Nitrogen tire inflation

[klc317]

A local tire shop has been advertising this as they have the equipment to do it now. I didn't know anything about it, but found this website...check it out. Doesn't sound like a bad idea.

http://www.tirelast.com/id15.html

[tenspeed]

Depends on how much they charge for the service.

[JGray]

Uhh correct me if im wrong but doesnt nitrogen explode when there is heat present?? i.e. peeling out, braking, ect

[Big Joe]

i donno they have a good argument on the web page

[matts]

my tires have always done fine with good ol' normal air......why change now. lol

[BBT]

I prefer helium. Makes for a smoother ride.

[matts]

:funny: but it gives your head a funny feeling

[TA^Guy]

That is cool that a local shop offers nitrogen. Some race car teams use nitrogen because it's rate of expansion and contraction is much more consistent compared to regular compressed air. Regular air has more water vapor due to changes in the humidity on race day. Water will cause the expansion and contraction of normal air inconsistant. Aircrafts are also known to use nitrogen in their tires as well. If offered around here I would probally put it in my bike tires, but I wouldn't waste the money on my car tires.

[tenspeed]

Originally posted by JGray
Uhh correct me if im wrong but doesnt nitrogen explode when there is heat present?? i.e. peeling out, braking, ect

No, air is mostly nitrogen.

[Loopy]

Originally posted by JGray
Uhh correct me if im wrong but doesnt nitrogen explode when there is heat present?? i.e. peeling out, braking, ect

No, you're thinking Hydrogen - i.e. Hindenburg...

[Artic]

I'll just stick with good ole air :)

[LoneRangers15]

Originally posted by Loopy
No, you're thinking Hydrogen - i.e. Hindenburg...
Or nitrous oxide.

[CustomAutoAccen]

I have had it in my BF Goodrich G-Force KWDS tires for 18 months now. I paid 700 to have them installed and they put the nitrogen in for free. Regardless of summer or winter, my tire pressure remains a constant 40 psi.

Is it worth it? Maybe if you don't pay much for it.

The disadvantage is that if you have a low tire by putting air in it you negate the benefits of nitrogen. So if you take your car to any other shop for an oil change you have to stand out there and say .... Dont touch the tires... Then you have to tell them not to fill orange antifreeze in your coolant that has been changed to green but that's another story.

[BBT]

I'll bet all the 'rice' boys with their super powered rolling boom box mega-winged sticker-mobiles have nitrogen inflated tires because of all the smokin' performance they have.

Seems like a waste in a daily driver, IMO. If you race your car on a road course, it might make some sense, where a few tenths per lap can make a difference.

I'll stick with the helium. Hoo HAW!

[MagusXIII]

Originally posted by LoneRangers15
Or nitrous oxide.
Nitrous oxide DOES NOT EXPLODE NOR IS IT FLAMMABLE! I really am beside myself as to how this LIE gets perpetuated? :shrug:
See pix below...


http://home.neo.rr.com/donaldjr/pix/nitrous1.jpg

http://home.neo.rr.com/donaldjr/pix/nitrous2.jpg

See the labelling? That is D.O.T. mandated. They MUST comply with proper labelling of compressed gasses.

Now...if you are talking about nitrous oxide or nitrogen exploding under heat, ALL compressed gasses will EXPLODE IN THE CYLINDER when the pressure goes above maximum rated pressure of the containment vessel. Take ANY non-flammable gas such as nitrogen, nitrous oxide, argon, helium,etc and place the vessel into a fire. STAND WAY BACK and tell me what happens. Those are just simple temp vs pressure relationships derived from your basic Gas Laws.

No, nitrous oxide is not flammable!

[jayhawk]

But Don, in a movie, Nitrous Oxide exploded...so that means it real, right??

Oh wait, silly me. You have to scream NAAAWWWWSSS!!!! and then it will explode.

[pre_16365]

Originally posted by jayhawk
But Don, in a movie, Nitrous Oxide exploded...so that means it real, right??

Oh wait, silly me. You have to scream NAAAWWWWSSS!!!! and then it will explode.

:lol:

[TA^Guy]

Don you beat me to it. :D
Originally posted by jayhawk
But Don, in a movie, Nitrous Oxide exploded...so that means it real, right??

Oh wait, silly me. You have to scream NAAAWWWWSSS!!!! and then it will explode.
:funny:

[LoneRangers15]

Originally posted by MagusXIII
Nitrous oxide DOES NOT EXPLODE NOR IS IT FLAMMABLE! I really am beside myself as to how this LIE gets perpetuated? :shrug:
See pix below...


http://home.neo.rr.com/donaldjr/pix/nitrous1.jpg

http://home.neo.rr.com/donaldjr/pix/nitrous2.jpg

See the labelling? That is D.O.T. mandated. They MUST comply with proper labelling of compressed gasses.

Now...if you are talking about nitrous oxide or nitrogen exploding under heat, ALL compressed gasses will EXPLODE IN THE CYLINDER when the pressure goes above maximum rated pressure of the containment vessel. Take ANY non-flammable gas such as nitrogen, nitrous oxide, argon, helium,etc and place the vessel into a fire. STAND WAY BACK and tell me what happens. Those are just simple temp vs pressure relationships derived from your basic Gas Laws.

