Car voting was tough for me. Anyone else? [Archive]

angelluv98

10-01-2004, 07:50 AM

Riley1123d

10-01-2004, 07:53 AM

Yeah, I voted based on the background also.. Not to pick favorites, but #29, along with being in the calender, should be on the cover, it's AMAZING!

99GrandAMSE

10-01-2004, 08:10 AM

Originally posted by Riley1123d
... should be on the cover, it's AMAZING!

Their are current plans for the cover :wink4: but should it not 'pan out' then we'll have to think of something different :)

Chain

10-01-2004, 08:15 AM

I have to agree my votes were not just car but the over all shot. I was thinking more of the lines of would you see this shot on a professional mag cover.

If pic 50 would have been in color OMG that would have been my first vote. Awsome shot, I just don't care much for B/W.

BleakGT

10-01-2004, 08:16 AM

Originally posted by 99grandamse
Depends on who is voting ... to me, it is all to do with the picture and not so much the car in it ... yes, the car is important but the quality of the picture is preferred in my opinion.

In regards to having ALL Grand Ams represented, I would like to see this as well ... here's hoping ... got to remember though, the more flashy the car, the more popular it or its driver may be so it is human nature to vote for friends and there isn't much we can do about that, sorry :(

So, let me ask you a serious question.....say, for example, there is a car on here that has a really large amount of votes, and you pretty much know that it is because of their amount of friends in the community, and you decide that you do not want it in the calendar.....will you make that decision or will you put it in based on the large amount of votes? Hope that makes sense.

I guess what I am trying to say is that there are quite a few submissions that are really nice, clean, and the picture is SHARP. What if those cars don't get more than a few votes? Will they still have an opportunity to be chosen?

99GrandAMSE

10-01-2004, 08:42 AM

... problem is, we wanted the Calendar to be "as chosen by the membership" so if I overrule their choices there wasn't much sense in proceeding along through this the way we have when I could have simply pick them all myself ... if this doesn't appear to work out fairly, next year we may have to re-evaluate how this is handled but we have to start someplace :)

WhiPontiac

10-01-2004, 08:52 AM

Are we allowed to submit more pictures or is it locked?

Chain

10-01-2004, 10:17 AM

It’s locked voting already started.
As far as being fair and all the other stuff I have read, I do not seem to see what all the problem is. It’s a vote left up to the GA community of this forum. Seems fair to me and I think it was an awesome idea and was done as fair as possible.
I think these guys are doing a great job.

HighwayProwlerz

10-01-2004, 11:20 AM

I had such a hard time picking 12 cars. No problem picking 6... but 12.... geez. I could only find 6 I liked over at the other site too.

Lost My Keys

10-01-2004, 11:47 AM

wait? i missed it? is there a link to the thread?

Artic

10-01-2004, 11:49 AM

Here (http://www.gaownersclub.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=32837)

30thAnnGAGT

10-01-2004, 03:15 PM

It is difficult to choose. I found 12 that I liked. I do have to admit it's hard to be unbiased

RomeoGAOC

10-01-2004, 08:50 PM

First time through, i picked the 5 or 6 or so that REALLY stood out as far as the car went. Then I picked out the rest that had good picture setting. Then I picked the only 89-91 Ga there. Then I filled. G-Damn I wish I entered that thing.

cindylacey

10-01-2004, 10:22 PM

it almost seems you have to be very popular on this site or have a lot of mods on your car but thats alright i guess there always next year

Chain

10-01-2004, 10:33 PM

honestly I do not think being popular has anything to do with it.
I like the looks of mods and if a car has mods and its a good pic I am going to vote for it. I dont even like 4 doors but there was a few that was just a dang nice pic all around so I voted for it.
Sorry to say there was a few others that if not for the glair, background, bad angle they would have gotten my vote. Its all good fun, I am looking forward to seeing the outcome. You can just about tell already. LOL

EKling

10-01-2004, 11:00 PM

An older GA with alot of mods yet a very bad picture quality still has more votes then me.

Chain

10-01-2004, 11:29 PM

yeah I couldn't quite figure that one out myself but its up to the people it's how they want to vote. lot of nice looking GA's though. Mater of fact I believe I voted for yours. Thought it was a nice shot.

crazeyGT

10-01-2004, 11:51 PM

Originally posted by HighwayProwlerz
I had such a hard time picking 12 cars. No problem picking 6... but 12.... geez. I could only find 6 I liked over at the other site too.
yeah it is tough choice, and much more submissions here too to choose from

Lost My Keys

10-02-2004, 12:52 AM

shoulda picked 11 cars, and made one month a collage of all the rest of the submissions

Entombed GT

10-02-2004, 01:18 AM

Originally posted by Chain
yeah I couldn't quite figure that one out myself but its up to the people it's how they want to vote. lot of nice looking GA's though. Mater of fact I believe I voted for yours. Thought it was a nice shot.

(I voted for his too :) )

Right? I was under the impression that one of the key factors for the submittal was that your picture was of good, clean quality. Also, backdrop IS important, but at the same time, should NOT take away from the center of interest, correct? Quite a few pics I find myself staring at the pretty backrop more than I do the car in the picture.

Originally posted by cindylacey
it almost seems you have to be very popular on this site or have a lot of mods on your car but thats alright i guess there always next year

:agree:

Uh huh. That kind of bothers me, only because I thought this calendar was supposed to represent ALL GA's whether they be modded highly, moderately, or not at all.

HighwayProwlerz

10-02-2004, 01:30 AM

Well I thought the picture I took of mine was totally awesome yet I am barely in the top 40%.... hmmm... oh well. I am still going to get a calendar whether or not my car is in it or not.

