ram air upgrade??

[ssvejiita]

i recently purchased my bro's 99 grand am se...ive driven my sisters GT model and i really love the ram air..
i was wondering if there is any way of adding the ram air to my car?????

[prisen]

yep.

http://www.n-body.net/tech/index.php - search for performance mods and click "Adding ram air to SE models"

Simple 10 minute job. You will find (at least I did) that some of the part numbers don't match up. Bring in a print-out of that guide and this image: http://www.n-body.net/tech/images/10/10_4.jpg - it really helps.

[99GrandAMSE]

... here is the RAM-AIR instructions (http://www.gaownersclub.com/downloads/ram-air-instructions.pdf) that I made and the part numbers listed are accurate :)

[ssvejiita]

ok....i see how to do it...but where can i buy the parts from???
and the link from 99grandamse didnt work fer me

[prisen]

Originally posted by ssvejiita
ok....i see how to do it...but where can i buy the parts from???
and the link from 99grandamse didnt work fer me

well, hrm, not to make you sound like a moron, but those are GM part numbers, a GM DEALER would be happy to help you with getting the parts..plan to spend about US$175 for everything, give or take.

You need Adobe Acrobat Reader to view .pdf files.

[Themeneea]

can you get it anywere else? somewere cheaper?

[Chaotic Reality]

Heh, $175 for a bunch of useless plastic...if you have $175, spend it on a CAI from APOC. :)

-Jon

[tido_29]

yeah, someone was selling the entire Ram Air set up on some site. I think gagt.com but i dont remember. for only like 60 bucks. I think what you felt was the gear ratio and all that. not really the ram air. If you are going to spend 175 go for the CAI not the RA

[99GrandAMSE]

Originally posted by Chaotic Reality
Heh, $175 for a bunch of useless plastic...if you have $175, spend it on a CAI from APOC. :)

-Jon

Personally, I don't think the 'stock' RAM-AIR is useless and in fact, I feel it is quite USEFUL!! It is true of course that the CAI will add more performance increase than the RAM-AIR, but, it also adds a increase in sound and to me, it does not look as 'clean' under the hood as the 'factory stuff' ... guess it all comes down to what you are trying to make your care into ... for me, I wanted a factory look with some additional performance which is exactly what I managed :)

[Colin]

Originally posted by 99grandamse
Personally, I don't think the 'stock' RAM-AIR is useless and in fact, I feel it is quite USEFUL!! It is true of course that the CAI will add more performance increase than the RAM-AIR, but, it also adds a increase in sound and to me, it does not look as 'clean' under the hood as the 'factory stuff' ... guess it all comes down to what you are trying to make your care into ... for me, I wanted a factory look with some additional performance which is exactly what I managed :) :agree: This is the direction i chose with my car , i think the factory did a pretty good job given the restrictions put upon them .

[pre_16365]

i put the ramair in my se. it wasnt bad and i liked the look but i took it out a few weeks ago and put in a CAI. i like the CAI alot better not only because of the gains but it makes more room in the engine bay. dont buy the ramair parts from GM they cost to much.... lokk around the clubs and ebay, you should beable to find it.... ive seen it for 50 or 60 bucks a few times.

i would sell you my, but its all painted blue.

[ssvejiita]

well my 99 ga is blue....i went today to the dealer and the parts come out to more than 250.$$....if you really dont want your ram air setup and are willin to sell show me some picks of how it looks blue..and mayb i will take it from u
what do u thank??
supervejiita@hotmail.com

[ssvejiita]

what kinda paint did u use to paint those ram air parts blue???

[99GrandAMSE]

Originally posted by ssvejiita
... the parts come out to more than 250.$$ ...

WOW ... pricey ... I got ALL of my parts for under $300 CDN, taxes included ... that works out to roughly $180-$200 US

[TA^Guy]

Originally posted by 99grandamse
Personally, I don't think the 'stock' RAM-AIR is useless and in fact, I feel it is quite USEFUL!! It is true of course that the CAI will add more performance increase than the RAM-AIR, but, it also adds a increase in sound and to me, it does not look as 'clean' under the hood as the 'factory stuff' ... guess it all comes down to what you are trying to make your care into ... for me, I wanted a factory look with some additional performance which is exactly what I managed :)
Originally posted by Colin
:agree: I think the factory did a pretty good job given the restrictions put upon them .
I agree. Everyone knocks the stock RamAir setup but I don't think understand guidelines they need to follow.

I too like the look of the stock setup. The hood open at shows does get many comments (most of those that think RamAir si some kind of supercharger or something :rolleyes: )

I don't mind the extra intake noise of a open cone, because typically it's only heard around WOT.

