2005 GTO.. alot sweeter!

[XenoWolf]

What’s new for 2005
LS2 6.0L engine replaces LS1
400 horsepower (295 kw)
395 lb.-ft. of torque (546 Nm)
Available hood with twin air scoops
Revised rear fascia incorporating outlets for new split dual exhaust system
Polished exhaust outlet tips
Larger brake rotors and calipers
Red-painted calipers with GTO logo on front caliper
Driver foot rest
Two new colors: blue and grey

Transmissions

(Tremec T56)
6-spd man

(Hydra-Matic 4L60-E)
4-spd auto





2005 PONTIAC GTO: THE NEW GOAT GETS MORE MUSCLE
GTO – the original muscle car – was re-introduced last year and returns with more power and style for 2005. A new LS2 6.0L V-8 engine replaces the LS1 5.7L engine, bringing with it an increase in horsepower and torque.

The ’05 GTO packs 400 horsepower (295 kw) – up from 350 horses (261 kw) – and 395 lb.-ft. of torque (546 Nm), up from 365 lb.-ft. (495 Nm). Transmission choices are the same as the ’04 model’s: The Hydra-Matic 4L60-E four-speed automatic is standard and the Tremec six-speed manual is optional. GTO’s more powerful engine should lower the 0-60 time to less than 5 seconds.

Enthusiasts will immediately spot the brawnier ’05 GTO, thanks to new badging and a revised rear fascia that incorporates a new dual-exhaust system – it splits the GTO’s two outlets, routing them to opposite sides of the rear fascia. The exhaust tips are polished for a more refined appearance.

Also available is a new hood design incorporating a pair of stylish air scoops. The scoops draw fresh air in to the GTO’s engine compartment.

The badges identifying the ’05 GTO’s bigger V-8 include a “6.0” badge on the trunk lid and revised “GTO” fender badges, which now incorporate “6.0 Litre” designations. The original 1964 GTO also wore “6.0 Litre” fender badges, but at a time when almost every other American manufacturer referenced engine size in cubic inches.

Along with the GTO’s power increase comes improved braking performance from larger brake rotors, calipers and pads. The calipers are painted red and the front calipers feature the GTO logo.

Additional changes to the ’05 GTO include two new colors (blue and grey), as well as driver foot rest. A line of regular production accessories (RPAs) based on the 2004 GTO Performance Plus SEMA concept vehicle is scheduled for start-of-production availability. The accessories include a tall rear spoiler, front and rear fascia extensions, rocker molding extensions and grille inserts. As part of GM’s RPA program, the accessories can be ordered and installed on the vehicle prior to delivery.

LS2 details

Compared to the Gen III-based LS1, the 2005 GTO’s LS2 V-8 incorporates several significant changes to help improve performance. The block is an all-new casting with cylinder bores measuring 4.00 inches (101.6 mm) in diameter. The cylinder heads and camshaft are revised, too, to deliver the airflow necessary to complement the engine’s larger displacement. Other changes include:

New aluminum block casting with revised oil galleries and provisions for external knock sensors – external sensors improve serviceability
Camshaft lift increased to take advantage of increased cylinder head flow
Camshaft sensor relocated from the rear of the block to the front of the block provides room for new oil galleries
Flat-top piston design with lower ring tension reduces friction
Piston floating wrist pins help quiet the engine
More efficient ignition coils require less energy to provide a comparable spark
Compression raised to 10.9:1
Larger, 90-mm single-blade throttle body
Reduced-mass water pump design with improved sealing capability
Engine “redline” raised to 6500 rpm
Revised and more powerful engine controller incorporates all electronic throttle control functions

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[3 DeeJay]

grr.. please.. ya people gotta stop or I'll have to go buy one!! :lol:

[XenoWolf]

I considered moving into one at a point.. but I didn't want to get food stains on the interior. sigh :D

[JoeyK]

:( I was hopeing for something better than that.... it's still the Holden w/ the GTO badge on it.

[Chain]

body style is ok but the rims are ugly.

[Cobra^R]

heh, always wait 1 year after a new production vehicle :)

[97mintga]

I love the body, i think they look sic as hell driving down the road, but i do agree the rims gotta go! That would be the first thing i would do to the car.

[urweak]

has anyone relized that those tails are the same ones on the saturn 300 (their biggest sedan)

[WhiPontiac]

Goddamn me being so freakin poor!

[XenoWolf]

So what if it's a Monaro? The Monaro is a pretty sweet car itself, and Holden doesn't have any plans as of yet for American sales.. so whats the problem with GM bringing it over onboard with Pontiac?

