Know anything about this........

[wickedclwn]

I was surfing the net and came across this site. It sounds kinda cheesy to me but.....

[voyager]

no link?

[99GrandAMSE]

Got me curious now?!? :lol:

[doobiess]

must be referring to this site... HEY MAN DONT CALL THIS SITE CHEEZY... lol sorry had to say that

[wickedclwn]

oops it didnt post sorry bout that the site is

www.aquatune.com

[Peyman]

looks interesting...but im 99.9% sure its crap

[Gimli]

That's wonderful! Everybody knows water helps with combustion!

:shake:

[Silver99SE]

Ok, the hell if I'm mixing water with my fuel. I'm no mechanical engineer, but isn't that idea rediculous? I understand the concept, but I don't see how our computer controlled engines would be able to understand what was happening. When I think of this setup I just picture someone saying "Well, got it hooked up, lets go drag race! *rrr rrr rrr rrr * Why isn't this thing starting?"

[Colin]

Water injection has been around for years , muscle cars in the 60's used it to help stop pinging . The theory is you can advance your timing for more power without ruining your engine .

[RickHigginsHtbr]

*note*
Look in the FAQ section about the Saab, the dude is putting peroxide and alcohol in it, mainly.... no wonder he's getting gains. This whole thing just seems wierd.... But, I am curious about it at the same time. Anyone wanna buy a junker and hook it up to see how it really works?

[Old Guy]

Originally posted by Colin
Water injection has been around for years , muscle cars in the 60's used it to help stop pinging . The theory is you can advance your timing for more power without ruining your engine .

Exactly....in fact it was used by the US military in WW II and Korea on aircraft engines.

[99GrandAMSE]

Originally posted by Colin
Water injection has been around for years , muscle cars in the 60's used it to help stop pinging . The theory is you can advance your timing for more power without ruining your engine .

:agree:

[Gimli]

Yeah but on our engines you can't really adjust the timing (except through PCM reprogram) so it would be pretty pointless IMO.

[Old Guy]

I just read the entire ad for it.........why don't you just buy it and report back to us. Hell....it's "only" $379.50!!









j/k :) I honestly have to agree with Ben. I don't know if it would work on the newer engines and if it does, those HP gains are pretty far out there.

[wickedclwn]

i just thought it was very funny to see someone trying to sell this item!

[Xidion]

"ultra-sonic air regulator" ROFL! :lol: 100% pos right there i wouldnt give them 2cents for it.

[GaSC/Tnfs]

Yeah but on our engines you can't really adjust the timing (except through PCM reprogram) so it would be pretty pointless IMO.


Not true... from what I know the Mass Air Flow sensor is constantly adjusting timing, amount of fuel, and time the injectors stay open due to density of air? I mean the idea of mixing water with air to increase density is sound.

however again "from what I know" modifying a computer that's meant to think one thing to think another can't ever be a good thing. so I wouldn't spend 3 dollars on that product let alone almost 400!:lol:

[RamAirGAGT]

Well, I think it is mainly for removing carbon deposits. On older cars you could pour water down the carburetor and decarbonize the engine. It smokes like a SOB, but it does the job and for less money.

[Gimli]

Originally posted by GaSC/Tnfs
Not true... from what I know the Mass Air Flow sensor is constantly adjusting timing, amount of fuel, and time the injectors stay open due to density of air? I mean the idea of mixing water with air to increase density is sound.

The MAF has nothing to do with timing, the knock sensor does. Again, there's no easy way to adjust timing, except through a PCM reprogram.

[doobiess]

actually if you can believe it i know someone that installed one of these things... and it was on a carb... engine ... and well i wondered what the hell he was doing but he claimed it was alot better.. and i didnt quite see how... but i never went for a ride in his car or anything but who knows.... personally i wouldnt

[Mr.Efficiency]

the water just cools the cylinder temps and when air is cooler its denser which means you get more air into the cylinder and as mentioned above it prevents carbon buildup, I know it sounds dumb but it makes sence and it works al long as your not pumping in gallons just enough for it to do it job. And every engine is diffrent so you'll have to decided how much is to much.

[Gimli]

By the time air get's in the cylinder it doesn't matter what temperature the cylinder is, it won't just suddenly become denser.

[Colin]

The water doesn't add any power . It cools the combustion temp which helps prevent pinging , which in turn will allow you to run more timing or higher compression . Those give you the extra power .

[TA^Guy]

Not only does the water cool cylinder temps, it helps mainly because under the high heat and high pressure conditions the water turns into water vapor and acts as a buffer of sorts to add density and soften the combustion process to reduce the chance of internal damage in higher compression applications.

So unless your running a lot of static compression, or a lot of positive boost pressure due to a turbo or supercharger than water injection is not what you need.

Originally posted by GaSC/Tnfs
Not true... from what I know the Mass Air Flow sensor is constantly adjusting timing, amount of fuel, and time the injectors stay open due to density of air? I mean the idea of mixing water with air to increase density is sound.
Originally posted by Gimli
The MAF has nothing to do with timing, the knock sensor does. Again, there's no easy way to adjust timing, except through a PCM reprogram.
:agree:

Three totally different thing and the MAF only monitor one of them.

The MAF meters how much air is entering the engine so the computer can adjust the proper amount of fuel. As for air density that is the job of the air intake tempature sensor. Ignition timing is adjusted by the computer due to harmonic disturbances picked up by the knock sensor.

[RickHigginsHtbr]

Originally posted by TA^Guy
Not only does the water cool cylinder temps, it helps mainly because under the high heat and high pressure conditions the water turns into water vapor and acts as a buffer of sorts to add density and soften the combustion process to reduce the chance of internal damage in higher compression applications.

So unless your running a lot of static compression, or a lot of positive boost pressure due to a turbo or supercharger than water injection is not what you need.

Originally posted by Gimli
The MAF has nothing to do with timing, the knock sensor does. Again, there's no easy way to adjust timing, except through a PCM reprogram.
:agree:

Three totally different thing and the MAF only monitor one of them.

The MAF meters how much air is entering the engine so the computer can adjust the proper amount of fuel. As for air density that is the job of the air intake tempature sensor. Ignition timing is adjusted by the computer due to harmonic disturbances picked up by the knock sensor. [/QUOTE]

Do you think the computers in our cars would automatically advance the timing enough to make a difference? In theory they should, but I don't know if theres something in the programming that wouldn't allow it to be advanced too far. I really think someone with some extra cash needs to buy this and test it out still.

[RamAirGAGT]

The only time I know of when timing is advanced even more is at higher speeds. The plug must fire even earlier because, of course, the speed of the pistons is increased.