Dirt Cheap Custom CAI for 3x00!

[grandizzle]

*These directions were not written by me, as i dont bother with modding the V6 cause i have a 4


Ok this is what you need if youre going to do it my way, I dont even know how many intakes could work on our cars, but I at least know Integra CAIs, and 92-96 Prelude's work. The thing i wanted was a *3* inch!! tube. I dont really know if 3 inch is neccesary but...i thought the bigger the better, it seemed most of the good ones were 3 inch when i was looking so..thats what i got

see look how good i am to everybody i even got a link..Prelude CAI

That is the exact same one i got, from the same company too, this one just has red accents..yuck, mine were blue. In addition to that kit, all you need is 1 more coupler, or like half of a coupler..

Cutting: Theres no way for me to tell you EXACTLY how to cut these pipes, but you know they work, and if you look on the attatchment, the places with white lines are the cuts and they are PRETTY close to where you will need to cut. Just take some time and eye everything up really good and take some measurments, anything to help you get it right the first time.
I wouldnt just cut away, try to put the pipes where they need to go and measure from there with a crayon or other marker type thing.

Piece #1 is what goes down into the fenderwell from the MAF. If you try to use the whole pipe its way too long, it needs to be cut a few inches back on the strait end, just make sure you leave enough room the filter to fit on the end of it. Itll be a tight fit, (on mine..tight...but perfect fitting). Piece #2 is what goes from the Throttle Body to the MAF, and this is the hardest part to make because one of the cuts is NOT at 90degrees, it needs to be angled if you want everything to fit properly, since the TB sits at an angle. Once again the pic gives you a good idea of where i cut on both ends to get the right piece, the angle will be somewhere between the two white lines at the top of piece #2

INStall: All you need to do is move the battery out of the way, and rip out the stock intake CRAP, the hole you see below the stock intake needs to be enlarged a bit. BIG Pliers will work fine but DAMn do i wish i had a sawzall or a jackhammer... So enlarge that any way you can, then make sure the sides are relatively smooth so you dont screw up your new pipe.

With this kit you need to reuse all of the stock clamps or fasteners, all you need like i said is 1 more coupler.

I did this cutting in two days, i made piece 1 first and rode like that before doing piece 2 the next day, it wasnt a LOT of work but it can be time consuming.

Make sure you take the IAT sensor off the stock box ( BE CAREFULL) and you can either place it next to the pipe like me, or drill a hole for it to fit inside.

There is also a breather hose that needs to be taken care of, the stock one had it in the pipe, so i drilled a hole and put it in there, but i dont think it NEEDS to be in the intake...so i could be wrong

I used the coupler I bought extra for the Pre MAF connector, if ur putting the breather hose in the pipe the only place it fits is right near that area, so the coupler needs to be kinda small so watch out you dont ruin it

I mean thats pretty much it is the cutting part...
but heres some TIPS:

After you enlarge the whole you might want to put some foam or cable insulation thingies around the hole so that the pipe fits snugly and it wont keep scratching if it moves alot.

The TB- MAF cut is really crucial bc its what determines if your battery will fit in the same place, so be carefull there.




total time for me was like 3/4 hrs
good luck...

http://images.cardomain.com/member_images/5/web/425000-425999/425937_5_full.jpg

[Old Guy]

Originally posted by grandizzle
Make sure you take the IAT sensor off the stock box ( BE CAREFULL) and you can either place it next to the pipe like me, or drill a hole for it to fit inside.

There is also a breather hose that needs to be taken care of, the stock one had it in the pipe, so i drilled a hole and put it in there, but i dont think it NEEDS to be in the intake...so i could be wrong



Good job, except:

The IAT sensor has to be in the tubing so you do need to cut a hole in it or a couple. Having it sitting in the open in the engine bay will make it sense that the incoming air is hot and make the engine run lean.

The breather hose does not need to be reconnected and can just sit in the engine bay. It's actually some sort of "re-circulator" for unburned fumes as far as I can tell.

[grandizzle]

Originally posted by Old Guy
Good job, except:

The IAT sensor has to be in the tubing so you do need to cut a hole in it or a couple. Having it sitting in the open in the engine bay will make it sense that the incoming air is hot and make the engine run lean.

