not to be redundant, but can my amp push 2 jl's?

[tommymcc]

i'm just wondering if my rf 501bd could push a couple of jlw6's, i haven't decided on 10" or 12"

the amp rms' at 638 watts at 2 ohms according to the birth sheet

[matts]

well that would be 319 watts per speaker. just get something in that watt range and make sure you can wire them down to 2 ohms

[tommymcc]

i think they only come in dual 4 ohm, so i may not be able to

[matts]

well you could hook them up in parallel and have the same effect. so yeah you could

[car audio dave]

you cant get a pair of 4 ohm DVCs in 2 ohms. itll end up in either 1, 4, or16 ohms. id recommend a single w6 with that amp, itll work great. thats about the amount of power needed for a 12" anyway.

[tommymcc]

the thing is, i'm already running a single hx2 10'' in a ported box, i know thats louder than a w6 in a sealed box

dave, you have your w6's running off a 500w amp am i right? how do they sound, i know there's a big difference from trucks to cars, but i'm just interested in how they hold up

[illsmokeyou]

it depends on what you interpret "loud" to be. Im sure loud to me and Dave certainly means something entirely different to someone else. are you refering to Raw SPL, if so, you can get the most out of the 10/12 inch W6's by building a ported enclosure, however, the sealed setup that dave has, as well as the single 10 inch that I run, are strictly for Sound Quality purposes, sealed does yeild some good SPL, probably not as much as a ported enclosure, but I intended something that has precise impact and decay, as well as save space. Daves setup was also intended for show as well, not to say that it doesnt sound on par :)

I will say that in comparison, a single 10W6v2 is cleaner, and more SPL than the following:

*2 12 inch kicker compVr's

*2 12 inch rockford fosgate Hx2's

*10 inch JLW3 (old version) ;)

so you do the math on what on what 2 10's/12's will sound like. For the record........ the 10W6v2 and the 12W6V2 are the exact same woofer besides resonant frequency, sensitivity, and recommended enclosure sizes............ as far as everything else goes, its the SAME woofer ;), so for $40 less, you can see why a 10 inch would be more practical

[tommymcc]

i've talked to many ppl at dealers as well as on the board about putting w6's in a ported box and it's not recommended as far as i know

anybody know if running a 501bd in 1 ohm mode is safe for the amp

[matts]

i dont think so. i ran my bd1500 at 1 ohm and it didn't like it too much :P. i think it's just 2 ohm stable, but i could be wrong

[tommymcc]

i've been told not to do it

i'm also considering getting a rf hx2 18", that be cool

[car audio dave]

ok well as alan said, the JLs will be MUCH cleaner than the fosgate sub, any day of the week. if youre looking for punchy yet impactful bass then get the w6v2, for punchy but wiuth less impact then get the w3v2, and for just LOUD then get fosgate. i dont recommend a ported box unless its for a stricktly SPL setup because a ported box looses accuracy, and accuracy is why youre getting a JL to begin with.

to answer your question...my pair of 10w6v2s to my 500/1 is plenty of bass for my application, but rmember, as alan said, mine is an SQ setup, not meant for loudest thing in the world. i had a VERY loud system before, its just not my cup of tea.

[tommymcc]

how do you think a 10w7 would sound or a pair of 8w7's?

[Pte Socks]

I just went to a sound shop yesterday. Basically for the w6's in a sealed box, the DB level is pretty decent and is very clean and accurate. However, in a ported box, ive been told they are DB monsters with it losing some small accuracy. Hehe im kinda tempted for that ported box.

[illsmokeyou]

Originally posted by tommymcc
i've talked to many ppl at dealers as well as on the board about putting w6's in a ported box and it's not recommended as far as i know

anybody know if running a 501bd in 1 ohm mode is safe for the amp

sorry, but the dealers you are visiting could NOT be more incorrect. As dave has said, as well as neoblue, a ported enclosure would yeild you more SPL, but sacrificing some accuracy, as well as space. In your W6v2 owners manual, JL gives you the recommended ported specs and port legnths, they do in fact recommend a ported enclosure

No rockford amplifiers that I can think of off the top of my head including yours is 1 ohm stable, nor recommended.

as far as the W7 goes, it is strictly an SPL type woofer, and high amplification levels are needed to keep its full potential. I would imagine JL has incorporated some if its patents like its W6 line into its W7, so It shouldnt be a messy woofer persay, but I do know for a fact that its strictly SPL dedicated. I wouldnt see a point to chosing 2 8inch W7 woofers vs a 10W7, if your going for the SLP W7, bigger is better...... period. Id go all out 12W7 or 13.5W7 if possible........ again assuming that you want all out SPL, and if not, then I dont think the W7 is for you ;)

[tommymcc]

the thing with the 8w7's is they rms around 250 - 300w which i could do, but they don't hit the lower freq like i want

[matts]

well actually illsmokeyou, isn't their (fosgate) new 30001T amp rated for 1 ohm? :lol:

[tommymcc]

yes, all the new rf power amps are rated at 1 ohm

too bad the 3001 cost $1800

[matts]

i did not know that.......

