Supercharger or Blower

[grandam01]

Ok so i have seen people refer to a Supercharger as a Blower and a Blower as a Supercharger. there are differences i don't care what anyone says they are NOT the same.

A blower is a whole manifold, holley makes then for old muscle cars, it is an intake manifold with one, two, sometmies three opening on top for a carburetor(s). it takes the drive belt up around a pulley on the Blower and rotates two blades inside and sucks air through the caruretors into the manifold and down into engine, via the intake ports on the heads.

A Supercharger, is pre intake manifold, it too is belt driven but the Supercharger is not a whole intake setup, the belt drives a turbine inside the housing and sucks the air in and forces it into the intake manifold.

So there are differences, to me it's night and day, also blowers are mostly used on old muscle cars, show cars more explicitly, now a days like the ones we get for our Grand Ams are "Centrifugal Superchargers" which take the inertia, intial movement, or wound up, or potential energy created by the drive belt.

Yes Blowers started off as Superchargers but over the years they have gained their nicknames and that is what they are. They at one point were the same but to call a Vortech Supercharger a Blower is calling it by the wrong name.

I may have just contradicted myself in there but anyhow im opinting out the differences between what we have now as Superchargers and what a Blower is.

[92CamaroRS]

Blowers(Roots Style Supercharers) are a sub groupe of Superchargers.

Both are superchargers, one is a Roots Style, the other is a vortech style.

[Matt95GT]

Your definitions are not completely right. The GM supercharger for the 2.4L is roots type, integrated into the intake manifold (it replaces the intake manifold), but has no carb openings, and obviously isn't for muscle cars.

[TA^Guy]

'Blower' = Supercharger
Roots, centrifugal, bolted to the engine, bolted to a accessory bracket, duct taped to your bumper.

"Blower" is street jive, casual lingo, enthusiast slang, a nickname, it's not designated to any specific type or style of supercharger.

BEEP - Nextel - Done.

[TA^Guy]

Just for the heck of it...


blow·er
n 1: a device that produces a current of air 2: a fan run by an electric motor [syn: electric fan] 3: a mechanical device that blows air onto a fire to make it burn more fiercely [syn: bellows] 4: large aquatic carnivorous mammal with fin-like forelimbs no hind limbs, including: whales; dolphins; porpoises; narwhals [syn: cetacean, cetacean mammal]

[azeniskid]

Originally posted by grandam01
Ok so i have seen people refer to a Supercharger as a Blower and a Blower as a Supercharger. there are differences i don't care what anyone says they are NOT the same.

A blower is a whole manifold, holley makes then for old muscle cars, it is an intake manifold with one, two, sometmies three opening on top for a carburetor(s). it takes the drive belt up around a pulley on the Blower and rotates two blades inside and sucks air through the caruretors into the manifold and down into engine, via the intake ports on the heads.

A Supercharger, is pre intake manifold, it too is belt driven but the Supercharger is not a whole intake setup, the belt drives a turbine inside the housing and sucks the air in and forces it into the intake manifold.

So there are differences, to me it's night and day, also blowers are mostly used on old muscle cars, show cars more explicitly, now a days like the ones we get for our Grand Ams are "Centrifugal Superchargers" which take the inertia, intial movement, or wound up, or potential energy created by the drive belt.

Yes Blowers started off as Superchargers but over the years they have gained their nicknames and that is what they are. They at one point were the same but to call a Vortech Supercharger a Blower is calling it by the wrong name.

I may have just contradicted myself in there but anyhow im opinting out the differences between what we have now as Superchargers and what a Blower is.

you're weird.....


blower is street lingo for supercharger last i recall. as when you're talking on the "street", people are less prone to explaining with large words and want to just get to running "racing" their cars....

again you're weird.

[VanishingImage]

muscle car owners call it a blower, imports,new age domestics call it supercharger.Go to a local race track that has drags,the guys/gals driving classic muscle cars call them blowers,the young teens/adults call it supercharger that drive the imports or domestics. They both do the same job,boost and power.

[matts]

i call it both. just depends on my mood i guess.

[schweppe23]

i got a blower and a supercharger. but i usually leave the blower in the bedroom to go play with the supercharger in the garage. :)

[grandam01]

i do recall myself mentioning that yes it is just a nickname, but whenever i go to car shows, i.e goodguys, a centrifugal supercharger is refered to as a supercharger, procharger, a blower refers to the "roots" style where it is an integrated intake manifold.

for Matt95GT the majority of superchargers i see on GA's is the Vortech, which is centrifugal not roots style, yes ok maybe i am a little anal, i have been told i am somewhat obsessive compulsive but to me its the little things about it that count.

