Wheres all the fast 2.4's?

[urweak]

Is it me, or do all the cars in the GA community have more money into stereos and body kits, rather then into the motor? It seems like more people are dropping 700-2,000 dollars on bodykits and rims and neons and so on. What’s up with this? Is this a reflection of the F&F fad?

Anyways, list what you have done to your 2.4L performance wise.

My Mods:
HO intake manifold
56mm HO Throttle body
Iceman intake
Upper motor mount insert (in my room)
Jbody short throw shifter (in my room waiting on a jbody shifter assembly to see if that will work, since the shifter doesn’t work on the nbody assembly)

Suspension (guess this could be performance stuff too)
Old jbody STB
Sprint springs (sitting in my room)

In the future I am going to get the lower dog bone mount, UR pulley, 2.25 or 2.5 exhaust, and other shit. Hoping I can get this car into the high to mid 14s

[VanishingImage]

I can't speak for everyone,but only myself,but I do want engine mods,but I started with appearence first,some people have directions that they start in.....The first thing I ever did was put in a custom exhaust,and will be putting in my final custom FlowMaster exhaust this week.......

Engine:
AEM intake
NGK spark plugs
FlowMaster cat-back exhaust

Suspension:
Sprint Performance springs
Monroe struts/shocks

Futue engine mods:
RSM ported intake manifold
RSM ported TB

[azeniskid]

I own a "fast" grandma on jackstands.

It's a slow painful process.

[99GrandAMSE]

"Fast 2.4" ... isn't that an oxymoron?!? :roflmfao:

OK ... I am ONLY kidding ... no need of anyone getting their panties in a twist!! :D

[urweak]

Originally posted by 99grandamse
"Fast 2.4" ... isn't that an oxymoron?!? :roflmfao:

OK ... I am ONLY kidding ... no need of anyone getting their panties in a twist!! :D

I dont seem to recall any 3x00 motors making 400hp+ and running 13s-12s, besides 3800 S/C's

But like i was saying, it seems to me that most GA owners on here slap on a body kit and neons over a turbo and nitrous.

[mthegodfather]

I believ most of the GA owner prefer BLING BLING instead of go fast parts. I am working on making it faster then making it look better.

[matts]

my fiance is the one that has the GA, she's dangerous enough behind the wheel with the stock 2.4.......can't imagine her with more power on tap :D.

that's why i added a couple hundred pounds of stereo :P. besides, maybe some people aren't into the high performance thing. i am personally, but some people do prefer to get there in style over getting there quick. im trying to work on the top end of 350 right now :D

[urweak]

lol, maybe i should have said faster then stock. I guess i got my hopes up to high.

[azeniskid]

Originally posted by 99grandamse
"Fast 2.4" ... isn't that an oxymoron?!? :roflmfao:

OK ... I am ONLY kidding ... no need of anyone getting their panties in a twist!! :D

I know you don't read jbody.org... speedracrZ there 12.8-12.9 turbo, stock motor...... 2.4L ....... add 300-400lbs... still would be mid to low 13's.....

but that's just the ONE that sticks out of my mind.

alright admin god.. :) this is for you

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[goldfinger]

Originally posted by azeniskid
I know you don't read jbody.org... speedracrZ there 12.8-12.9 turbo, stock motor...... 2.4L ....... add 300-400lbs... still would be mid to low 13's.....

but that's just the ONE that sticks out of my mind.

alright admin god.. :) this is for you

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:funny:

[litdevil316]

you all are a trip. issiuing point to the admin. lol.


but anyways, look at my car. mods in sig. it probly got one of the worst bodys(maybe not). and i am trying to get the motor up first. i'm all function over looks anyday. most i'd do for body is the AED hood but work the Ram Air of said hood to work for real, hence function over looks.

[99GrandAMSE]

Originally posted by azeniskid
... turbo, stock motor ... 2.4L ...

Turbo and you STILL want to call it 'stock'?! Think again :lol: You know, that is almost as bad as the '2.2L boys' trying to convince me the 1000 HP ECOs are "just like their engines" but simply a little more elaborate :wink4: In short, put a turbo on it and you can't call it 'stock' anymore and as such, I certainly would HOPE it would kick some ass since it would be a waste to put the money into a turbo for it to only run the same :lol:

Originally posted by azeniskid
...alright admin god.. :) this is for you

Trolling--- Posting of messages intended to spark a fight/flame war 4pts 90days

Hey, no problem ... I have big shoulders and admit that I probably deserve a few points for being a PITA but then again, "I AM GOD!!!" :kelly: :roflmfao: :kidding:


OK, enough with the fun fellas ... I was NOT trying to instigate a war on engines sizes but instead i was simply 'bothering' Rob a little ... no need to continue with the debate ... back on topic please :)

[azeniskid]

Originally posted by 99grandamse
[B]Turbo and you STILL want to call it 'stock'?! Think again :lol: You know, that is almost as bad as the '2.2L boys' trying to convince me the 1000 HP ECOs are "just like their engines" but simply a little more elaborate :wink4: In short, put a turbo on it and you can't call it 'stock' anymore and as such, I certainly would HOPE it would kick some ass since it would be a waste to put the money into a turbo for it to only run the same :lol:


what i mean stock is this.... stock internals and head as in the motor aspect not all the accessories and toys bolted on the outside...

[99GrandAMSE]

Originally posted by azeniskid
what i mean stock is this.... stock internals and head as in the motor aspect not all the accessories and toys bolted on the outside...