[illsmokeyou]

:idunno: I have no idea what their line up looks like nowadays, I was just going off the top of my head

on the other hand, $1800, ill pass :lol:

[tommymcc]

http://www.rockfordfosgate.com/products/amp_index.asp

that is the new amp line, i've heard its a big improvement, but i haven't heard so well about the new subs, or at least the cheaper subs

[car audio dave]

they claim 1 ohm, but come on...its fosgate. just go into best buy and ask them if the ampos are 1 ohm stable, after youre done telling them what an OHM is, then you can move onto a real brand of amplifier.

(sorry, im just bitter because i am VERY MUCH against fosgate and my work just announced that were gonna be selling it, therefore im gonna quit.)

[tommymcc]

the guys at best buy are idiots anyways

and why so hostile against fosgate, i know their products went to shit about 5 years ago, but last years rf line was great, i'll probably buy some of this years stuff this summer, just to make sure it is worth buy, but all the reviews i've seen have been good, mainly the power line, i stay away from the punch stuff

[matts]

yeah, easy slim shady......it'll be alright :lol: i'm sensing some hostility between dave and fosgate....but i could be just imagining things.

i like thier amps i guess. i've owned a few of them and they've passed the "matt smith durability test". which basically consist of abusing the piss out of it. i dont think they're new amps are going to be very good.......they're covered in chrome. and we all know that chrome looks pretty, but likes to retain heat.

[tommymcc]

the punch series hav the chrome, the power has the flat grey color

maybe if fosgate pisses me off with some crappy stuff i'll switch to jl

[car audio dave]

ive just seen too many customers come into my work, ask for fosgate, and leave when i say no. some of them take a look at the JL amps, and say, oh thats crap, then leave. fosgate built a name for themselves over 5 years ago, went to crap, and no is jsut riding on their name, and everyone follows them around like a lost puppy.

i dont have any loyalty toward a company unless that specific product impresses me. i used to be a Phoenix Gold fan, that went away. i used to be a PPI and orion fan, they both went away. and last of all, i was a lanzar fan before they were bought out by pyramid, and an MB Quart fan be fore they were bought by fosgate.

no brand stays on top forever, and people dont understand that. Yes, they can make a comeback, but it takes more than one decent model to regain my support.

[tommymcc]

anyone who looks at a product with out knowing anything about it is dumb, i look at jl and say "thats good stuff, but outta my price range right now," I look at sony and say "thats crap, i've owned it and i hate it", but with rockford i know that some of their stuff is scetchy, i've never had a bad product with them, i know ppl who have though, but never me personally

[car audio dave]

so does that mean that youd buy their stuff or not? cus reputation is key. i wouldnt buy audiobahn. ive never bought their stuff, but ive seen too many friends buy their stuff and it sucked. same goes for many other brands.

[tommymcc]

i would definetly buy jl, just not right now, they are outta my price range and i'm willing to give the new rockford stuff a chance

[matts]

audiobahn isn't that popluar around here, but everyone i know of to have audiobahn they've had good luck with it. it's their higher end stuff if that makes a difference.

and i think he means this, which is the same way i feel, i'll buy their product until i have a bad experience with them. after that i'll turn my back on them

[Pte Socks]

well put it this way, from what ive heard, for low prcei range, sony is trying to redo their lineup and get soem quality. I guess they realised what crap they are putting out isnt going to cut it. Honestly, im still an alpine and JL fan. I used to love the Phoenix Gold stuff, but that kinda wnet downhill fater their latest stuff that was ok, but not worth the price. Ive been a JL and Alpine fan for quiet a long time now, but im trying to expand my horizons and look at others as well. Im liking what is coming out of Orion and clarion these days, though clarion is for more lower ended systems. Pioneer has always been a cheap favorite of mine as well. It just really depends and it seems companies must go in their waves of good/bad models.

[tommymcc]

i like alpine stuff too, even though i had problems with a type r 10", i'm not gonna hold it against them, i put that thing through hell for over a year, i'm debating on going to jl, but i might one day