What your looking at is a $35,000 (although I'm guessing it'll probably be closer to 40 in full trim) Z06. Apparently that isn't enough for some people because it's still 'bland' (which it's not.. people just like being on the bandwagon).

[vdgmcool]

That looks pretty sweet and to me I really don't care how it looks because in the end its all about the power.

[AznGA]

Good, now that thing can beat the Cobra. So they update the car after 1 year. Why didn't they do the same thing for Grand AM's?

[Jordon'sGrandAm]

well thats cool. i think iam gona stick to my feet and walking.

[ladiesmanga]

Originally posted by AznGA
Good, now that thing can beat the Cobra. So they update the car after 1 year. Why didn't they do the same thing for Grand AM's?

Because Grand Am's sold...GTO's didn't....

[XenoWolf]

Originally posted by ladiesmanga
Because Grand Am's sold...GTO's didn't....

Unfortunate but true. GTO's had horrible sales this year so far. I heard someone (It may have been from GAOC.. I dont remember) say they even got offered one at the dealers price.

Oh well, more for me in a few years when the Impreza gets paid off and I'm done with school. :D

[AMRAAM4]

Originally posted by XenoWolf
So what if it's a Monaro? The Monaro is a pretty sweet car itself, and Holden doesn't have any plans as of yet for American sales.. so whats the problem with GM bringing it over onboard with Pontiac?

What your looking at is a $35,000 (although I'm guessing it'll probably be closer to 40 in full trim) Z06. Apparently that isn't enough for some people because it's still 'bland' (which it's not.. people just like being on the bandwagon).

whoa there, that thing is still not close to a Z06 in total performance.

I will also suggest that it still will not beat a Cobra, either.

[Pte Socks]

Well I dotn know, but I friggin love that. Same with the G6, the more I look at it, the more im liking it. But goddamn if that car isnt hot! Common, just look at it. I know it doesnt look anything like any other GTO, but it never will again. But just look at the specs? Its hard to argue with 400 hp and 395 ft-lbs of torque. We would all kill to have our GA's running those specs.

[00gagt]

i think they need to make a Judge packages with the LS2 supercharged.... i know that they will have chrom wheels for 2005

[Black99GT3]

yowsas...that's hot i like it...better in black :D

[digital-d]

Originally posted by AznGA
Good, now that thing can beat the Cobra. So they update the car after 1 year. Why didn't they do the same thing for Grand AM's?

They've made updates on the GA since, but it took more time. In '01 or '02 they replaced the 2.4 with the less powerful 2.2, they removed the ribs on the se for '03 and they started offering the sc/t hood and spoiler. They've also changed the wheels available over the years. It's a shame for '05 that the GT still has the same power as the '99 GT and that a minivan with the same engine has more power. :(

My dealer sells the GTO's for $33,600 which is not much over MSRP. Then again we sell the GAGT's for $23,800 which I think is MSRP anyway.

I've never seen a Monaro rolling on the streets here, so what's the big deal about the GTO looking like it? And the big deal about the GTO looking bland? look at the '65 GTO.....it was just a common Tempest/Lemans with a bigger engine.

[JoeyK]

Yes, but they are american made. Not some foreign concoction w/ the good ole beloved badge on it. I like the new GTO but it's NOT a GTO to me. They should have named it something else. & oh ya... I'd never buy one anyways because I believe in supporting my fellow countrymen & keeping them in jobs by buying what I can made in America. Just my .02. Alot of people who are late 20's & older will agree while the younger generation, for the most part (there are a few exceptions) doesn't care about our economy & American pride.
Besides, taking the tempest & others & making a beefed up version w/ a big motor is what they called "muscle cars" back then, it was common practice & widely accepted.

[TA^Guy]

Thank god they are using a 6.0 liter, I'm so sick of hearing people call the 5.7 LS1 a 350.
Originally posted by JoeyK
Yes, but they are american made. Not some foreign concoction w/ the good ole beloved badge on it. Just my .02.

Alot of people who are late 20's & older will agree while the younger generation, for the most part (there are a few exceptions) doesn't care about our economy & American pride.

So I take it the Camaro and Firebird weren't worthy of their Heritage because they weren't american made either.

Heritage and american pride? It's a american company for gods sake. And with the way our GA has been running lately, I would rather have it built else where. Especially since all those snobbish magazines ranked it very well built for a domestic vehicle.
Originally posted by JoeyK
:( I was hopeing for something better than that.... it's still the Holden w/ the GTO badge on it.
And a Escalade is just a Tahoe with a Caddy crest and a Firebird is still a Camaro with a Arrowhead on it. Whats the difference, it's still GM.

