LS1 and T56 setup in a GA.....

[whitegase]

LS1 and T56 setup in a GA..... i know there was a thread back in the pages somewhere about the swap.... but does anyone know how muchwork needs to be done in the engine bay for it to fit?
i.e. shift firewall back, cut front wheel wells..... etc. pls fill me in... i want to do this with either the LS1, LS2, or LS6.......

[Xidion]

^ well your 17 so you better start putting cash in the bank because its a lot of money im guessing way over $8,000

[03xGAxSE]

more than that for motor and tranny unless you find a wrecked gto vette or camaro that hasent been gutted (lol.. good luck)

[VanishingImage]

just stick with modding with what you have,the amount of $$$ spent just trying to get all the parts and not including having it installed,which I dunno if you have the tools to do it,just for instance you don't your looking at a HIGH amount of money.Now take the money you would just spend for parts and put it into what you have,you'll have a quick 96-98 GA.....Id love to have a V8 in my car but uhm,thats a goal thats mostly unreachable,now unless I hit the jackpot or get a lot inheritance.This type of subject,like you said that was already on here,has been talked about and beat to death,the fact is its a very hard goal for most adults,let alone teenagers,like yourself and I.

Lets see....estimate: just tranny alone from a v8 that will bolt up to LS1,around 3500 or more:Supercharger for the 2.4 from RSM,3500(give or take some,these numbers are just rough estimates but pretty sure are close)

[TA^Guy]

I don't know where you guys are shopping but if you go to a salvage yard you can pick up a used LS1 with a T56 or a 4L60E and the computer and harnesses for on average of under $4000.

Trust me, we have an empty engine bay in a third generation FBody that at one time was going to recieve the swap. (Hopefull it will sometime in the furure as well).

[whitegase]

cuz i wanna take the whole car like camaro, firebird, trans am, or vette home form the yard and pull whaT I NEED ... that way i most likely won't need to run back n forth between stores and the yard, id just have to run to my frikedns house get him n the tools and do it... but... i dont know... i want to do it... but i also found a new3.8 3800 series 3 v6 engine supercharged at gmpartsdepot.com

[litdevil316]

a new 3800sc? that will probly run you alot more then the RSM s/c kit(4k for stage one and 6k now for the stage two??) ok, maybe not as much as the stage two. the price for it jumped alot lately. but you gotta remember, vette = RWD. GA = FWD. and the LS1 and tranny will equal half, if not more, of your cars length.

[VanishingImage]

hes got the 2.4L engine,the 2.4 SC is cheaper for the 2.4L:)

oops,never mind,miss-read your post,my bad:)

[Stephen's GA]

You could do the 4.9 out of a 91-95 caddy with the 4t60e tranny youd have the sound of a v8 and the power of a 3800s/c motor or you could also do the North Star motor out of the caddy and have 300 hp those would be fairly simple swaps and theyd fit without having to modify the engine bay

[litdevil316]

that would still involve alot of work. the front end of a caddy is huge. not to forget the suspension.

[Stephen's GA]

Originally posted by litdevil316
that would still involve alot of work. the front end of a caddy is huge. not to forget the suspension.

Yeah its work but the 4.9 will drop right in without having to modify firewalls or anything else but adding motor mounts a N* will fit also its a little bigger but not by much, and suspension? the stock suspension will do i think the 4.9 weighs the same as a 3400 its not a heavy motor.

We started to do a 4.9 conversion in a 97 GA but we are at a standstill on it because of other obligations.

All you need is a 4.9, wiring harness,ecm, 4t60e trans and the trans mount out of a 91-95 Caddy. Axles we havent figured out foresure yet but i believe the pont 6000 pass side axle will work along with a 84-86 fiero 4 or 5 spd manual trans driver side axle your gonna also need to figure out what to do with the passkey. You could also carb the 4.9 and just use a 4t60 trans and that would require alot less wiring but id say just do the extra work and keep all of the perf.

[litdevil316]

and lot of money. N* cat be cheap if it good one

[Stephen's GA]

Down here i can get the whole N* setup for $1,400 i can get the 4.9 setup for $300-$400 thats everything i need out of the caddy.