No, nitrous oxide is not flammable!
But does it add oxygen to support fire? Isn't fire basically fuel, oxygen, and heat? So if you put nitrous oxide in a tire (which you wouldn't), added heat and fuel, there would be an explosion.

[birdhouse]

Where would you get the fuel from?? You gonna fill the tire partly with gasoline, too?? :P

[master]

That website is full of bullcrap. First, Nitrogen is NOT inert!! Secondly, most normal driving will wear down the tread to a point that they nead replacing long before the rubber itself "deteriorates". Third, in the winter when the tire pressure drops due to the cold and you need to fill up, it's going to be a pain in the arse to look for Nitrogen.

FYI: Nitrogen in certain compounds like fertilizer is flammable but nitrogen gas (N2) is not flammable.

[matts]

Originally posted by jayhawk
But Don, in a movie, Nitrous Oxide exploded...so that means it real, right??

Oh wait, silly me. You have to scream NAAAWWWWSSS!!!! and then it will explode.

:roflmfao: i was thinking that

[Gimli]

Nitrous Oxide won't explode at the contact of a flame but it'll make for one bigass flame.

BTW when you talk about fuel in a combustion equation it's anything that can burn. In this example the tire becomes the fuel, the Nitrous Oxide provides the Oxygen. All you need is sufficient heat (NOT just from braking but something like a flame or spark) and you have yourself one hell of a nice bonfire.

[GrandAmageGT]

(ni´trejen) , gaseous chemical element; symbol N; at. no. 7; at. wt. 14.0067; m.p. -209.86; b.p. -195.8; density 1.25 grams per liter at STP; valence principally -3, +3, or +5. Nitrogen is a colorless, odorless, tasteless diatomic gas. It is found in group Va of the periodic table . It does not burn, does not support combustion, and is only slightly soluble in water. It is relatively inactive chemically, but many of its compounds display marked reactivity. At high temperatures it reacts with some of the other elements to form nitrides. Nitrogen has several oxides. Nitrous oxide , N 2 O, is a gas used as an anesthetic; it is often called laughing gas. Nitric oxide, NO, is a gas used in the manufacture of sulfuric acid; in air it forms nitrogen dioxide, NO 2 , a poisonous reddish-brown gas. Nitrogen trioxide, N 2 O 3 , is unstable at ordinary temperatures. Nitrogen pentoxide, N 2 O 5 , forms nitric acid when dissolved in water. Important compounds of nitrogen include nitric acid , ammonia , many explosives , cyanides , fertilizers , and the proteins . Many organic compounds contain nitrogen. Nitrogen for industrial use is produced largely by the fractional distillation of liquid air. Nitrogen is used to some extent for filling light bulbs, in thermometers, and generally anywhere a relatively inert atmosphere is needed. The chief importance of the element lies in its compounds. The expression “nitrogen fixation” refers to the extraction of the element from the atmosphere by its combination with other elements to form compounds. This is accomplished commercially in several ways. In the Haber process , nitrogen is reacted with hydrogen to form ammonia; in the cyanamide process, nitrogen is reacted with calcium carbide at high temperatures to form calcium cyanamide; in the arc process, nitrogen is reacted with oxygen in an electric arc to form nitrogen oxides. Nitrogen is abundant in the atmosphere; it is about 78% (by volume) of dry air. Nitrogen is present in the protoplasm of all living matter; it and its compounds are necessary for the continuation of life (see nitrogen cycle ). Nitrogen is present in foods and is important in the human diet. Nitrogen was discovered by Daniel Rutherford in 1772, although K. W. Scheele and others were studying phlogisticated air (air from which the oxygen had been removed, usually by combustion). Lavoisier was the first to treat phlogisticated air as a separate element, which he called azote. The term nitrogen was first used by J. A. Chaptal in 1790. This early “nitrogen” was later shown by John Strutt, or Lord Rayleigh, and William Ramsay to contain argon; Henry Cavendish had shown in 1785 that there was an unreactive gas other than nitrogen present in air.

[MagusXIII]

Jrob, A BIG THANK YOU to you for posting that information. Hopefully...others will take it to heart. I just get a bit flustered that people who saw F&tF believe that nitrous oxide explodes like propane or whatnot... :shrug:

[MagusXIII]

Originally posted by LoneRangers15
But does it add oxygen to support fire? Isn't fire basically fuel, oxygen, and heat? So if you put nitrous oxide in a tire (which you wouldn't), added heat and fuel, there would be an explosion.
As you can see by the labelling, IT IS NOT FLAMMABLE! Yes it does add oxygen...BUT SO DOES THE AIR WE BREATHE! What do I need to do? Crack open the valve next to an open flame and videotape it? But if I did that, you could accuse me of filling the tank with CO2 :P

Nitrous Oxide MSDS (http://www.vngas.com/pdf/g3.pdf)

Do you remember some of your 9th grade science? More specifically, having a test tube filled with pure oxygen? You would put a glowing toothpick into the tube. The toothpick would burst into flame...but the gas itself inside the test tube would not burn like if it was propane or any other hydrocarbon. As for the comment about filling tires with nitrous oxide, lets say your fuel is the tire itself. First off, if your tires are hot enough to catch fire, you have far more pressing problems to deal with here...such as getting yourself out of your burning vehicle! And even if the flame reached the inside of the tire, the increase in combustion rate would be quick. The nitrous oxide would be rapidly consumed in less than a second. After that, combustion would return to its normal pace. I have a video of a guy using liquid oxygen to accelerate a charcoal fire. It is 10MB, but it will better help explain things I am trying to say.