BleakGT

10-02-2004, 01:35 AM

Hmmmm.....so I can see that one of the months there is going to be a blurry shot of a black car next to a shiny purple building. Not sure what type of car it is, it is soo far away.....and blurry.

Amazes me that a very bad picture such as #38 would have more votes than alot of pictures that are of great quality.

Total popularity contest.

Chain

10-02-2004, 08:42 AM

Originally posted by BleakGT
Hmmmm.....so I can see that one of the months there is going to be a blurry shot of a black car next to a shiny purple building. Not sure what type of car it is, it is soo far away.....and blurry.

Amazes me that a very bad picture such as #38 would have more votes than alot of pictures that are of great quality.

Total popularity contest.

I do not see how everyone keeps calling it a popularity contest. I could not put but maybe two names with any car on there. And why would you vote for a car you do not like?
Well we all think we have a awsome great looking car and think it should get the votes.
Fact I have to face, Older ga, no mods, rims most dont like. But I actuall didn't plan on making the calendar I was just glad to get my car fixed from the wreck.
I know at least 7 or 9 of the top ones I voted for. I mean freaking nice car with just the perfect setting. Why wouldn't anyone vote for it?

BTW the blurry pics will not make the calender that has been posted in the rules.

Old Guy

10-02-2004, 08:57 AM

Originally posted by Chain
I do not see how everyone keeps calling it a popularity contest.

I agree! Hell, I'm the most popular guy on here and I'm in the bottom ten!!! :lol: j/k

Actually, I had a hard time voting because I was more interested in just how the photo would look on a calender. Some of the cars I really like didn't have a great backdrop and some of the cars I'm not thrilled about did.

I'm dissapointed that there are not and pre-99 GAs in the top 12 and I was also disppointed that some the nicest pre 99s didn't submit a photo.

EKling

10-02-2004, 10:36 AM

I was gonna submit this but couldn't make up my mind.

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_img_a/632846_128_full.jpg

gbe357

10-02-2004, 10:42 AM

shoulda submitted this one...http://activities.fit.edu/thetaxi/buttons/gbe357/grandam41.jpg
instead of this one...http://activities.fit.edu/thetaxi/buttons/gbe357/grandam30.jpg

BleakGT

10-02-2004, 10:55 AM

Originally posted by gbe357
shoulda submitted this one...http://activities.fit.edu/thetaxi/buttons/gbe357/grandam41.jpg
instead of this one...http://activities.fit.edu/thetaxi/buttons/gbe357/grandam30.jpg

what the hell are you complaining about? Your car is dirty and you have more votes that alot of people on there.

lamonpat

10-02-2004, 11:15 AM

I had a hard time too to decided which ones I really liked.

Also, I voted for mine (#35) because I thought that my pic was looking as good, if not more than many of the others pic submitted.

GtOfDeath

10-02-2004, 01:01 PM

It waz really hard to decided what pics to vote for. Theres alot of nice pics thats forsure. I voted for mine to. I hope its ok that u vote for ur own car.

cindylacey

10-02-2004, 03:19 PM

shouldve use this one instead

Old Guy

10-02-2004, 03:42 PM

/\ That's a great pic!!

Chain

10-02-2004, 06:13 PM

Originally posted by cindylacey
shouldve use this one instead

I agree you should have. I would have voted for it even though its a 4 door. That is a nice shot.

Wait a sec hmmmmmmmm
I think I debated for a bit on that one. Don't take this wrong but I hate 4 doors, always have but the pic was bright with good sharp color, car was looking good, no glair, background looked good. The curb should have been cut out of the pic.
I believe you left me no choice but to vote for it. That is one sharp looking red.

TA^Guy

10-02-2004, 08:01 PM

Originally posted by BleakGT
So, let me ask you a serious question.....say, for example, there is a car on here that has a really large amount of votes, and you pretty much know that it is because of their amount of friends in the community, and you decide that you do not want it in the calendar.....will you make that decision or will you put it in based on the large amount of votes? Hope that makes sense.

I guess what I am trying to say is that there are quite a few submissions that are really nice, clean, and the picture is SHARP. What if those cars don't get more than a few votes? Will they still have an opportunity to be chosen?
A vote is a vote.
If they were going to pick and choose who made it to the calender I don't think they would have asked us to vote on it. Does that clear it up for you at all?
Originally posted by BleakGT
what the hell are you complaining about? Your car is dirty and you have more votes that alot of people on there.
Wow what a lemon.
I mean could you possibally sound any more bitter?

Trevlya006

10-02-2004, 08:25 PM

Originally posted by Chain
I have to agree my votes were not just car but the over all shot. I was thinking more of the lines of would you see this shot on a professional mag cover.

If pic 50 would have been in color OMG that would have been my first vote. Awsome shot, I just don't care much for B/W.

took the pic in both.. i love B&W so i kept it there, but the pic i took was only 320X 400 or something so they blew it up and it looks low quality..

but i reformatted my computer, or i would have posted the pic in color in here :(

99GrandAMSE

10-02-2004, 09:36 PM

... I didn't mean to upset anyone, I thought this was the fairest way to handle picking who was in the calendar ... sorry, it was not my intension t sadden anyone :(

Trevlya006

10-02-2004, 09:47 PM

i have 3 suggestions for people when taking pics
1 dont be affraid, its a car, its not going to hurt to get close
Ex: pic 29, 4, 13, 22,
2 most calanders of cars show the whole car not bi sections or just a top half..
Ex: pic 27, 33, 37, 42
3 take into effect that pics are not based on the car but the whole pic like everyone has said. and the SC/T or BK cars dont need to win and frankly i dont even want to see pic 29 in there because it could have been 100 times better..

i am not saying that my pics are any better, but i still think that a majority of you could have done a better job

-trev in a bad mood

Chain

10-02-2004, 11:06 PM

Originally posted by 99grandamse
... I didn't mean to upset anyone, I thought this was the fairest way to handle picking who was in the calendar ... sorry, it was not my intension t sadden anyone :(

Personally I think it was an awesome idea and handled the best way I can see. The only thing we might do next year (I am sure we will do it again because it’s really cool idea). Not allow submissions if they do not meet the criteria. Meaning Size of pixels. That will just keep a car that cant make the calendar from maybe even winning not getting his car posted on the calendar because when its blown up its all pixels and blurry.

