Question about some intakes

[Xidion]

I found a cold air intake for the 99GA SE 2.4L and they dont have stats on it its an Induction Dynamics one does any one know if its good and how much HP it adds?
And Should i go with that sense its cold air or RSM Racing Warm air is what it looks like ?

[Xidion]

And whats a great type of exaust system so i dont sound like a ricer? that fits a 99 2.4L, Want to go from single to dual and get great performance and sound.

[jayhawk]

Boy...you know, you never see the HP rating for this stuff for the 2.4's. I would say at the most 9-10HP at the wheels, though that may be dependent to what you will do on the exhaust side of things.

The best kind of exhaust is the custom made. Go with 2 1/4 pipe, have the pipe custom bent so to remove the resonator, and get virtually ANYTHING but chrome fart cans. I have a Dynomax Super Turbo on my car, and its getting better with age. Very deep. The sound is also dictated by the exhaust tip. I have a 3" rolled tip, and it sound ricy when the engine is cold and I get on it, but after the car is warmed up, it has a great 4 cylinder sound.

[Xidion]

nie man, you should email me with like that stuff and how i should go about doing it.
Guitar_for_life_@hotmail.com

[Aaron]

Not to sound like an ass, but please please please use the search button, the amount of times this post shows up per day is getting a little out of hand.

Admin, I once again propose a sticky.

[Xidion]

not to be an ass
but you dont have to read the post's and i did search and they were about the civic one, i simply asked if any one knew the HP ratings. But hey, i guess some people cant under stand that and expect 2 posts that have the same title to have the same question and answers

And agin i thank the admin for answering my question.

[56chev]

Originally posted by jayhawk
I would say at the most 9-10HP at the wheels, though that may be dependent to what you will do on the exhaust side of things.

9-10 from an intake? youd maybe get 10 from full CAI, highflow cat/muffler, no resinator, and 2 1/4" tailpipe

[Aaron]

Originally posted by Xidion
not to be an ass
but you dont have to read the post's and i did search and they were about the civic one, i simply asked if any one knew the HP ratings. But hey, i guess some people cant under stand that and expect 2 posts that have the same title to have the same question and answers

And agin i thank the admin for answering my question.

But I do need to read the posts, I read just about every post on this board, because I've learned over time that the subject line usually is not a good indicator to what the post contains. Granted a lot of them are pretty straight forward like this one. A sticky will be up very soon with every common question asked in this forum.

It just has gotten to the point where this question is asked (with a little variation) almost every day. So this sticky should help to curb that.

[Old Guy]

Originally posted by Aaron
But I do need to read the posts, I read just about every post on this board, because I've learned over time that the subject line usually is not a good indicator to what the post contains. Granted a lot of them are pretty straight forward like this one. A sticky will be up very soon with every common question asked in this forum.

It just has gotten to the point where this question is asked (with a little variation) almost every day. So this sticky should help to curb that.

Here's a new sticky about intakes that I'm working on.
http://www.gaownersclub.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=17256

[Aaron]

If you want, I'll take care of all the manufacturer information... a list of a bunch of manufacturers of exhaust and cai.

I think it should be expanded to include exhaust, do you agree? I dont think it necessitates an entire FAQ though, just a link to some manufacturers.

[Xidion]

nah i have seen some CAI that give about 10hp gain.

[Xidion]

And Alero speed and RSM dont make cold air intakes for the 2.4L
look at them there in in the bay thats a warm air

[Xidion]

http://www.induction-dynamics.com/sunfirecavaliergrandamalero24l.html

i havent seen any one talk about this one yet onlu cold air i have seen for the 2.4

[Old Guy]

Originally posted by Xidion
http://www.induction-dynamics.com/sunfirecavaliergrandamalero24l.html

i havent seen any one talk about this one yet onlu cold air i have seen for the 2.4

Post that here http://www.gaownersclub.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=17260

so he can add it...

Thanx!!!

