RSM Strut Tower Brace Group Buy?!

[TheNewLMHDesign]

Amen....just playing. I am fine right now. I am swamped with a new life completely....new job, new girlfriend, new additions to the car (underglow, subs, sound deadening (dynamate)), and college. Not to mention the body kit i keep fixing up and switching around. So these bars aren't doing much, lol. Maybe they'll help when i put the northstar or the 3800 Supercharged, but who knows.

[nice96gt]

GOD, a Northstar would be sweet!

Congrats on all the new additions. I mean these bars are minimal compared to a job, girl or school man. Enjoy it how it comes, and to me it sounds like things are coming pretty damn good! :)

[TheNewLMHDesign]

Yeah, I think I finally hit my nitch. Yeah yeah, getting mooshy here. But this girl has been my best frienf for five years, we know eachother front and back, but we have been waiting to date since I have been going out with this other girl for 2.5 years. But the other day, she went a little coo coo and tried to run me and my NOW gf off the road since her and I (the new gf that is) were going to go see a movie.

Just thought I would add a small weird story in here just to keep things interesting, lol.

And I hope what I just said makes some sense. If it doesnt, I can explain more in depth to amuse you all, lol.

PS- I am not a prick, lol. We dumped eachother a week before i went out with the new gf because all we did was argue all the time. I finally listened to everyone around me telling me she was not good enough for me, and I was not good enough for her (match wise that is), and I know she will find someone better than I. So don't take me to be some egotistical bastard who cheated on my gf, lol.

[nice96gt]

lol...made total senese...would love to hear the whole story for pure amusement...and I know where you're coming from with the ex and friends saying stuff like that...I'm in/was in the same boat. You just get comfortable

It's funny you go out wth someone for 3 years and all of a sudden when things go bad and you break up, with in days...new interests pop up EVERYWHERE! :D

PS- I am not a prick, lol. We dumped eachother a week before i went out with the new gf because all we did was argue all the time. I finally listened to everyone around me telling me she was not good enough for me, and I was not good enough for her (match wise that is), and I know she will find someone better than I. So don't take me to be some egotistical bastard who cheated on my gf, lol.

Didn't think that for one second... :) (well maybe just for one sec...haha ;) )

[TheNewLMHDesign]

It's funny you go out wth someone for 3 years and all of a sudden when things go bad and you break up, with in days...new interests pop up EVERYWHERE!

Haha, naw, I've liked the girl off and on for a few years now. But this girl (now ex) argued and broke up with me all the time.

For the whole story, tune in tommorow. But for now, it's bed time, G'night all.

[TheNewLMHDesign]

Ok, sitting in school really bored so here is the story.

This girl and I have been dating for about three years now. And after about 6 months of dating her we started to argue about every other week. It got really annoying breaking up week after week, but for 2 more years I put up with it. It drove me crazy!

So finally, last week I broke up with her for good. The story is, I was going out with my best friend, and she (gf) went a little psycho.

We were driving to the movie theatre and she decided to follow us. She called me on my cell and got really pissed. So then she tried to hit the back of my car, and I wasn't up for that game, so I slammed my brakes and she almost lost control of the car. She then, after i turned around really fast and lost her, turned around as fast as she could, and cut off a van. She then proceded to chase after me for about 5 minutes until i lost her. She has a civic, yes, but I am in the mid process of changing seats out, and my seat is not mounted, so it was kind of hard to keep it stable, lol.

Snap, teacher is being a bia and telling me to turn it off. I will continue on later with the story. There is really not much left, lol. But you get the general idea.

[Big Joe]

oh man!

[JMILLS]

:whore: Is this a group buy or a .... lol j/k

[TheNewLMHDesign]

Haha, yeah I know. Lol. He just wanted to know the story. Just thought I'd give something to amuse him, lol.

[JMILLS]

No problems here. We all must band together in this time of need. We should support each other to make sure we all survive the awful wait and make it out of this as better people.

[JMILLS]

Anyone else see anything hit their cards yet? I had a preauthorization come through for this comming monday that's roughly the amount I expected RSM to take out $192 (was expecting 194... but who knows with the whole currency thing). Not saying its them (cause I pay no attention to what I spend), just wondering if anyone had the same thing happen.

[Big Joe]

imma go check now

[Big Joe]

nope i have nothin yet

[nice96gt]

I'm paying with cash so I wouldn't know. I called RSM on Friday but there was no answer. I'm going to try back tomorrow and ask about credit card payments. This could be a good sign though. That might be an indication that the bars are ready, or not...Hopefully they are.

[Cmnky16]

yep. they took it out of my account today.

[nice96gt]

I'm getting excited...lol :D

wait, I'm more excited than I already am...

[TheNewLMHDesign]

I'm pissed now. They didn't bother to tell me that they were going to take it out of the account, and needless to say, I had to get gas yesterday. So thanks to them, it over drew me 9 whole freaking dollars, so now i owe the bank 39 F#$#ing dollars thanks to those idiots. I should call them up and B#%#)(* them out for that. It would have been nice to be forwarned. They really just pissed me off big time.

[nice96gt]

Originally posted by TheNewLMHDesign
I'm pissed now. They didn't bother to tell me that they were going to take it out of the account, and needless to say, I had to get gas yesterday. So thanks to them, it over drew me 9 whole freaking dollars, so now i owe the bank 39 F#$#ing dollars thanks to those idiots. I should call them up and B#%#)(* them out for that. It would have been nice to be forwarned. They really just pissed me off big time.

Yeah that does suck. It's funny how out of NO WHERE, the money is being taken out. I still haven't heard a thing about when the will be done, unless they are done already? Wishful thinking I guess. I'm going to try and call tomorrow and see if I can get a hold of Craig.

[TheNewLMHDesign]

Well, if I am pissed when I wake up tommorow Craig is going to hear it from me. But I usually wake up happy, so we'll have to see. Maybe i'll get pissed at work, and THEN let him have it.

[nice96gt]

I would be kind of ticked if I were you too. I would definitely let him know about your situation.

[Ishan]

Granted, we've had to wait alittle bit, but you knew the money would be taken out, and i'm sure you where hoping they'd take the money and send out the bars.. sooo, you really should have made sure to have enough in there.

[cyrrus]

Or you could of sent a money order with the funds, that way you couldn't of spend it instead of sending a check. Oh well, that the way life goes.

[JMILLS]

Come on guys, this guy doesn't need parental advice here... Its something that could have happened to any of us. I agree that we should have been informed before the withdraw was made.

[nice96gt]

Originally posted by JMILLS
Come on guys, this guy doesn't need parental advice here... Its something that could have happened to any of us. I agree that we should have been informed before the withdraw was made.

I know I would have been mad if that happened to me. Something like an email, or even a post on here by RSM should have been done to notify everyone that the payments would be coming out on a specific date. That way there wouldn't be any issues such as this.

[Cmnky16]

yeah, i have most of my money in savings and when i found something i wanted the other day, i bought it making my checking lower that it needed to be, I transfered in enough time though. That would have pissed me off if they would have taken it then.

[TheNewLMHDesign]

Got off the phone with him a little bit ago. He said it wasn't his fault. But luckily the bank was nice enough to take care of it and knock the service charge off, otherwise I would have been more pissed.

[Babalouie]

I've ordered plenty of stuff off of the internet and even phone in to place an order with other companies..........never have i received a phone call or anything saying at this time and date you will be charged/billed. When they do the paper work, they do the paper work. If bought something that's $500, I know to keep atleast $500 for that product. Comprende vous????

[JMILLS]

Jeesh, I don't see why everyone has a problem with this. I fully understand the issue, it's a little different when the payment won't come out for weeks (we are not talking days like a normal order). It would have been the right thing to do for a company to notify a user before charging them in a situation like this. No harm no foul, but I just get confused by some of your opinions...

[TheNewLMHDesign]

Snap Babalouie,
It's just the fact that I have been keeping it in there for about a week and a half now. Expenses do come up, I am sorry. Don't get upset. I understand a few days, but that was 1.5 weeks. Never have I had a company wait that long. Just throws off everything. Bills, Gas Money, etc. Jeez.....snappy.