Then it ISN'T 'stock' is it!?!? :lol: ... it is all a matter description, I guess ... to me, even adding a K&N Filter is enough so that you can't call it 'stock' any longer ... picky?! ... yes, but you have to be fair as any modification can make a change ... 'stock' to me is not a matter of degrees but an absolute as you either are 'stock' or you are not! ... just one of my many pet peeves :)

[hot-bodiez]

Originally posted by 99grandamse
Then it ISN'T 'stock' is it!?!? :lol: ... it is all a matter description, I guess ... to me, even adding a K&N Filter is enough so that you can't call it 'stock' any longer ... picky?! ... yes, but you have to be fair as any modification can make a change ... 'stock' to me is not a matter of degrees but an absolute as you either are 'stock' or you are not! ... just one of my many pet peeves :)
I think he was trying to say that that car does the 1/4 in the high 12's with just a turbo, and stock internals on the engine. I don't think he realy thinks the car is stock.
You knew what he meant, you just wanted to give him a hard time!:lol:

[azeniskid]

I'm not gonna lie, but he's trying to start a flame war on this thread.. more points against the admin.

[way2crazy05]

yea it does tick me off that i dont see many mods for my 3400. there incredibly hard to find. and i dont see it done often enough that would be some one to ask "how to".

[99GrandAMSE]

Originally posted by hot-bodiez
I think he was trying to say that that car does the 1/4 in the high 12's with just a turbo, and stock internals on the engine. I don't think he realy thinks the car is stock.
You knew what he meant, you just wanted to give him a hard time!:lol:

... just trying to give a little back to the "King of Sarcasim" :lol:

(and for the record, I know what he meant but like you indicated, I was just having a little fun :D)

[litdevil316]

Originally posted by way2crazy05
yea it does tick me off that i dont see many mods for my 3400. there incredibly hard to find. and i dont see it done often enough that would be some one to ask "how to".

thats like that with all grand ams. there alot of stuff you can do on your own with the help of a good shop. you can get the heads ported and polished. you can get headers for the 3400. RSM has a 62mm TB. RSM has headers and predone heads. RSM has a S/C in stage1 and 2 forms. lots of ppl have intakes. RSM has a WAI for it.

[azeniskid]

and there's a lot of stuff... and not all of it is from RSM either.. HAHAH... bunch of wannabe's there... no fast cars at all from that shop.

[Jigga9JayZ]

ID CAI
2.5" custom exhaust from down pipe
UORDX UD Pulley
AEM Alt Pulley

A HO intake sitting at home that has been a pain in the ass twice now

Intrax drop

Near Future: Bigger TB, More Suspension mods

[Xidion]

All i have is the Induction Dynamcis CAI and the Unorthodox Crank pully

Im most likely going to pull out my 2.4 and drop in a bigget engine after im out of wyotech.

[azeniskid]

Originally posted by Xidion
All i have is the Induction Dynamcis CAI and the Unorthodox Crank pully

Im most likely going to pull out my 2.4 and drop in a bigget engine after im out of wyotech.

You've been banned from the 2.4 section. Please dont forget to let the door smack your head on the way out.

[WoR]

Dam, i want to go to wyotech, but isnt that shit XPensivE? Im just a poor bastard anyway :)

[litdevil316]

banned from the 2.4 room? lol. i'm gonna stick by my lil 2.4. i like it. and RSM just one of the more well known groups that get their name out alot while having alot of stuff. and so far with what i got from them, i gonna stick by them.

[urweak]

Originally posted by litdevil316
banned from the 2.4 room? lol. i'm gonna stick by my lil 2.4. i like it. and RSM just one of the more well known groups that get their name out alot while having alot of stuff. and so far with what i got from them, i gonna stick by them.

RSM isnt that great, they dont make alot of REAL mods, just bolt on crap. there super charger i think is poop when you can buy the GM one for less. if you want real quad 4 parts go to www.the-race-shop.com

[99GrandAMSE]

... I don't see "that place" with the "real Quad 4 parts" :roll: helping you/us by supporting the site ... I am not saying they are the best thing since sliced bread but they have ALWAYS been great friends to the Grand Am Community so personally, I would try to support RSM whenever possible!!

[urweak]

Originally posted by 99grandamse
... I don't see "that place" with the "real Quad 4 parts" :roll: helping you/us by supporting the site ... I am not saying they are the best thing since sliced bread but they have ALWAYS been great friends to the Grand Am Community so personally, I would try to support RSM whenever possible!!

but they support quad4forums, its a one man show right now, i dont think he can help different sites right now. But i think the only other company on his level is mantapart, and they dont sponsor any community messageboards

[99GrandAMSE]

Originally posted by urweak
but they support quad4forums, its a one man show right now, i dont think he can help different sites right now. But i think the only other company on his level is mantapart, and they dont sponsor any community messageboards

... I stand corrected :( ... I still stand by my initial comment that I would support RSM since they have supported US ... that, I guess, is my option and being the way the GAOC operates you are certainly allowed to mention and refer members to other sites or companies but I was simply trying to help one who helps us :) ... carry on!

[urweak]

Originally posted by 99grandamse
... I stand corrected :( ... I still stand by my initial comment that I would support RSM since they have supported US ... that, I guess, is my option and being the way the GAOC operates you are certainly allowed to mention and refer members to other sites or companies but I was simply trying to help one who helps us :) ... carry on!

no i get your point, but i feel that RSM is good for intakes, motor mounts, and smaller things like that. If you want custom work like things you might find at mantapart then TRS if a good option.

[azeniskid]

for motor mounts?.... hardly..

wish we had good mounts such as the offerings from honda companies like.. HASPORT

[urweak]

Originally posted by azeniskid
for motor mounts?.... hardly..

wish we had good mounts such as the offerings from honda companies like.. HASPORT

granted things might not be as good for our market as the honda market, but i was trying to say that RSM is good for basic bolt ons IMO thats all.

[Jigga9JayZ]

HA...i should have a 2.4 head that was going to theraceshop but some douche named spy never sent it to me or the refund...thanks again for that azeniskid

[gbe357]

Originally posted by 99grandamse
"Fast 2.4" ... isn't that an oxymoron?!? :roflmfao:

OK ... I am ONLY kidding ... no need of anyone getting their panties in a twist!! :D

look what you all started...here it comes.. ;)
:piss:

[urweak]

Originally posted by gbe357
look what you all started...here it comes.. ;)
:piss:

welcome to last month

[Jigga9JayZ]

Originally posted by urweak
welcome to last month



HAHAHAHAHA :lol:

[gbe357]

yah....just got internet back last nigt....frances and jeanne took away the power and the cable...hence...no earthlink cable internet. frikken hurricanes suck.

