back speaker is blown

[01dickieGT]

well this the 2nd or 3rd time 1 of my back stock speakers has blown. now that i can't get them replaced for free under warranty i guess its time to get some good aftermarket 6x9s that can handle more power. any suggestions on some good ones. of course i'd love to have the top of the line ones but i know i can't afford them. so what are some good ones but not for as much money? i would give u a money limit but i dont even know what a good price for 6x9s is b/c i have never looked into buying them.

[birdhouse]

Well... Here's what's gonna piss you off. When moving into even a really good set of 6x9's, you're going to loose the bass response you had with your stockers. I know this doesn't make sense, but because the new speakers are better and handle more power, the limited amount being pushed by the stock headunit is kind of "underpowering" your new speakers and not making them sound like what they do/could.

If you're really going to be going after some new 6x9's, I would wait until you can get an amp to power them, too. You will love yourself 1000000000x more if you have them amped.

Pricewise, you'll be looking at spending anywhere from $90-200 for mid to semi-high ranged 6x9's and then anywhere from $120-300 for a nice 2 or 4 channel amp. I would suggest going with a 4 channel amp because you're eventually going to want to upgrade your front speakers, too.

I hope this helped out somewhat!

Corey

[RocketFast321]

try going to another gm dealer

[RippedMantis]

I wish i woulda read something like this post before i went out and bought 6x9's and then wondered why they sounded like junk!

[JoeyK]

01dickieGT; do you have the Monsoon? I see you have an Alpine deck listed but you're useing the stock speakers?

[01dickieGT]

JoeyK: yes i have an alpine deck but have been using the stock speakers. i use to have subs and would just keep the bass down on the 6x9s and the treble up. but i haven't had subs for awhile so i would sometimes turn the bass up more on the 6x9s which was definitely a mistake.

birdhouse: i do have my amp still from when i had my subs. it sux but it's a sony class D amp 1000 watts. no idea how many channels though. so would this amp work for the 6x9s? and i do have an alpine deck like i just said i won't lose any bass response. any suggestions on brands for these 6x9s priced from $90-200 as well as with the 4 channel amp?

[birdhouse]

Do NOT amp whatever you get with that D class amp. D class mono amps are made for subs and that's it (I know people are going to argue me on this, but that's how I feel... That's just too much juice to push to speakers).

Some good 6x9's for $200 would be the Alpine Type-R's. I only hear good things about them, and when they're amped, I guess they sound like "mini" subs. A good 4-channel amp would be pretty much anything you can find, man. Alpine makes a good 4-channel amp that's digital, but I hear it's a pain in the ass to setup. I'm running MTX's old Blue Thunder series amp to push my entire inside, 6.5's and 6x9's, and I love it. But, they don't make them anymore, so, I'm not really sure man. Just look around and see what sounds good and what YOU'D like in your car.

[01dickieGT]

ok thanks for the advice. so my stock monsoon amp won't be able to amp my aftermarket 6x9s once i purchase them? if this is the case then i guess i have to get rid of the monsoon amp. if i do this, will it affect any of my other stock speakers?

say i end up purchasing another amp along with my new 6x9s. i plan on getting another pair of 12s eventually once i get more paychecks. so i will able to hook up my new amp with new speakers along with my mono amp for the subs and everything will work out fine? i just want to make sure there's no tricks or catches to all this before i buy everything and since i don't know much about installation of these things and will either have my good friend install it or someone officially certified to do so.

one last question, is there an amp i can buy that will power my subs (for example i'm thinking bout type R or S alpines) and my 6x9s (once again lets say i get the type R 6x9s) or is it better (and cheaper) to have 2 separate amps?

[SilverGA2001]

I'm having the same problem basically. I've blown a rear factory (third time, first time out of warranty). I don't even listen to anything at more then half volume. I think my suspension has caused enough vibrations to do the damage. Anyway, I just called two of the (considered) best stereo shops around me. One said I probably have a 2ohm amp and it wouldn't really affect things too much, but said to get a 2 way 6x9 to replace my factory. They said 4 ohms wouldn't matter except a bit of bass response. The other shop told me flat out they do not deal with going from 2ohm stereos to 4 ohms, but they could not confirm mine being a 2ohm setup. The guy I spoke to said it *could* work for a day or so, but could also end up blowing up my entire system. He recommended either all new stuff or getting another factory speaker. So now I have two very different opinions and am more confused then ever. Can anyone verify what the Monsoon actually is in a 01 GT? I just want speakers... :(

*Edit* See this thread.

http://www.gaownersclub.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=33233

[JoeyK]