No kissing up here but I don't see what all the problem is. I think everything was fair and done with the best intentions in mind. I just had trouble picking 12 because there is so many cool GA’s to pick from.

VanishingImage

10-02-2004, 11:46 PM

This was a good idea.The only bad thing is when you have a huge amount of people,everyone isn't gonna be pleased with the outcome,some people will be or try to be biased with voting some won't,some will vote for the car,which I mean is the focal point,its the part of the picture that stands out,it is a Grand Am OwnersClub Calender,not just a background calender,still have to have grea background tho....I do think next year or the next time one is put out,let the Administrators hand pic,since this was based off the GA of the Week,and those being picked by Kelly or Shawn,the same should go for the Calender,that way theres no arguing about popularity,we all know Shawn and Kelly are guys that don't just pick the car they feel is the single most awesome car,cuz every single car is different,some modify,some stay stock.But like I said,should have been Shawn and Kelly that picked the 12,no one argues with their dicision,if they don't like it then too bad,life goes on.I only submitted a photo cuz I thought it was a great idea and liked the idea of having my car in a Calender or something that would let it be seen and also to see other members cars since some people don't often show pictures of their cars.

Old Guy

10-02-2004, 11:46 PM

Originally posted by 99grandamse
... I didn't mean to upset anyone, I thought this was the fairest way to handle picking who was in the calendar ... sorry, it was not my intension t sadden anyone :(

There will always be someone that calls foul just because they didn't come out on top. If you weren't willing to have your car or photo judged by your peers you shouldn't have submitted it.

Jscarano13

10-02-2004, 11:53 PM

amen I just said hey if i win i win. I voted and well let the judging be the rest. Its like a pageant (sp) if your not comfortable with yourself dont enter, same with the car. If you win you win, thats just that. J

RyanB

10-03-2004, 12:59 AM

Man number 29 looks really nice that looks good with the building in it actually all the pics look very nice everyone took a good pic of their cars. To me it is not how the pic looks it is the effort of actualy going somewhere taking a pic and entering it. That says alot to me about those who entered. Once again great looking pics actualy they all are except one and that would be mine.

gbe357

10-03-2004, 09:59 AM

Originally posted by BleakGT
what the hell are you complaining about? Your car is dirty and you have more votes that alot of people on there.

;) true...you should see it...maybe tonight or tomarrow night, since i have the days off from work.

Originally posted by TA^Guy
Wow what a lemon.
I mean could you possibally sound any more bitter?

I think she was kidding...cause on the phone I was telling her about how I havent washed or vacuumed my car since July...and that it has water damage from Francis and Jeanne.

TA^Guy

10-03-2004, 10:30 AM

Originally posted by Old Guy
There will always be someone that calls foul just because they didn't come out on top. If you weren't willing to have your car or photo judged by your peers you shouldn't have submitted it.
Originally posted by Jscarano13
amen I just said hey if i win i win. I voted and well let the judging be the rest. Its like a pageant (sp) if your not comfortable with yourself dont enter, same with the car. If you win you win, thats just that. J

I agree. :agree:

TA^Guy

10-03-2004, 10:33 AM

Originally posted by Trevlya006
i have 3 suggestions for people when taking pics
1 dont be affraid, its a car, its not going to hurt to get close
Ex: pic 29, 4, 13, 22,
2 most calanders of cars show the whole car not bi sections or just a top half..
Ex: pic 27, 33, 37, 42
3 take into effect that pics are not based on the car but the whole pic like everyone has said. and the SC/T or BK cars dont need to win and frankly i dont even want to see pic 29 in there because it could have been 100 times better..

i am not saying that my pics are any better, but i still think that a majority of you could have done a better job

-trev in a bad mood
You feeling ok?

The obvious reason #29 isn't up close and personal was to take advantage of the great background which complements the vehicle prefectly.

And please explain how #29 could have been 100 times better and still being an amature photo?

2001GAGT

10-03-2004, 11:44 AM

Originally posted by Beanz
...To me it is not how the pic looks it is the effort of actualy going somewhere taking a pic and entering it. That says alot to me about those who entered. Once again great looking pics ...

Very well said. I am sorry if it the voting is not going the way some had hopped, but this is the first time we have done anthing like this there is going to be proplems. In fact if the mods and admin or just the admin decided who was going to be in the calander, there would be complants to. I just reviewed (quickley) what the numbers were and I seen Stock looking GA's and modded GA's. As for any "blury" pics in the top 12 I have trust in the guys looking after the calander not no enter anything that is not going to look good in a calanader.

Again we are sorry if the way of picking the car has upset anyone but the voting amoung the peers was seen as the best why to do this.

Again someone is always going to be upset, not matter what you do in life you can not keep everyone happy that is a fact.

So with that said, lets keep this clean (Not saying it isn't) and keep your cool. We all see things in a different light, that is what makes life interesting.

Brad97GS

10-03-2004, 12:02 PM

Well said, Greg! :)

BleakGT

10-03-2004, 12:05 PM

Originally posted by TA^Guy
A vote is a vote.
If they were going to pick and choose who made it to the calender I don't think they would have asked us to vote on it. Does that clear it up for you at all?