The breather hose does not need to be reconnected and can just sit in the engine bay. It's actually some sort of "re-circulator" for unburned fumes as far as I can tell.

read the first line of my post ;)

actually hte IAT doesnt have to be in the tube but if it isnt it would just read extremely hot temps, which wouldnt be GOOD but it doesnt HAVE to be in the tube. :P

[Old Guy]

Originally posted by grandizzle
read the first line of my post ;)

actually hte IAT doesnt have to be in the tube but if it isnt it would just read extremely hot temps, which wouldnt be GOOD but it doesnt HAVE to be in the tube. :P

I know you didn't write the instructions..........


but I guess you're right, it doesn't have to be in the tube.....but that's kinda like saying you can leave a spark plug wire off. The car will still run, just not very good.. :lol:

[Johntheman]

dude what the hell is wrong with you! you jacked those of my cardomain site!!
I dont mind telling people about them but at least you could gimme some credit instead of saying "by someone else"
come on

how about some credit for the instructions?
-JOHN

[Johntheman]

oh my site: Johns Pontiac caromdain (http://www.cardomain.com/memberpage/425937/3)

[grandizzle]

sorry

^ he wrote them.

[99GrandAMSE]

Originally posted by grandizzle
sorry

^ he wrote them.

HAHAHA :D

[30thAnnGAGT]

Originally posted by Old Guy

The IAT sensor has to be in the tubing so you do need to cut a hole in it or a couple. Having it sitting in the open in the engine bay will make it sense that the incoming air is hot and make the engine run lean.

Great Point. You can use a resistor at 3.3k ohms to allow for the computer to read a "cold temp".... this is not advised though.

Originally posted by Old Guy
The breather hose does not need to be reconnected and can just sit in the engine bay. It's actually some sort of "re-circulator" for unburned fumes as far as I can tell.

Tom..... Good Guess!! You win a cookie!! :D

[Johntheman]

unburned fumes as in gasoline fumes, those things that pollute the atmosphere? I didnt want to make my car pollute the air anymore, so I would advise placing it inside the tube

and the IAT doesnt need to be inside the pipe, my cars worked fine for a thousand miles, in my book, if the IAT is making the car run a tad lean, thats a plus, lean=usually more power

[Old Guy]

Originally posted by Johntheman
unburned fumes as in gasoline fumes, those things that pollute the atmosphere? I didnt want to make my car pollute the air anymore, so I would advise placing it inside the tube

and the IAT doesnt need to be inside the pipe, my cars worked fine for a thousand miles, in my book, if the IAT is making the car run a tad lean, thats a plus, lean=usually more power

Lean = usually more power??? The reasoning behind the resistor mod is to fool the sensor so the engine runs richer. The 3400 runs a little on the lean side for fuel economy ot performance. Actualyy you want the A/F mixture lean at lower RPMs, stoich at mid levels and a little rich at higher RPMs which will not happen is you fool the sensor. Besides, after a few thousand miles the PCM adjusts to it and you gain nothing.

As far as putting unburned fumes back into the atmosphere....take a look inside your throtle body and look at the residue that collects in there. That's all coming from the recirculating tube.

Don't try to fool the sensors....they work on the same principle as any other computer. Garbage in.....garbage out! The answer is better sensors such as a recalibrated MAF.

[Johntheman]

Lean = usually more power???
yes it does for the most part, thats why people end up detonating their motors becuase they tried to run crazy lean for more power. And yes running rich is BAD for performance, and who was even talking about a resistor mod? but since were talkin about it yes, a resistor mod would cause your car to run RICH which is bad for performance, the only thing it will do it solve detonation probs for forced induction.

this has been discussed so many times its not funny so i dont know why we even are right now...

but the IAT does NOT need to be in the pipe, and no having it outside the pipe will not cause your car to run extremely lean, case and point i live in GA, driving in 100degree weather my car runs fine on 87 octane going up hills in OD, so id say this is quite safe

and yes i have looked inside my TB, no there isnt any buildup there at all, i guess i got a good 3100 my egr's never seen buildup before

id rather do my part to keep the air clean instead of making sure my TB is clean.

[Johntheman]

The 3400 runs a little on the lean side for fuel economy ot performance

so...your saying that the 3X00 runs lean just for economy and not performance? ...so if lean is just for economy ....what would be good for performance ...RICH?
lol

[Old Guy]

I think you're entirely missing the boat with what the sensor does. I'll try to explain it as best I can.

Some common air/fuel ratio misconceptions:

1) Running an extremely rich air/fuel ratio creates more power.

