Can It Handle NOS?

[99gamse]

In a 1999 G-Am Se w/ the 3.4 could i use Spray with out any damage to the motor/drivetrain??? If yes how much would be a safe shot 35hp??? Any one done it before??? Would you go WET or DRY???

[XenoWolf]

(Not meant as a flame, just a heads up because people will ***** till thier eyes turn blue about this..) NOS is a brand of nitrous. NOS isn't actually what your bottle is filled with :D

Might want to stick to calling it just 'nitrous' or 'spray', because calling it 'NOS' gets you some heat if the right people read it..

[pre_16365]

on the 3.4 you can run up to about a 50 shot safely. i wouldnt go anymore than that on a stock engine.

[jayhawk]

Originally posted by 99gamse
In a 1999 G-Am Se w/ the 3.4 could i use NOS with out any damage to the motor/drivetrain??? If yes how much would be a safe shot 35hp??? Any one done it before???

35 shot is very very safe...if you plan to go with Nitrous Oxide Systems brand, or any other brand...actually, there is a setup made by Nitrous Express thats comes with either a 35/50/75 shot nozzles!

Keep in mind, anything under 75 shot (dry or wet) is considered safe...as long as it is installed correctly. Proabaly less wear on the engine than a turbo or supercharger.

[MagusXIII]

You could probably run up to 75 shot safely if you took some simple precautions. First off, run only premium fuel. DO NOT be cheap and try to get away with 87 octane! The extra cost of premium fuel is miniscule compared to an engine rebuild or replacement.

ALso, do not run platinum plugs. Under a nitrous environment, the platinum is burnt up rather severely as the photo shows.

http://home.neo.rr.com/donaldjr/pix/burntplug.jpg

That was with half a bottle running a 50shot. Yet my standard plugs, NGK BCPR6EY-11 and Autolite 5143, are undamaged after several bottles at a 75shot.

Since you have an automatic transmission, you do not want to engage nitrous right as the transmission shifts. And a shift improver device, one that makes your shifts faster and firmer, would be a great help for running nitrous oxide.


Don

[grandizzle]

60 shots aer safe on 60degs

[Stephen's GA]

I would run a wet system becuase of the fact that most systems come with all the hardware to adjust fuel increases for you plus these system would be in a good low class spray. But if you want to go with extreme shots 120+ go dry.

And if your wondering the difference the wet sprays into your intake its a Nitrous + gas mix

Dry shoots directly into your combustion chamber and mixes with the gas in there basically one is already mixed and the other needs to be mixed LOL

[Madman]

Originally posted by MagusXIII
You could probably run up to 75 shot safely if you took some simple precautions. First off, run only premium fuel. DO NOT be cheap and try to get away with 87 octane! The extra cost of premium fuel is miniscule compared to an engine rebuild or replacement.

ALso, do not run platinum plugs. Under a nitrous environment, the platinum is burnt up rather severely as the photo shows.

http://home.neo.rr.com/donaldjr/pix/burntplug.jpg

That was with half a bottle running a 50shot. Yet my standard plugs, NGK BCPR6EY-11 and Autolite 5143, are undamaged after several bottles at a 75shot.

Since you have an automatic transmission, you do not want to engage nitrous right as the transmission shifts. And a shift improver device, one that makes your shifts faster and firmer, would be a great help for running nitrous oxide.


Don

thats good info

"I would run a wet system becuase of the fact that most systems come with all the hardware to adjust fuel increases for you plus these system would be in a good low class spray. But if you want to go with extreme shots 120+ go dry.

And if your wondering the difference the wet sprays into your intake its a Nitrous + gas mix

Dry shoots directly into your combustion chamber and mixes with the gas in there basically one is already mixed and the other needs to be mixed LOL


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thats good stuff to

[Frinkiac7]

Running a nitrous/octane injection system is VERY expensive. Consider paying $120/ injector.

[30thAnnGAGT]

Bro, save your money.

You're 18 and you're going to want to use it all the time.
I used a 75 shot on my 2000 and although it was quicker. I could have taken all the money that I invested into all of it and bought myself a supercharger. (and would have had the power ALL the time)

Breakdown is like this:

540 for a GM EFI Nitrous Works Kit
105 for a bottle warmer (helps keep the pressure up)
35 bucks for a bottle blanket (Keeps the heat in)
50 bucks for a Nitrous Pressure guage (Whether on the bottle or in the car.... you need one)
35 bucks for an Air/Fuel Guage.... (need to keep an eye on the mixture, so that you don't lean the car out)
70 bucks for a dyno session to get the proper jetting on the car (because Nitrous works is a bunch of idiots and can't give proper jetting sizes)
200 bucks on a progressive nitrous controller
80 bucks for a purge kit
and 60 bucks in extra 4an line to route it properly
Total: $1175.00

Fill ups.... and this is the killer. Here in Michigan a nitrous oxide is sold by the pound. 4.25 a pound...10 pound tank. You do the math..... that multiplied by about 100 fill ups, and I could have bought a supercharger! :)

Save the money, buy a supercharger.... you'll be happier in the long run :)

[MagusXIII]

Originally posted by 30thAnnGAGT
Bro, save your money.