Wow what a lemon.
I mean could you possibally sound any more bitter?

Wow. What a buffoon. Yes, thank you so much - you have you have cleared it up so much for me. I was so lost until you spelled it all out for me. :roll2:

Jason (GBE357) is a GOOD FRIEND OF MINE. I was joking w/him.

I think that alot of the submittals that are coming up on top definitely deserve it. I also think that there are a few that are coming up on top that are very similar in the quality, style and angle of other pictures, but those other pictures are not being picked due to the lack of member popularity. Anyone that tries to deny that I say you are mistaken. But, hey - this type of thing is bound to happen and should be expected in a "contest" like this. :shrug:

Brad97GS

10-03-2004, 12:10 PM

Originally posted by BleakGT

Jason (GBE357) is a GOOD FRIEND OF MINE. I was joking w/him.

I'm sorry, but none of us know that you two are good friends. If you are joking, you need to make that apparent on the internet, and your original statement did sound very bitter.

Kelly and Shawn had the best of intentions with this calendar, and having people complain about the results is NOT what they deserve!

TA^Guy

10-03-2004, 12:59 PM

Originally posted by BleakGT
I think that alot of the submittals that are coming up on top definitely deserve it. I also think that there are a few that are coming up on top that are very similar in the quality, style and angle of other pictures, but those other pictures are not being picked due to the lack of member popularity. Anyone that tries to deny that I say you are mistaken. But, hey - this type of thing is bound to happen and should be expected in a "contest" like this. :shrug:
Well seeing as we have a lot of members on this forum I'm sure not everyone know who's car is who's just by the photos. I personally only know a few of them because I have seen them in person with my own two eyes. I think the fact that there are numbers assigned to the photo and not screen names helps reduce the popularity contest a little.

Either way if that is the photo people want to look at for a entire month, then the people have spoken.

BleakGT

10-03-2004, 01:13 PM

Originally posted by Brad97GS
I'm sorry, but none of us know that you two are good friends. If you are joking, you need to make that apparent on the internet, and your original statement did sound very bitter.

Um, hello? I didn't need to make my intentions apparent to anyone simply because it was not directed to you, or anyone else but him, and he knows I was joking.

Gimli

10-03-2004, 02:12 PM

Originally posted by BleakGT
Um, hello? I didn't need to make my intentions apparent to anyone simply because it was not directed to you, or anyone else but him, and he knows I was joking.

Well, if you want to make a personal comment to someone make it through PMs. These are PUBLIC forums, that means everybody can read them and mods WILL comment on any post that seems to be inappropriate, as yours was.

You're lucky you didn't get an official warning for that post...

Brad97GS

10-03-2004, 03:25 PM

Originally posted by Gimli
Well, if you want to make a personal comment to someone make it through PMs. These are PUBLIC forums, that means everybody can read them and mods WILL comment on any post that seems to be inappropriate, as yours was.

You're lucky you didn't get an official warning for that post...

Exactly!

99GrandAMSE

10-03-2004, 03:30 PM

Originally posted by Chain
... The only thing we might do next year (I am sure we will do it again because it’s really cool idea). Not allow submissions if they do not meet the criteria. Meaning Size of pixels ...

I agree ... I was hoping to receive picture that we all of sufficient size but unfortunately, that did not happen ... live and learn ... like I have said several time, this is indeed a learning curve for us when it comes to how to 'best' handle the process to make our Calendar ... I just hope everyone doesn't get too upset before we get all the bugs out :)

99GrandAMSE

10-03-2004, 03:33 PM

Originally posted by VanishingImage
... I do think next year or the next time one is put out,let the Administrators hand pic,since this was based off the GA of the Week,and those being picked by Kelly or Shawn,the same should go for the Calender ...

... that is really what we were trying to do away with as to me, "since the membership are going to purchase these, they should obviously have a great amount of input as to who is included" and with a little direction from the administration/organizers, I was hoping this would go off without a hitch ... unfortunately, this is not the case so I will have to work on changes for next year :(

99GrandAMSE

10-03-2004, 03:39 PM

Please, people ... lets not argue over this ... there was obviously a slight misunderstanding and with the delicate nature of this particular issue right now, tempers are easily flared :( ... now, get back to complaining about the calendar and not at one another :wink4: :lol:

BleakGT

10-03-2004, 03:43 PM

Geez! I can say for one that I am not "bitter" or whatever. If you (whoever said they should have a few posts up?) want to give me a warning, fine.

This is getting all bent out of shape because I made a comment to someone, and it seems everyone else EXCEPT the person I made that comment to is getting mad!!

Let it go already.

MagusXIII

10-03-2004, 03:45 PM

Originally posted by BleakGT
Let it go already.
I FULLY agree

Trevlya006

10-03-2004, 04:08 PM

the reason why i said 29 could have been 100 times better is because it looks as if he/she took no planning in the picture. its like an "oh this is ok" rand out and took the pic then went and got back in their car before they got hit or something to that idea. but it could have been better for a few reasons
1 angle, i think more of a direct shot to slightly down would have worked, not the angle from where the person is standing because you can tell the shot was setup
2 effect, the building is HUGE compared to his grand am.. i think that if he would have gotten closer that the idea would have been the same

but thats my idea and it still would have looked amature.
sorry for being upset that people like the shots that i personally dont think look good at all.
but thats just me..

and i am in a bad mood because i blew my amp in my car and have no money to fix it.