This is a good one for novices, who think that you need to burn every last bit of air going into an engine. Actually, an engine spits out most of the air it ingests, as the ignition cycle for a particular cylinder is far too small and short to effectively utilize the entire air mixture. When high-power turbo cars or N/A (naturally aspirated) cars run extremely rich mixtures, it is to keep cylinder temperatures down. Frequently, cars gain power as they run more optimized air/fuel ratios, typically slightly richer than stoichiometric. In addition, rich mixtures can wear out sensors, waste gas, and clog your catalytic converter. If it were true that more gas equalled more power in all cases, race cars would simply dump fuel directly into the ports instead of worrying about metering. Tuning is key. Dumping more fuel in just results in the need for more spark. ( this is the reason behind not running the resistor mod)

2) Going lean creates an 'instant detonation' condition.

Again, in the case of street engines, this just isn't true. Manufacturers try to keep engines running as lean as possible as often as they can in order to improve emissions, mileage and power. Thus they build in significant safety margins. Detonation isn't actually caused by a lean condition; it is a result of a lean condition. Gasoline actually acts as a suppressor to the ignition event (ever hear people say "With that much fuel you need more spark"?). Leaning out under hard throttle causes temperatures to rise, which causes lean mixtures to to pre-ignite, but they don't cause preignition. The temperatures do. You do want to run slightly rich at WOT.

So basically all I'm trying to say say is...don't fool the sensors either by leaving it out of the tube to run lean, or by making it think the air is colder so you'll run richer.

I've run numerous dyno tests over the years, have well over 1000 miles in at the track and have built engines ranging from 426 Hemi's to 6 bangers.... tuning is the key. One of the cheapest and most useful mods you can do is putting in an A/F ratio gauge and watch it. It should be lean at idle, stioch when cruising and "slightly" rich at WOT.

Here's the dyno test of my car when I had my Pro M MAF calibrated. The purple is the stock MAF and the green is the Pro M. Notice the detonation that resulted from a too lean condition when running the stock MAF with a CAI. The green illustrates the optimum A/F ratio I described previously

http://www.bright.net/~medinatech/dyno.jpg

[Johntheman]

how do you tell detonation from a hp graph? and how come the stock MAF/CAI spikes so much? or is that how you tell?

If someone can prove that leaving the IAt out of the tuve is hurting my car or performance then im going to put it back in, but i still dont see the proof

theres nothing to say that even leaving the IAT out of the tube causes the car to run crazy lean and hurt the motor/perfor/econ/etc

all I'M trying to say is that leaving the IAT out of the pipe isnt BAD and wont kill your car or give you any problems at all. I can attest to that fact. I didnt leave the IAT out to modify my F/A mix, that was a temporary spot that never got moved. And i gaurentee that if anyone else leaves it in the engine bay at least near the filter then they wont have any problems at all. Its that simple

and Ok i think we all get that Rich does not equal more power for like the 9th time, thanks tho

[Johntheman]

lol dude, INTAKE AIR TEMPERATURE sensor, im not missing the boat on what the sensor does.
used in conjunction with other sensors to modify how much gas gets dumped in the chambers


and you pretty much just backup up what i had said

Manufacturers try to keep engines running as lean as possible as often as they can in order to improve emissions, mileage and power



yes it does for the most part, thats why people end up detonating their motors becuase they tried to run crazy lean for more power.

[Old Guy]

Originally posted by Johntheman
how do you tell detonation from a hp graph? and how come the stock MAF/CAI spikes so much? or is that how you tell?



The spiking is detonation. The reason it spikes it that it's not cold air calibrated. It's calibrated for the stock airbox not a CAI.

If you want to prove that leaving it out of the tube is okay....just go to the track and run it both ways. You'll figure it out.

But you need to read it all...not just the parts that qualify what you said.

[Johntheman]

So how come my car doesnt detonate when im flooring it on the street????????????I have a stock MAF and CAI
Street/Track= same thing, my car isnt detonating and alot of times i run just as hard on the street as i would at a track

[Old Guy]

Detonation is not something you can always feel......but it will cause damage none the less.

[Johntheman]

the 3100 must be really strong, a thousand miles of detonation and its still running like new =]

[grandizzle]

Originally posted by Johntheman
the 3100 must be really strong, a thousand miles of detonation and its still running like new =]

yep and turbo/IC'ed 3400s too......

[Old Guy]

I didn't feel any detonation either and was pretty shocked when I saw the results of the dyno. I trimmed off better than .20 seconds off of my times at the strip with the addition of the new MAF without a "real" gain in HP. Some modifications may not increase HP but you see an increase in overall performance non the less.

Originally posted by Johntheman
the 3100 must be really strong, a thousand miles of detonation and its still running like new =]

I ran mine with the stock MAF for well over 1000 miles.