PS- Thanks for sticking up for me JMills.

[JMILLS]

Hey Man, No prob... I know exactly where you are comming from. Was worried I was gonna be there myself. Had it been a wednesday (day before payday) I woulda been there as well, lol

[Babalouie]

It's done and over with so...........................

[TheNewLMHDesign]

It was....lol. And then you brought it back up....jk. ;)

[Cmnky16]

Originally posted by Babalouie
I've ordered plenty of stuff off of the internet and even phone in to place an order with other companies..........never have i received a phone call or anything saying at this time and date you will be charged/billed. When they do the paper work, they do the paper work. If bought something that's $500, I know to keep atleast $500 for that product. Comprende vous????
If i had to keep $500 in an account for a month, never knowing when they were going to take it that would really piss me off. I think that is about how long it took. That is rediculous. sometimes you just think well, its not out yet so whats the chance it will be out tomorrow, i'll just make a deposit tomorrow. You shouldn't have to guess. I have never had an order take more than 2 or 3 days to process.

[Big Joe]

im just glad to see some progress

[Ishan]

now I have problems, they just charged me 214.50 dollars, it was suppose to be around 160.

hell.. even if i got them at regular price, it wouldn't be up to 215, wtf is with this? how much where other people charged for 2 bars for 99+

[JMILLS]

Yeah, by my math you shoulda been charged 149....

[TheNewLMHDesign]

Yeah, they withdrew alot more than that.....hmmm....something fishy.

[nice96gt]

All I have to say is...look at ther website. It currently says...

All STB prices are the same price for all years. (92-98 & 99+)

US - $80/bar
CAN - $100/bar

take off the 25% discount

US - $60/bar
CAN - $75/bar

for 2 bars

US - $120
CAN - $150

plus taxes and shipping (if applicable)...

No one ordering 1 or 2 STB's should be paying over $202.50! The most it should cost is $202.50 Canadian (2 bars+15% tax+$30 shipping). Not sure what the exchange to US would be... Something around $170 (for all the listed above).

All of these #'s are straight off of their website.

[JMILLS]

I think the prices have changed recently... but they have gotten lower. When I paid, the price was 90 each

[nice96gt]

Shouldn't matter. If the prices change before they even make the product, they SHOULD change what they charged you accordingly.

[JMILLS]

Should.... but didnt in my case at least.

[nice96gt]

How much did you end up paying? Just curious?

[JMILLS]

90 + 90 + 40 (Motor Mount) = 220
- 25% on all items = 165
+ 29$ shipping = 194

I was charged 192 (which I assume is jsut because of fluctuations in the exchange rate). If it had been 80, I woulda paid 179

[nice96gt]

Oh well, I guess it's only $13...But still, $13 is $13

[JMILLS]

Yeah Im not complaining. Just letting people know what I got, to compare. Craig gave me 25% off the mount too, so I am happy.

[Ishan]

I callec Craig.. said he'd get back to me today to let me know, still a very helpful guy.

[JMILLS]

Craig is an awesome guy, as I was telling anothe GAOC'er last night, I don't think this is the company trying to screw anyone, just a little mistake here and there.

[nice96gt]

Originally posted by JMILLS
Craig is an awesome guy, as I was telling anothe GAOC'er last night, I don't think this is the company trying to screw anyone, just a little mistake here and there.

I agree totally. Craig was telling me that they didn't expect the numbers they got and with the move it just made things more difficult. Craig is a great guy and he's trying to accomodate everyone that he can, which I think is awesome. It's nice to know what to expect from him when you call.

[ironian]

now that RSM has our money any word on the ship date??

[nice96gt]

Nope, not yet :D

[JMILLS]

:cuss: No Word.... No Word....No Word!

Is that because nobody has called, or did they take our money out of the blue without product ready to ship?

[mthegodfather]

Hopefully we will reciave them very shortly.

[JMILLS]

Well I am willing to call and get answers, but I don't want to if someone else already has. No need to harass them.

[Big Joe]

ahhh i want mt bar i want it now im flippin out goin insane bar bar bar bar!!!!!!!

[nice96gt]

I called them yesterday. You'll get the same answer if you call today tomorrow or probably even Friday, which is they aren't ready. The move and large quantity of bars ordered has put them back and they can not guarantee a date when they will be available. Craig told me that they will do their best to get them done as soon as they can. They wouldn't take out money and not ship them for a month so I'm sure it will be relatively soon.

[Babalouie]

Craig is a great guy. IF you guys ever have a problem/concern/question, Craig will go out of his way to help you in a nice honest manner. I've seen him help some people big time and he did it because he wanted to and likes too. If RSM made a boo boo, just call Craig and address the boo boo to him and he will fix the problem a.s.a.p. If you don't call him, it can't be solved! By the way, there was a huge huge..........did I mention huge order of strut bars before this group order that kinda wiped them out of inventory. Don't worry, we haven't been forgotten. And like I said, now that I have a group order system developed with them, the next future orders will have new rules (nothing bad) which will get everything organized, paid and shipped a.s.a.p. cus I love you guys!!! hahaha :)

[cyrrus]

just curious bobby, by chance do you have an appr eta when the bars might be shipped out. I'm in no hurry, just curious.

[Babalouie]

I'll be talking with Craig probably tommorow, so I hope I can get an update. I think one of the group orders I did is complete.

[Dragonwings]

First off, I would like to say thanks for organizing this again.

Second, I believe everything Babalouie said about Craig is true.

Third, I have had many unexpected expenses come up over this extended limbo period (Hurricane Frances - Screw you.), and still did not cancel my order because I made a commitment that many weeks ago.

Fourth, I am very disappointed that RSM has charged credit cards and made withdrawals before shipping the product. One or two day grace period sure, but I was told that the credit cards were processed this past weekend, and four days later, there is no estimated ship date.

I realize they are processing orders and had a larger order come in before ours. That's understandable. Charging a credit card with not even an estimated ship date isn't my idea of good business, especially if they are still manufacturing the bars.

Just my opinion.

[Babalouie]

No problemo! I'm always here to help. I think I have an explanation for your forth comment. The reason why they process the credit cards before the shipping the product is for 2 reasons. If you ship out the product without payment, then you just got yourself a free bar! Second reason has to do with the whole group discount. Everyone on the list must be paid before bars are shipped, this prevents "fake lists". For example, someone could submit a group purchase list for a Supercharger, get the discount and pay right away.........Now, the rest of the people don't even exist, and RSM has gave you a discount that was intended for a minimum of 10 sold units. You got the discount, and RSM didn't get the customers promised. Know what I mean???

[Big Joe]

we should all get good feedback for ths on the new trader rating ;)

[Dragonwings]

Originally posted by Babalouie
If you ship out the product without payment, then you just got yourself a free bar!

Second reason has to do with the whole group discount. Everyone on the list must be paid before bars are shipped, this prevents "fake lists".

Those are perfectly great reasons to charge before shipping. If you were to charge for those reasons, you would have the product on hand ready to ship. You charge the people, when it's accepted, and the minimum purchase quantity is reached... You ship them. Since everyone called in with their payment information, this processing and charging could be verified in one day. Product ships within a couple of days at the absolute most.

That scenario is vastly different from a company charging everyone six days ago with no product to ship, and even worse, not even a projected ship date, which will imminently be over a weeks time between charging and shipping. Furthermore, this prevents a company from charging a customer and having to deal with very bad public relations if unforeseen delays in production arise.

I hope you understand that I'm really not a bit.ching and whining type of person. I run a business as well, and understand the precautions a business must take to maintain profitability. However, I am also a customer with certain expectations, who does research on a business's feedback. You will find one of the most common complaints against a company is charging when out of stock and backordered.

I am grateful to have received a wonderful discount on the STBs, but it shouldn't have to be at the sacrifice of good business practices.