-trev in a yard work mood

Chain

10-03-2004, 04:15 PM

Originally posted by 99grandamse
Please, people ... lets not argue over this ... there was obviously a slight misunderstanding and with the delicate nature of this particular issue right now, tempers are easily flared :( ... now, get back to complaining about the calendar and not at one another :wink4: :lol:

ROTFLMAO at 99grandamse.:lol:

Trevlya006

10-03-2004, 04:45 PM

^werd

cindylacey

10-03-2004, 04:52 PM

basically i think some of us who thought they took a good picture are not getting chosen but some of the pictures are not as good as some of the others and they are getting more votes i guess i really dont understand why? and it really doesnt matter . maybe they could leave one month for people who buy the calender to have their picture in the calender just a idea i dont know but argueing over it doesnt help whats done is done

sunrunner_pei

10-03-2004, 05:23 PM

If all the pics were the same it would be a pretty boring calendar indeed. A little creativity goes a long way, and the results of the polls show that.

I still can't believe the immaturity displayed by several members in this thread. Believe me, we weren't expecting a response quite like this. :sad2:

EKling

10-03-2004, 10:29 PM

I like 43 and that IMO should be on the cover.

gbe357

10-03-2004, 11:16 PM

Originally posted by 99grandamse
Remember, the GAOC has always been a place where EVERY Grand Am have been welcome regardless of trim level or year so please take this into account when voting.

maybe an idea for next year would be to have categories...like this:

12 cars total including

1 - pre 1991
2 - 1992-1995
4 - 1996-1998
5 - 1999-2005

people then vote on their favorites in the four categories....to keep it more "fair" (as some people put it). This way...the majority still gets more representation, but the minority still gets at least some.

each of those categories had multiple entires, so there is still something to vote on for each.

vdgmcool

10-03-2004, 11:38 PM

Personally I can't wait to see who gets the 12 spots and for the people that are complaning grow up and show some maturity.

Brad97GS

10-04-2004, 12:10 AM

Theoretically, that could still be done this year. The top 5 '99+ GAs would go in the calendar, top 4 '96-'99, top 2 '92-'95, and top '85-'91 from the current votes could get included in the calendar. :hmmm:

Lost My Keys

10-04-2004, 12:34 AM

and a collage of all the grand am's that dont make it...

Like Put the top 10 on the calendar...
1 for the admins
and 1 for everyone else you doesnt make it...

Just think about sales. If someone's car doesnt make it in more likely than not they wont buy the calendar.

But if you make a collage. Than thats 62 sales guarenteed

TheNewLMHDesign

10-04-2004, 01:04 AM

Yeah, a collage would be pretty sweet.

OhioGrandAm

10-04-2004, 07:37 AM

Originally posted by TheNewLMHDesign
Yeah, a collage would be pretty sweet.

Maybe of all the people that did not make the calendar

OhioGrandAm

10-04-2004, 07:40 AM

I know that my car will probably not be voted in the calendar (even though it is a nice winter picture) but I will still buy a calendar.

As of right now I do not agree with the votes (because I think some people are going for a popular car).

Not ranting or anything like that.... It will still be a nice calendar.

Jibo

10-04-2004, 08:11 AM

I am disapointed with the attitude of many of you. I know personally when I was voting, I was looking at background first, and car second, and then taking into account the overall effect of the picture, hell I was thinking about what pictures I woudl like to stare at for a whole month. Not which member I could kiss up to. I guess I am dissapointed that I too did not submitt a picture of my ga, then I coudl join in the *****ing too :shake: Seriously, grow up. Remember, this is a new thing, that we have not done before, and there are bound to be peopel that disagree with the way it's being done, But maybe things will change for next year. Peronsally I believe Kelly and Shawn have set this up perfectly, and that it is fine just the way it is, they don't need the added stress of people freaking out because they are upset they didn't get in a calendar, I mean really, think about it "oh no I didn't make it into an online car club calendar, I think it's the end of the world, I might as well shoot myself"
Pretty silly right?

Let's get back to voting for the pictures that look the best, and let's hope the calendar turns out great for everyone, I think it's a great idea, and I think it's going to look great!

[/rant] :D

eric99gt

10-04-2004, 08:14 AM

Originally posted by Trevlya006
i have 3 suggestions for people when taking pics
1 dont be affraid, its a car, its not going to hurt to get close
Ex: pic 29, 4, 13, 22,
2 most calanders of cars show the whole car not bi sections or just a top half..
Ex: pic 27, 33, 37, 42
3 take into effect that pics are not based on the car but the whole pic like everyone has said. and the SC/T or BK cars dont need to win and frankly i dont even want to see pic 29 in there because it could have been 100 times better..

i am not saying that my pics are any better, but i still think that a majority of you could have done a better job

-trev in a bad mood

Well i'm number 22 and i agree but I'm no photo expert, so I just gave it my best shot. I think it came out ok. And if I were to get closer how do I get any background in to the scene. I thought it was partly based on that.

crazeyGT

10-04-2004, 08:35 AM

^wow he is alive :lol:

thats the thing this is done for fun right? no one here is a photo expert (i think) so why argue, its not worth it IMO

Trevlya006

10-04-2004, 08:39 AM

ok well dont think that i dont like the pic, or that its bad, because it has way more votes than mine does.. (which i dont care about because i am not going to get yelled at) but, the reason why i said that you could have gotten closer is because you cant see your car on the background very well, if it were a white car it would have been a good shot because its a dark area and the shading really helps to dynamically bring out the car. but since its a black car, its kind of like you are trying to hide it from view. there is no reason to leave that much room IMO but dont yell at me. like i said you have plenty more votes that my pic (50) does. so obviously you took the better shot than i did. i guess i was wrong.

Brad97GS

10-04-2004, 11:26 AM

Actually IMO the black car fits well with the dark background - giving a sort of "mystery" look. I also think that the bright lighting on the building and around the car contrast well with the dark surroundings. I think a white car would have taken away the mystery appearance.