That comment is kind of like the guy who smokes that says....."been smoking for 10 years and I feel great!!" Then a few years later he ends up dead!!

[Johntheman]

no im just saying, of all the people who have put a CAI on their car, not yet have i heard of detonation harming the engine

[Old Guy]

Actually when you think about it though, there are quite a few problems that seem to occur with these engines so who's to know if that could be a contributing factor. When I did the reprogrammed MAF with Pro M I had no idea that the detonation was there.......the intent was to get a properly calibrated MAF that was the same diameter as the intake. Finding the detonation was just incidental. Let's face it...modifiying the Pontaic V6, whether it be a 3100, 3300 or 3400 is not the easiest thing to do since there are not a ton of aftermarket parts available.

The whole purpose of modifying is to get it to perform better.....and that means "complete" tuning ....so if detonation exists you attempt to solve the problem.

[Themeneea]

i have a CAI, so were can i buy a Pro M MAF?
now im worryed, should i take it off? would a high ocatne help with the detenation?

[Old Guy]

Originally posted by Themeneea
i have a CAI, so were can i buy a Pro M MAF?
now im worryed, should i take it off? would a high ocatne help with the detenation?


I wouldn't get crazy over this.....the detonation is not horrible but it is there and over time "may" cause some damage.

Here's the review I did on Pro M so all of the info is there.

http://www.gaownersclub.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=10136&highlight=pro+m

The tech that I have been working with is Damien. If you have any questions you can either call him at (248) 541-4780 or his email is Dfron@pro-flow.com.

[grandizzle]

Originally posted by Old Guy
I wouldn't get crazy over this.....the detonation is not horrible but it is there and over time "may" cause some damage.

Here's the review I did on Pro M so all of the info is there.

http://www.gaownersclub.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=10136&highlight=pro+m

The tech that I have been working with is Damien. If you have any questions you can either call him at (248) 541-4780 or his email is Dfron@pro-flow.com.

Ya know, just because you get proven wrong doesnt mean you have to fear everyone knowing you dont know as much about engines as you liek to think, so you might want ot quit deleting posts that are in no way inappropriate and realy disprove your litlte theories that arnet backed by any fact. I mean bob said everything in a nice plain manner and you deleted it for no reason

though im sure this will get deleted too.

[99GrandAMSE]

Originally posted by grandizzle
Ya know, just because you get proven wrong doesnt mean you have to fear everyone knowing you dont know as much about engines as you liek to think ...

I don't believe anyone has been proven wrong :wink4: and for the record, there is almost no one that I would trust 'any more' than Tom when it comes to tweaking engines or CAI details ... there is something to be said for 30+ years of experience :D

[Old Guy]

Originally posted by grandizzle
Ya know, just because you get proven wrong doesnt mean you have to fear everyone knowing you dont know as much about engines as you liek to think, so you might want ot quit deleting posts that are in no way inappropriate and realy disprove your litlte theories that arnet backed by any fact. I mean bob said everything in a nice plain manner and you deleted it for no reason

though im sure this will get deleted too.


Other than you saying I'm wrong....I've seen no proof from you. Give me and everyone else here some facts to back up what you're saying. You just saying you did it means nothing.

Your post that got deleted had nothing to do with the topic, but has everything to do with attitude.

[99GrandAMSE]

Originally posted by grandizzle
... though im sure this will get deleted too.

... despite what you may think, we tend not to delete posts unless absolutely necessary :)

[v6granddammit]

just end all the insanity and buy v8 like i just did now wifey has the V6 grand am and i have a ws6 firebird 6spd wooohooo!!!!by by v6 ers lol!!!

[99GrandAMSE]

Originally posted by v6granddammit
... i have a ws6 firebird 6spd wooohooo!!!!by by v6 ers lol!!!

Congrats :) ... if I couldn't catch you with my Grand AM ... I'd catch you with my 'Firebird' :lol: ... be sure to post a few pics bud :)

[Old Guy]

Originally posted by v6granddammit
just end all the insanity and buy v8 like i just did now wifey has the V6 grand am and i have a ws6 firebird 6spd wooohooo!!!!by by v6 ers lol!!!