Also please note that my comments are directed at the PROCEDURE being used, not the Company or Craig. Craig seems like an incredibly helpful representative of RSM, and RSM is obviously customer oriented if they were willing to allow us to set-up a group buy of this magnitude.

At this point, I'm just hoping I get to put in my STBs before my car gets crushed by a damn tree. (All of us Floridians are on edge from the barrage of hurricanes, please excuse the mess.)

[Babalouie]

true true. we can go back and forth. But atleast this gives me a chance to take feedback so that I can have the perfect system. I have to learn from any errors made.

[Ishan]

erm.. *cough* i just wanted to say.. called up craig.. told him i was over charged, he's still a very helpful guy, got an email from them the next day and they credited my credit card for the difference.. :)

[TheNewLMHDesign]

Anyone have any clue if they are ready yet?

[nice96gt]

Nope, they aren't ready yet. I was at RSM on Friday and met with Craig. We have to give them a little more time. Trust me when I say this, they are doing the best they can to get them completed since there have been a few kinks along the way. Soon though, soon. :)

[Big Joe]

ahh man......luckily there have been a few other mods i've been doin to my car that has cept my strut bar rage to a minimum but it will only hold me over for a little while longer then imma blow

[mthegodfather]

Ive been real busy aswell. But im starting to get impatient again.

[Babalouie]

Hello peeps, I was at RSM today. I just happenend to look at one of the tables near one of their machines and I seen something interesting...................................I SH*T load of strut tower plates. It looked like front and rear plates for strut tower bars!!!!! The bars are 95% complete! They started to order, and almost have the order completed. Babalouie is good!!

[nice96gt]

Originally posted by Babalouie
Hello peeps, I was at RSM today. I just happenend to look at one of the tables near one of their machines and I seen something interesting...................................I SH*T load of strut tower plates. It looked like front and rear plates for strut tower bars!!!!! The bars are 95% complete! They started to order, and almost have the order completed. Babalouie is good!!

ARE YOU SERIOUS!? Man, when Craig says he's gonna try to get things done, he isn't kidding. Thanks for the info Bobby! I sent you a PM!

[Big Joe]

ahhhhh good news.............good news

[TheNewLMHDesign]

Haha....dangit. Now its going to interupt my fiberglassing schedule. Lol. I didnt want to wait for the struts anymore, so I just started doing the fiberglass work on the interior and the trunk, lol. I guess I can postpone the trunk a little more and focus on the interior until the struts get here so I can lay the fiberglass subwoofer setup in front of the strut.

Well, either way, thanks for the update. I am pumped about it!

[mthegodfather]

Its good to finally get some good news.

[Dragonwings]

I just wanted to followup on my previous posts.

In a personal, unsolicitated email, Craig from RSM gave me an update a few days ago keeping me informed on the status of the bars, which was more than enough to aleve my initial "we'll call it 'unease'" for lack of a better word.

RSM, which for me is Craig for all sakes and purposes, seems to be a stand up company which is doing everything it can to fulfill a large order with a quality product. (although I still stand by my opinion on pre-charging)

Anyway, RSM/Craig's email to comfort one man's whining is more than enough for me to say, Yippie Skippy. RSM is cool.

Just wanted to give them a fair shake.

btw, I really needed some nice attention. After sending a 3 paragraph email to FedEx about a shipment they screwed up for me, I received a canned email with the tracking information from their website pasted into it. Thank you FedEx for not reading my email explaining how your own personnel admitted to screwing up, and not doing anything about it.

[Big Joe]

^Fed-Ex sucks. i too have bad experiences witht them

[cyrrus]

hey dragonwings was it fedex courier or fedex frieght. there actully two different devision that do not like each other. we use fedex freight as out american conterpart for our shipment to the states. I'm sorry to hear about the bad experience with them. I work for a courier company(not fedex) in Canada.

[TheNewLMHDesign]

Any updates?

[nice96gt]

All I'm going to say is it SHOULD be a few more days or so ;)

...but don't quote me on that :D

[mthegodfather]

I really hope so.

[Big Joe]

Originally posted by mthegodfather
I really hope so.

:agree:

[Gimli]

Originally posted by Babalouie
Hello peeps, I was at RSM today. I just happenend to look at one of the tables near one of their machines and I seen something interesting...................................I SH*T load of strut tower plates. It looked like front and rear plates for strut tower bars!!!!! The bars are 95% complete! They started to order, and almost have the order completed. Babalouie is good!!

Did you also happen to see a set of front and rear sway bars for a 99+ GA? I've been waiting three months for mine. I'm just about ready to call the credit card company and have the charge reversed...

[TheNewLMHDesign]

Agree with Gimili.

[nice96gt]

Originally posted by Gimli
Did you also happen to see a set of front and rear sway bars for a 99+ GA? I've been waiting three months for mine. I'm just about ready to call the credit card company and have the charge reversed...

I would call the toll free # and talk to Craig. He'll straighten things out for you.

[TheNewLMHDesign]

Ok.....the last order was place on 08-23-2004, and wow...to my surprise, its freaking 9-28-2004......I mean come on.......it doesnt take that long to get pieces of metal together. Especially for this order, no way in hell are these things that complicated. I'm going to call the bank in two days if they haven't been shipped, and get my money back.

[TheNewLMHDesign]

By the way, what was everyones total (in the US), mine ended up being 181.28. Is that right?

[JMILLS]

I know that sounds drastic, but I feel that same way at this point. I don't like having my money out there and I think that RSM should be communicating with the Buyers, not through "he said, she said, I saw....".

[nice96gt]

I agree with you two in the sense that is would be frustrating having the money been taken with not much progress. I live right near RSM so I haven't paid any money yet since I will be paying when I go to pick up my bars, maybe this is why I'm not as stressed out as you guys are.

I was at RSM a week and a half ago and met with Craig. He explained to me that because of the move they were behind and that they would do their best to complete this order. He then showed me the machine shop where everything takes place. They were still waiting on a couple of machines to come in so they could continue with making the plates. The bars were there and everything was on hold until the plates are done. Last Thursday I talked to Craig on the phone and told me that everything was almost complete. I personally don't know how much longer it will be but hopefully within the next week. I know it is hard since it's not my money, but please try to become too hostile towards Craig/RSM. If you had met up with him like I did, you would have a different opinion on the matter, trust me. Bobby is also doing his best so don't take it out on him. He can only do so much and the rest is out of his control. I am just saying this because I want to see this go over smoothly, even though there have been a few bumps in the road. If everyone can hold on for just a little bit longer, things will be completed soon. :)

[JMILLS]

I am not going to "hostile" but at this point I am planning on contacting Craig/RSM and explaining that I don't believe that a company should do business like this. All we ever hear is "blah blah blah, sometime soon hopefully" which really doesn't help. When I purchase items that cost hundreds of dollars, I expect some sort of contact back from the company, with status, expected ship dates etc. I paid 2 weeks ago and haven't heard so much as an order confirmation from RSM.

[nice96gt]

Originally posted by JMILLS
I am not going to "hostile" but at this point I am planning on contacting Craig/RSM and explaining that I don't believe that a company should do business like this. All we ever hear is "blah blah blah, sometime soon hopefully" which really doesn't help. When I purchase items that cost hundreds of dollars, I expect some sort of contact back from the company, with status, expected ship dates etc. I paid 2 weeks ago and haven't heard so much as an order confirmation from RSM.


I think you should contact Craig and talk to him, he may help to justify some of these issues. I totally agree with you about communication. I think that it's a key part when purchasing something, and especially through the internet. It's extremely important when you are trusting someone with a credit card or whatever. I would have expected some kind of confirmation other than on here if I were in your position also. 2 weeks is along time especially since it's such a large amount of $. It's easier for me since I could just show up and resolve any issues, but I would definitely call up Craig and talk to him. He will straighten anything out for you.

[Ishan]

I was under the impression that RSM wasn't going to charge anyone till the order was ready to ship. I don't remember if that was said on here, or if thats what Craig told me over the phone.

Am I the only one who heard that?