You're 18 and you're going to want to use it all the time.
I used a 75 shot on my 2000 and although it was quicker. I could have taken all the money that I invested into all of it and bought myself a supercharger. (and would have had the power ALL the time)
Yeah, using nitrous does take discipline. There is a lot of temptation to spray. But...it is no different than forced induction. There will always be the temptation to boost. I was the same way when I got my driver's license and was free to drive my father's Omni GLH Turbo,,,back in 1985.

Also, not everybody wants constant boost. There are some of us happy with on-demand power.

Breakdown is like this:

540 for a GM EFI Nitrous Works Kit
105 for a bottle warmer (helps keep the pressure up)
35 bucks for a bottle blanket (Keeps the heat in)
50 bucks for a Nitrous Pressure guage (Whether on the bottle or in the car.... you need one)
35 bucks for an Air/Fuel Guage.... (need to keep an eye on the mixture, so that you don't lean the car out)
70 bucks for a dyno session to get the proper jetting on the car (because Nitrous works is a bunch of idiots and can't give proper jetting sizes)
200 bucks on a progressive nitrous controller
80 bucks for a purge kit
and 60 bucks in extra 4an line to route it properly
Total: $1175.00
Unless you are a hard core drag racer, I would not waste the money on the progressive controller. Purge valves are nice and I do plan on one eventually. But a quick blip of the throttle in the stage lanes will be a substitute in a pinch.

Fill ups.... and this is the killer. Here in Michigan a nitrous oxide is sold by the pound. 4.25 a pound...10 pound tank. You do the math..... that multiplied by about 100 fill ups, and I could have bought a supercharger! :)

Save the money, buy a supercharger.... you'll be happier in the long run :)
Damn Adam! 100 bottles? I will use 5 bottles a season!!! So it will take me 20 years to use your 100 bottles!!!! I will be 54 by the time I use 100 bottles! :lol:


Don

[TA^Guy]

Well Don pretty much stated everything I wanted to say.

But I'd like to comment that a 35hp shot would be a total waste of money IMO. I would run a 35hp shot on my 4 banger in my motorcycle to add about 1/3 more power. On a 3000+ pound car it won't show that much difference, you'd be better off with a cat-back exhaust and cold air set up

[30thAnnGAGT]

Originally posted by MagusXIII

Damn Adam! 100 bottles? I will use 5 bottles a season!!! So it will take me 20 years to use your 100 bottles!!!! I will be 54 by the time I use 100 bottles! :lol:

Don

I wasn't "disciplined" :) I spent more on nitrous in a year and a half then I did on gas :D

I even left out that I had to buy a second bottle because of the usage it got. Tack on another 180 :) I was told by the guy at the shop that refills it, that a bottle under normal wear and tear lasts about 4 years. Apparently my didn't fall into that category :)

The progressive nitrous controller was used because of "surges" that I was getting. I'm not sure how to describe it other than it felt as though there were air in the lines. The controller really helped that out.

[Stephen's GA]

"disciplined" thats prob the most important issue i remeber my first setup i was out spraying on every car i raced hell i would even spray from stop light to stop light even if i wasnt racing. LOL

But now i rarely use it but i depend on it becuase you always have that extra little hp waiting to be released and plus a purge valve or valves are a huge intimidator i love to purge out my R/A hood vents looks mean as hell.

[CopMagnet5oh]

first, nitrous doesnt damage your engine, its when u dont have enough fuel to go with it or timing too advanced.

make sure you have good injectors and fuel pump.

get a window switch.

use good gas, cold spark plugs and timing retard.

when use niotrous for the first time, take out all aprk plugs and inspect them, dont take out just one, take all of them out.

get a fuel pressure regulator and a guage.

u dont need purge kit, because it can be done manually before race.

[CopMagnet5oh]

also, if i were you i would go with a wet kit jettet for at least 50 hp.

i dunno how much abuse your pistons can take but 50 shot should be enough for street.

[smoove99gase]

Originally posted by 30thAnnGAGT
Bro, save your money.

You're 18 and you're going to want to use it all the time.
I used a 75 shot on my 2000 and although it was quicker. I could have taken all the money that I invested into all of it and bought myself a supercharger. (and would have had the power ALL the time)

Breakdown is like this:

540 for a GM EFI Nitrous Works Kit
105 for a bottle warmer (helps keep the pressure up)
35 bucks for a bottle blanket (Keeps the heat in)
50 bucks for a Nitrous Pressure guage (Whether on the bottle or in the car.... you need one)
35 bucks for an Air/Fuel Guage.... (need to keep an eye on the mixture, so that you don't lean the car out)
70 bucks for a dyno session to get the proper jetting on the car (because Nitrous works is a bunch of idiots and can't give proper jetting sizes)
200 bucks on a progressive nitrous controller
80 bucks for a purge kit
and 60 bucks in extra 4an line to route it properly
Total: $1175.00

Fill ups.... and this is the killer. Here in Michigan a nitrous oxide is sold by the pound. 4.25 a pound...10 pound tank. You do the math..... that multiplied by about 100 fill ups, and I could have bought a supercharger! :)

Save the money, buy a supercharger.... you'll be happier in the long run :)


I got Nitrous. 75 shot. and I pay only 2.85 per pound for mine at Michigan Powersports in Clio MI. ANYONE dumb enough to by a Nitrous refill at Scamchargers is NUTZ!!

[96gtcoupe]

What kind and type of shot can be run on a 96gagt?