[99GrandAMSE]

Originally posted by gbe357
... frikken hurricanes suck.

Glad you're back :)

[phatblackgranda]

hey i spent alot on a big stereo but i also did the engine too
2.3l cam
2.3l ho intake manifold
custom intake
custom exhaust
underdrive pully
overdrive pully for alternator
mild port and polish
act street clutch
poyurathane motor and tranny mounts
56mm throttle body
high flow cat
lowered
here the pics
and the engine is coming out soon to for a rebuild with all forged internals and a gm supercharger so it will put down some nice numbers
http://www.sounddomain.com/member_pages/view_page.pl?page_id=250872

[mthegodfather]

Very nice lookin setup you have. You need to get it to a track and let us know what it runs.

[WoR]

Originally posted by phatblackgranda
hey i spent alot on a big stereo but i also did the engine too
2.3l cam
2.3l ho intake manifold
custom intake
custom exhaust
underdrive pully
overdrive pully for alternator
mild port and polish
act street clutch
poyurathane motor and tranny mounts
56mm throttle body
high flow cat
lowered
here the pics
and the engine is coming out soon to for a rebuild with all forged internals and a gm supercharger so it will put down some nice numbers
http://www.sounddomain.com/member_pages/view_page.pl?page_id=250872

Nice man...

I dont know how hard it is too do but i would swap over a 086 head from a 2.3, a 086 is supposed to flow better than even a fully ported 2.4 head. Might look into it. Dont know how the computer will like this though..

[phatblackgranda]

when its supercharged i will go to the track

[Jigga9JayZ]

086 head needs the 2.3 exhaust manifold of course....and the exhaust mani doesnt have enough room...been there

[urweak]

Originally posted by phatblackgranda
hey i spent alot on a big stereo but i also did the engine too
http://www.sounddomain.com/member_pages/view_page.pl?page_id=250872

Car looks good. What cams did you put into it? What do you think your call will run now? Feel a big difference in acceleration?

[phatblackgranda]

the cams are out of the old 2.3l motors, the intake is out of a 95 and the exhaust is out of a 90-94 lo motor i believe

[phatblackgranda]

086 head = no supercharger to bolt to it

[mr_eh]

hey urweak... i run a 16.3 too with just my ghetto intake & 2.25 compression bent cat-back with a magnaflow muffler, ho im/tb waiting to be put on in a few weeks :)... then some weight reduction, trying to break 16.0 before this seasons up in november... me and grandamchick (melanie) have been duke-ing it out for a while with our 2.4's, you seem to be 16.3 with us :)...

ok im going back to trolling...

[urweak]

Originally posted by phatblackgranda
the cams are out of the old 2.3l motors, the intake is out of a 95 and the exhaust is out of a 90-94 lo motor i believe

I got excited there for a minute, i was hopping you were going to say ho cams or something, but your just running the SCS. How do you like them, big difference or nothing noticeable.

[urweak]

Originally posted by mr_eh
hey urweak... i run a 16.3 too with just my ghetto intake & 2.25 compression bent cat-back with a magnaflow muffler, ho im/tb waiting to be put on in a few weeks :)... then some weight reduction, trying to break 16.0 before this seasons up in november... me and grandamchick (melanie) have been duke-ing it out for a while with our 2.4's, you seem to be 16.3 with us :)...

ok im going back to trolling...

Thats cool, do you have and auto or 5speed. Im sure my car has a high 15 in it or a 16 flat. I just need to drive it better.

[GrandAmChick]

yeah, 16.35. *sigh*

Perf mods:
- ID CAI
- RSM 62mm tb
- RSM ported to match manifold
- Pacesetter Cavi/Sunfire header/downpipe
- Borla catback exhaust (2.25")
- AFPR (possibly in the future)
- some sort of smaller pulley (in the future)

Suspension mods:
- Eibach springs
- front n rear STBs
- rear sway bar (in the future)

Last time I was at the track was pre-header install, so I'm not sure how I'd run now. Also, last time when I ran 16.3, it was really hot, I had 1/2 tank of gas, n at least 200+ lbs of crap in my trunk.. soo.. la la la 15's here I come!!!!!!

Pat - BRING IT ON!!!!! muahahahaha

[azeniskid]

slow slow slow slow slow slow slow slow slow..............

[mr_eh]

oh its in the process of being brung sweetheart.

and i have an automatic, my 16.3 was with an intake & a catback

we'll see how i do with a better breathing throttle body/intake manifold soon enough :) oh and some other new goodies...

and shut up spy, i hate you :( freaking 5spd bastard...

[litdevil316]

slow? man, i am currently in prosses of ordering my internals from Exploited Racing. just gotta wait for my mother to find the bank statement with that damn PayPal code. i hate PayPal. gonna go with the 9:1 0.020 over pistons and their rods and bearings. but anyone know od a good crank like one they have for the Eco?

[azeniskid]

for internals... honestly you should go through... www.carcustoms.net ... Karo is the shit, I've met with him personally...He's super fast on shipping and gets really great deals on pistons, rods and such..


nope no aftermarket cranks for the 2.4L... nobody has broken one yet either so that should make you feel better. If you're going boost, get it balanced, lightened and polished... or if you're going all moda... balance and polish it...

[gbe357]

Originally posted by mr_eh
hey urweak... i run a 16.3 too with just my ghetto intake & 2.25 compression bent cat-back with a magnaflow muffler, ho im/tb waiting to be put on in a few weeks :)... then some weight reduction, trying to break 16.0 before this seasons up in november... me and grandamchick (melanie) have been duke-ing it out for a while with our 2.4's, you seem to be 16.3 with us :)...

ok im going back to trolling...


Run at sea level, on a cold day..that will help a lot. Thats how I nudged my 2.4L under the 16.0 barrier. I was in the 16.2/16.3 range at Albany...80* and over 1000ft elevation.
At Orlando/Bithlo...I hit 15.9 in 60* weather at less than 150ft elevation.