[JMILLS]

Nope... I was told the exact same thing. That was Strike one

[Ishan]

Just on that alone, i'm pretty angry, when they took out the money, i though awesome we're getting the bars soon! and they STILL arnt ready?

so yeah, why did they charge us before they where ready.

[Dragonwings]

Originally posted by cyrrus
hey dragonwings was it fedex courier or fedex frieght. there actully two different devision that do not like each other. we use fedex freight as out american conterpart for our shipment to the states. I'm sorry to hear about the bad experience with them. I work for a courier company(not fedex) in Canada.

Sorry for the delay, I've been out of power from the hurricane. I've actually taken my computer and such to my sister's house about 200 miles away because I won't have power for at least another week. Crashing there for a while.

I have no idea which Fed Ex it was. I think it was Fed Ex Ground, but not sure if it's courier or freight. They have treated me like crap in addressing a problem that their people created. Never using them again.

On another note, Kudos to www.overstock.com. They IMMEDIATELY corrected the problem even though it was FedEx's fault and not their's. Sent me a replacement item at their cost without any hassle to me. Even said that if the original order shows up, I can keep it. How's that for service?

You can lose a customer forever, and you can earn a customer forever.

[cyrrus]

Hey this isn't so bad. I was on another group buy for my CAI and that took almost 3 months. Hey It's the way group buy work. first you have to pay for the product. then they have to make it(or order it) to the proper numbers. then they have to ship it. Well the only thing that really was out of the ordinairy was the moving buildings. I mean that could of been told to us, that this might cause a delay. Hey, I mean at least RSM is a reputal company. So there like no worries of "take the money and run" syndrome. Oh well It's 1 am and I have to head to work.

[JMILLS]

Originally posted by cyrrus
Hey this isn't so bad. I was on another group buy for my CAI and that took almost 3 months. Hey It's the way group buy work. first you have to pay for the product. then they have to make it(or order it) to the proper numbers. then they have to ship it. Well the only thing that really was out of the ordinairy was the moving buildings. I mean that could of been told to us, that this might cause a delay. Hey, I mean at least RSM is a reputal company. So there like no worries of "take the money and run" syndrome. Oh well It's 1 am and I have to head to work.

Man, I think some people aren't following what happening here. If I was told when I made my payment that it would be a few months, then sure... I would have no problems.

When I paid I was told that the only thing that they were waiting for was everyone to pay before they could "ship" the items, not make them.

I was also told that they would not charge me until they were ready to "ship".

And lastly, RSM has made no efforts to contact the buyers to let them know anything. I hate having to repeat myself, but some people think that we are upset that its taking so long and that isn't even 10% of the problem here.

[cyrrus]

Then I do understand were your coming from, totally.

[nice96gt]

Originally posted by JMILLS
...but some people think that we are upset that its taking so long and that isn't even 10% of the problem here.

Not to come across ignorant but I hope you're not refereing to me. I'm just trying to help justify the situation. I understand 100% as to why you're frustrated. I wouldn't be happy with the way things have gone either.

The only reason that I could see RSM charging you the $ before making the bars is so they would be guaranteed that everyone on the list is definitely going through with it. I'm sure they don't want to make 35 bars and find out that only 10 end up being bought.

I also haven't paid attention to when or what shipping details were mentioned since I'm picking mine up. I'm also paying cash when I go so I don't have the $ withdrawl issue. Since my payment and pick-up method is different from yours, I haven't really followed the details on what was said or when. I'm sure you are right when it comes to these problems, but like I said before, I would call and talk to Craig, maybe he can answer your questions/problems.

[JMILLS]

No I was not referring to you, just to the people who say stuff like "I dont know why you guys are complaining..."

[TheNewLMHDesign]

One Day. Then going to the bank. Not dealing with this anymore. Bad business.

[nice96gt]

Originally posted by JMILLS
No I was not referring to you, just to the people who say stuff like "I dont know why you guys are complaining..."

OK! Just making sure. :D

[Babalouie]

Are you guys all going to be in Albany next year?? I hope cus apparently I met most of you guys, but I remember you guys by face and not nickname. In order to improve this group buy system, you have to send me the pro's and cons. This will help better the both the consumer and the supplier. Since I will be hosting more group buys, I'd appreciate the feedback from you guys. This is/and is going to be by system, and not RSM's. I take responsiblity for the people ( you guys) and for the company (RSM). Yes, the middle man!!!!!! yay. So if you want to say the system sucks.............(which I hope u don't cus then I won't get your bar sent to you haha just kidd'n forget I said that) don't blame RSM, I'll take the heat for it. And blame me for giving them a 200+ bars group purchase before this one that helped put them behind! So send me the feedback! And when I see you guys at Albany, we'll all have a couple beers and shoot the shit!! take care guys.

[JMILLS]

You know, I really don't think this is anyones "fault". I am a business man and I have a very high expectation of anyone who I do business with. Sometimes people and companies don't give the 110% that I expect, but what this really all comes down to is 1 thing. "Communication is the key!" the customer (us) needs to be kept informed of everything that is happening or going to happen by the company (RSM). Order Confirmations, Invoices and Order Status Updates are all things that should have been made available. I have never paid for something by credit card before and not gotten at least a confirmation. Heck, I don't even know if my order is right at this time... all I know is what my bank tells me.

I have a lot of feedback about this particular group buy, but I think its all been said many times in this thread. Clear prices, Let us know when we are going to be charged, give us actual shipping deadlines, etc etc etc.

and yes I was in Albany and will be every year :D

[Babalouie]

Cool, those are some points that I will keep. Confirmation, dates, etc. good good

[nice96gt]

UPDATE: I just talked to Craig, and he told me that all of the 99+ bars have been completed. The 92-98 bars won't be completed until next week sometime.

[TheNewLMHDesign]

Goodness....... disappointing.

[nice96gt]

Originally posted by TheNewLMHDesign
Goodness....... disappointing.

Sorry dude. I wish I had better news, for our GA's that is. :(

[JMILLS]

I bet if they didn't have our money yet it would be going a lot quicker. At this point there is no incentive for them to actually get these done!

[TheNewLMHDesign]

I bet if they didn't have our money yet it would be going a lot quicker. At this point there is no incentive for them to actually get these done!
Couldn't agree with you more.

[Babalouie]

Originally posted by JMILLS
I bet if they didn't have our money yet it would be going a lot quicker.


I dissagree 100%.

[nice96gt]

They don't have my money...and they're not going any faster...lol :P

[JMILLS]

Well that's great that you disagree with us, but that doesn't help the situation. It gets a little annoying that everyone is praising RSM and nobody is trying to get things taken care of. I saved what $50 for this group buy and now I have been waiting, been lied to, gotten stressed out and had money taken from me unexpectedly and still have no product and no solid idea on when I will ever get it.... doesn't seem worth it to me anymore. And then for the group buy organizer to come on the boards and say "I disagree 100%" with our concerns... this is unbelievable.

oh and 96, thats really great and all that you didn't have to pay yet, but its a little annoying hearing it all the time.

[nice96gt]

Originally posted by JMILLS
oh and 96, thats really great and all that you didn't have to pay yet, but its a little annoying hearing it all the time.

Well I'm really sorry if it bothers you. It'll never be mentioned again. :D

[JMILLS]

Sorry if you think I am being an ass, but this whole transaction is really wearing on my nerves. among other things

[Babalouie]

Originally posted by JMILLS
Well And then for the group buy organizer to come on the boards and say "I disagree 100%" with our concerns... this is unbelievable.



I didn't say that I disagree with all of you're concerns. I just didn't agree with that comment. I'm trying my best to help get these bars out a.s.a.p. I am at the shop everyother day and I see the status of the order. Believe me when I say they are trying their best to complete the order. I'm not using this as an excuse but RSM does not have 15 guys working on some crazy assembly line. And the bars don't take 1 day to make. Not making accuses of trying to "attack you", just bringing that up. I have been taking everyones concerns to consideration to help make this situation and future group buys for the best of everyone. I have also taken a lot of comments to heart. I don't want to be on bad terms with anyone, and I hope people aren't holding me resposnible for anything that they disagree with. (I'm not saying that you are blaming me), I just hope that people think that anything that is negative is my fault.