[JoeyK]

Wow, what hostility,.. for a moderator. You really impress me. (sarcasm)
Sorry I forgot where the last gen f bodies were made. The last f bodies I owned were from Calf. I totally accept Canada as a decent origion for American cars. ( Sorry I left that out of my previous statements) There's a long history between Canada & the US in the automotive world & they are of the same union system as ours.
Now I don't know what in the heck you've done to your GA to have so many problems but mine has been one of the most trouble free vehicles I've ever owned. Every car manufacturer has thier problems & batches of lemons but for the most part I think the GA is a solid car. Are you saying we, as Americans can't make a decent car??? (You'd rather have it made elseware)
I'm aware Holden is a GM subsidy but buying one doesn't help your un employed automotive labor related neighbor, or family member, now does it. I guess I have stronger convictions than most people. Sorry for expressing myself, thanx for the attack. makes me think being a moderator carries no prestige at all.

[AMRAAM4]

Coming soon for the LS1 GTO engine ;)
http://www.ls1gtoperformance.com/ Click on "superchargers and nitrous" you can't link from their site.

I here the LS2 downside is that people will need to wait a bit for mods to be developed, whereas the LS1 has their collection already.

[JoeyK]

:jaw: Intercooled supercharger?!/ That oughta sink you into your seat given the stock horsepower you'd have right out of the box. (Although I'm no fan of the car I love the engine.)

[wiccanferret]

Originally posted by JoeyK
Wow, what hostility,.. for a moderator. You really impress me. (sarcasm)
Sorry I forgot where the last gen f bodies were made. The last f bodies I owned were from Calf. I totally accept Canada as a decent origion for American cars. ( Sorry I left that out of my previous statements) There's a long history between Canada & the US in the automotive world & they are of the same union system as ours.
Now I don't know what in the heck you've done to your GA to have so many problems but mine has been one of the most trouble free vehicles I've ever owned. Every car manufacturer has thier problems & batches of lemons but for the most part I think the GA is a solid car. Are you saying we, as Americans can't make a decent car??? (You'd rather have it made elseware)
I'm aware Holden is a GM subsidy but buying one doesn't help your un employed automotive labor related neighbor, or family member, now does it. I guess I have stronger convictions than most people. Sorry for expressing myself, thanx for the attack. makes me think being a moderator carries no prestige at all.

He didn't attack you, your convictions are terribly misguided, Grand Ams are not, in general, as reliable as some foreign built cars, and TA_Guy knows more about what to do and what not to do to his car then you will within your lifetime. Thank you, have a nice day. :cool:

[D.L.P.J.]

Originally posted by JoeyK
Yes, but they are american made. Not some foreign concoction w/ the good ole beloved badge on it. I like the new GTO but it's NOT a GTO to me. They should have named it something else. & oh ya... I'd never buy one anyways because I believe in supporting my fellow countrymen & keeping them in jobs by buying what I can made in America. Just my .02. Alot of people who are late 20's & older will agree while the younger generation, for the most part (there are a few exceptions) doesn't care about our economy & American pride.
Besides, taking the tempest & others & making a beefed up version w/ a big motor is what they called "muscle cars" back then, it was common practice & widely accepted.

Ok, so it is not made here by our union workers. It is still a Pontiac and a fantastic one at that. It would have taken a year or two longer to make an (American Pontiac specific body), but the decision was made to get the car out ASAP, and I applaud that decision. I am 31 and have been associated with Pontiacs since birth and I know and relish it's history as well. There has not been a car from GM at this price point/category "relevant to other GM models and prices over the years" that was this refined and potent, ever. Saying it is not worthy of the GTO badge, would be like saying the late 80's early 90's Cadillac Allante was not a true Cadillac. Yes the car is just a tad conservative, but did it not look very good, and very similiar to that CLK 55 AMG coupe in Motor Trends comparo. Pontiac is moving up in performance and refinement, so some of the boy-racerness that we love will unavoidably get toned down alittle. I plan on buying a weekend toy for myself in a year or two, and in order of choices I will either buy a
1. GTO"with mods"
2. CTS-V
3. C6 Vette

Go GM!! Go Ford!! and Go Chrysler!! "Especially Pontiac"

America is kicking __s and taking names again, keep it up and don't forget, improvement is an ongoing process.

