the chip

[AeR0]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2445521509&category=42604


anyone seeen this? does it work?
or is it BS?

let me know..

thx

[56chev]

I would say BS, its probably the resistor one with a fancy box around it...


I havent used it, but I tend to stay away from stuff that seems too good to be true.

And I know that it DOESNT give you anywhere near 10hp...

[Pte Socks]

well it has the right formula man. Honestly, its just another air/fuel ratio chip. It changes the air fuel ratio of your car to gain more hp. estimated gains actually range between 6-8 hp. Its not a programming chip, its just a module that hooks up to your air/fuel intakes and changes out the ratio. Looks not to be that bad, simply because its not hard to maks such a device. So it may be legit.

[Pte Socks]

Ok well the price might be a little low. Like you should know, buyer beware! For me, I would not get it simply because im willing to spend extra money to make sure its a tired and tested product. but thats just me. Kinda like, if you got the money to waste, try it out, it wont cause any harm becasue if it does, just disconnect it. But if you dont have the cash and you are looking for some reliability, i probably woul save up some money for a jet speed module. Optimatlly, youd get an actual "chip" for the GA, but those tend to be about 400 US.

[Oldcat]

I was looking at a Jet Module (on Ebay) so I called them and found out that it does two things for a '03 Grand Am 3.4; remap the air fuel ratio tables and remap the timing tables. This seems like not much for $200. If this Next Level thing really remaps the air fuel it might be worth something provided any of this means more than the .25 resistor mod.
Jet Performance has a website (www.jetchip.com) and a phone number.
Next Level has a website (www.nextlevelracing.com) with a stage two product.
The real chips/PCMs do a heck of a lot more but they hit you for $300+ .
Since I have a 3.4 and the original post is a 2.4 I'd say hit the Google and read up.

[jayhawk]

All i can say is :bs:

[Artic]

I gotta call bs there are better mods than that with higher gains.

[Oldcat]

Per the phone call Jet only claims 8-10hp for the module on a 3.4, I didn't ask about any other engine. The Next Racing site talks a lot of air but no substance which makes it hard to tell just what their module claims (the hp claims sound way overblown) to do at all.
From what I've found the reprograms sound legit but expensive.

I think this is not the best bang for the $ mod but to each his own.
Which aspect of the discussion gets your BS flag, choice of module/chip/PCM or the use of any of them?

[Old Guy]

Here's my take on the PCM modifications.

ASE or DHP will give you the best overall enhancement for your money. Both do similar things but in my estimation DHP would be the way to go because beside removing the rev and speed limiter and changing timing and A/F ratios, it also firms up the shifts long with a few other small things.

I own a Jet Module although I don't have it hooked up anymore. I'm not sure if I saw any difference or not because running at the track I only saw a .10 sec difference at best and as we all know that could come from anything such as getting a better launch or track conditions changing. My best time was run without the Jet even being in the car.

I'm inclined not to trust things like the "G-Box" in the ebay ad.

He says in the ad "We guarantee that the G-Box will outperform ANY other performance module on the market for under $100.00. In fact, we're so confident in this product that if you find a better performing module for under $100.00, we'll not only refund your purchase price, but we will also pay for the alternate module!"

I don't know af any modules under $100.00 except for the resistor mod that guys try to pawn off as a module.

I'm sure we'll all agree that HP doesn't come cheap.....if the box was so great, why doesn't he show dyno results to back up his claims??? I've added the seller to my favorites...as soon as he puts another up I'm going to ask him where he gets his results.

[Oldcat]

Don't waste your time with the Ebay seller, here is the website where the G-Box and its more expensive upgrade live.

http://www.nextlevelracing.com/

I already sent an email asking for backup on the claims made for this mod which looks a lot like a resistor in a pretty plastic box. A company operating out of a po box sounds a mite thin on space for the r&d department so I don't really expect a reply.

That under $100 claim seems almost an admission that this thing is going head to head with the resistor mod.
The DHP really sounds like the way to go but that price is hard to reach (for me anyway) and I think $300 is a lot to burn a chip. I know a burner didn't come cheap but...

[Oldcat]

Big surprise, got an answer. No surprise it just said that their module is
" fully variable, the cheap types of modifications you mentioned are overrides"
I emailed back asking for some proof of what the thing does--nothing yet but the DHP sounds better and better.

[Old Guy]

Yeah....when you get to our age (figuring from OldCat you're probably close) we tend to know that if sounds too good to be true.....it probably is!!! :)

[Oldcat]

Right On--kid, I'm 7 years up on ya.


I was just over on J-body and tripped over this. Scrool down and it has some things to say about chips-n-jets.
http://www.j-body.org/forums/read.php?f=2&i=215434&t=215434

[Old Guy]

I'm inclined to agree with him as far as the Jet is concerned. I didn't feel anything and never had a chance to dyno it, but as I said my best times were run without it.

As soon a Kubiche gets his DHP back for the SE I think that's the route I'm going, unless I get rid of the GA in the meantime. I've been test driving a few cars......I think I got the bug again!!

[Oldcat]

I just went through that and we ended up with the GAGT. It seemed the best mix of price and features--now I've got the modding bug.

I found--and lost--a site where a guy explained all the IAT style chips (including the Jet) as GIGO.
Sending bad data to the computer from the IAT sets it into "limp home mode" with full rich, no spark advance and high pressure shifts. Hence the "gains" might be felt but still false. Now if I could just find that free lunch...
Scrool--what did that crawl out from under!

[Oldcat]

Ok, what do you all think of this toy?

http://www.zzperformance.com/zzp/products/engine/mini_afc.htm

It seems to do the same thing as a MAF (if I understand right what a MAF does) for a lot less $$ and its calibrations can be changed. The kicker is that they say you need a scanner or a dyno to get the numbers right.
Is this interesting or am I still looking for that freee lunch?