[nice96gt]

Originally posted by JMILLS
Sorry if you think I am being an ass, but this whole transaction is really wearing on my nerves. among other things

I personally don't think you are and I know you're ticked off. I'm not taking anything to heart because there's no point. I could be just as ticked off as evereyone else, but it's not worth getting all stressed out about, but that's only MY opinion, I know you may feel different about it. It's funny because when you look at the people who have been in this discussion for the last little while, it only includes about 1/3 of the people included in the group buy. Where is everyone else? lol...do they not care? :)

[Big Joe]

oh man i cant wait for my bar i just havent said anything in a while because it was getting kinda hostil in here. I didnt wanna get caught in the cross fire but i do check into this thread at least once or twice a day

[nice96gt]

Originally posted by Big Joe5313
oh man i cant wait for my bar i just havent said anything in a while because it was getting kinda hostil in here. I didnt wanna get caught in the cross fire but i do check into this thread at least once or twice a day

yeah I know you do. I do agree it did get pretty hot...lol maybe I should stay away till it's over too. :D

[TheNewLMHDesign]

I started my Stratara and xanax again to day :) So Hopefully no more outbursts, lol.

[nice96gt]

Originally posted by TheNewLMHDesign
I started my Stratara and xanax again to day :) So Hopefully no more outbursts, lol.

We all have to let it out somewhere, otherwise it would just be unhealthy. :D

[TheNewLMHDesign]

Haha. I do let me anger out somewhere, thats why I have a lovely little thing called 3 speeding tickets, and a lovely little trip to prison for an overnight a few weeks ago. But we don't let the people on here know that now, do we, lol.
Let's just say, when someone does something to your good friend that was uncalled for.....lets just say......the guy has to wear goggles if he wants to keep bugs from flying in his eyes when he is driving....lol. I guess anger gets the best of you sometimes, and ya just snap....ehh, we all learn.

[nice96gt]

Originally posted by TheNewLMHDesign
Haha. I do let me anger out somewhere, thats why I have a lovely little thing called 3 speeding tickets, and a lovely little trip to prison for an overnight a few weeks ago. But we don't let the people on here know that now, do we, lol.
Let's just say, when someone does something to your good friend that was uncalled for.....lets just say......the guy the guy has to wear goggles if he wants to keep bugs from flying in his eyes when he is driving....lol. I guess anger gets the best of you sometimes, and ya just snap....ehh, we all learn.

lol...I think I've grown out of doing that kind of stuff. :D Not that I wouldn't back a friend up, but I just can't be going to jail for smashing anything ;). Too many people fight with weapons now a days rather than their fists, and you'll never really know who you're getting into it with. Unfortunatly I had a friend pass away recently because he was stabbed in the stomach and bled to death. All over something stupid. Just something to think about. Make sure it's worth it before you step up. Glad you took care of business though! :uzi: lol.

[TheNewLMHDesign]

Haha. I took up the bat to the car because.......A. I dont want to go to jail for assault. B. I was pissed beyond belief.....it wasn't just that, it was alot of stuff. C. I dont think my fist could shatter a car window....lol.
And no. I am not saying I am superman, lol. I am not week, but then again I am not strong either. I am just me.
But you are right, it's time to get over these anger spirts and just grow up. I have to start sometime....can't be a kid my entire life. Otherwise this crap is going to get me know where.

Anyways, no more of that stuff, lol. Why do you guys think it's taking so long for the struts? Minus the fact that the machines were moved to the new building?

[nice96gt]

Originally posted by TheNewLMHDesign
Haha. I took up the bat to the car because.......A. I dont want to go to jail for assault. B. I was pissed beyond belief.....it wasn't just that, it was alot of stuff. C. I dont think my fist could shatter a car window....lol.
And no. I am not saying I am superman, lol. I am not week, but then again I am not strong either. I am just me.
But you are right, it's time to get over these anger spirts and just grow up. I have to start sometime....can't be a kid my entire life. Otherwise this crap is going to get me know where.

Anyways, no more of that stuff, lol. Why do you guys think it's taking so long for the struts? Minus the fact that the machines were moved to the new building?

I can see how that would be an outlet...good thing he didn't do it to your car! :eek:

About the bars though...I really couldn't tell you. I was in the shop and saw the bars and stuff. This whole waiting process has been on the mounting plates. They are creating them from scratch. I think there's only 1 or 2 people who work on the bars so it will take longer than just running them through a cnc machine or having 10 people working on them. Otherwise they could do them in a day. I wish I could have said that they were done earlier, but the 99+ seem to get their stuff before us older gen cars...always been that way. I don't know why...

[TheNewLMHDesign]

I can see how that would be an outlet...good thing he didn't do it to your car!
HAHAHAHAHAHA.........sorry, just found that extremely funny. You haven't seen my car lately have you? lol. I dont think anyone would have noticed the difference, lol.

My Car (http://www.gaownersclub.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=32556)

[nice96gt]

HOLY CRAP! I guess you would find that funny since your car is ripped apart. Funny, I must have missed that post. :D I love the colour of your car! I've always liked baby blue. It's gonna be sick when it's done. If you don't do an engine swap...get going on a CAI! lol

Yeah, I guess you're right, the guy would have felt sorry for ya and hit his own car to make you feel better... :lol: j/k

[nice96gt]

Here's a quick baby blue colour change...I could go for this... :D

http://www.geocities.com/ryangfranklin/bb2.jpg

[cyrrus]

hey I have a 99+ and I'm waiting just like you guy's.

[nice96gt]

Originally posted by cyrrus
hey I have a 99+ and I'm waiting just like you guy's.

Yeah I know, but the 99+ bars have been completed. The 92-98 are still being made. Not that I am REALLY complaining. We'll get them soon. :)

[Big Joe]

haha u 99+ guys are waiting for us older boys to be finished. Thats a little ironic i guess

[cyrrus]

HEy guy's I'm calling craig tomorrow at rsm and gonna cancel my shipment. The wife found out(nah just joking). Were selling the ga and goinna buy a g6. Just need something for the future.(maybe thewife pregnant, nah just jokin) need something different.

[JMILLS]

Let us know how that goes with RSM. I too have been working with the thought of selling the GA (Another reason why this delay has sucked).

[TheNewLMHDesign]

Wonder if they are going to give your money back cyrrus or just say "tough luck"

[Big Joe]

Originally posted by TheNewLMHDesign
Wonder if they are going to give your money back cyrrus or just say "tough luck"



yeah i wonder :???:

[nice96gt]

I'm sure they'll take care of him. :)



Bobby, sent you a PM!

[nice96gt]

Originally posted by cyrrus
HEy guy's I'm calling craig tomorrow at rsm and gonna cancel my shipment. The wife found out(nah just joking). Were selling the ga and goinna buy a g6. Just need something for the future.(maybe thewife pregnant, nah just jokin) need something different.

There is someone who may be interested in taking your place since you have to back out (you have a good reason too, enjoy the G6!!! :) ). If you talked to Craig already, how did things go? If not, mention that someone may be interested in taking your place. Let me know.

[cyrrus]

Well I did talk to Craig. This is the situation. There a 25% restocking fee. I could actully sell them and get my money back, around here. Craig also meantion that they might( that a big might). fit the new g6 So I will wait to see. The wife and I are going to order the G6 tomorrow. 6 to 8 week wait.(bkah). And were hoping for the panaramic sunroof.

[Cmnky16]

all i want for christmas is my rsm strut bar. Hehe, are they ever gonna come. sometimes i just forget it is coming. It was so long ago.

[TheNewLMHDesign]

yeah, it'll be around then once we get them, lol. It's getting sad :(

[Big Joe]

dam man i dont even think about these bars anymore i just put them out of my mind

[TheNewLMHDesign]

I dont really care about the bars, its the $$$ I care about. And how it feels like it was just "stolen" persay from me.

