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XtremeGrandAm
05-19-2005, 08:19 AM
Heres the article from detroit news. Seems like GM has finally figured out that you cant just offer every brand a full line of vehicles expecially when they are all basically the same.
Only two of General Motors Corp.'s eight brands -- Chevrolet and Cadillac -- will remain full-line marques while the others will offer more limited product lines under a new strategy aimed at building sales, cutting costs and bolstering brand identity.

The move marks a shift away from GM's long-held philosophy that nearly every brand should offer a full array of cars, trucks and minivans, said Mark LaNeve, GM North America vice president of vehicle sales, service and marketing.

The automaker's goal is to clearly differentiate each of its brands and phase out cars and trucks that don't fit in with a brand or are too similar to other vehicles in GM's lineup.

"People say we have too many brands," LaNeve said in a recent interview. "We have too many brands if we try to do the same things with all the brands."

GM is revamping its sales and marketing strategy in an effort to reverse sliding sales and U.S. market share.

Analyst Jim Sanfilippo of AMCI Inc. in Bloomfield Hills said he believes the changes are necessary and could pay off for GM.

"It's like (GM Chairman and CEO) Rick Wagoner and LaNeve putting bricks and mortar back together while they're under fire," Sanfilippo said.

LaNeve said mass-market Chevrolet and premium Cadillac will be the two bookend brands, with each offering a broad product lineup.

In between, Buick, Pontiac, GMC, Saturn, Hummer and Saab will exist as "focus brands" with more limited portfolios.

That means, for example, GM could eliminate either the Buick Terraza or Pontiac Montana SV6 minivan -- which are similar to other GM minivans -- to concentrate on the brands' bread-and-butter vehicles.

Pontiac, GM's performance division, is dropping the Bonneville full-size car at the end of this model year and may see its product line further truncated.

GM is repositioning Saturn as a more upscale brand below Buick, leaving behind its past as a purveyor of plastic-clad compact cars.

"We've made this clear to the dealers," LaNeve said. "Chevy's got to compete heads-up with Ford and Toyota and all the mainstream parts of the market, and Cadillac needs to have everything it can to compete with BMW, Mercedes and Lexus. The other brands need to be tightly focused."

A key part of the strategy has been the ongoing transformation of Pontiac, Buick and GMC into a single sales channel where all three brands are sold at the same dealership. GM says the three brands complement each other and give customers myriad options.

About half of the GM dealers selling the three brands already have reconfigured their stores to sell all three, LaNeve said.

The effect, said David Cole, chairman of the Center for Automotive Research, is downsizing without eliminating brands as some analysts have predicted.

"What they're really doing is taking their divisions and shrinking their number in a de facto way," Cole said.

LaNeve said GM is also backing off big cash rebates that have helped elevate sales in recent years but undermined long-term brand equity.

The mantra now is "value" or "transaction pricing," where vehicles are priced closer to what consumers actually pay for the vehicle. That doesn't mean GM will abandon promotional deals that allow consumers to terminate leases early if they acquire another new GM model, or its current "Hot Button" contest in which GM is giving away 1,000 vehicles.

"We're going to be trying to hit much more compelling price points," LaNeve said. "We're clearly not going to go to the market as the incentive leader."

That sounds like a smart move to Detroit Cadillac dealer Doug Dalgleish Jr., who says "we need to try value pricing. We'll add more value to the vehicles."

Incentives such as cash rebates will be offered a more brand-by-brand and regional basis rather than sweeping one-size-fits-all programs.

A former collegiate middle linebacker, LaNeve has become a combination cheerleader and coach in urging GM's marketing team to come up with "big plays."

He recently bestowed the first "big play" football on Mark-Hans Richer, the Pontiac marketing director who came up with the idea of landing the Pontiac Solstice as the subject of a task on the reality show "The Apprentice."

"All of GM is being asked to think out of the box," Richer said.

Over the past month, LaNeve and Wagoner have met with about 2,500 dealers to discuss the new strategy.

"LaNeve is giving the dealers a clearer picture, telling them 'we know where we are, we know what we're doing and we know what to do,'" Sanfilippo said.

Dealers are weary and wary of the almost daily headlines detailing GM's financial challenges and speculation the company may be forced to drop an additional brand following the elimination of Oldsmobile.

GM lost $1.1 billion in the first quarter and has withdrawn earnings guidance for the rest of 2005.

Rochester Hills Pontiac-Buick dealer Russ Shelton said the combination of the new strategies and the arrival later this year of such products as the Pontiac Torrent SUV, the two-seat convertible Solstice and the Buick Lucerne signal that GM is in better shape than headlines indicate.

"It tells me I still sell the right franchises and the future is very bright for us," Shelton said.

By combining Pontiac, Buick and GMC into one channel, "we're hoping we'll have you as a customer for life," Shelton said.