[litdevil316]

Originally posted by azeniskid
for internals... honestly you should go through... www.carcustoms.net ... Karo is the shit, I've met with him personally...He's super fast on shipping and gets really great deals on pistons, rods and such..


nope no aftermarket cranks for the 2.4L... nobody has broken one yet either so that should make you feel better. If you're going boost, get it balanced, lightened and polished... or if you're going all moda... balance and polish it...

i couldnt find any pistons and rods on carcustoms.net. unless i just looked in the wrong spot. but would their valves be better or would exploited's be better? still thinking RSM for cams tho. they seem to be only ones that have any, unless some one else knows someone. i know ppl always talk about doing some 2.3 swap, but i want something i can order from here in Iraq and get my dad, in maryland, to have the local shop do the work.

[urweak]

www.jbodyperformance.com they have cams, claim 22whp gain

[azeniskid]

email carcustoms.net Karo has everything you need. and you won't have to wait either.. he carries everything in stock... no worries b just shoot him an email.

[urweak]

Hey phatblackgranda, what mufflers are those on your car?

[phatblackgranda]

there hks you sould buy the whole exhuast from me im getting a new one soon so if any wants to buy my old one let me know. its comes with a high flow cat then the cat back its 2.5" custom bent $300 and it yours

[urweak]

I would, but i dont want duals, useless weight.

[phatblackgranda]

NEW PART TO ADD TO MY LIST OF MODS IS A GM SUPERCHARGER SO HERES A FAST 2.4L ILL GET PIC SOON

[mr_eh]

16.170@84.34MPH
almost to 15's... my car still has room for improvement because it wasnt my best 60 foot time and the car can be cooled down a lot more...

3122lbs when racign with me in it, gonna go back again in a few days and try it with some more crap removed from the car and see what else i can do, maybe taking the filter off my intake or something...

i'd really like to be the first 2.4 automatic in the 15's with very minimal mods...

[SPECIALGAGT]

Hey, URWEEEEK, wha'hoppend to that 2.8 Quad putting out 800 Horses?? Did you trade it off?? But, seriozzly folks- - - - I got my '96 Ga Gt at a good deal, and don't wanna mess up the looks unless it's for a good reason. No coffee-can ricer tail-pipe (Say, just how does puttiong a 4" outlet onto a 2 1/2" inlet add any power ??). I first tried the "Radio-shack turbo option", and still have it wired to a dash-switch, but the effect is mostly only psychological. I am benching a 3.1 with 100,000 mi on it right now. Intend to incr valve-sizes and relieve the block to max. A Dr. Speed 3.4 TB is in the shipping-box, awaiting installation. Smoothing the intake side while it's all apart is a time-consuming job, but cheap if you do it yurseff. Mine's an auto-trans, so just re-springing and re-clutching the hydramatic is all I will do there.
I won't take on Corvettes, but just want to be the "quickest-to-65" GA on the block. Exterior is last, and mostly skirts and fairing there, a la Nascar bolt-ups. One $1.00 at a time, it's so easy !!

[SPECIALGAGT]

Hey, ...316, tnx for the TB @ 62mm lead. Also, URW... I am on your side as far as "bolt-on noise" is concerned. I just wanna show them my tail-lights and escape the "DUMMM-DUMMM" drone of those " " 12 inchers " " Yah, sure !! Used to be " Back In My Day " we'd say, "If it don't go, chrome it ." Now it seems like more of "If it don't go, BOOOOM it." Say, just how tight can the 2.4 motor wind out?? My 3.1 has a redline @ 6, but mechanic who saw that said, "That's not a limit, that's an 'explodes-here' warning."

[urweak]

SPECIALGAGT, do you have a problem? I have already stated that the car belongs to the owner of www.the-race-shop.com if you have a problem with that; by all means contact him at his site. Where did you ever get the idea that the car belonged to me? Are you so senile in your old age of 67 that you can read what people post? But anyways, what’s your problem?

[urweak]

Originally posted by mr_eh
i'd really like to be the first 2.4 automatic in the 15's with very minimal mods...

But you wouldnt be, gbe357 ran a 15.922@85.38 with an intake and catback (or tips idk) and hes an auto. also darkfox ran a 15.7 with his auto, but thats with probably more mods then you have.

Congrats on that run, what mods did you have when you made it?

[mr_eh]

does gbe357 have a 99+ ?

http://cardomain.com/id/mr_eh

2.25 piping from the cat to a 2.25 magnaflow muffler, no resonator

warm air intake, caspers fan switch, tr55 plugs... and thats it...

so intake & catback... basically

[urweak]

no hes a 96-98 http://www.gaownersclub.com/forum/member.php?s=&action=getinfo&userid=2150

so then you might be the first 99+ to break into the 15s

[urweak]

Originally posted by phatblackgranda
NEW PART TO ADD TO MY LIST OF MODS IS A GM SUPERCHARGER SO HERES A FAST 2.4L ILL GET PIC SOON

Thats awsome. What kinda of cars have you ever raced and beat that would be considered fast? And how do you like those spring tech sturts.

[phatblackgranda]

well since i put the supercharger on i havent lost yet and i raced a turbo mr2, my buddies golf 1.8t with intake exhaust and a chip, and a 1g talon with a small 16g was dead even with me

[urweak]

so id say your running a mid 14 or so maybe low 14

[phatblackgranda]

yeah around there

[litdevil316]

ok, gonna check him out. but i was warned about some thing by i guy i work with out here. if i drop the compression, will the rings hold out? they siad i could have pressure leaking from the rings and burn lots of oil. soulds like it could be if i remember how the rings work. but even they not sure since i wouldnt be droping the ratio that much.

[litdevil316]

and urweak, that link didnt work. sorry.

[litdevil316]

SPECIALGAGT - i'm always willing to help a fellow GA'er.