Im in the slow process of doing a 4.9 swap in my fiero i bought a wrecked 93 fleetwood for $320 plus i bought an pass side axle off a pont 6000 $10.00 ,GM trans mount 20.00 misc hoses,fuel lines and clamps $60.00 plus misc bolts and nuts $10.00 and extra wiring and connectors $35.00 so for about $455 im going from a 90 hp 4cyl motor to a 205 hp &300 Ft Lb torque motor. Not bad in my opinion

But yeah between a N* conversion and a 4.9 conversion the N8 would be the hardest and it really not that impressive

N* 300HP & 295Ft Lb Torque
4.9 205HP & 300 Ft Lb Torque at 4100rpm

the N* is a high reving motor so you would would have top end the 4.9 would be a stop light to stop light motor but dont get me wrong the top speed you can reach on the 4.9 is 143 mph and it been said that you can reach that speed pretty quickly.

[litdevil316]

i'd still like to see the stock suspension on my car hold up to the weight of a v-8 of any size

[WHOOPhondaASS]

The north star engines are all aluminum blocks and heads.
I think its a waste of time and money to try to put a V-8 in a grand am. If I had time and money like that, the last thing I would do is put a V-8 in a fwd car. For 8k I could get a nice vette or older porsche even. Even for 4grand I wouldn't do it, the fact that my car is fwd is one of the things I don't like about it.

[Stephen's GA]

Just a ? for the last 2 poster the 3400 and 4.9V8 weigh almost the same couple pounds difference you gain 30hp and 95 ftlb with the swap not that impressive right well you can do a really easy turbo setup $700 setup thats even a ecm tune and a junkyard turbo setup and be putting out 90 more hp and 189 more ftlbs all out of a motor that weighs a couple more #s than the 3400 + the money youll spend to get a 3400 into that hp and torque range would be way more than everything i mentioned above.

295HP
489 ftlb torque
all this going through a fwd tranny that can easily handle it i dont no doesnt sound like a waste to me.

Just have to wait and see what itll cut # wise on the track.

[litdevil316]

i'l just stick to the simple bit and stick with the 2.4L that i got. plus, my 4banger probly get alot better gas miles then any v-8 (maybe not all, but damn most).

[matts]

i would think a RWD conversion would be more of a hassle than it's worth. at the end you have a original, one-off car. but what happens if you're out for a sunday drive and someone hits you? an insurance company isn't going to pay you for all the money and time you have invested. they're going to pay you for a regular GA. if you were building it to be a show car, or even a race car, that would be a different story. but i just dont think it'd be worth it to sink that kind of money and time into a daily driver.

im with john, i think you could find an LS1, computer, tranny, and rear end for about $5G. best bet would be to find someone that totalled their Fbody, and bought it back from the insurance company for dirt cheap, and then buy the car off them. or just buying the whole car from a salvage yard.

i think the caddy engine is a feasible one, i still think it'd cost ya a pretty penny to do that conversion though. if you're wanting to go fast buy you an older stang with a 5.0 in it, it dont even have to run, and build that motor. it's hard to modify a car and drive it at the same time. and you can get a 5.0 to be pretty dang quick for not a whole lot of cash. that same 5G you would invest in a LS1 could make a 5.0 a force to reckon with. or if you want to stick with GM the same thing could be said about an older camaro.

[Silver99SE]

Ya seriously. Find an old '84 to '92 Camaro. 305 TPI and 350 TPI are good engines and there are plenty of aftermarket parts for them. Rebuild it. Throw a Flowmaster 3" stainless and some MSD or Accell ignition on there. You can easily get 300 or more HP out of a 305.

[litdevil316]

or take that 5grand and fix up the motor you got now in the GA. sure, it wont be a v-8 in power, but it'l still be the GA and all. 5grand could do wonders to a N/A ga.

[cliff]

take that 5 grand and put 1000 bucks in tires on your car and see if you still get wheel spin then spend the other four grand and get a t/sc kit.

but thats not really what your lookign for. to put an LS1 in an S10, no firewall modification other then a little beating, and its already RWD, ppl spend 10 grand easy, all the wiring, the motor itself, the labor headers to fit the car, custom exaust, motor mounts steering column, etc etc.

It sounds good, but it gets real expensive, real fast.

[litdevil316]

man, you'l see 10k soon go into my car. lol free money (almost)(tax free atleast)

[Freeloader]

Originally posted by litdevil316
or take that 5grand and fix up the motor you got now in the GA. sure, it wont be a v-8 in power, but it'l still be the GA and all. 5grand could do wonders to a N/A ga.
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