The game plan is good news for members of Shelton's sales force who are fatigued with all of the bad news and are anxious to sell the new products.

"GM's made some positive moves," said Sue Farrell of Rochester Hills, who has sold cars at Shelton for eight years. "They're really working to redesign the vehicles and offering fresh products. I'm very optimistic."

Salesman Adam DeJans says some customers are sensing GM is on the ropes, and using that to their advantage.

"They're thinking: If GM wants to stay in business, they better cut me a deal," he said.

Springfield, Mo., dealer Lynn Thompson is being patient with LaNeve and the company. "It's sort of like a giant ship on the Mississippi River," he said. "You just can't turn it around. I know GM has to pull up its bootstraps."

Even as GM's U.S. market share languishes at historic lows, there is hope in the showrooms that upcoming products will pull the automaker out of its swoon.

"They've faced dilemmas like this in the past," said Ed Springs, sales manager at Suburban Cadillac-Buick-Hummer in Troy. "They're strong and they'll find a way."

sunrunner_pei
05-19-2005, 08:44 AM
That was a very interesting read. :)

rabidpanda69
05-19-2005, 09:46 AM
Sounds like a good Idea. Who needs 4 different brands of trailblazers anyway?:P

Gimli
05-19-2005, 11:09 AM
I don't think that's gonna make that much of a difference, except for a couple lines of SUVs and minivans.

Rayz
05-19-2005, 11:26 AM
I can see GM going down to 4 brands
Chevrolet ( full line absorbing any unique Buick models)
Pontiac ( performance line dropping vans giving Vibe to Chevy absorbing Saab and selling a redesigned Saturn Ion red line as a Pontiac)
Cadillac (just keep on keeping on)
Hummer ( absorbing GMC and all trucks and vans over ½ ton)

Buick, Saturn, GMC, Saab, dumped

b2089
05-19-2005, 11:38 AM
I don't count Hummer in the scale down because they can't drop the hummer name, it has too much history.

Pontiac does need some marginal vehicles also. They could give us a Montana but only offer it with a bigger engine that is optional on the Chevy. Pontiac families want alternatives. It's time people stoped buying pontiac sunfires because GEO isn't around anymore. It's destroying the companies name to become a car seat machine.

I don't understand what Buick is for, it's alwaus been a cheap cadilac.

GMC is another one I don't get. A truck only division, then dump chevy trucks and make all trucks GMC. That would make more sense to me. All trucks, SUVs and even Mini-Vans could be GMC. They won't do it because no matter how objective they claim to be Chevy is their favorite child. It sells the because it gets 10 times the advertising, and that reinforces their treating it special.

Also, it looks like they are going to stop the rebadging. You know what I mean, where everyone has a cavalier but they call it something different. That's a good idea. It caused to much confusion with the buyers and animosity with the sellers.

Putting Buick, Pontiac and GMC on one lot killed my local pontiac dealership. It's so full of overblown trucks that no one will buy that there is only one pontiac left on the lot, an STP Bonneville. I fused at them but I doubt they'll change. No GTO, no Solstice, they've got trucks in the showroom.

XtremeGrandAm
05-19-2005, 12:48 PM
Originally posted by Rayz
I can see GM going down to 4 brands
Chevrolet ( full line absorbing any unique Buick models)
Pontiac ( performance line dropping vans giving Vibe to Chevy absorbing Saab and selling a redesigned Saturn Ion red line as a Pontiac)
Cadillac (just keep on keeping on)
Hummer ( absorbing GMC and all trucks and vans over ½ ton)

Buick, Saturn, GMC, Saab, dumped

That goes back to this thread where we discussed the divisions. http://www.gaownersclub.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=40136 But GM has already said that they will maintain the current divisions. Offering unique competitve vehicles and not a full line of identical vehicles for each brand is the way many people have said GM should be.

Rayz
05-19-2005, 01:05 PM
Originally posted by XtremeGrandAm
But GM has already said that they will maintain the current divisions. Offering unique competitve vehicles and not a full line of identical vehicles for each brand is the way many people have said GM should be.

Yea, and GM never waffles :lol:

DoubleOZeroGAse
05-20-2005, 11:06 AM
Originally posted by Rayz
I can see GM going down to 4 brands
Chevrolet ( full line absorbing any unique Buick models)
Pontiac ( performance line dropping vans giving Vibe to Chevy absorbing Saab and selling a redesigned Saturn Ion red line as a Pontiac)
Cadillac (just keep on keeping on)
Hummer ( absorbing GMC and all trucks and vans over ½ ton)

Buick, Saturn, GMC, Saab, dumped
:agree: I like that plan a lot, except keep GMC and Hummer as they are. I like GMC trucks the way they are, I don't want to buy a Hummer Sierra. I don't think they can afford to dump Saab either, it's a good-selling luxury brand.