[Lash]

Originally posted by phatblackgranda
NEW PART TO ADD TO MY LIST OF MODS IS A GM SUPERCHARGER SO HERES A FAST 2.4L ILL GET PIC SOON

Sweet man!

I've seen you around a few times. I even raced you a loooong time ago (I missed 3rd...doh! ). If you see me around stop me and say hi. I'd like to check your car out. You've seen jake Drews car right? Nice to have more boosted 2.4's around here.


Just click the ling in my sig for my car...minus the rims (sold em).

[azeniskid]

<-------- boosted 2.4... on jackstands

[Lash]

^^^ lol...what else is new :P


:D

[urweak]

Originally posted by litdevil316
and urweak, that link didnt work. sorry.

im guessing your talking about the one to gbe357 profile. just search for him on here.

[azeniskid]

Originally posted by Lash
^^^ lol...what else is new :P


:D

not much.. I've owned the car since 2001....

and it's been in a not runing condition for about 12 months worth of my ownership.

maybe ill be able to enjoy the car this year.... that's the hope anyway

[phatblackgranda]

Lash i talk to jake all the time he cool and he's the one who gave me most of my info on put the s/c on a 96 and hes the reason why i got it after i rode in his car i was like i need that s/c

[Lash]

Yeah...Jake is a cool guy. He stops over every now and then. His car is sweet!

[azeniskid]

Originally posted by phatblackgranda
Lash i talk to jake all the time he cool and he's the one who gave me most of my info on put the s/c on a 96 and hes the reason why i got it after i rode in his car i was like i need that s/c

Do you still have the 2bar map sensor that goes w/ the supercharger? Care to sell it? Let's talk.

[litdevil316]

urweak, if that pro is the jbody link, then yea.


and i rechecked exploited, and their pistons come with rings, so it should be good with some boost, right?

[phatblackgranda]

azeniskid yes i would like to sell it make me an offer also if anyone need the injectors the came with the kit i will sell them too

[litdevil316]

what injecters are they? i see ya got the 96 2.4L.

[phatblackgranda]

the injecotrs will only work in 99+ 2.4ls

[Lash]

they are 310cc injectors

[urweak]

Originally posted by litdevil316
urweak, if that pro is the jbody link, then yea.

Im lost, what link are you talking about.

[litdevil316]

www.jbodyperformance.com


it didnt work when i first tryed to click into it.

[litdevil316]

but now it works, so all is good. maybe it was that computer i tryed it on.

[Pacman]

RSM Racing Supercharger Kit (For Sale :( )
JRC Front Mount Intercooler (30x6x2")
Mandrel Bent Intercooler Piping (2.5")
Apexi S-AFC (Super Air Flow Converter)
Vortech Adjustable Blow Off Valve
K&N Cone Air Filter
Magnaflow Muffler (14816)
RKSport Adjustable Fuel Pressure Regulator
RC Injectors (310cc)
Hayden Tranny Cooler (401)
GatorBack Belt
Denso Iridium Spark Plugs

[litdevil316]

Pac, i gotta ask, why ya selling it? and how much?

[litdevil316]

JP0302 - JBP 2.4L/ECOTEC Race Head
est gain of 33WHP
http://www.jbodyperformance.com/new/PartDetails.php?partId=302&catId=302&catName=JP0302


does anyone have any input about this deal? sounds like a good deal. but what ratio are their pistons? would like the 9.1 pstons from exploited since the lower ratio better for S/Cing.

[azeniskid]

Originally posted by litdevil316
JP0302 - JBP 2.4L/ECOTEC Race Head
est gain of 33WHP
http://www.jbodyperformance.com/new/PartDetails.php?partId=302&catId=302&catName=JP0302


does anyone have any input about this deal? sounds like a good deal. but what ratio are their pistons? would like the 9.1 pstons from exploited since the lower ratio better for S/Cing.

They're a good place to get products from. From the stuff you get sounds like a good deal to me. Especially w/ all the goodies you get in the package. Email them for more info on exactly what you'd be getting.

[WoR]

$2700 for 33whp??...

[Jigga9JayZ]

yea but thats a brand new head, pistons, etc.....you cant base hp on price alone...with that price you would then be ready for higher boost or other....and also more hp gained from other mods

[litdevil316]

yea. i e-mailed them same time i put that last post up. it does seem like a good deal, more so if i could get them 9.1:1 pistons for the S/Cing. now for the waiting game.

[GrandAmChick]

Originally posted by mr_eh
i'd really like to be the first 2.4 automatic in the 15's with very minimal mods...

Wishful thinking, eh?? ;)

Nov 13th babe. It's so on.

[Lash]

Sorry...my 1998 GAGT 2.4 auto ran a 15.9 with Intake, mufflers (welded onto stock pipe), and crank pulley 2 years ago :P
You'll have to be the first 99+ auto :D

[litdevil316]

oh yea.

Eagle H-Beam Forged Chromoly Steel Connecting Rod Set. $ 499.00
JBP #JP0302 2.4L Race Head. (Bored 20 over[to match the block], 9.0:1 compression pistons).
$3,499.00
Frictionless Clevitte 77 Cam Bearings.
$ 210.00
Clevitte 77 Rod Bearings.
$ 134.00
Clevitte77's and are $158.00 extra.

TOTAL
$ 4500.00 + shipping.

i asked them about a custom stroker crank, but the say it would cost close to 4700 to have a full custom one made up. and they dont think it would be worth it for the minimal gain. not sure to how the low compression will affect it all while not forced, but i do plan on getting a S/C once i get back state side.

[urweak]

go over to www.the-race-shop.com and ask about a stroker kit.

[litdevil316]

ok, this just in, thos prts are now paid for. just gotta wait for the michine work ten shipping. and it ws about 3600 or so. that figure i listed last post was CanBucks.