WS6....Great car!! Like Kelly said post up some pics.....I usually just see them from behind! :lol:

[v6granddammit]

i just realized that i sounded a little flamboyent on my last post ......im sorry ....i just never owned a v6 till the grand am ......and well quite frankly it was fast for a 4 door but not quite as fast as this firebird .......:) pictures up as soon as christmas hits wife should be getting me a new megapixel digi cam for xmas so.....if i offended and sounded rude i am sorry:)

[99GrandAMSE]

Originally posted by v6granddammit
i just realized that i sounded a little flamboyent on my last post ......im sorry ....i just never owned a v6 till the grand am ......and well quite frankly it was fast for a 4 door but not quite as fast as this firebird .......:) pictures up as soon as christmas hits wife should be getting me a new megapixel digi cam for xmas so.....if i offended and sounded rude i am sorry:)

No apologies needed as I guessed you were just excited about your new toy (as would I be) ... no worries man ... only comment I can make at this point is, "I'd certainly hope the Firebird was much faster than the Grand AM!!" :lol: ... enjoy your new car, and be safe with it :D

[v6granddammit]

Thanx !!!:))

[grandizzle]

all the proof was deleted by the old fast, err guy.

[99GrandAMSE]

Originally posted by grandizzle
all the proof was deleted by the old fast, err guy.

... your attitude is like 'someone else' that I am aquainted with :shake:

[grandizzle]

Originally posted by 99grandamse
... your attitude is like 'someone else' that I am aquainted with :shake:

it doesnt really even matter to me,

heck if every GM 60deg OHV blew up today because of detonation, id consider the world better off, but thats just MO

so due to the fact that

1. i dont own a v6
2. i dont care about hte v6

i shall now retire from thsi thread.

goodday

[99GrandAMSE]

Originally posted by grandizzle
it doesnt really even matter to me, ...

I figured that ... but regardless, not sure why we always seem to butt heads but, I am sure it will happen again :(

[grandizzle]

Originally posted by 99grandamse
I figured that ... but regardless, not sure why we always seem to butt heads but, I am sure it will happen again :(


maybe we are both buttheads :P


i think its more so because we "specialize" in differnet engines and our thoughts on mods and things differ . Its cool though, various positions on a subject never hurt anything,.

[TA^Guy]

Originally posted by Johntheman
lean=usually more power
Are you 'crazy'?

You might want to do some home work before you start telling people what makes power.

Next thing you'll tell us is that air is stored engery and not the fuel.

Yes running too rich will hurt performance. But a tad too rich will provide more power than a tad too lean. Plus it's about 1000x safer.

I have built and helped build NA cars, Turbo Cars and N2O cars and trust me running lean at all with a high 9 second Mustang wouldn't have lasted 6 years on the same motor.

[grandizzle]

Originally posted by TA^Guy
Are you 'crazy'?

You might want to do some home work before you start telling people what makes power.

Next thing you'll tell us is that air is stored engery and not the fuel.

Yes running too rich will hurt performance. But a tad too rich will provide more power than a tad too lean. Plus it's about 1000x safer.

I have built and helped build NA cars, Turbo Cars and N2O cars and trust me running lean at all with a high 9 second Mustang wouldn't have lasted 6 years on the same motor.

youll have to forgive john, for he owns a 60deg ohv

seems none of those people know anything!

lol j/p

dont bite my ass for this one haha.

[TA^Guy]

Don't forget I have two four bangers in my driveway also. One that will run near 11 flat in the 1320 and top out over 150mph. The other a 160,000+ mile 2.0 in a Jbody which still runs great.
I've also owned 6 FBodies, a Grand National, a mildly warmed over Z24 and several other cars with various engine combos.

Turned wrenches and helped freinds mod everything from VTECs to Mopars, not just 60 degree V6's. The basics are the same no matter what brand of motor it is or how may cylinders it has.

But then again experience means nothing. :shrug:

Hey by all means don't take free advice of someone just trying to help you. But just because you can not feel denotation it doesn't mean it's not present. Most small pings the knock sensor picks up and makes adjustments. But everytime the timing is adjusted to eliminate denotation, your loosing power on top of doing damage to the motor.
For those that like to push the limit and run 'lean' instead of staying 'stoich' a good investment would be to go over to Casper Electronics website and purchase a Knock sensor.

[HotRedGA]

wasn't the initial point that it "might" not be really advisable to leave the IAT hang outside the tube.. Personally, I think that if someone has left it hang outside the car and they are happy with the performance and not having any troubles then to each his own.. This is the beauty of doing mods.. Find out what works well and what doesn't. Being we have a slim aftermarket its not like we have a lot to go on.. Thats why these sites exist..

As to the concepts of too lean or too rich.. That is all just good old engine fundementals.. too much either way is not good.. Thats something that won't change.. hasn't changed in decades.