[ironian]

I find it funny if we cancel our order we have to pay a restocking fee. If the items were in stock wouldn't we have them by now?? Its funny to pay a restocking fee for something that isn't in stock!!

[JMILLS]

Yeah, "restocking" fees generally cover the costs to return the item to the condition that it is before it was shipped. Where this item has not been shipped you are entitled to a 100% refund, no matter what the company says. If you paid via credit card, they will back you on this. You are not returning an order, you are cancelling an order.

[JMILLS]

I called RSM myself today and spoke with Craig and got enough information to keep me happy.

99+: As we know these are complete and ready to ship.

96-98's: Fronts are complete, rear plates have been cut and are awaiting welding. This will begin on Monday and I have been told they will be complete by Friday at the latest!

Hopefully they hold to this information, but I am just glad to have a date!

[TheNewLMHDesign]

92-95.....?

[ironian]

I doubt anything will be getting done on Monday because it is Thanksgiving. Also they have given us many dates and have they came through on any of them?? I doubt we will get these by Christmas!!

[mthegodfather]

All I want for Christmas is my 2 strut bars.

[TheNewLMHDesign]

By the time i get them, the engine will probably already be dead, lol.

[mthegodfather]

Yeah same here.

[TheNewLMHDesign]

......................................... Lets spell it all together now
R-i-d-i-c-u-l-o-u-s

[mthegodfather]

Yeah this is getting out of hand.

[TheNewLMHDesign]

I will give it till monday, and then its time to contact the bank and RSM.

[mthegodfather]

Im thinking about it myself.

[Dragonwings]

sigh.

thinking about it makes my ass twitch...

so I try not to.

[mthegodfather]

I would be scared if thinking about large bars made my ass twitch.

[Dragonwings]

Originally posted by mthegodfather
I would be scared if thinking about large bars made my ass twitch.

LMAO.. see that's why I trying not to think about it....

*twitch* *twitch*

[SPECIALGAGT]

Put me on for my '96 GAGT 3.1, front only. Price first please.

[TheNewLMHDesign]

Put me on for my '96 GAGT 3.1, front only. Price first please.

Sorry to tell you this, but this group buy ended about 2 months ago.

[nice96gt]

Originally posted by TheNewLMHDesign
92-95.....?

BTW Lee...the bars are for 92-98 so yours is in with the rest of ours. :D

Originally posted by SPECIALGAGT
Put me on for my '96 GAGT 3.1, front only. Price first please.

Just so you know, this group buy was finalized a long time ago. You can still get strut bars through RSM, but not through this group buy. Sorry...

[Big Joe]

i need bar

[TheNewLMHDesign]

Yeah, you are right, they are all the same sorry. But does not everyone agree with me that this is getting way out of hand?

[Babalouie]

i was there today, lots of bars have been shipped out.

[nice96gt]

...and Bobby saves the day! :D

[JMILLS]

Originally posted by Babalouie
i was there today, lots of bars have been shipped out.

Im thinking 99+? Lots of bars isn't "all the bars". Not really trying to make more trouble, but too many times have we been hit with very general statements that make us think our stuff is comming, when its not.

[ironian]

When I called to confirm way back when the guy I talked to said they would be shipped out that friday and that was months and months ago. Also I gave him my email address so he could email me and tell me when the payment would be processed (never happened) and also to give me a tracking number (probably won't happen). I will be surprised if I get this before the new year.

[TheNewLMHDesign]

You know, it is getting really pathetic. A company I work for can produce a 8' by 8' model, fully detailed, all completely from scratch, in less time than these people can repetitively make something that they have been making for a while. I mean, what is there deal? Seriously, they have till Monday, and then it’s done. And if they try to pull the restocking fee, they can speak to my lawyer because they haven’t even been produced yet, more or less shipped out to even have to be “restocked.” Never again will I buy anything from them. This just sucks. And unlike Jmills, I am trying to cause trouble.

We've been lied to and misdirected way to long, and it's getting out of hand.

[Gimli]

After speaking with both Craig and Nelson about my SWAY bars they still don't have a due date for the rear one so I've asked them to cancel the order. No sense in getting only a front bar or anything really now that winter is just around the corner.

That's over three months after my CC has been charged. Hopefully I won't have too much of a problem getting them to refund my CC. They've never initiated a contact with me either. I've always had to call or email to get feedback.

I have been less than impressed with how things are run over at RSM. One would think that after so long in the business they'd have some sort of customer service process figured out...

Hopefully you guys are luckier than I was...

[nice96gt]

Originally posted by ironian
When I called to confirm way back when the guy I talked to said they would be shipped out that friday and that was months and months ago. Also I gave him my email address so he could email me and tell me when the payment would be processed (never happened) and also to give me a tracking number (probably won't happen). I will be surprised if I get this before the new year.

If they are mailing them out now, you will get yours soon, especially since you are in Ontario. Everyone else will get theirs soon also. I have to wait like everyone else and I'm picking mine up, so stop complaining already. Sorry if I sounded like an ******* there, but I'm kinda tired of everyone complaining constantly. It's not going to make them come any faster...

[TheNewLMHDesign]

Nope, same as you so far. It's amazing....they probably spend more money and time on there grand am than they do on these bars. They probably just charged our credit cards, and made something new and fancy for there toy.

[nice96gt]

Originally posted by Gimli
After speaking with both Craig and Nelson about my SWAY bars they still don't have a due date for the rear one so I've asked them to cancel the order..........

Still no luck with your sway bars? That sucks man.

[TheNewLMHDesign]

LETS FIGHT Boy....you know who you are. I'll just use my car instead of the struts since i'll never get em' ;)

[Jscarano13]

I GOT MINE TODAY Wohoo sorry to rub it in

[JMILLS]

Tired of hearing everyone complain... then exercise your right to not read this thread! Something is not happening right here and this is our venue to talk to each other and the organizers to get things straigtend around.

[mthegodfather]

I havent seen mine yet.

[nice96gt]

Originally posted by TheNewLMHDesign
LETS FIGHT Boy....you know who you are. I'll just use my car instead of the struts since i'll never get em' ;)

hahaha...well you better be able to take it then...lol ;) (enjoy the semi-custom smiley face)

[Big Joe]

ahhh man i cant wait

[JMILLS]

Got mine... front and rear for the 92-98 series by UPS today!!! So I would expect that everyone should be recieving them soon.
http://www.ctel.net/~jmills/STRUT.JPG

Notice your order may vary. I picked up a couple extra items.

[nice96gt]

Originally posted by JMILLS
Got mine... front and rear for the 92-98 series by UPS today!!! So I would expect that everyone should be recieving them soon.

Notice your order may vary. I picked up a couple extra items.

That's awesome. :D I also got mine and will hopefully have some pics up tonight.

[mthegodfather]

Havent gotten mine yet.

[Babalouie]

I got mine 4 years ago! That was my first mod to my car!!

[TheNewLMHDesign]

Anyone else get theres yet? S-A-D

[Dragonwings]

Nope. But JMILLS is in Maine, much closer to ship origin.

I'm in Florida, further away. It'll be my luck they got the count of the bars wrong, and I have to go four more years without them.

I was told by rsm that I would get an email w/ tracking number as well. I haven't gotten one, so maybe mine hasn't shipped anyway.

At this point, I really don't care. They've had my money for OVER A MONTH. Any *****ing is pointless, and I'm all cried out. I'll get'em when they show up at my door. Hopefully, there won't be a hurricane coming through to blow them away.

Thanks for the pic JMILLS. They do look shiny.

[JMILLS]

I did not recieve any email with a tracking number either. Mine was shipped Friday, got here monday (not bad for an international shipment).

[iamnotincanada]

I live in FL too... and I just got my email with tracking number today... I'm excited, but its about damn time

[TheNewLMHDesign]

that blows
so you get a tracking number, and you live all the way in florida, and i live in indiana, and i haven't recieved one. Can we say bullshit?

[Dragonwings]

I just got an email today as well with a tracking number at 4:05 pm.