[TheLamonizer]

Originally posted by JoeyK
Are you saying we, as Americans can't make a decent car??? (You'd rather have it made elseware)


whats the average lifespan of an american made vehicle?

now whats the average lifespan of a japanese made vehicle?

[XenoWolf]

Originally posted by JoeyK
Yes, but they are american made. Not some foreign concoction w/ the good ole beloved badge on it. I like the new GTO but it's NOT a GTO to me. They should have named it something else. & oh ya... I'd never buy one anyways because I believe in supporting my fellow countrymen & keeping them in jobs by buying what I can made in America. Just my .02. Alot of people who are late 20's & older will agree while the younger generation, for the most part (there are a few exceptions) doesn't care about our economy & American pride.
Besides, taking the tempest & others & making a beefed up version w/ a big motor is what they called "muscle cars" back then, it was common practice & widely accepted.

Look at it this way, your still supporting the American shippers, dock workers, truckers and dealerships when you buy a GTO, along with GM itself. The money GM earns gets pumped back into the wages of the UAW. Also thanks for throwing out random and unsubstantiated accusations about us not caring about our country, we appreciate it.

Have fun buying Fords. GM is moving to European platforms, and Chrysler is obviously being taken over by the Germans. Detroit isn't going to stay the Motor City much longer if the UAW keeps sucking money dry from our auto manufactuers. Don't get me wrong, they deserve what they deserve, but when faced with more affordable work elsewhere they've gotta watch thier backs.

Importation and Exportation is and always will be a part of our economy. We can't remain completely self-sufficient anymore.. it's too late for that.

[High_D]

Look at it this way, your still supporting the American shippers, dock workers, truckers and dealerships when you buy a GTO, along with GM itself. The money GM earns gets pumped back into the wages of the UAW

Yeah, the well deserved $30/hr for putting screws in a door, or howabout the guy that throws maps in the trunk as it goes down the line. Or the maintenance guys that sit and play solitaire all day...

Unions are whats wrong with northamerica, and the UAW/CAW are by far the worst and most overpaid.

I dont buy imorts b/c they all look cheap (standard honda template), not to support overpaid highschool dropouts

[ladiesmanga]

Originally posted by TheLamonizer
whats the average lifespan of an american made vehicle?

now whats the average lifespan of a japanese made vehicle?

How many 1973 Honda's do you see rolling around....

[TA^Guy]

:roll:
Originally posted by JoeyK
Wow, what hostility,.. for a moderator. You really impress me. (sarcasm)
Sorry I forgot where the last gen f bodies were made. The last f bodies I owned were from Calf. I totally accept Canada as a decent origion for American cars. ( Sorry I left that out of my previous statements) There's a long history between Canada & the US in the automotive world & they are of the same union system as ours.
Now I don't know what in the heck you've done to your GA to have so many problems but mine has been one of the most trouble free vehicles I've ever owned. Every car manufacturer has thier problems & batches of lemons but for the most part I think the GA is a solid car. Are you saying we, as Americans can't make a decent car??? (You'd rather have it made elseware)
I'm aware Holden is a GM subsidy but buying one doesn't help your un employed automotive labor related neighbor, or family member, now does it. I guess I have stronger convictions than most people. Sorry for expressing myself, thanx for the attack. makes me think being a moderator carries no prestige at all.
Please sir, show me where I attacked you and I will appologize.

But since I didn't I have no need to appologize or retract any of my statements in any way, shape or form.

I am fully aware that every batch has it's lemons. And as for taking care of it I do it all myself and know it's better taken care of than atleast 95% of the vehicles on the road.

A CAI, Throttle positioning sensor, and descreened MAF won't make a powersteering pulley fall right off the shaft.

You can stop putting words in my mouth because I never said Americans can't build good cars, but personally I wouldn't mind one built in Canada or Australia. I mean their work ethic can't be as bad as Americans. The only 'import' car I have owned in the past 10 years was a Subaru GL, and to be honest it was one of the best cars I have ever owned. Not the fastest or most stylish, but I beat the snot out of it offroad and on, and it kept ticking. The other 12 were all domestics brands no matter where they were built.

Just a 'FYI' for you. If GM were build a new platform for just one vehicle or even open a new plant to build a vehicle they already build else where would most likely incress the vehicle's price by a large sum. Putting the vehicle out of the price range of their target customers, the middle class blue collared worker. It's the major reason why nearly ever automakers has platforms that are used in a varity of vehicles. Saves money, makes parts more avalible, makes parts searching easier, and the bottom line... keeps costs down for the consumer.