There are many ways to take a good picture. We have at least two incredible photographers on this site - MagusXIII and Mike Reyna (neither of whom own Grand Ams, so they aren't competing). It may be fun for someone interested to search for posts of theirs that talk about photography. I have gotten some very good advice from them. :)

eric99gt

10-04-2004, 11:55 AM

Originally posted by Trevlya006
ok well dont think that i dont like the pic, or that its bad, because it has way more votes than mine does.. (which i dont care about because i am not going to get yelled at) but, the reason why i said that you could have gotten closer is because you cant see your car on the background very well, if it were a white car it would have been a good shot because its a dark area and the shading really helps to dynamically bring out the car. but since its a black car, its kind of like you are trying to hide it from view. there is no reason to leave that much room IMO but dont yell at me. like i said you have plenty more votes that my pic (50) does. so obviously you took the better shot than i did. i guess i was wrong.

no yelling from me....i'll take any criticism. I rarely ever take pictures so I'm willing to learn.

Brad97GS

10-04-2004, 01:02 PM

Ooops, my mistake. My last post was about pic #29, and I see eric99gt owns #22. Sorry for any confusion! :P

saltystix

10-04-2004, 01:25 PM

Can we still send pics in? I just got a camera and have a few pics.

Lost My Keys

10-04-2004, 03:15 PM

Originally posted by saltystix
Can we still send pics in? I just got a camera and have a few pics.

Deadline is over :( Besides it's too late now, because most of the people already voted.

I was only like 6 hours past deadline, and I only have 2 votes. Everyone already voted :(

COLLAGE!!! :)

Artic

10-04-2004, 03:15 PM

they allowed afew due to the calender being closed early but I doubt there can be anymore added.

Jibo

10-04-2004, 04:13 PM

:shake: :roflmfao: Sorry, jsut finding some things funny, great pic's by everytone that entered though! :thumbup:

EKling

10-04-2004, 06:13 PM

Why not like a little booklet with full pages of people who have submitted their picture. Or I have another idea. Offer 2 different calenders and let people choose what calender they wanna buy.

vdgmcool

10-04-2004, 11:56 PM

Originally posted by EKling
Why not like a little booklet with full pages of people who have submitted their picture. Or I have another idea. Offer 2 different calenders and let people choose what calender they wanna buy.

Good Idea! That way there could be the top 24 instead of 12

Jibo

10-05-2004, 01:26 AM

WHy stop at 24? why not just have the top 62 to make everyone happy? honestly guys, Lets think about this, this is turning from a nice idea brought to you by the administration of the board and turning into a joke, I know we will be taking ideas from thsi years and putting it towards next years, but really isn't the point of this just for some fun? let's not think of it as winners and losers, but think of what it should be ....fun!, I know it sucks if your car doesnt make the cut, but why instead of trying to find a way to get everyone in their, not take it as a challenge for next year? That is my challenge for everyone that doesn't make it in this year, try out some different things for next years submission!, now let's get back to picking pictures for the calendar :thumbup:

Grandam02chick

10-05-2004, 09:50 AM

Originally posted by Jibo
WHy stop at 24? why not just have the top 62 to make everyone happy? honestly guys, Lets think about this, this is turning from a nice idea brought to you by the administration of the board and turning into a joke, I know we will be taking ideas from thsi years and putting it towards next years, but really isn't the point of this just for some fun? let's not think of it as winners and losers, but think of what it should be ....fun!, I know it sucks if your car doesnt make the cut, but why instead of trying to find a way to get everyone in their, not take it as a challenge for next year? That is my challenge for everyone that doesn't make it in this year, try out some different things for next years submission!, now let's get back to picking pictures for the calendar :thumbup:
I agree with jibo.nicely added :D

jayhawk

10-05-2004, 10:29 AM

Not everyone can be winners. Thats life. I do not see how anyone could be upset at the voting, every picture at least got 2 votes, so that means SOMEONE likes your car.

BUT AT FIRST IF YOU DONT EXCEED, TRY TRY AGAIN!

Grandam02chick

10-05-2004, 10:35 AM

I also have to agree with jayhawk,I really don't care if my car doesn't make it in the calander there's always next time.so i aint sweatin it.nobodyelse should either.:D

saltystix

10-05-2004, 10:54 AM

Yeah, I honestly didnt care if I won or not, I just wanted to see if I could still get in.

I see how people would think, if you let more cars in, more sales would come about. This is very true. People who make it in there, even if they arent focused as a month will still buy the calendar. They were just tryin to state that the more cars, the more sales. And I dont think any normal person would think it was tacky to have an extra part on the calendar for other grand am's. It is a calendar to support a group. Most likly the only people buying this calendar will be grand am owners.

On the other hand, I can see why there would only be 12 cars. Of course, one for each month, and to promote competition to a certain extent. People probably aren't going to care who wins, but like stated... thats what next year is for.

How about next year we have month oriented pictures. Like December would have a christmas theme with it and january could have a little champaign bottle sittin on the cars hood. Something stupid like that for every month. And in the back, include other featured cars for a fee of $5 to enter your car.

-Just something from the kid.

Grandam02chick

10-05-2004, 10:58 AM

that's a good idea kyle,about the xmas look and champaign bottles,I know I'll be buying a calander weather or not my car is in there or not.

LoneRangers15

10-05-2004, 11:39 AM

#59 is probably the best overall picture IMHO, since the background is really nice.

HighwayProwlerz

10-05-2004, 05:00 PM

#56 is nice too....