I'll have my precious soon.

[nice96gt]

Originally posted by TheNewLMHDesign
that blows
so you get a tracking number, and you live all the way in florida, and i live in indiana, and i haven't recieved one. Can we say bullshit?

Dude, call the toll free number and ask them what yours is. That way you'll know rather then wondering about it...

[TheNewLMHDesign]

For you...and rsm..... lol.

[TheNewLMHDesign]

For you...and rsm..... lol.

[TheNewLMHDesign]

For you...and rsm..... lol.

[nice96gt]

lol...did you like that one? I think they should make that a full time smiley :P haha

[nice96gt]

Oh, and not to make your day any worse and all ;)...the 3100 is really tight when you're trying to install the front bar. You won't be able to to just bolt it on. I have mine installed, and I came up with a good solution. The bar goes in freely without having to put a lot of pressure on it to install it. I'll let you know how I set mine up with pics and stuff when I get them...

[JMILLS]

If anyone does one with a 2.4 in a 96-98 let me know. There is a wiring harness in the way that I am trying to figure out.

[nice96gt]

I solved that problem..it's probably the same as my 3100...is it the one coming out of the firewall on the passenger side?

[JMILLS]

Yeah, there is a plastic shroud that holds the wireharness on the passanger side.

[Cmnky16]

i just pushed it out of the way. i have a ractive front stb though. I got my rear one installed today. I would have had it sooner but ups misplaced it. It was really easy to install(rear). Took less than 20 min. I can feel a difference altough i haven't had a chance to really play with it yet.

[mthegodfather]

Hopefully mine will be here soon.

[nice96gt]

I'm writing up a semi-how-to as we speak. I know a lot of people who just push down really hard and bolt it down, but I found very simple solution and it will make things much easier.

[Big Joe]

ahh man i have no email and no abrs yet :(

[nice96gt]

Here are a few pics of the new front strut bar...I have also included some troubleshooting details on the install. :)


http://www.geocities.com/ryangfranklin/enginebay.jpg

Is that one a little blurry? lol
http://www.geocities.com/ryangfranklin/blurry_closeup.jpg

The driverside is the easiest to do, so get it done first. I remove the bracket that was already on the strut tower, set the RSM bracket in place then put the factory bracket on top. I figured this would cause less flexing of the mounting plate when I tightened it down. You may have a little trouble getting the factory bracket to fin on over the RSM one, but mine went after moving it around a little bit. Or you could just grind off the corner that’s rubbing. Bolt it down.

http://www.geocities.com/ryangfranklin/driverside_mount.jpg

Next go to the passengers side. There will be a big wiring harness in some wire loom coming out of the firewall. This is in the way since it pushes against the heatercore. To give yourself some room, remove the relay bracket that’s on the strut tower, unscrew the 2 little screws holding the relays to the large bracket and place the bracket part to the side (you won’t need this any more). For the time being, I just hooked the relays over the edge on the fender and left them there. Eventually I will clean up the little brackets, maybe grind the one edge off of them and screw them down, but for now they will just sit there. They don’t interfere with the hood so if you are just going to hang them like I did, don’t worry. Tuck the wire loom down between the heatercore and the strut tower. You can bolt the other RSM mounting plate down now if you want. Next you must unattach the wire harness plastic cover from whatever it is attachet to at the top towards the alternator end. It’s held on by a plastic plug. I just cut it off and it came loose. At this point, there may be 2 ways of doing it. You might be able you just put the bar on and pus it down against the plast cover. It may give you just enough room to work with. I wanted it to fit easily though and cut off the first 4 inces of it. That basically took away the big bulky part that was in the way. I used some electrical tape on some of the exposed wires and zip tied it to the other wiring harness that was right beside it. You really can’t even tell that the piece I cut off would even go there anymore. Put your bar on and you’re done.


http://www.geocities.com/ryangfranklin/bracket_harnesscover.jpg

Relay Relocation
http://www.geocities.com/ryangfranklin/relay_relocation.jpg

Wire harness/loom tucked down
http://www.geocities.com/ryangfranklin/passengerside_mount.jpg

Plastic piece removed
http://www.geocities.com/ryangfranklin/plastic_piece.jpg

Final result
http://www.geocities.com/ryangfranklin/wireharness_bar.jpg


For the back, remove the factory mounting plate, and just use the RSM one instead.

Rear Plate
http://www.geocities.com/ryangfranklin/rear_plate.jpg

[Dragonwings]

Originally posted by nice96gt
[B]Here are a few pics of the new front strut bar...I have also included some troubleshooting details on the install. :)


Thank you very much! I can't wait now. I shall name my first child "Nice" in honor of your work.

[mthegodfather]

Very nice instructions.

[nice96gt]

Thanks...Hopefully they will help everyone. I wrote them up kind of fast so I hope I didn't miss anything. :)

[mthegodfather]

I think im gonna install the front one myself but get someone to do the rear for me.

[nice96gt]

Just find a friend that wouldn't mind helping ya out. It's really easy to do. Took me only 25 min.

[mthegodfather]

Ive installed strut tower bars on my last 2 vehicles and both were very simple just being in the chair i cant reach far enough in the trunk to bolt it up.

[nice96gt]

Yeah I know what you mean...just don't pay anyone to do it...I'm sure someone won't mind helping you out.

[mthegodfather]

Yeah i will probably get my dad to help or one of my neighbors to help. Just by a couple of cases of Bud Light and I should have no problem getting someone to help me out.

[ironian]

I just got home from a few days away and in my email box was a tracking number from RSM

WOOOOHOOOO

[mthegodfather]

I still havent got the Tracking number.

[Big Joe]

great directions :thumbup: so basically unsrew three screws on each side put bar in place and titen screws down huh lol. btw what were we supose to pay for one bar in the us with shipping and everything? I just got my statment and i think i was over charged a little.

[JMILLS]

I noticed that the charges were more, but you have to check your bank statement. The invoice shows canadian funds not u.s.

[nice96gt]

JMILLS...Did you get your bar installed?

[TheNewLMHDesign]

Big Joe5313,
Same here, but he tried ton convince me other wise, i think something was screwed up.

[Dragonwings]

Originally posted by TheNewLMHDesign
Big Joe5313,
Same here, but he tried ton convince me other wise, i think something was screwed up.

There was a screw up initially, but they corrected the charge to my CC as soon as it was discovered. Maybe one fell through the cracks, or just double check your invoice with your bank/CC statements to determine if it's merely a matter of Candian funds vs. US funds.

[Ishan]

They overcharged me at first, but i told them and they corrected it the next day....

MY DAMN BARS ARE A TOWN OVER! AHHH! they should be hre today.. hehe.. muahah..hahaheheheha... TODAY.

[TheNewLMHDesign]

Still have yet to get an email or anything. Anyone else having that problem?

[JMILLS]

Nope... hopefully tonight. I need to grab a new tool set since my old tools seem to have walked off...

[ironian]

Guess what came today!!! Yes you guessed it my rear strut bar!!! Now does anybody have a good how to for the 99+ rear??

Thanks RSM

[TheNewLMHDesign]

Found out something really odd. I called them today, and they said that the 92-95's and the 96-98's weren't done yet, and yet you just got yours, wow.......fishy.

[JMILLS]

Maybe all of them aren't done... some of them obviously are.

[TheNewLMHDesign]

Yeah, just weird, must have had some extra, just confused is all. He said that none of ours in the group buy was done, lol. Guess he was mistaken.

[JMILLS]

Cool... if none of them are done then maybe mine will show up shortly... wink wink wink, lol

[TheNewLMHDesign]

haha, shut up.

[Big Joe]

soo uhhh back to my original question what was the exact amount we were supose to pay?

[nice96gt]

Originally posted by TheNewLMHDesign
Found out something really odd. I called them today, and they said that the 92-95's and the 96-98's weren't done yet, and yet you just got yours, wow.......fishy.

That is very odd. Who did you talk to?