[56chev]

Originally posted by Xidion
nah i have seen some CAI that give about 10hp gain.

your going to have to show me a video of you going to the dealer, buying a car, going to a dynometer, putting on your magical intake and dynoing it before and after to prove 10 hp from a fawking intake

:bs:

[Old Guy]

Originally posted by 56chev
your going to have to show me a video of you going to the dealer, buying a car, going to a dynometer, putting on your magical intake and dynoing it before and after to prove 10 hp from a fawking intake

:bs:

Well.......you can believe what you want, but When High Performance Pontiac (Dec '03) did a combination CAI and Exhaust and dynoed before and after, they came up with a before of 141whp (stock) and after 158whp on a GA with a 3400 engine.
That's WHP not at the crank. Now 17 HP at the wheels is a pretty substantial gain, and we both know that it didn't come from the exhaust alone.


The HP gain at the crank would be even higher, so a gain of 10 Hp isn't out of line at all.

[56chev]

Originally posted by Old Guy
Well.......you can believe what you want, but When High Performance Pontiac (Dec '03) did a combination CAI and Exhaust and dynoed before and after, they came up with a before of 141whp (stock) and after 158whp on a GA with a 3400 engine.
That's WHP not at the crank. Now 17 HP at the wheels is a pretty substantial gain, and we both know that it didn't come from the exhaust alone.


The HP gain at the crank would be even higher, so a gain of 10 Hp isn't out of line at all.

thatts a good gain, but isnt the stock intake of the 3400 suckier than a 2.4?

And you need to do exhaust with an intake to get best results.

And define CAI and "exhaust" were they full on muffler in the fender heat proof exhausts with stans headers/highflow cat/ no restrictor/2 1/4" mandrel bent tubing the whole way with a magnaflow muffler

or were they a ractive heatsheild filter and a muffler?

[Old Guy]

Actually it was an SLP bolt on cat back exhaust which is 2 1/2" back to a camaro style dual outlet muffler. The Cold Air Intake was an APOC, which is exactly the same as everyone else is selling. Basically a 3" tube going into the fender well with a 5" K&N cone filter on it.

The thing that's really bad on all GA's is the plastic crap that's in the fender well. IMHO it's not really correct to call it a "gain"....it's just getting back the HP that was there before Pontiac decided to restrict it.

I would just guess that the gain on a 2.4 would be about 8 HP considering the increase is about 6 to 8% of the stock HP.

[56chev]

Originally posted by Old Guy
The thing that's really bad on all GA's is the plastic crap that's in the fender well. IMHO it's not really correct to call it a "gain"....it's just getting back the HP that was there before Pontiac decided to restrict it.


yeeup



You guys can claim all you want on the HP gains you want, but Im not going to be a believer untill i see some dyno runs, or a magazine article.

But hey, im not important, so you dont need to make me a believer :D:D:D:D

:angel2: :angel1:

:D

[jayhawk]

Originally posted by 56chev
9-10 from an intake? youd maybe get 10 from full CAI, highflow cat/muffler, no resinator, and 2 1/4" tailpipe

Right. Thats why I said it may dependant on the exhaust side of the engine. If you put on a CAI and do nothing to the exhaust, it would negate the performance of the CAI. Kinda like balancing the piston rods and pistons but leavining the crank alone.

[Old Guy]

Originally posted by 56chev

You guys can claim all you want on the HP gains you want, but Im not going to be a believer untill i see some dyno runs, or a magazine article.

But hey, im not important, so you dont need to make me a believer :D:D:D:D

:angel2: :angel1:

:D

:lol: I used to be exactly like you as far as a CAI was concerned. I've been drag racing since 1968 and have bare blocked more engines than I care to think about, so when I heard about a piece of tubing that would give you an 8 to 12 Hp increase I didn't believe it either. But after doing the research and actually putting one on myself I changed my tune.

It's actually not so hard to believe when you really think about it. Performance is pretty simple....the more and colder air you can get into an engine the better the combustion. A stock GA with a 3400 will run about 16.0 secs in the quarter around here.

I ran in the 15.9s bone stock and did so consistantly for about a month. After the CAI and exhaust I run consistant 15.5s to 15.7s so the HP had to come from somewhere.

To be honest, enough guys have proven it works, and have faster cars because of it, so you can choose to believe it or not.