To me its just the difference between two styles of superchargers, this thread is just My Opinion about the differences. and opinions are like @ssholes, everyone has em and they all stink.

[grandam01]

actually there are three types of superchargers, btu im only talkin about two.

[TA^Guy]

Originally posted by grandam01
i do recall myself mentioning that yes it is just a nickname, but whenever i go to car shows, i.e goodguys, a centrifugal supercharger is refered to as a supercharger, procharger, a blower refers to the "roots" style where it is an integrated intake manifold.
Just to let you know not all Roots style superchargers are bolted to a intake manifold.

To me its just the difference between two styles of superchargers, this thread is just My Opinion about the differences. and opinions are like @ssholes, everyone has em and they all stink.
You didn't ssay it was your opinion in the begining, actually you were quit assertive to make it seem that it was law of the land.
Originally posted by grandam01
Ok so i have seen people refer to a Supercharger as a Blower and a Blower as a Supercharger. there are differences i don't care what anyone says they are NOT the same.
That was your first paragraph from your first post. Doesn't look as if it's an opinion now does it?
Originally posted by grandam01
I may have just contradicted myself in there but anyhow im opinting out the differences between what we have now as Superchargers and what a Blower is.
Now that's comedy. :)
Originally posted by grandam01
actually there are three types of superchargers, btu im only talkin about two.
Yes, Roots (like a Weiand), Screw Type (like a Whipple), and Centrifugal (like a Paxton). But most people generlize roots and screw type blowers in the same catagory due to not only their appearance but the simulairties of how it actually compresses air and it's actual performance mannerisums.

[grandam01]

Originally posted by TA^Guy
Yes, Roots (like a Weiand), Screw Type (like a Whipple), and Centrifugal (like a Paxton). But most people generlize roots and screw type blowers in the same catagory due to not only their appearance but the simulairties of how it actually compresses air and it's actual performance mannerisums.


Ummmm the screw type (whipple) don't actually compress the air, from what i have read on them they suck teh air and lack compression so they actually don't perform as well and heat up much quicker.

And i dunno about you but when i went to school the only time something is fact is if it comes from an unbiased viewpoint, and well we can see from my, what i look at now and even think is, somewhat ignorant statement it was not one bit unbiased. SO yeah its an opinion.

[Matt95GT]

Originally posted by grandam01
Ummmm the screw type (whipple) don't actually compress the air, from what i have read on them they suck teh air and lack compression so they actually don't perform as well and heat up much quicker.


If screw types didn't compress the air, there would be no point in installing one, unless you like the parasitic loss on the belt. Guess you haven't heard of the Kenne Bell twin-screw.

HP on a Mustang Cobra...
366 stock + 251 = 617 @ 21 psi*
366 stock + 290 = 656 @ 25 psi
366 stock + 335 = 701 @ 26 psi with throttle body, exhaust and headers


http://www.kennebell.net/superchargers/ford/cobra03/cobra03.htm

[schweppe23]

Originally posted by grandam01
Ummmm the screw type (whipple) don't actually compress the air, from what i have read on them they suck teh air and lack compression so they actually don't perform as well and heat up much quicker.


Not true......screw styles actually compress it twice (kinda). Between the male and female helix rotors there is compression taking place and dumping it into a manifold <lower compression> where it is stacked/compressed again from the intake valve back to the s/c.
And because the air is moving from a high compression site (between the rotors) to a lower compression area, less heat is made. That and the efficiency of that compressor style leads to higher efficiency and less heat. So in conclusion, under medium to high boost levels the twin screw will outperform a traditional roots style blower.

Oh btw i'm unbiased.

[iceman]

wow laugh of the day in this thread... thank you !! I haven't seen that much idiotic information in one single post in a while!! blower is synonymous for anything that creates boost... 'nuff said

[Themeneea]

Originally posted by Matt95GT
If screw types didn't compress the air, there would be no point in installing one, unless you like the parasitic loss on the belt. Guess you haven't heard of the Kenne Bell twin-screw.

HP on a Mustang Cobra...
366 stock + 251 = 617 @ 21 psi*
366 stock + 290 = 656 @ 25 psi
366 stock + 335 = 701 @ 26 psi with throttle body, exhaust and headers


http://www.kennebell.net/superchargers/ford/cobra03/cobra03.htm

holy crap, 45HP from 1 PSI!


BTW, why type is the M90?