:)

Artic

10-05-2004, 05:16 PM

ahhh its all about #6 :)

GtOfDeath

10-05-2004, 06:36 PM

Originally posted by Artic
ahhh its all about #6 :) No its not Its all about #28 :lol::D

Chain

10-05-2004, 06:57 PM

I would have voted for 59 but it was not up when voting first started. But I have to admint 28 got my vote. Something about white and crome just catches my eye. Plus not to mention its a nice shot. I am guessing 28 is yours GTOfDeath?
Its funny I see all these cars posted all the time and I still don't know who owns what.

GtOfDeath

10-05-2004, 07:21 PM

Yes #28 is my ride.

HighwayProwlerz

10-05-2004, 07:35 PM

I voted for #6... nice pic. A little crooked though. :)

But that's okay if you are too.

saltystix

10-05-2004, 08:05 PM

Yeah, I dont really know whose car is whose. So its more honest when I voted. I loved the one infront of the building with lights. That was my first vote.

OhioGrandAm

10-05-2004, 08:26 PM

I like picture #19... the black and white picture with the red car. Not sure how it was done but it is really a nice photo.

OhioGrandAm

10-05-2004, 08:28 PM

I do not see how car #49 is getting a lot of votes... I guess people like a modified car... to me it is not a good photograph...

OhioGrandAm

10-05-2004, 08:30 PM

I still think my car (#39) would make a good December or January photo.. I do not see any other people who took a photo in the wintertime...

urweak

10-05-2004, 08:55 PM

can i add my car?

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/10/web/394000-394999/394000_28_full.jpg

I can get better pictures by using a tripod this time. lol

HighwayProwlerz

10-06-2004, 09:00 AM

I didn't vote for 49 because it was in the GAGT.com calendar last year. But it looks like it's going to get in anyway.

crazeyGT

10-06-2004, 11:13 AM

Originally posted by HighwayProwlerz
I voted for #6... nice pic. A little crooked though. :)

But that's okay if you are too.

hahahah, not 100% sure but i think i took that one and its the ground not me..:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

crazeyGT

10-06-2004, 11:20 AM

to be honest, for those that think its not fair and stuff... when u took ur picture that u submited, did u take you time to take it? did u try 20 diff angles and chose the best one? I mean i was dirty when i got done with mine, I was laying on the ground in all angles from the car trying to find the best one, i have some 20 pic that i had to choose from to find the one that looked the best.. people were looking at me funny and stuff.. but i know i tried the best .. so unless u were really trying to get the best shot and submit that one, why complain?

Peyman

10-06-2004, 12:15 PM

wow im suprised i got in the top twelve...since i submitted my pic late... hehehehe :) THANKS GUYS!

vandervort23

10-06-2004, 12:22 PM

Something to consider for next year... I bought a calendar that had owner's auto's in it and on each month it had one car at the top and in all the blank space were there wasn't dates the stuck in other auto's to take up all the blank space. Just something to consider=)

HighwayProwlerz

10-06-2004, 03:25 PM

That's a cool idea.

HighwayProwlerz

10-06-2004, 03:27 PM

Originally posted by crazeyGT
to be honest, for those that think its not fair and stuff... when u took ur picture that u submited, did u take you time to take it? did u try 20 diff angles and chose the best one? I mean i was dirty when i got done with mine, I was laying on the ground in all angles from the car trying to find the best one, i have some 20 pic that i had to choose from to find the one that looked the best.. people were looking at me funny and stuff.. but i know i tried the best .. so unless u were really trying to get the best shot and submit that one, why complain?

I did. I took a gazillion and a half pictures at all different angles. I had a hard time deciding which would be good for a calendar.

crazeyGT

10-06-2004, 05:36 PM

yes, but ur also not complaining about other pics cuz u do know how hard it is to get this one good one :D

OhioGrandAm

10-06-2004, 05:52 PM

Originally posted by crazeyGT
to be honest, for those that think its not fair and stuff... when u took ur picture that u submited, did u take you time to take it? did u try 20 diff angles and chose the best one? I mean i was dirty when i got done with mine, I was laying on the ground in all angles from the car trying to find the best one, i have some 20 pic that i had to choose from to find the one that looked the best.. people were looking at me funny and stuff.. but i know i tried the best .. so unless u were really trying to get the best shot and submit that one, why complain?

I did too.. I remember taking those winter time pictures, and it was cold out there.. I had about three or four shots but I choose that one because it showed more of the scenery and the car is nicely placed in the lower left...

Trevlya006

10-06-2004, 11:53 PM

now what i want to know, is next year are the winners from this year allowed in?

who knows.. went from 15 to 19 in 4 days! WOOHOO!!! :-\

Brad97GS

10-07-2004, 12:08 AM

I'm not involved in the calendar, but I think the winners should be allowed in next year's calendar. However, I believe it should be a new picture. It would be kind of boring to have the same picture in a calendar two years in a row.

Pte Socks

10-07-2004, 02:24 AM

I just want to thank all that voted my car. 10 is quite impressive to me considering there are so many people here now with underbodies, especially blue ones ( side note, I was the first in my area to put them on and I now have confired counts of at LEAST 4 other GA's with blue underbodies ). I also wanted to thank for allowing me in with my late entry. As to all these ideas, common guys, just accept what you get and be happy with it. Hey, theres always GAOTW you can submit pictures for and having your car up on there is also a great honor you should shoot for.

99GrandAMSE

10-08-2004, 11:04 AM

Two threads merged!!

Peyman

10-08-2004, 12:01 PM

When is voting done?....

99GrandAMSE

10-08-2004, 12:13 PM

Originally posted by Peyman
When is voting done?....