Hell....if at my age I can keep an open mind, anyone can! :D

[TimG]

I just talked to my dad about getting a Cold Air Intake for my car, and being a Mechanic himself, he said that bringing in cooler air isn't good for the fuel, and that it will run like shit in the winter. Is this true?

[56chev]

Originally posted by Old Guy
:lol: I used to be exactly like you as far as a CAI was concerned. I've been drag racing since 1968 and have bare blocked more engines than I care to think about, so when I heard about a piece of tubing that would give you an 8 to 12 Hp increase I didn't believe it either. But after doing the research and actually putting one on myself I changed my tune.

It's actually not so hard to believe when you really think about it. Performance is pretty simple....the more and colder air you can get into an engine the better the combustion. A stock GA with a 3400 will run about 16.0 secs in the quarter around here.

I ran in the 15.9s bone stock and did so consistantly for about a month. After the CAI and exhaust I run consistant 15.5s to 15.7s so the HP had to come from somewhere.

To be honest, enough guys have proven it works, and have faster cars because of it, so you can choose to believe it or not.

Hell....if at my age I can keep an open mind, anyone can! :D

I dont doubt they dont give hp, and id bet 10HP for a full CAI and catback exhaust, but not much more.

[Old Guy]

Originally posted by sickness
I just talked to my dad about getting a Cold Air Intake for my car, and being a Mechanic himself, he said that bringing in cooler air isn't good for the fuel, and that it will run like shit in the winter. Is this true?

He's right.....if the temp really drops. You'd be okay until it gets really cold, but then it'll use a lot more fuel and probably run rough.

I throw my stock box back in for the winter for that reason and so I don't get water in my intake if it get's slushy.

[TimG]

Damn. I was hopeing he'd be wrong. There goes any chance of getting a CAI....

[56chev]

Originally posted by Old Guy
He's right.....if the temp really drops. You'd be okay until it gets really cold, but then it'll use a lot more fuel and probably run rough.

I throw my stock box back in for the winter for that reason and so I don't get water in my intake if it get's slushy.

Why would adding more air add more fuel? Do 3400s have a computer that richens up the a/f ratio when more dense air is added?

And plus, that would be GOOD for performance, bad for mileage, but good for performance none the less.

It is GOOD to run a cai in cold air, the air is more dense (thats what nitrous does) giving more HP

Hence the COLD air intake name (better than warm air)

[56chev]

Originally posted by sickness
I just talked to my dad about getting a Cold Air Intake for my car, and being a Mechanic himself, he said that bringing in cooler air isn't good for the fuel, and that it will run like shit in the winter. Is this true?

Cold air is good to mix with fuel, it makes for more power

Thats why CAIs provide more HP than WAIs

[56chev]

Originally posted by sickness
Damn. I was hopeing he'd be wrong. There goes any chance of getting a CAI....

Dont let that deter you, my buddy put CAI on his 2.4, and we live in Colorado, the only thing it did was help it pick up performance

[TimG]

He asked me why I wanted more HP, and I told him because I wanted to go faster. He asked why I wanted to go faster, I could only go as fast as the speed limit. I made some bullshit comeback, told him I wanted to get to the speed limit faster. I don't think a CAI helps accelation tho.

[TimG]

Originally posted by 56chev
Dont let that deter you, my buddy put CAI on his 2.4, and we live in Colorado, the only thing it did was help it pick up performance

Well that's good news. I'll just have to buy one on my own, and possibly have one of my friends install it, who knows a lot of about cars. Then, hopefully, he won't notice the CAI in there.

[56chev]

Originally posted by sickness
He asked me why I wanted more HP, and I told him because I wanted to go faster. He asked why I wanted to go faster, I could only go as fast as the speed limit. I made some bullshit comeback, told him I wanted to get to the speed limit faster. I don't think a CAI helps accelation tho.

:laugh:

Thats damn funny, wasnt he ever a kid? We all know he wanted more speed when he was a kid :D

And yes, cais do help acceleration. My buddies 1/4 mile time went down a tenth with it.

