Can't believe he fit this!!!

[dziukap]

Wow, can't believe he fit this sucker in there. Bet that is a fast car, but it prolly added a lot of weight too with all the sound/extras.

http://www.rankmyride.com/?page=cars/view&CID=6943&pnum=3

[dziukap]

BTW: I love my car, when the engine goes I want a new engine in it. You think a new 3900 will fit in a GA when it comes out. They are gettin it in the G6.

[RocketFast321]

Yes it is a tight fit, but I'm sorry to say this has been posted before. :(

[99blackSE]

ya its been posted before...
IT can be done though.

[xxbackhillxx]

yea welcome to 3 months ago.

[99GrandAMSE]

Originally posted by xxbackhillxx
yea welcome to 3 months ago.

Well, I haven't seen it before ... I apologize for being inferior to you and your knoewledge base :(

[Big Joe]

yeah i remeber this imma do the same this i did when i first saw this done, witch is drool

[TheNewLMHDesign]

It can even fit in a 1992-1998.

[Colin]

Originally posted by 99grandamse
Well, I haven't seen it before ... I apologize for being inferior to you and your knoewledge base :( It gets worse as you get older ......;)

[Blackrider]

3900's are pretty much the same size. Th only issue is the VVTI shit on the end of the cam.

[dziukap]

Oh I perfectly realized that many had probably seen this before. It would be sad if no one on this forum had. I was just incredibly amazed he actually wedged it in there. That serpentine belt is practically making love to the frame.

He must be a machinist, and a damn good one, because he said he had to make a lot of custom parts.

[TheNewLMHDesign]

It fits fine, as it does in a 1993.

[ManktheTank19]

Here is one for the 92-98 version grand am's

http://www.gmperformancetuning.com/promocar/promocar/JamzGT3.8SC2.JPG

This place does 3.8L sc engines in fwd gm cars for around 3 grand (not sure though)

[Pte Socks]

I want the new 3.9L in my GA. Oh, finally GM has realised that it can do great things still with these pushrods if only they invest in a little more work. Hello VVTi. 240 hp and a shit load of torque. give me one.

[99blackSE]

Originally posted by Neo-Blue99GASE
I want the new 3.9L in my GA. Oh, finally GM has realised that it can do great things still with these pushrods if only they invest in a little more work. Hello VVTi. 240 hp and a shit load of torque. give me one.

YAAAR, EAT THAT V-TEC ;)

[VanishingImage]

For me Im not suprised it fit,its a GM engine and most GM motors will most likely fit into any GM vehicle,might not for all but for the most part.I do like to see this happen though,its sweet to be able to swap a faster engine in a car. The one only swap that I saw that made my jaw drop was the LS1 drop into the RacerBetty.But any swap of a stronger engine is still sweet none the less:D

[Korbendallas68]

Racer Betty: Not a Grand Am.
Why: From what I understand, the LS1 was not "dropped in", the body was "droped on" a truck frame. whoptee-do.

To me, the car looks retarded, it's way the hell to high in the air.

Me: Mister Negative. :roll2:

[urweak]

theres like 3-5 jbodies what the 3800 swap, and if you can swap that in those little cars, you can probably put that motor in anything on four wheels.

[03grandam]

mmmm i want that 3800sc engine in my ride.
Damn it,didnt look at how old this thread was,1 year old damn.

[loud2kse]

Originally posted by Korbendallas68
Racer Betty: Not a Grand Am.
Why: From what I understand, the LS1 was not "dropped in", the body was "droped on" a truck frame. whoptee-do.

To me, the car looks retarded, it's way the hell to high in the air.

Me: Mister Negative. :roll2:

You don't understand correctly. The Betty is all GA. I've been in it and looked under it. And it's not an LS1 it's a TPI LT1 with a procharger.


And to me the 3800 swap just really isn't all that. I mean the L67 puts out 240 Crank hp, so like 190 to the wheels. You can take a 2.4 and add the GM s/c kit and a smaller pulley with some water/alchy injection and get 200 to the wheels fairly easily. So why spend all that money on an engine, tranny, a crapload of wiring, and a whole customized front end? I mean yeah, it's different, but really not all that impressive as a whole.

[loud2kse]

LOL at this thread being a year old!!!!

exactly a year old at that. all that typing wasted.........

[99blackSE]

Originally posted by loud2kse
You don't understand correctly. The Betty is all GA. I've been in it and looked under it. And it's not an LS1 it's a TPI LT1 with a procharger.