[schweppe23]

thats a tradition roots style blower...although the modern day roots are leaps and bounds ahead of the earlier ones with their coated rotors for tighter tolerances and twisted rotor design and improved inlet/outlet designs they are still behind the twin screw.

.02

[matts]

Originally posted by iceman
wow laugh of the day in this thread... thank you !! I haven't seen that much idiotic information in one single post in a while!! blower is synonymous for anything that creates boost... 'nuff said


:lol: that's pretty funny.

[azeniskid]

i have a hairdryer.

[RamAirGAGT]

blower=supercharger

[3100gagt]

As long is it is driven by the belt it is still a Supercharger!!!
Blower, Root, Screw, Centrifugal All the same and still create boost thats all that matters.

[grandam01]

ok then seems i am the only one that feels this way ohh well, seems to me to be the difference between me and the rest of the world. ohhh and i do apologize i did make a pretty good mistake, the roots style is refered to as a blower, and the roots is the one that doesn't compress air. and if any of you smart @sses wishes to dispute take ****in look.

http://www.superchargersonline.com/content.asp?ID=76.

this thread is done its useless. so if a mod would be so kind as to close it or get rid of it completely.

[DontPassTheFence]

oh man, I missed this thread, where have I been? BTW: its $$3k for a blower for my LD9, and I wan t it, Id be blower-ing the hell out of yous guys. haha

[Matt95GT]

Originally posted by grandam01
the roots style is refered to as a blower, and the roots is the one that doesn't compress air. and if any of you smart @sses wishes to dispute take ****in look.


As I've said before, all superchargers compress air however, the roots type does so in a different place...

First, the roots supercharger does not compress air - it only moves from the intake port to the discharge port (i.e. it is the only supercharger design with no internal compression ratio). All of the compression is done in the intake manifold.

No offense, but you should prolly read and understand the article before posting something potentially disputable and stating it as fact. :cheers:


Originally posted by DontPassTheFenc
its $$3k for a blower for my LD9, and I wan t it, Id be blower-ing the hell out of yous guys. haha

$2,219.20 shipped. ;)
Tho don't forget the fuel mods and tuning required since you can't get a reprogram like the 00-01 2.4 peeps. So yea, about $3K total. I wouldn't wait forever... the 2.4 SC is no longer produced, was considered a massive failure, and remain stock is being sold off. It was originally priced at $4-5K.

[TA^Guy]

Originally posted by grandam01
ok then seems i am the only one that feels this way ohh well, seems to me to be the difference between me and the rest of the world. ohhh and i do apologize i did make a pretty good mistake, the roots style is refered to as a blower, and the roots is the one that doesn't compress air. and if any of you smart @sses wishes to dispute take ****in look.

http://www.superchargersonline.com/content.asp?ID=76.

this thread is done its useless. so if a mod would be so kind as to close it or get rid of it completely.
Smart @sses is a heck of a way to thank people for clearing things up for you since you obviously did not understand what you are talking about.

Over a decade of modding cars and I'm still learning things. I've had my hands on all types of things from stock engines to mills pushing a Mustang into the 9's in the 1320. And I'm not the only one, although many of us might drive near stock GAs don't take our experiences for granted.

The way you came off in your first post was pretty stern by it's reading, so you can almost expect people to strongly disagree with you, it's the nature of the internet.

[grandam01]

like i said this thread is done, please close it down.

[iceman]

What for?? This is classic comedy right here... I think if you want the thread closed, apply for a moderator position :)

[TA^Guy]

I you want it closed so no one can reply to your comment about you calling us the 'smart @sses'.

Well to be honest this thread have very usefull information. So to end the discussion because you don't like the fact that no one agrees with you isn't going to happen. People don't agree here all the time, if we closed every thread when people didn't agree you wouldn't be able to reply to anything here.

[CopMagnet5oh]

Originally posted by grandam01
like i said this thread is done, please close it down.

wohahaha, this guy embarassed himself and now wants to wipe the thread out, what a goof. :) no offence tho, just funny. i hope you learned something from this experience.

- Kons

[PhunkAssassin]

why can't we all just get along :(

[Yuppyweird]

yea really^, and i agree this tread is full of very useful info,for the reason to make us laugh once in a while.

[grandam01]

hahaha this is great now to look at, hmmm such a great example of not bein able to take criticism.

[TA^Guy]

Yes, hopefully you have learned to accept it by now.

[tejohnson]

Originally posted by schweppe23
i got a blower and a supercharger. but i usually leave the blower in the bedroom to go play with the supercharger in the garage. :)

LMAO, and I don't think the blower would appreciate the title... ;)

First time I ran into this post. Fun read indeed.