Right now I'm pondering installing a cool air setup for the added hp gain.

On tha tnote I don't feel the gain is from 'cooler air', but actually most likely due to the tube itself. The stock one is narrow and takes many bends, as where the aftermarket tubes are fairly straight and smooth, thus inproving velocity and volume.

[kmikl]

True: if you want performance: CAI... it's designed to suck in cooler air, and it looks cool, but hey, the Ram Air is free (on a GT... well almost free..). Anyhow.. I can't believe that none of you mentioned going to UAP or the local wrecking yard!! That's where you'll get the setup for pretty cheap (like $100 or so).

Either way, the Ram Air setup from the factory is pretty restrictive, not to mention its not even a closed system, so it's effectiveness is pretty limited. They'd need a setup similar to the airboxes on the LS-1's in order to make significant gains.

[HondaCivicsSuck]

well thats if you can find one off a GAGT.. thoses things sell like hot Cakes here LOL

JOe

[Monello]

I have mine for sale, its like brand new, i took it all out when i installed the S/C


This include it all, front RAM-AIR plastic, Airbox, and pipes.


Make an offer =)

[Grand_Am_Guru]

Originally posted by 99grandamse
Personally, I don't think the 'stock' RAM-AIR is useless and in fact, I feel it is quite USEFUL!! It is true of course that the CAI will add more performance increase than the RAM-AIR, but, it also adds a increase in sound and to me, it does not look as 'clean' under the hood as the 'factory stuff' ... guess it all comes down to what you are trying to make your care into ... for me, I wanted a factory look with some additional performance which is exactly what I managed :)

factory ram air added 10trq/hp. cai adds 2tops. How does that make cai better man?

[ssvejiita]

Originally posted by Monello
I have mine for sale, its like brand new, i took it all out when i installed the S/C


This include it all, front RAM-AIR plastic, Airbox, and pipes.


Make an offer =)

well...how new? got ne picks and how much would shippin be im in los angeles??

[JoeyK]

How can a cai get cold air from the fenderwell? The ram air, although would do much better if the resignator were removed & the entire system sealed up, gets much cooler air from the front of the car. You can't get any colder than that unless you're gonna try to refridgurate your intake:-) The cai just has the benefit of a straighter path. But if, like I said, the ram air were sealed, it'd do just as good a job, most likely better at getting volume in as a cai. Some kid w/ an alero over on gagt.com was getting lippy w/ me because he couldn't understand why his cai wasn't better. Just because you can whip out your plastic & buy a bolt on doesn't make it better.
I work for Penske & I can gauruntee you'll never see a cai on our irl & nascar cars. the intakes are the same as ram air. Yes, I know they are totally different cars than our ga's but that doesn't change physics/ any internal combustion benefits from cooler air & more volume/ which is where the ram air comes into play. Our factory ram air just needs a little tweaking, that's all.

[Old Guy]

I apologize for being a little off topic, but as far as the CAI question on how do you get cold air from the fenderwell, well it may not make sense, but you do. After the thread that was mentioned on GAGT.com, I had my auto-tech class perform a few tests and the results were pretty amazing. Because I also questioned this where it applied to my car I let them use mine as one of the test vehicles. I know there's cold air being forced into the fender well because the fog light "which is in the front af the car" is not sealed on my SE and has about a 1/2" gap around it. Water has gotten in so air has to.

Outside temp - 68 degrees
Intake temp @ idle - 90 degrees with water temp 200 degrees
Intake temp @ 3000 rpm - 81 degrees (standing)
Intake temp @ 3000 rpm 1st gear - 70 degrees
(the intake temp continued to drop as speed increased)
Intake temp @ 2000 rpm - 64 degrees (moving at 70 mph)

Now this was not done scientifically, there are no graphs or any thing other than temperature sensors attached to the cars with one guy driving and one writing the data down. I basically wanted them to do this for 2 reasons. One was to see the effect of a cold air intake and how it works, and the other was selfish :) I have been thinking of building a heat shield for the tube in the engine compartment and wanted to see if it was really necessary.

As far as Nascar racers using cold air intakes......they don't need them. The intake and exhaust are tuned for boost at certain engine speeds and at the speed they're moving at ram air is extremely efficient. Any Ram Air system on any car only works once the car is moving. On our cars the ram air doesn't do much until you hit about 60 or so.

I think you have to think about the application and decide which is best for you. I drag race - CAI is my choice, someone else is does rallies - maybe ram air is better for them. Guys like Kelly... well what can I say???? j/k. Kelly chose what works the best for him (actually I wouldn't mind doing the Ram Air just for the look!!)