Guys, if you've got the Monsoon system I highly doubt you've blown those 6x9's. those woofers are tough & will take alot more than the Monsoon amp dishes out. Are they rattling profusely? I assume so. Problem is w/ those Monsoon 6x9's is the tweeter post snaps & dances around on the woofer.
Also, the Monsoon system is set up for 2 ohm woofers, whatever stereo shop suggested that it is a 2 ohm amp scares me. There's no such thing, the speakers determine what ohm load gets drawn out of the amp, the amp does not determine that.
The Monsoon system is set up as follows; there's 8 seperate amplified lines 4 for the tweeters coming from the head unit itself & 4 for the woofers coming from the trunk amp. The speakers are of various ohm ratings; the rear woofers are 2 ohm/ rear tweeters are 4 ohm. The front woofers are 2 ohm/ & the front tweeters are 6 ohm.
Hope that helps. You can cut the stock tweeter loose from the 6x9's & wire in an aftermarket set. I have done so & put them right beside the woofer under the tear drop shaped part of the speaker grill. I run my RF tweets up front also note the stock tweets are 6 ohm up front, by wiring up 4 ohm tweeters instead you get alot more power for the highs & they are alot crisper. It poses no problem for the amp.
Just keep in mind that any time you try & run a 4 ohm woofer on the Monsoon system you are cutting the power in half & you'll loose alot of bass response. In other words it'll work but sounds like crap

[JoeyK]

Silverga2001, does it say Monsoon on your head unit? I Havn't seen a '01+ GT yet w/out the Monsoon.

[SilverGA2001]

Originally posted by JoeyK
Silverga2001, does it say Monsoon on your head unit? I Havn't seen a '01+ GT yet w/out the Monsoon.

Yeah, mine's a Monsoon. I have the bad speaker sitting on my counter, went ahead and took it out. It's vibrating badly, but nothing is loose on it. It's the only original 6x9 left, the other was replaced twice by the dealer, both times a tech confirmed they were blown. I'm getting the same sounds and problems out of this one now. I just want to go ahead and replace them with aftermarkets, but I only want to replace them, no other changes. I have a pair of Pioneers I like, the ARG6960R's I think, and if I can install them and still have at least the stock sound, I will. But at this point I have no idea what to think after talking to those shops. One said 2 way 6x9's and the other said none at all. I just want the straight answer I guess.

[JoeyK]

Wow, I wonder if there's something wrong with the amp. Seems as though it may be sending voltage spikes or something. It's very, very odd to blow one, let alone 3 of those 6x9's unless you run them wide open w/ extreme distortion.

But as far as replacing them with aftermarkets it's not that simple. You'll have to replce the amp too. Hook up one aftermarket for a min to the woofer wires & then leave a stock 6x9 on the other side. You won't be able to hear the aftermarket becuase @ 4 ohm (All aftermarkets are 4 ohm) it'll only get half the power that the Monsoon 6x9 is getting (Which is 2 ohm). That's why I say aftermarkets sound like crap on the Monsoon system.:(

Also, there's a set of wires for the tweeter & a set for the woofer on the 6x9's which makes it even more difficult.

You could try a pair of dvc 8" or 6" if you can find any. You can wire the dual voice coils together to pull 2 ohm. Then wire a set of reg aftermarket tweets since they are 4 ohm. I am not sure how it'll sound w/ 8" woofers though & I'm not sure how you'd make them fit.

[SilverGA2001]

Originally posted by JoeyK
Wow, I wonder if there's something wrong with the amp. Seems as though it may be sending voltage spikes or something. It's very, very odd to blow one, let alone 3 of those 6x9's unless you run them wide open w/ extreme distortion.

But as far as replacing them with aftermarkets it's not that simple. You'll have to replce the amp too. Hook up one aftermarket for a min to the woofer wires & then leave a stock 6x9 on the other side. You won't be able to hear the aftermarket becuase @ 4 ohm (All aftermarkets are 4 ohm) it'll only get half the power that the Monsoon 6x9 is getting (Which is 2 ohm). That's why I say aftermarkets sound like crap on the Monsoon system.:(

Also, there's a set of wires for the tweeter & a set for the woofer on the 6x9's which makes it even more difficult.

You could try a pair of dvc 8" or 6" if you can find any. You can wire the dual voice coils together to pull 2 ohm. Then wire a set of reg aftermarket tweets since they are 4 ohm. I am not sure how it'll sound w/ 8" woofers though & I'm not sure how you'd make them fit.

The dealer actually did check out my wiring the second time, at my request. They didn't see anything wrong they said, but this is also the place that says their incapable of aligning my car because it has Eibachs... :roll2:

Anyway, thanks for the answer. I guess I might have to replace that speaker then. Really wanted some slightly nicer ones too. :(

[01dickieGT]

well i went to a custom audio shop a couple days ago and the let me in on a secret that they r having a big anniversary sale the beginning of next month so i'm deciding on what i'm going to buy. 1st of all of course i'm getting new 6x9s, i think i'm gonna go with the alpine type S b/c the guy said i dont need as much power in the 6x9s as i do in the front components. but here's my big decision, to buy the front components with a new amp or to buy some new subs (a pair of 12s probably alpine type Rs or some rockford fosgates). now i'm gonna hook my system up as follows. my alpine deck will power my 6x9s and the sub amp if i get the subs. then if i get the front components (type Rs), i'm goin to get a 2 channel alpine amp (since my deck will power my 6x9s i dont need a 4 channel amp).
So i guess what i'm asking is, if i decide to not change out the front components just yet and just 6x9s and subs, will the sound be way off b/c i still have the stock monsoon amp powering the front components? if the sale price is absolutely great then i might be able to go ahead and buy everything (which would be nice) but if i can't, will the sound be that much of a difference?