And to me the 3800 swap just really isn't all that. I mean the L67 puts out 240 Crank hp, so like 190 to the wheels. You can take a 2.4 and add the GM s/c kit and a smaller pulley with some water/alchy injection and get 200 to the wheels fairly easily. So why spend all that money on an engine, tranny, a crapload of wiring, and a whole customized front end? I mean yeah, it's different, but really not all that impressive as a whole.

3800 > 3400 currently.

So much easier for performance. And yeah.. this thread is like a year old.. whoa...

[ManktheTank19]

What ever you said is correct. Loud2kse, the 3800 has a huge aftermarket for performance since it is considered a middle class performance engine

[bykryder83]

G6's suck bring back the good car(grand am)

[Mike94SE]

Meh.....


There's an IL Am here with a 350 stroked I think (Blue, in Springfield, what the hell happened to him)

[Korbendallas68]

3800 = Boat anchor.

[JamaicaMeCrazy]

Originally posted by loud2kse
You don't understand correctly. The Betty is all GA. I've been in it and looked under it. And it's not an LS1 it's a TPI LT1 with a procharger.


And to me the 3800 swap just really isn't all that. I mean the L67 puts out 240 Crank hp, so like 190 to the wheels. You can take a 2.4 and add the GM s/c kit and a smaller pulley with some water/alchy injection and get 200 to the wheels fairly easily. So why spend all that money on an engine, tranny, a crapload of wiring, and a whole customized front end? I mean yeah, it's different, but really not all that impressive as a whole.

it's simple - people wanna hear "ROARRR!!!! SNARL!!" not "WIIIIIING!!!-NING!!-NING-NING!!! PUTT-PUTT!!" :D

[ManktheTank19]

Originally posted by Korbendallas68
3800 = Boat anchor.

Far from it

[Tebore]

Originally posted by JamaicaMeCrazy
it's simple - people wanna hear "ROARRR!!!! SNARL!!" not "WIIIIIING!!!-NING!!-NING-NING!!! PUTT-PUTT!!" :D

:lol: :lol: It's true!^^

It'd be nice if we could swap in a SCed 3900 with VVTi the computer work has to be hell tho. I wonder if swaping in the entire drive train would make it easier, (3900 with the 6 speed manual :drool: )

[99blackSE]

Originally posted by Korbendallas68
3800 = Boat anchor.

I don't ever recall a 60* V6 being on Wards Top 10 for multiple years...

[Tebore]

Originally posted by 99blackSE
I don't ever recall a 60* V6 being on Wards Top 10 for multiple years...

I only know of the 3.5/3500 but not for multiple years.

[03grandam]

WoW i accidentaly revived a thread that was a year old and now its once again alive:lol:

[TorquePower]

I'd put the 3800 Series II SC engine in just to piss off my Friend with the regal, He wants that engine but only if he can get it cheap, a used one, because of all the engine work done on his current engine.

[TorquePower]

I'd put the 3800 Series II SC engine in just to piss off my Friend with the regal, He wants that engine but only if he can get it cheap, a used one, because of all the engine work done on his current engine.

[loud2kse]

Originally posted by 99blackSE
3800 > 3400 currently.



but 2.4>3400 lol

and the l67 hardly "roars"..... it whines because of the s/c though.

[JamaicaMeCrazy]

it roars alot more than a 2.4 ever could, and i own a Z24, so i know, but i'll never argue the potential of either engine - they are both GM and it's all good :D

[loud2kse]

true.

apples and oranges from the same tree.. lol

[ManktheTank19]

Now what about the Manapart 2.5 Quad engine :drool:

[99GrandAMSE]

Originally posted by loud2kse
but 2.4>3400 lol ...

:shake:

[Korbendallas68]

60¡Æ > 90¡Æ

[99blackSE]

Originally posted by Korbendallas68
60¡Æ > 90¡Æ

For this year I would agree with you, but I still think the effect of the L36/67 as far as performance and reliability goes cant be taken over yet.

I do however like the LA1 as it is a nice little motor that has good grunt and is still easily capable of 30+ MPG on the highway.

[BledRedGaSe]

Originally posted by bykryder83
G6's suck bring back the good car(grand am)

Sorry to bust Ur bubble but "G6" Stands for Generation 6 Grand Am. G6 is a Grand Am.