[TheNewLMHDesign]

Craig

[nice96gt]

Originally posted by TheNewLMHDesign
Craig

Really, weird? I'm going to RSM tomorrow so if I see him I'll ask about the rest of the bars and see what's up.

[JMILLS]

Be Careful with the rear ones. I started installing mine tonight. Undid the nuts, took away the factory mounting plate, turned around to get my camera and poof the strut was gone! Pics and full details to follow tommorow. It was an easy fix... but scared me

[nice96gt]

Originally posted by JMILLS
Be Careful with the rear ones. I started installing mine tonight. Undid the nuts, took away the factory mounting plate, turned around to get my camera and poof the strut was gone! Pics and full details to follow tommorow. It was an easy fix... but scared me

lol...did the front one go in ok?

[WhiteSpeed36]

Hey I've been quite quiet during this whole wait for the bars deal but people have been recieving their bars and yet I have not. I was under the impression that all the bars were going to be shipped at the same time. Even if not we were told that the 96-98 bars had been completed... so if only partial amount WAS sent then all of the 96-98's should have been sent. I want to know whats going on and where is my bar.

[JMILLS]

Originally posted by nice96gt
lol...did the front one go in ok?

I got mine in starting with your instructions, but I modified them a litte. I havent uploaded the pics yet but I managed to get everything in without removing the plastic piece that you did.

[JMILLS]

Rear Installation 96-98 Click Here (http://kwiktech.myip.org/stb/stbrear.htm)

[nice96gt]

Looks good. Nice how-to, I like how you layed it out. Have you tried turning your subs around so they are facing the back? I found I got more bass out of them that way.

[JMILLS]

Couple of Quick front pics from late last night.

http://kwiktech.myip.org/stb/sm_passfrnt.JPG
http://kwiktech.myip.org/stb/sm_drvfrnt.JPG
http://kwiktech.myip.org/stb/sm_frnt.JPG

[Ishan]

Could someone please explain how the rears go on for a 2001+

I have mine on, but I have a feelings it's not on correctly.. it holds, and it's damn sturdy and helps with the steering, but I just have a bad feeling about it, the bracket almost looks like it's bowing.

[mthegodfather]

I still havent recieved mine or got a tracking number. I will probably have to call Craig and see whats up.

[nice96gt]

Originally posted by Ishan
Could someone please explain how the rears go on for a 2001+

I have mine on, but I have a feelings it's not on correctly.. it holds, and it's damn sturdy and helps with the steering, but I just have a bad feeling about it, the bracket almost looks like it's bowing.

I don't even know what the trunk looks like in a 99+ but I assume it's going to be close. JMILLS did a write-up on how he installed it. It's basically what I would be telling you. 96-98 Rear STB Installation (http://kwiktech.myip.org/stb/stbrear.htm). I know it's for a 96-98 but it should be very similar to the 99+. Good luck.

[Ishan]

No.. it's nothing like the older one, on the rears in the 01+ there are 3 stems for each rear just like the front, except theres only one nut on for each side.. it's.. odd.. i dunno.

[TheNewLMHDesign]

take a shot Ishan, i'll help you out. Or i can just take a look at a 01 my friend has, tommorow.

[nice96gt]

Sorry Ishan, wish I could help...Don't worry though, Lee's to the rescue!!!! :lol:

[Ishan]

ok, basically each side of the tower has 3 stems in the back, but only one of the stems actually has a nut on it.. so.. i took that nut off, placed the mounting bracket over the 2 stems it goes over, then replaced that nut, and put one of the ones that came with the brace on the other stem, and tightened that one down.. same thing with the other side, then put the bar in.

Thing is, the brace is no where near flush with the top of the tower. it's sturdy and all, but I just have a feeling i'm doing something wrong, I glanced over the install for the older years and people mentioned taking off the mountain place.

so yeah, any thoughts.

[TheNewLMHDesign]

I'll have to see it. I'll look at the 01 today and mess around with it. Are you sure your car hasn't been in any accidents that may have damaged the rear frame?

[JMILLS]

I have contacted RSM for any "official" instructions that they may have and have sent them my instructions to verify, add, changes etc. I'll let ya know what I hear back. If anyone does a complete install, take some photos while doing it. I would like to have how-to's for each variation on my site.

[TheNewLMHDesign]

who knows if there is going to be a hell of alot of difference for 92-95 se 3.1's but i'll do it if you want it.

[nice96gt]

ok, basically each side of the tower has 3 stems in the back, but only one of the stems actually has a nut on it.. so.. i took that nut off, placed the mounting bracket over the 2 stems it goes over, then replaced that nut, and put one of the ones that came with the brace on the other stem, and tightened that one down.. same thing with the other side, then put the bar in.

Thing is, the brace is no where near flush with the top of the tower. it's sturdy and all, but I just have a feeling i'm doing something wrong, I glanced over the install for the older years and people mentioned taking off the mountain place.


It sounds like you have it in properly. Post up a question about it and I'm sure someone with a 99+ will have an answer for you. I don't know what else could be done differently. Is there any way it could be on backwards? I'm just throwing out ideas here.

who knows if there is going to be a hell of alot of difference for 92-95 se 3.1's but i'll do it if you want it. [/QUOTE]

I doubt there will be. Have a look at the pic I posted compared to your engine bay, is it really any different?

[TheNewLMHDesign]

Nope, your are right, not at all.

[nice96gt]

I didn't think it was. Well at least you'll know what problems you'll have trying to make it fit. I would suggest moving the fuses for sure. I would take the time and grind the top lip thing off of them though, paint them and bolt 'em down. The plastic piece though is totally up to you whether you want to cut it off or not. A lot of people don't cut it off. I did because it was just easier than trying to play with it.

[JMILLS]

With my plastic piece I popped the top off, removed the wire harness from it. Then there was a single clip holding it near the strut tower, so I pulled it off that. Then I placed the wire harness back in the channel and threw the top back on. Now everything is still protected in the plastic channel, but the channel is able to be pushed down for the STB installation. I tend to like to do as little extra modification as possible.

As for the fuse mount, I plan on grinding out a section of it so the it will fit back in the stock location, I'll let ya know how it goes.

[Dragonwings]

I have a 2003, and just put my bars in today. All I can say is WOW to the difference. I really didn't think the difference would be that noticable.. It's an amazing difference for me. Money well spent. The quality of the materials seems to be top notch!


The front bar went on without any modifications or relocating of any standard equipement. Took off four nuts, fiddled with the bar to get the fit correct (I had to remove two of the nuts on the actual bar to make it fit, but the two nuts are to lock down the bar to prevent twisting which shouldn't be a problem anyway.) Total time for the front bar was 15-20 minutes tops.

The rear bar was much more of a hassle. I put the car up on jack stands which allows you to get underneath wheel wells. The bolt closest to the rear of the car is removed by going into the wheel well of each tire. Feel for the bolts around the strut. You'll need a long socket extension as well. Then replace that bolt with the one supplied by RSM.

Then, inside the trunk, at the top of the strut are three bolts sticking up (including the one you just replaced). One of them has a nut on it, remove it. Then match up your strut bar plates over the two closest bolts. You'll have to take them on and off to adjust the fit. It's a pain in the ass. One of the bolts on my car has a thick washer looking thing that is attached to the body of the car. This prevents the STB plate from laying flat. So I just tightened it down right over it. Seems to have worked fine. Once you get it on all four bolts, put on the nuts and you're all good. I had to repeatedly adjust to make it fit though. Total time was probably 50 min.

On both bars, you'll also want to tighten the brass colored bolts/nuts at the pivot joint. You'll know what I'm talking about when you see it. This requires a Hex wrench or vise grips is recommended.

I installed both by myself.

Again, this is an amazing modification for the price. I can take curves a full 10-15mph faster than I could before. Accelerating hard and turning onto a main road feels much stiffer (less body roll/lean ?terminology?) Bounce over speed bumps is dampened. All very noticable. I'm VERY happy with the purchase.

THanks for setting it up again Babalouie, I would have never made this purchase without the group buy being set up.

[mthegodfather]

I still dont have my Bars.