Can you please answer me just one question? Why do you have or where did you get this mortal fear of nitrous oxide? Did one of your friends tell you this? Was it garnered from watching fast and the furious? You are scared to death of it, it seems. Yet having 12+ gallons of gasoline about 6 feet from your back is not scary? You are worried because it may explode. But...did you know your gas tank will rupture LONG BEFORE a compressed gas cylinder ruptures?

I am very sorry if I am coming off coarse here. But...I just really do not care to see a myth constantly being perpetuated. I try my best to dispel nitrous myths and to help out those with questions (why I stayed on the GAOC, btw), but it is just a bit on the disheartening side to try to explain and let others know that I have 3years of nitrous usage. Yet...others just continue to believe myths and half truths???? :shrug:

[matts]

i kind of have a fear like that. cutting torches scare the shit out of me. i wont use them. i'm not scared of nitrous bottles. although i have a question. why is nitrous not street legal? i've never gave it a whole lot of thought before. the gas tank should be a worry, look at the pinto lol.

[MagusXIII]

Originally posted by matts
i kind of have a fear like that. cutting torches scare the shit out of me. i wont use them.
There is nothing to be afraid of, IMO. The regulators have a backflow valve that, upon gasses burning backwards into the hoses, the reversed pressure shuts a valve. Flame vcannot burn backwards into the cylinders.

i'm not scared of nitrous bottles. although i have a question. why is nitrous not street legal? i've never gave it a whole lot of thought before. the gas tank should be a worry, look at the pinto lol.
Oh I think that may have to deal with people using nitrous oxide to outrun a police officer. Just a guess though.

[matts]

i know they're designed to be safe, but still. i dont know how to describe it.

that's kind of what i figured on the N2O, but i wanted a professional opinion.:P

[jayhawk]

I am very sorry if I am coming off coarse here. But...I just really do not care to see a myth constantly being perpetuated. I try my best to dispel nitrous myths and to help out those with questions (why I stayed on the GAOC, btw)

And Don, you do an EXCELLENT job of it. I am noticing more now the term N2O or Nitrous Oxide than NAAAWWWS.

Thank you.

[BBT]

N2O is probably a safety issue on the street because of the idiot behind the wheel, not because of any problems with the bottle. Transporting a full tank of bar-b-q propane in your trunk is probably more of a risk than nitrous.

Now for dangerous, try strapping a JATO canister to the roof of your old Chebby Biscayne and lighting it off. Yahoooooooooo!

[MagusXIII]

Originally posted by jayhawk
And Don, you do an EXCELLENT job of it.
Why THANK YOU, Jay! :)

I am noticing more now the term N2O or Nitrous Oxide than NAAAWWWS.

Thank you.
Heh, seeing Nitrous rather than NAAWWZZZ being used is always a good thing! :D

[matts]

but if you want to go real fast you gotta add NAAAAWWWZZZZ :lol: regular ol' nitrous just don't cut it when you've got high performance machines like focus' and civics :P

[Mike Reyna]

Nitrogen is used on all commercial airline aircraft tires. :)

[master]

Originally posted by Gimli
Nitrous Oxide won't explode at the contact of a flame but it'll make for one bigass flame.

BTW when you talk about fuel in a combustion equation it's anything that can burn. In this example the tire becomes the fuel, the Nitrous Oxide provides the Oxygen. All you need is sufficient heat (NOT just from braking but something like a flame or spark) and you have yourself one hell of a nice bonfire.

Why are people talking about fill the tires with nitrous oxide?? This thread started with talking about filling the tires with nitrogen gas!

Nitrous oxide = N2O
Nitrogen gas = N2.

Nitrogen gas has no oxygen.

[TA^Guy]

Because someone said Nitrogen was explosive and someone else said they were thinking of Nirtous Oxide. When in fact both of them are not explosive.

[Ishan]

well then.. I'm probably getting new tires tomorrow, and if it's cheap enough, (I think it was only like 3 dollars a tire) then ima have them do it, and I'll let ya all know if i can tell a difference.

Oh, and it's free refill for nitrogen for life, so, finding it wont be a problem.

[DontPassTheFence]

Originally posted by birdhouse
Where would you get the fuel from?? You gonna fill the tire partly with gasoline, too?? :P
Hey gas in my tires has increased my gas mileage ten fold. Dont underestimate the power of good ol' gasoline :roflmfao: