Quad 4 to 3.1L

[spikesrides]

I have an opportunity to buy two 94' Grand Am's for extremely cheap. One is a 2dr. Quad 4 with the engine on it's way out but everything else is good on it and the other is a 4dr. with a 3.1L V6 that's been in an accident. I want to put the 3.1L in the 2dr but I'm not sure what's all involved in this swap so I wondered what needs to be changed and switched over. Both are automatic. Please let me know ASAP because I want to start this swap before April if possible.

[HondaCivicsSuck]

i wouldnt do it... to much work

[spikesrides]

why is it too much work. What's involved. I will be working with both complete cars and I am mechanically inclined so that won't be a problem.

[HondaCivicsSuck]

hmmm... wiring harness are diffrent.. everything will have to be changed computer. motor, mounts transmision mounts, :(

[spikesrides]

I was planning on having to change all that anyway but do you know if I'm going to have to go as far as changing CV shafts and the whole nine yards or just what you've listed.

[HondaCivicsSuck]

yea.. check them out 1st i know mine went bad when i changed motors. i dont know if it was from the power gain or what. not to be an a$$ , but i think it would be easyer to find a 94 GAGT or Se there cheap, and some are in decent shape

and if needed do a 3100 to 3100 motor swamp thats what i did

[HondaCivicsSuck]

oh and the cluster on the Quad4 will not work on the 3100. the ECM will not read it

[spikesrides]

The only reason I'm thinking about doing this is because I'm laid off and sick of sitting on my ass twiddling my thumbs so I can get the 2dr. for $300 bucks and the 4dr. for free because the guy just wants to get rid of it and I might be able to make a decent car out of the two of them. So time isn't much of an issue I just wondered how hard it would be and what would have to be changed

[HondaCivicsSuck]

well.... i guess if you have the time and LOTS of money it could be done... i think it would be cool to see someone do the converson. Have anything else you want to ask why your doing the swamp just let me know

good luck :)

[spikesrides]

What do you think would have to be purchased in order to do the swap and what kind of money are we talking. I need to know this because I am laid off an all

[HondaCivicsSuck]

everything the list can go on and on


computer
everything under hood of the donor car
cluster.

which car has the least amount of miles?

is the quad a 4speed auto?

this swamp could cost u well over a grand. hell you might even have to do some body weilding

man am not trying to scare u away from this project. i just want to let u know what ur getting your self into

[RocketFast321]

before you do it beef up the 3100. :)

[spikesrides]

Well I'm going to have two complete cars and the 3.1L car was in an accident so the only thing good on it is the drive train so I will be getting everything under the hood and all the wiring and computer and everything with it.

As for beefing up the 3.1L before dropping it in what do you suggest that wouldn't cost much right now.

[HondaCivicsSuck]

well today must be your lucky day i have a set of 3400 upper and lower intakes with a 3400TB and 3400 fuel injectors and fuel rail from a 97 pontiac Transport. the intakes are already cut down so your rocker wont hit the runners thanks to me :D

u could also port your exhaust manifolds do a CAI

or if you have spare change port the intakes which would give you a nice gain!

[spikesrides]

And are you selling these parts or are you just informing me of mods I can do myself.

[HondaCivicsSuck]

am doing both

[HondaCivicsSuck]

u still didnt tell me how many mile are on that 3100 u have? u might just want to leave it stock if its over 100K

dont want to blow it up

[spikesrides]

Where abouts are you located and what kind of coin are we talking for these glorious parts you have for sale and why might I ask if they would do me good why your not using them yourself.

[HondaCivicsSuck]

am located in michigan

am selling my car

your intakes that u have on your 3100 right now are smaller then the 3400SFI intakes . thats one reason why they produce more power


3400 mini van 185hp

ur 3100 155 hp

if u do decide on doing the swamp i highly recommend you port the intakes

[spikesrides]

Well what do you want for the stuff off the 3.4L and how much do you figure it would be to ship to Kitchener, Ontario, Canada

And I haven't mentioned it yet but thanks for all the help and the quick responses

[HondaCivicsSuck]

Hey, thats what am here for, when it come to the 60 degree motor am da man. I dont know how much shipping would cost i would have to check, i paid 75 bucks for each intakes but i dont ask that much, i have to look and see how much i paid for the other stuff.

how many miles are on that 3100 or yours?

[spikesrides]

I'll have to check tomorrow. So when you get back to me on what you want for the parts I'll be able to tell you the K's on the car

[HondaCivicsSuck]

ok. make sure you convert it to miles for me :D

[JShuck4]

I’m also interested in converting my 1994 Grand Am SE (150,000mi). I was originally going to convert it to RWD and drop in a GM 350 I have sitting around the garage, but I’m not so sure now that I see how much work it will involve. I had striped out everything getting it ready for some body work and some new paint. It originally had the 2.3 SOHC, the crappiest motor they made. I want lots of horsepower and torque but I still want it to be street legal. What do you guys recommend? Im open to all kinds of crazy ideas, mainly due to the fact that i have too much time on my hands and access to the father-in-laws garage/machine shop. :D

[JShuck4]

I'll have some pics of my current progress later this week. there isnt a lot of rust on her body, considering she's 10 years old now.

[HondaCivicsSuck]

wow that sounds cool let us know how it turns out

[tenspeed]

Hey Spike, have you considered unbolting the engine sub-assembly and lifting the car off it? It might be easier then messing with the axels, mounts, etc.