October 15th (or there abouts :)) ... depends on my workload but that is what I am aiming for :)

Trevlya006

10-08-2004, 12:47 PM

lol what if 2 cars are tied?

and sam loses :'(

/cry

-trev

92CamaroRS

10-08-2004, 12:55 PM

Originally posted by Trevlya006
lol what if 2 cars are tied?

and sam loses :'(

/cry

-trev

i believe that kelly has stated before that if that happens then at that time him and Shawn will decide how to handle it. but i do remember him saying that it wont be a public board decision.

regan00

10-08-2004, 01:49 PM

...like most others i looked for background, b/c i really don't know any of you.:idunno: ...#29 IMHO is the best 'picture'. #43 is nice but its 'made up' so it gets no vote from me....but thats just me, i like the real-thing look. this calender should be really cool by the looks of the pics we got to choose from, be it a pop. contest or not:omg:

mthegodfather

10-08-2004, 02:24 PM

I voted for the coolest lookin car.

Krusing

10-09-2004, 08:07 PM

I think that it would be good to have every generation of GA represented in the calender, of course maybe i'm a lil biased b/c i own an 89 ga.(#34)

crazeyGT

10-09-2004, 08:18 PM

Originally posted by mthegodfather
I voted for the coolest lookin car.
so u just voted for one car? :roll2:

RomeoGAOC

10-09-2004, 08:24 PM

Originally posted by Krusing
I think that it would be good to have every generation of GA represented in the calender, of course maybe i'm a lil biased b/c i own an 89 ga.(#34)

I def. voted for our generation GA. I really wish I sent in mine.

tokgrandamgt

10-12-2004, 09:02 PM

I def barely looked at the car but looked at the setting of the car...they are all grand am's so im sayin...but i did take 3 cars into consideration for the look, the black w/ grey stripes, the 96 red AED one and the RSM blue one....they belong in it

HighwayProwlerz

10-12-2004, 10:35 PM

Well I made a calendar of my own on CafePress.com with all the hi-res pics I took.

http://www.cafepress.com/porschechic.13945451

TA^Guy

10-12-2004, 11:13 PM

Originally posted by HighwayProwlerz
Well I made a calendar of my own on CafePress.com with all the hi-res pics I took.

http://www.cafepress.com/porschechic.13945451 Did you just make that calender?
In a few days you should expect to see a email from Cafepress saying that you violated trademark images of your own car becuase you are selling images of a Pontiac and GM owns rights to it and not you.

I ran into the same problem when I tired to make a calender for my club members and they wanted some legal release from GM saying it was ok to use those images.

The GAOC has aquired this, that is why it's ok for Kelly and Shawn to use things like the arrowhead logo and such.

HighwayProwlerz

10-13-2004, 06:29 PM

Yeah I just made it... but that is totally ghey that I can't use pictures of my own car. I wonder how one would obtain such a release. Well if I can't do it that way then I guess I'll have to find another way huh?

Brad97GS

10-13-2004, 06:55 PM

If you have Microsoft Publisher or similar, you can make your own calendar and then take it somewhere to be printed. I made my girlfriend a calendar for 2003 using Publisher, and it turned out well.

Maybe I shouldn't be saying this....because I hope everyone buys the GAOC calendar! :)

sunrunner_pei

10-13-2004, 07:10 PM

Originally posted by HighwayProwlerz
Yeah I just made it... but that is totally ghey that I can't use pictures of my own car. I wonder how one would obtain such a release. Well if I can't do it that way then I guess I'll have to find another way huh?

There is a subtle 'gotcha' here, and that's that with CafePress, the items you design are considered to be sold to the public, even if you only want to make one for yourself. The Pontiac Arrowhead and fonts are GM's trademarks. You can not sell any item bearing those trademarks without permission. Contact GM's marketing department to obtain permission.

Check with CafePress's terms of use, it's all there in black and white. http://www.cafepress.com/cp/info/help/law.aspx

Examples of Prohibited Content

Because of intellectual property laws, CafePress.com has certain rules regarding the types of merchandise that you can make and sell through its service. For example:

NO UNOFFICIAL MERCHANDISE
NO use of names, logos, pictures or other intellectual property of musical groups or musical artists. For example, you cannot make Britney Spears merchandise simply because you run a fan-based Britney Spears website or just because you downloaded her image from an internet website. You also cannot modify the name or other intellectual property of a musical group and avoid infringement, (e.g., using Metalika instead of Metallica).
NO use of names, logos, pictures, or other intellectual property of sports teams, colleges/universities, clubs, or organizations such as the Los Angeles Lakers, Harvard University, or The Boy Scouts. Again, modifications do not avoid infringement.
NO photos, logos, caricatures, or other artwork depicting celebrities, such as Michael Jackson or Madonna, or other third parties. Just because you take a photograph of a celebrity does not give you the right to use that photograph on merchandise, even if you digitally manipulate the photograph.
NO use of trademarks, names, or logos of companies. For example, you cannot use the name of a company such as Nike®, a company logo such as the Nike "swoosh" trademark, or brand name such as Coca Cola®, or a modified version of a trademark, (e.g., "Just Did It").
NO pictures or photographs of products (such as automobiles or toys). Even if you own a product, trademark laws still prohibit you from selling merchandise that features pictures of it. For example, you cannot take a picture of your car and then sell t-shirts or mugs with that picture.

I took the photo, so I can use it however I want.
FALSE. Simply taking a photo of a person, company, band, logo or the like does not afford you the right to sell merchandise featuring that photograph. There are two distinct intellectual property rights in a photograph: (1) the rights in the photograph itself and (2) the rights in the subject of the picture, such as the product or person shown in it. For example, if you take a photo of a car or celebrity, you only own the rights to the photo, but not the right to use the photo of the car or celebrity for merchandise sale. In order to sell merchandise with the image, you will need to obtain explicit permission from the car company or celebrity.