The idea about a programmed MAF to help eliminate detonation and what not has merit with the Garbage In Garbage Out concept.. being in an IT field its very true.. Just look at some of MS's products.. (j/k) It seems that this got sorta off topic and became a who knows more and who knows less. not cool...

Frankly, I appreciated the knowledge originally posted.. and some of the questions and ideas were informative.. But I wouldn't think it would be a good idea to buck heads with multiple members/mods about engine performance for an engine you don't have.. If ya really don't care.. don't post.

I'm no guru... I have a custom made CAI.. I chose to have my recirculation tube and IAT sensor in the tube. Car has 92,000 miles and runs as good if not better than it ever has. But thats just me. Next spring I am probably removing the recirc tube and am building my own custom IAT mod box.. The box may or may not do anything.. but figured should be a nice cheap project.

just my thoughts... keep the nickel.:cool:

[98RedGT]

ok i want one of those intakes in the 1st picture up top that 3100...what kind of car intake is that? said prelude maybe but what year and brand?

[Johntheman]

ya, hotredga has it right.

Im not a car genious, I dont know a bunch about them, im only 18 years old.

I wrote those directions because i found a new way to make a cheap, effective, and good looking CAI for our cars. I thought it would be nice if I gave another way to make a CAI so someone could do it just like me if they wanted.

No my IAT is not in the pipe, and yes it has been runnig fine for just about ever the way it is.

"youll have to forgive john, for he owns a 60deg ohv

seems none of those people know anything!

lol j/p
"

wheres the post deletion for this "attitude" now?

Theres my directions, if they help you out then great. Its not going to make your car run 11's. If you want to exactly copy my setup then great, thats why i wrote them.

but mindles flaming its what makes these forums, ESPECIALLY this one, a waste of time.

Ive tried to be as nice as possible in this thread, and i had left, but i came back when i saw the flames on me.

Almost makes me wish I had never written those directions. OR that they hadnt wound up on this site anyway.


and 98RedGT its a 92-96 Prelude 2 piece CAi that u can find on Ebay I bought mine from xxfusionXX or sumthing, theyre all pretty much the same

[sunrunner_pei]

Johntheman, I'm going to say this as nicely as possible:

First, learn what the term 'flaming' really means. Debating and discussing, even when you don't agree with what's said is not flaming. People can disagree with you and not 'flame' you.

Second, if you don't like my website, you are free to leave. No one has forced you to come here, no one is forcing you to stay.


wheres the post deletion for this "attitude" now?

Theres my directions, if they help you out then great. Its not going to make your car run 11's. If you want to exactly copy my setup then great, thats why i wrote them.

but mindles flaming its what makes these forums, ESPECIALLY this one, a waste of time.

Ive tried to be as nice as possible in this thread, and i had left, but i came back when i saw the flames on me.

Almost makes me wish I had never written those directions. OR that they hadnt wound up on this site anyway.

[Johntheman]

well then Ill say this as nicely as possible as well


my point is, the same "attitude" that got some of mine, and other's posts deleted is no longer being censored

and i was referring to the post where i own a 60degree so I dont know anything, even if it was a joke

[Old Guy]

Originally posted by Johntheman
well then Ill say this as nicely as possible as well


my point is, the same "attitude" that got some of mine, and other's posts deleted is no longer being censored

and i was referring to the post where i own a 60degree so I dont know anything, even if it was a joke

The posts you're referring to were not even close to what was said in the posts that were deleted. I doubt you even read what was deleted because they were removed less than 2 or 3 minutes after they went up. As I had explained to you in a PM....I deleted not only one of your post but also one of mine inadvertantly.

My question is.....why are you still harping on this? It's actually to the point of "who cares?" Just move on and quit worring about trivial things like "my post got deleted"

Hey....I own a 60 degree too....so I guess I don't know anything either. ;)

[TA^Guy]

Originally posted by Johntheman


"youll have to forgive john, for he owns a 60deg ohv seems none of those people know anything!

lol j/p"

wheres the post deletion for this "attitude" now?

Theres my directions, if they help you out then great. Its not going to make your car run 11's. If you want to exactly copy my setup then great, thats why i wrote them.

but mindles flaming its what makes these forums, ESPECIALLY this one, a waste of time.


Just to let you know he wasn't flaming you, your not the only John that posted in this thread. Notice he quoted me when he made that comment. And it wasn't deleted because I didn't care what he said. He didn't have a decent discussion and that is all he had to fire back with. I personally have had my hands in motors that make 5-6 times what a four banger GA makes, his judgemental statement like that isn't going to bother me.