3800 Series II motor was motor of the year from like 1998 to 2002 or something like that if I'm not mistaken.

[Korbendallas68]

Originally posted by 99blackSE
For this year I would agree with you, but I still think the effect of the L36/67 as far as performance and reliability goes cant be taken over yet.

I do however like the LA1 as it is a nice little motor that has good grunt and is still easily capable of 30+ MPG on the highway.

True. The degrees are almost left out of the commercial modding scene, in what I feel is because the 3800 is in the Prix. Which is total BS.

Chocolate > Vanilla

:P

[99blackSE]

Originally posted by Korbendallas68
True. The degrees are almost left out of the commercial modding scene, in what I feel is because the 3800 is in the Prix. Which is total BS.

Chocolate > Vanilla

:P

Yeah corporate structuring sucks...

They so could have made the Grand Am with the M62 from the factory or they could have put the L67 in there, as we have guys like Newfinish who have done it themselves, and that would've been a much better car than the W-bodies are. Not only would you be lighter, but youd have the N-bodies greater handling as well...and the performance? These cars wouldve been far greater contenders than the current W's...

But we have to have our classes now dont we...

[Korbendallas68]

haha. Yup.

I love Jason's (Jamz) car over on GMPT.com. Wish it was a coupe though. I would of bought it.

[ManktheTank19]

Originally posted by Korbendallas68
haha. Yup.

I love Jason's (Jamz) car over on GMPT.com. Wish it was a coupe though. I would of bought it.

Is it still for sale :???:

PLUS, there is nothing with a 4 door :)

[Korbendallas68]

lol. I'm pretty sure it's still for sale. He's usually pretty to work on it anymore.

4-door just isn't my thing I guess. My first GA was a 4-Door.

[TorquePower]

Originally posted by ManktheTank19
Here is one for the 92-98 version grand am's

http://www.gmperformancetuning.com/promocar/promocar/JamzGT3.8SC2.JPG

This place does 3.8L sc engines in fwd gm cars for around 3 grand (not sure though)

Can you tell me the place? or if they have a site? Or is it the gmperformancetuning.com that does it?

[Korbendallas68]

No, GMPT.com doesn't do it. Just shot Jason (Jamz) a PM and he'll let you know the company that does.

[Korbendallas68]

http://www.engineered.net/

I found the Link. There ya go!

[ManktheTank19]

Originally posted by Korbendallas68
http://www.engineered.net/

I found the Link. There ya go!

That is the place that did Jamz

Torque - I got that pic from that website which is Jamz car :)

[TorquePower]

Thanks guys you're a lot of help. I'm actually looking into this because not only do I want my GAGT be more "unique" for me, from what I understand I appreciate the 3800 Series II having a big aftermarket base...

and to piss off my friend with the 3800 Series I. =P

[civickiller18]

ok that 2.4 will be workin pretty hard to get those 200 horses to the ground, a 3800 n/a can reach that with just a cold air intake plus the torque cant be reached with the four banger either when the n/a 3800 is putting down like 220 to the wheels, plus think of the possibilitys if u actually worked the 3800 you can get an easy 300 horses out of that baby in a 3100 lbs shell. thats pretty good. another thing is the 3800 and the 3400 use the same tranny, so i think your biggest challenge would be to get the thing mounted right. all i know if i had the fundsand time i woulds do it in a heart beat

[xxbackhillxx]

Originally posted by civickiller18
another thing is the 3800 and the 3400 use the same tranny

no they don't

3400 = 4t45e
3800 = 4t65e

[Tebore]

The torque from the SC 3800 would turn the tranny for the 3100/3400 to shreds.

[ChevelleSSLS6]

Originally posted by 99grandamse
Well, I haven't seen it before ... I apologize for being inferior to you and your knoewledge base :(

don't worry; I didn't see the 'first version' of this thread... btw some guy swapped the 3800sc in a 95 Saturn SC2... the old pop-up headlight coupe. If I remember it runs really low 14s stock engine and a vaccum leak.

EDIT: I do believe that the 3800SC uses a heavier duty version of the tranny that the N/A 3800 uses.

[LordRayden]

Originally posted by bykryder83
G6's suck bring back the good car(grand am)

Agreed 150%

[Tebore]

[i]
EDIT: I do believe that the 3800SC uses a heavier duty version of the tranny that the N/A 3800 uses. [/B]

They use the 4T-65e in the 3800 and the 4T-65e HD in the in SCed version I believe. Even then the HD version isn's too much stronger, relative to the non HD I wish GM did have a true HD 5 Speed Auto that's not a truck tranny.