[Colin]

Originally posted by JoeyK
I'm aware Holden is a GM subsidy but buying one doesn't help your un employed automotive labor related neighbor, or family member, now does it. Where are they gonna take the car for repairs and maintenance ? Who's gonna sell parts and other things these cars need ? GM dealers & Local Shops and Aftermarket Parts . Lot's of business i'd guess . ;)

[cyrrus]

true but you also have to realize that alot of japanese car are made in north america either north or south of the 49th parralle. I know Subaru has a plant making outback and lagacy in louisana( sorry can't spell) they used to make volvo's in Halifax. I know they have a toyota plant in Ont. and others. I do have to agree the a lot of union employee are over payed. mainly cause there work is so boring it keep them going. I also have to agree they may bring in cars the are built else were. but the spin off affect out way it. Just have a look at all those dealership who built them you neighbour's. they didn't bring them over from over seas. we work at the dealerships. etc etc. By the way i'm canadian for myself I have not againt the US. but if I have a choice either US or canadian I will buy canadian. Like you guy's would buy A US item then a canadian. just a patriotic thing to do. hey I'm not flaming anyone. Just my opion and like I said just my opion

[RiderOnTheStorm]

Originally posted by XenoWolf
So what if it's a Monaro? The Monaro is a pretty sweet car itself, and Holden doesn't have any plans as of yet for American sales.. so whats the problem with GM bringing it over onboard with Pontiac?

What your looking at is a $35,000 (although I'm guessing it'll probably be closer to 40 in full trim) Z06. Apparently that isn't enough for some people because it's still 'bland' (which it's not.. people just like being on the bandwagon).

For clarification the LS2 is not found in the Z06. It will be found in the new redesigned C6 (Corvette) as the base engine. The LS6 is the engine that is found in the Z06, which has about the same horsepower in a 5.7 litre.

[Prospeeder]

I Well, Look at the Murano, $55,000, look at a gto, $35,000, both the same, which is a better Value? and I love the GTO look, my dads gonna get one, but my mom thinks there ugly so there debating over it, and JoeyK, The Moderator Never attacked you, ur just dalusional

[navybluese00]

I'd live in one if I could - If only I had more $$$$$ - but the rims gotta go. Where's the chromes?????

[JoeyK]

JoeyK, The Moderator Never attacked you, ur just dalusional
That's between He & I. not some little 16 year old punk such as yourself. & oh, ya, if your gonna insult someone alteast get the spelling right. It's d-e-l-u-s-i-o-n-a-l.

[mthegodfather]

I like the new changes.

[mthegodfather]

It looks alot more like a pontiac with the new front end changes.

[vinterskugge]

I would like it, but RWD ruins every other car I think I might like besides GAs/G6s. I think this one reason GAs are so popular. They are about as sporty as you can get while still being practical and good in all kinds of weather.

[1996v6corsica]

joeyK gets a cookie for being a bigger jerk than me..
moving on
new GTO looks nice.. i like the fact that they gave it more power

if the fact that i bought a foriegn car over a domestic car put some lazy UAW worker in the streets (which i doubt it has) so be it, i wanted a toyota.. thats what i got..
my next car, if it isnt an SRT-4 it will be something foriegn.. unless they fix the gearing on the ION red line.. too tall

[JoeyK]

.... I dunno, don't sell yourself short:lol:

[Prospeeder]

Originally posted by JoeyK
That's between He & I. not some little 16 year old punk such as yourself. & oh, ya, if your gonna insult someone alteast get the spelling right. It's d-e-l-u-s-i-o-n-a-l.
thank u, i needed to know that i spelled a word wrong u dont exactly get on a spelling test in school, and well sorry, im 16! i could say ur some old fogie and probably balding and divorced, but im not gonna

[JoeyK]

Your welcome. For your info. I'm some middle aged punk, yes, divoriced/remarried w/ all my hair. John & I are getting along on the forums just fine since, hate to see this drug up again & again...

[Prospeeder]

really? im afraid im gonna go bald when im older, my moms mom is like losing her hair, her dads blad, my mom like lost a ton of hair so now she has really thin hair, now im pissed cause it comes from ur moms side, and my dads side has NO baldness, stupid genes

[JoeyK]

:lol: It's funny how conversations can drift sometimes. Anyways,... I have a friend who used to have long, thick hair & he suddenly started to go bald so he just shaves his head. I'm so used to it now I don't think anything about it. & it looks good on him. I figured if I ever lose it, I'll shave it too. Nothing worse than seing someone trying to keep what they've got & growing 2 foot hairs to comb over.:lol:

[Prospeeder]

now thats funny lookin!! :)