The last thing I'll add is, JoeyK, come up with something!!!! The thread you were involved in gave me 2 really good ideas. One gets dynoed next week and the other will be done after I see the results. If you can make the factory Ram Air work as well as you say it can....do it.....everyone will listen!!! :thumbup2:

Wheew!!! That's alot of typing for 2 fingers!!

[JoeyK]

I don't want the factory ram air. I'm just saying it could be made just as efficient. I am makeing a real ram air hood. I am basicaly defending direct air in general. That's what it really is, I won't use the ram air name because most people have a prob w/ just the mention of it. they think everything associated w/ ram air is inferior. & I'm not just talking about the factory air!!! no one can get it through thier heads that I am not necessarily talking about the sorry attempt by the factory, I am talking about direct air in general, the idea, the physics. I ask you this, how do you get colder air inside a fenderwell. Don't tell me what the box says that a tube came in. Everyone knows the ram air effect doen't come into play untill your moveing. that's not the point. I'm talking of getting cooler air in at a bigger volume.

[JoeyK]

I don't want the factory ram air. I'm just saying it could be made just as efficient. I am makeing a real ram air hood. I am basicaly defending direct air in general. That's what it really is, I won't use the ram air name because most people have a prob w/ just the mention of it. they think everything associated w/ ram air is inferior. & I'm not just talking about the factory air!!! no one can get it through thier heads that I am not necessarily talking about the sorry attempt by the factory, I am talking about direct air in general, the idea, the physics. I ask you this, how do you get colder air inside a fenderwell. Don't tell me what the box says that a tube came in. Everyone knows the ram air effect doen't come into play untill your moveing. that's not the point. I'm talking of getting cooler air in at a bigger volume.

[Old Guy]

Originally posted by JoeyK
I am talking about direct air in general, the idea, the physics. I ask you this, how do you get colder air inside a fenderwell. Don't tell me what the box says that a tube came in. Everyone knows the ram air effect doen't come into play untill your moveing. that's not the point. I'm talking of getting cooler air in at a bigger volume.

I think you're missing the point. I never said that Ram Air doesn't work and didn't say the say the air in the fenderwell was colder than the air in front of the car. It's all about application. What someone is doing with the car. The numbers don't lie and neither do dynos. CAIs will give you roughly 8 hp at the fly from a standing start, Ram Air will not. Re read my previous post and all of the questions you asked are there.

Good luck with the hood....making it functional throughout the entire power band and still appealing in appearance is going to be a real job. It was much easier on the older cars because they were boxy and slapping a hood scoop on them really didn't kill their appearance, but the 99+ GAs are so smooth it'll be tougher to keep the air from flowing over them. Post some pics when you're done so we can see it :)

[JoeyK]

It should grab enough air, I'm useing the warbird scoops. They have pretty big nostrils, infact they're almost identical in size to the w6 TA's. I'm going on what I've been told by 2 of the guys(Mechanics) on our Marlboro IRL team that own w6 TA's. They brought up a good point when I showed them the numbers' posted on the board... What real good is the 8hp going to do you from a stand still? unless you're gonna tear up your car & put huge drag tires up front. Meaning, we can't keep the wheels from spinning from a stand still when the car is stock, the extra 8 will just give you more spin. The w6 ram air starts to bring in fresh air around 10mph. I'm not talking pressurized, ram air effect, just fresh air because when the car is sitting still as you may easily guess, brings in warm air from the engine heat on the hood. But they said as little as 10 mhp starts delivering fresh cool outside air.
It might not be till this fall that I am done. I've got a touring wing & a custom paint job to do also. Not to mention all the stuff I'm doing inside the car right now (mp3 player, guages, etc.) & numerous customer vehicles.
So if no one wants to belive what they've told me, that's fine. To each thier own but I'm going on the advice from people I consider experts.I was just trying to tell people there's more to improveing your intake than just fullowing the sheep. But that's also fine if you don't have the skills to make your own intake system, people just need to open thier eyes & not be so ignorant sometimes. I plan on takeing pics as I go so if anyone else wnat to do it it'll make it easier for them.

[Night Wolf]

This is the question I always had:

with a CAI and having a cone filter int he wheel well..... wouldn't the filter get loaded up with rain, mud, snow etc.... really fast? what is keeping the filter clean etc....

Maybe some pictures would help too.

[Old Guy]

It's in the fender......there's a liner in the wheel well, so no mud, snow, rain hits it. They stay pretty clean....mine was in about 6 months when I checked, it was pretty clean.

[R8DERHED5150]

Umm