[urweak]

ran a new best of 16.118 at 84.72

[Pacman]

looks like i'm a little late to this thread. here's my setup:

RSM Racing Supercharger Kit
Vortech V9 Supercharger (SQ G-Trim)
JRC Front Mount Intercooler (30x6x2")
Mandrel Bent Intercooler Piping (2.5")
Apexi S-AFC (Super Air Flow Converter)
Vortech Adjustable Blow Off Valve
RSM Racing Reprogrammed ECU
K&N Cone Air Filter
Magnaflow Muffler (14816)
Custom Cat-Back Piping (2.25")
RKSport Adjustable Fuel Pressure Regulator
RC Injectors (310cc)
Hayden Tranny Cooler (401)
GatorBack Belt
Denso Iridium Spark Plugs

btw, if anyone is interested, my SC kit is for sale for $3100 shipped

[lookitstony]

Dunno havent done much yet... but i have a bad enough driving record.. i rather go in "BLING" then with speed... 15 points on my license right now...

but im impressed with this engine... its a 4 cyl... but it is faster then both my previous cars.. and the crown vic i been driving which was a v6..

[urweak]

Originally posted by lookitstony
Dunno havent done much yet... but i have a bad enough driving record.. i rather go in "BLING" then with speed... 15 points on my license right now...

but im impressed with this engine... its a 4 cyl... but it is faster then both my previous cars.. and the crown vic i been driving which was a v6..

ok.....:ghost: :lame:

[lookitstony]

lame / smart which ever ;)

[urweak]

Originally posted by lookitstony
lame / smart which ever ;)

So you can stick out, and be profiled by the police? or you can have a fast grand am that you can take to a track where its legal.

My choice > your choice

[azeniskid]

ROFLAO.... URWEAK you have 4 warning level points.

[urweak]

Originally posted by azeniskid
ROFLAO.... URWEAK you have 4 warning level points.

you have 22.

I called some kid a fag for calling bush a hick. so i got warned for it by jayhawk

[Lost My Keys]

i have 24 :-D and I have been graced by the mods a couple times... i should have like 50

how do you have 15 points and still drive? i thought limit was 12

[GrandAmChick]

So warning points are like post counts now? The more u have the cooler u are?

[Lost My Keys]

i dont remember anyone saying that... :roll:

21 and still can't read... what a shame

[urweak]

warning points are gangsta yo!

[GrandAmChick]

Originally posted by Lost My Keys
i dont remember anyone saying that... :roll:

21 and still can't read... what a shame

Lighten up. It was a joke. har har har.

[ramairgt1]

Originally posted by Lost My Keys
i dont remember anyone saying that... :roll:


21 and still can't read... what a shame

You seem to be one of the biggest *******s on this site..what a shame

[lookitstony]

Originally posted by urweak
So you can stick out, and be profiled by the police? or you can have a fast grand am that you can take to a track where its legal.

My choice > your choice


Your choice works for you yay ;)



but mine works much better for me :) i can be "profiled" but ive lightened my heavy foot a bit ;)












and its 12pt in 12 mo ... i have 15 in 3yrs nov 29th though 11 of them are gone.. yay me :) so i drive normal now because high insurance sucks :)

[azeniskid]

mmm I just don't get points on my license.. it's called working for an attorney...

[litdevil316]

points? i dont even know how many i got. but, make in 2000, the great state of Maryland did suspend me and never told me about it. i found out while in Texas and got a letter from the insurence company saying that i had long been suspended. how lovely? well, i got unsuspended in a hurry since i military and i never told me. good thing the Mil Police dont check ya out when they pull ya over on post........

[Sweet98GA]

hey kelly, i know im jumping into this about 5 pages late but lets talk about how RSM DOESNT support the entire GA community. I was in the works w/ nelson to develop a header that actually fit on the 96-98 2.4 motors. I went to toronto over the winter w/ my car so he could test fit everything and make sure it was good to go/ get it installed and drive home w/ a header. 2 hours after i dropped it off he called me at the hotel and said he couldnt do it. GM gave him the wrong specs and it wont fit. So back home i went. During my leaving we were talking about when he'd have it ready and bla bla bla. So for months i told everyone to hang on cause nelson took the numbers he needed off my car and he was going to make one that would fit. All thru feb, march, april and may we waited and someone asked me about it and since i hadn't heard from nelson i called him. And that **** had the balls to tell me "uh there isnt enough demand for us to make one" and hung up. THAT IS ****ING BULLSHIT. The whole time i'd call and check in he'd say "oh we are working on it" "oh its coming along" bla bla bla...just bullshitting me the whole time. So instead of going to a local guy to get a 1 off done i waited for nelson to get it done, and he didnt...just dragged me along. As far as im concerned RSM is a terrible company that over charges for their not anything special parts. At one point i was unwise and purchased the whole induction from them which was the biggest waste of 550 bucks i ever spent. So i guess they just like 99+ and cavi guys... *sigh*

[azeniskid]

they're silly people at RSM. That's what I know as a fact. They're making an assload on those throttlebody's... guaranteed. On all their products actually...

I wasn't impressed when I talked to them, and I was playing pretty dumb... but that's all I am going to say.

[mthegodfather]

Agter this strut tower bar group buy I have decided im not going to be dealing with them anymore. Very bad customer service.

[Pacman]

sweet98gt, you're not alone. i've been trying to get the SC Kit Installation Instructions from RSM for over a month now. my SC kit has been up for sale and i've been trying to get a hold of the install instructions to send with the kit, when it's sold. i've sent over 10 emails to them and still no instructions!

for example, here is my email i sent them:

"Hi,
I need a set of instructions on how to install the 2000 2.4L Grand Am RSM Supercharger Kit. Do you think you could send me the instructions via e-mail or through the mail? Thank you.
Daniel"

to only receive empty responses and further procrastination such as:

Response Oct 10: "Do you have our SC kit?"-

"Yes, I have the RSM Stage 1 Supercharger Kit for the 2000 Grand Am SE (2.4L Automatic). Unfortunately, I have run into financial problems and have no choice but to sell the kit. I am the owner of the Grand Am with the intercooler using your supercharger. I need the instructions because the shop that installed the kit for me trashed it after installation. Could you please send me another set of instructions? That would be really helpful
to the new owner of the kit. Thank you.
Daniel"

"Can we send you in electronic format?"- "Yes, an electronic format of instructions would be great! Thank you!"