[56chev]

Originally posted by sickness
Well that's good news. I'll just have to buy one on my own, and possibly have one of my friends install it, who knows a lot of about cars. Then, hopefully, he won't notice the CAI in there.

LOL!

Why is he looking at your motor ne ways? :D

They arent hard to install, dont have to know much about cars, and they come with instructions

When I was 15/16 I was making custom intakes for me and my buddies cars, and we didnt know sh!t (all though we thought we did :D)

Good for you man, go for it!

[Old Guy]

Originally posted by 56chev
Why would adding more air add more fuel? Do 3400s have a computer that richens up the a/f ratio when more dense air is added?

And plus, that would be GOOD for performance, bad for mileage, but good for performance none the less.

It is GOOD to run a cai in cold air, the air is more dense (thats what nitrous does) giving more HP

Hence the COLD air intake name (better than warm air)

The GA has an IAT sensor on it that adjusts the A/F ratio so in the cold weather you use more fuel. Now the car will run better in colder weather, but if it drops way down it actually hurts the performance because you reach the limitations of the PCM and it can no longer adjust the A/F ratio. By having the air intake in the fender the air never gets a chance to warm up before it hits the sensor so it throws off the curve.

The real downside to running it in the winter is the chance of drawing too much moisture into the intake from the slush that we get here in the Mid-West. Look at the junk that collects by your fog light in the winter and tell me if you want all of that stuff hitting your filter.

[56chev]

Originally posted by Old Guy
The GA has an AIT sensor on it that adjusts the A/F ratio so in the cold weather you use more fuel. Now the car will run better in colder weather, but if it drops way down it actually hurts the performance because you reach the limitations of the PCM and it can no longer adjust the A/F ratio. By having the air intake in the fender the air never gets a chance to warm up before it hits the sensor so it throws off the curve.

The real downside to running it in the winter is the chance of drawing too much moisture into the intake from the slush that we get here in the Mid-West. Look at the junk that collects by your fog light in the winter and tell me if you want all of that stuff hitting your filter.

It would have to be way cool for it to reach the limitations, I live in CO, one of the coldest states, and the only thing its ever done to performance is increase it.

Thats why people relocate their iats to the front bumper (next mod on my buddies list)

You dont want the air to warm up, the colder the better, again, hence the COLD air intake name.

I do agree on the moister thing, could screw you if too much sh!t gets into the filter (water, snow, etc)

I also cant remember if the IAT is in the intake tube or the manifold, tube i think, but that doesnt make sense for some reason

oh and ps, its IAT :P

[Old Guy]

Originally posted by 56chev


oh and ps, its IAT :P

Typing dexlexia... :lol:

[TimG]

Originally posted by 56chev
LOL!

Why is he looking at your motor ne ways? :D

They arent hard to install, dont have to know much about cars, and they come with instructions

When I was 15/16 I was making custom intakes for me and my buddies cars, and we didnt know sh!t (all though we thought we did :D)

Good for you man, go for it!

I dunno. He fools around under there sometimes, making sure I accually check the oil every week. And I know he liked driving fast when he was a kid. He had some muscle car back then. I remember him telling me. He had to of been goin fast in that.

[56chev]

Originally posted by Old Guy
Typing dexlexia... :lol:

:D Simantics own me :D

[56chev]

Originally posted by sickness
I dunno. He fools around under there sometimes, making sure I accually check the oil every week. And I know he liked driving fast when he was a kid. He had some muscle car back then. I remember him telling me. He had to of been goin fast in that.

lol, you said it man

My dad is like that too "why would you need to go faster" or "why would you need to 4wheel better?"

Just do it, its not like hes going to kick you out of the house or anything

:angel1: :D

[TimG]

Yeah. He could stop paying for insurence though, heh. Oh well. When I get some money, I'm going to order one from the Induction Dynamics site, I think that's what it's called.

[56chev]

Originally posted by sickness
Yeah. He could stop paying for insurence though, heh. Oh well. When I get some money, I'm going to order one from the Induction Dynamics site, I think that's what it's called.

lol, I hear yah

yeeup, induction dynamics makes a good intake