"It is a 20MB file, can your e-mail accomodate it?" - "Yes, please send the instructions to ______@___.edu. Thank you."

4 emails later and no response from one... except for this one...

October 28th: "I am not sure if you received my last few e-mails. Please send the instructions for the 2.4L Supercharger Kit install to ______@___.edu. Thank you very much.
Daniel"

"Sorry, I thought it was done. [bull****]
We are at SEMA for two weeks, we will have to do it when we get back. [why can't they send the instructions right now?]"

SEMA has ended in Las Vegas. 2 emails later and no response. no instructions.

today's date is november 10th. 1 month from their first response. i've sent over 10 emails to them. i am still left without instructions, which only takes 2 minutes of their time to send via e-mail.

i'm quickly losing respect for this company

[urweak]

RSM = teh lose

After reading alot of the problems with the company, i would never buy a single thing from them. There are tons of other companies that I am willing to give my money.

www.carcustoms.net
www.the-race-shop.com
www.jbodyperformance.com
www.exploitedracing.com
and theres a few more. so if your looking for parts for your 2.4 then go to those sites. and stay away from the likes of RSM, RKsport, mantapart and the like.

[WoR]

I just dont get it. I have been trying to start my own business and its very hard to do. But if i was successful i would definetly treat every one of my customers like my life counted on it, and it would too cause that would be my way to make money. It is just stupid to have something so great and then treat it like it eternal and nothing can destroy it.

[azeniskid]

Yeah... SEMA is only 4 days... you set up your booth the two days prior... they were gone for a week and a half TOPS!!! in regards to RSM

[urweak]

so anyways, any other quick 2.4s around here? Whats everyone have done?

[GrandAmChick]

I would never purchase from RSM again EVER! They claim to have kickass customer service, but they really don't. Long story short, when I bought my tb/mani from them (for $600!!!!!!!!), it was their fault that the core I sent them back was lost, so they refused to refund me the $400 core I was supposed to receive. Nelson continually blamed UPS n yadda yadda yadda.. Recently I noticed they changed the prices on their website where the core is now worth $200 instead of 4, so I emailed Nelson again.. like wtf now u owe me $200 regardless if u have my parts or not. heh, that email was completely ignored.

***BEWARE WHEN DEALING WITH THESE CROOKS!!***

disclaimer: That's not slander either, cuz it's the truth!!!!!

[urweak]

buy a intake manifold and send that.

[GrandAmChick]

^ hmmm.. altho I already sent my stock manifold n tb n they were "destroyed" at customs.. that's an idea I didn't think of..

[urweak]

you figure you might be able to pick up one for like 20-40 bucks and maybe the TB for the same, so 80 for the two parts, and you get 400 back.

[litdevil316]

well, i only delt with RSM for the TB and STB, wich took forever it seemed to get to me. then being in the army, i didnt get the damn TB installed till after the 30mark for the damn core charge refund. and the bolts on the back botom of the manny (hose to EGR) are NOT the right one. i emiled them about that, no responce. but i do like the TB its self.

[urweak]

Originally posted by litdevil316
well, i only delt with RSM for the TB and STB, wich took forever it seemed to get to me. then being in the army, i didnt get the damn TB installed till after the 30mark for the damn core charge refund. and the bolts on the back botom of the manny (hose to EGR) are NOT the right one. i emiled them about that, no responce. but i do like the TB its self.

Even though that TB gave you 0hp gains

[azeniskid]

Originally posted by urweak
Even though that TB gave you 0hp gains

Give me proof, proof that is undeniable. Hard evidence, not theory.

[urweak]

Originally posted by azeniskid
Give me proof, proof that is undeniable. Hard evidence, not theory.

Give me hard proof that theres a gain.

[azeniskid]

Originally posted by urweak
Give me hard proof that theres a gain.


search button on j-body... before they restarted the forums again.

[mr_eh]

the tb does help, if you have the mods to accomodate it...

down to 16.1 :) gunning for .0 or .9 soon... soon...

[urweak]

Originally posted by mr_eh
the tb does help, if you have the mods to accomodate it...

down to 16.1 :) gunning for .0 or .9 soon... soon...

?? you ran faster with a TB?

[Lash]

A bigger t.b. does help...but you can't just go and slap one on a stock car and expect a noticeable gain. What it really does is help your other mods produce more power.

[urweak]

and whats censored about your motor?

[litdevil316]

they claim 10hp from it w/ the manifold. i cant say it was that much, but i did notice it. that i can say. i dont have a dyno sitting outside the army barracks parking lot where i put the thing on at, but i did notice it.

[litdevil316]

hey urweak, what ever happened to the group buy you posted about on my cardomain? i almost forgot about it untill i was updating my cardomain and realized that it was you.

"urweak: I see that you have a 96-98 grand am, and i was wondering if you were interested in buying a Carbon Fiber Hood with me from VIS Racing. We need 20 people for them to make the hood and it will cost $450 per hood. email me back at *****@netscape.net if your interested."

[urweak]

that was a no go, no1 really wanted to. so i gave up like a year ago or longer. but you can get the JSP CF hood.

[litdevil316]

yea, i had almost forgoten about it since i didnt get a response. and it never clicked in till i updated my site yesterday that that was you. it all cool tho. they got a web site that haas the hood on it?

[urweak]

http://www.gaownersclub.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=33690&highlight=cf+hood

www.jspamerica.com

[litdevil316]

is there any more infor about it? they got no pic or price that i saw. but thanx anyway.

[urweak]

go to that thread above it, theres a picture, and info on a group buy

[litdevil316]

ok. but does that listing still stand? its a month old and their website doest have any info under the part listing.

[97mintga]

When modding a car you have to have a gameplan. Mine started with looks annd sound and now i will start to visit my favorite website www.rsmracing.com and spend all of my money there.


I really didn't do it because of the fast and the furious, i just wanted my shit to look pimp!

[urweak]

Originally posted by 97mintga
When modding a car you have to have a gameplan. Mine started with looks annd sound and now i will start to visit my favorite website www.rsmracing.com and spend all of my money there.


I really didn't do it because of the fast and the furious, i just wanted my shit to look pimp!

Theres alot better places then RSM, you can get parts from here in the US for about the same price or less. theres www.the-race-shop.com www.carcustoms.net both of those sites has just about everything RSM can offer, besides the supercharger and you can get a better charger at a dealership for about 2300 instead of rsm's for 4000

[99GrandAMSE]

Originally posted by urweak
Theres alot better places then RSM, you can get parts from here in the US for about the same price or less. theres www.the-race-shop.com www.carcustoms.net both of those sites has just about everything RSM can offer, besides the supercharger and you can get a better charger at a dealership for about 2300 instead of rsm's for 4000

:(

[jayhawk]

Cheaper or not, RSM has helped build our community.

[99GrandAMSE]

Originally posted by jayhawk
Cheaper or not, RSM has helped build our community.

Thank you Jay!

[urweak]

Originally posted by jayhawk
Cheaper or not, RSM has helped build our community.

granted, but its always good to know that their are other places out there that are cheaper, carcustoms has free shipping on just about everything they sell, and TRS is a better version of mantapart (granted it doesnt yet offer the kind of stuff mantapart has yet anyways)

But you guys are right they have helped out, so people should help them out. i just see it as being easier to buy from here in the USA then spend money in Canada, so maybe i like to support a coutry that has protected me all my life idk. (im not trying to argue and what not, just rambling)

[azeniskid]

Originally posted by jayhawk
Cheaper or not, RSM has helped build our community.

Buying parts should not be dependant on who built what community. That isn't a basis for smart buying for someone who is trying to make the best out of their car.


sorry I found this absolutely hilarious...

they have cams for the 2.3 quad... for $1000, yikes.

RSM performance cams for 2.3 engine (15-18 HP increase, 410 lift and 220 duration). Cam carrier core charge applies, uses stock lifters.

and lookie here, stock 2.3 cam specs from the peppier motors, which you can still get for much cheaper.

Stock 2.3 HO cams Specs
212 degrees @ .050" with .410" lift for the intake
212 degrees @ .050" with .410" lift for the exhaust

Stock 2.3 W41 cams Specs
218 degrees @ .050" with .410" lift for the intake
218 degrees @ .050" with .410" lift for the exhaust

a much cheaper way of doing things.... let's not forget the fact that those cams they list will suck w/o an HO or W41 programmed ecu.

[99GrandAMSE]

Originally posted by azeniskid
Buying parts should not be dependant on who built what community. That isn't a basis for smart buying for someone who is trying to make the best out of their car ...

... the concept is called 'appreciation' and 'respect' when you include a company like RSM in your purchase requirements Rob ... it is also in bad taste to continually bad mouth a company on a forum which is supported by said company (and I do realize that no one was saying anything really wrong in this particular thread but I have seen similar statements previously and I wanted to put forth my feelings) ... while the GAOC doesn't generally like to limit what our members can, or cannot, talk about when it comes to different aftermarket companies, it should be automatic that you don't intentionally try and alway steer potential customers to vendors who don't help our the community ... sure, if there are 'other' places to get components, I agree, post it but there is no need to belittle a Supporter to the point where you are taking business away ... it just isn't fair to them, or us :(

[Lash]

True...but people have the right to be educated on what they are about to buy. If a company wants to stay competitive they should adjust prices accordingly.
People deserve to get the most for their money. It's just business.

But RSM does make some quality products.

[99GrandAMSE]

Originally posted by Lash
True...but people have the right to be educated on what they are about to buy. If a company wants to stay competitive they should adjust prices accordingly.
People deserve to get the most for their money. It's just business ...

Of course, I agree 100% ... all I was saying is that one should contact supportive companies automatically for this suggestions/pricing but if they are not competitive or don't offer what you require, by all means, buy elsewhere and get what you want and for how much you want to pay ... I never meant to infer anything to the contrary.

Originally posted by Lash
... But RSM does make some quality products.

Yes they do :)

[phatblackgranda]

ill stick with karo @ carcustoms, thats the best service ive ever had can he can get basically anything you need

[urweak]

Originally posted by phatblackgranda
ill stick with karo @ carcustoms, thats the best service ive ever had can he can get basically anything you need

x10000000000000000000000000

With all the problems in the community with slow shipping and run arounds, he is awsome, ships when he says he shipped, and takes care of ANY problems........ great guy.

[azeniskid]

Originally posted by 99grandamse
... the concept is called 'appreciation' and 'respect' when you include a company like RSM in your purchase requirements Rob

sure, if there are 'other' places to get components, I agree, post it but there is no need to belittle a Supporter to the point where you are taking business away ... it just isn't fair to them, or us :(

no 2.3 quad4 owner should ever have to pay $1000 for cams. No I'm not talking about the 2.4L LD9. I'm talking about the quad4. Not a single one of those owners should have to pay $1000 for some cams. Especially when all they're getting is a cam that's similar to a W41 cam.

[99GrandAMSE]

Whatever fellas :( ... buy what you want from wherever you want, OK ... I am done trying to assist you in understanding the art of 'community appreciation' ... I never said it was EXPECTED for ANYONE to buy ANYTHING from ANYONE in particular for more than it could be bought elsewhere ... all I said, and I stand by my statements, is it is 'proper' to at least INCLUDE these type of Supporters in your initial selection of companies to purchase from but if they cannot compete economically, fine ... do what you want, you're on your own ... GEEEEZ ... and people wonder why I sometimes get tired of this place :roll: ... enjoy your 4-bangers!!

[DontPassTheFence]

I love my 4 cylinder engine, I would have got the 6 if Pontiac had the enginuity to pair a good 5speed transmission up to a 3100, 3400 found in the GAs. but since they didnt, Ill take my faster 4 cylinder engine with the 5speed, thank you very much.

[jayhawk]

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