Rayz
05-20-2005, 11:11 AM
Originally posted by DoubleOZeroGAse
:agree: I like that plan a lot, except keep GMC and Hummer as they are. I like GMC trucks the way they are, I don't want to buy a Hummer Sierra. I don't think they can afford to dump Saab either, it's a good-selling luxury brand.

I was thinking selling the Saabs rebadged as Pontiacs because Pontiac has a kind of European flavor and the Hummer and GMC could share dealerships that could work.

Subtle_Cynicism
05-20-2005, 12:03 PM
They say they want to eliminate a similar car body across the divisions, but I find that funny because the Equinox and Torrent are practically the same. I find the Cobalt and G6 to be pretty darn similar looking on the back, and there are others.

They need to start being original and make defining characteristics in their divisions. If Pontiac is the "Driving Excitement" division, make that distinct and unique.

car audio dave
05-20-2005, 12:55 PM
hmmm...id say this:
GMC-dump it
Saab- leave it as is, not many people associate it with GM, leave it that way
chevy-their new plan is good, dont make Z06 though($70k is too much for their low end cars)
caddy-make the XLR available in a Z06 model
pontiac-keep the bonny but only w/v8, gp only with GTP and GXP, and dump the vibe, montana and dont make a new sunfire
hummer-doesnt have much history but has great brands identity, keep it but expand it to have real trucks. then itll take care of what GMC used to offer.
buick-works great for being a "cheap" caddy
saturn-dump it, nobody will change their view enough on this brands to buy it for anything more than $20k

b2089
05-20-2005, 02:31 PM
I think Hummer needs to retain it's name because Hummer isn't a brand, it's an image. However it could be made like a GMC truck in the GMC plants and sold on GMC lots. In that case it would be like the Cutlas in the 80's, one model with infinite variations as deemed necesary by GMC. they CAN NOT make hummer trucks or mid-size SUV's. If they did that they'd be better off killing the name alltogether. Hummer is more like Honda's NSX. It's a flagship, a prestige vehicle that isn't intended to sell in mas quantity. Instead the profit margin is higher so it is made up in the fewer sold.

I'm not sure if they should dump GMC or Chevy trucks. One or the other, but we've been to quick to judge here. Think of it like this, if GM wants to streamline the brands and give them unique qualities, then why not cut Chevy also. Right now Chevy is a catch all. Why should it have trucks as well as the largest selection of cars. It dilutes the name.

This GMC, Buick, and Pontiac lot merger sucked in my area. Has anyone else had better luck? Perhaps you gained a pontiac lot where there wasn't one.

car audio dave
05-24-2005, 02:30 PM
well the pontiac dealer that i go to also sells Buick and Mazda. they wont sell GMC because theres too many other GMC dealers in the area.

roksoc
05-24-2005, 03:39 PM
looks like they are making good choices now. What I would like to see is the quality of cars go up I mean even the cheap japanese cars look good on the inside and chevys have cheap black plastic we need to start usinf brushed aluminum and have more standard options. even if the price is higher they will sell because they look better.

DontPassTheFence
05-27-2005, 09:38 PM
POntiac just makes sense to be the performance area fpr GM, and Saturn is making a comeback, but GMC and Buick dont seem to useful, since the low end caddy's are nicer than the buicks, and chevy has the same trucks/SUVs as GMC. (I never understood GMC, argh!) == And whomever didnt see GM favoring Chevy isnt very knowledgible, I have come to terms with this, and I know this is how it will always be, Chevy is the heartbeat of america. But pontiac needs to still be the Driving Excitement and what not. And maybe im biased towards Pontiac because I own one, but so be it, Pontiac will always be sexy, and chevy used to have that smae flare, but after 1998, the flair went downhill real quick

30thAnnGAGT
05-29-2005, 01:56 AM
GM's campaign is definately shifting towards the trucks for now. But just wait and see what they have down the line ;)

Michiru
06-07-2005, 06:14 PM
Originally posted by Rayz
I can see GM going down to 4 brands
Chevrolet ( full line absorbing any unique Buick models)
Pontiac ( performance line dropping vans giving Vibe to Chevy absorbing Saab and selling a redesigned Saturn Ion red line as a Pontiac)
Cadillac (just keep on keeping on)
Hummer ( absorbing GMC and all trucks and vans over ½ ton)

Buick, Saturn, GMC, Saab, dumped

I agreee with all but giving the Vibe to Chevy. I own a '03 Vibe GT in addition to my Grand Am and I must say that it should stay as a Pontiac because:

1. it is very exciting to drive (don't let the wagon body fool you - the car can move!)
2. imagine a Chevy badge on the front - it would just be wrong! it was made for the arrow!

I know that there have been Chevy/Toyota matings in the past, but I have to say that the Vibe came out good as a (correct me if I am wrong) first time Pontiac/Toyota mating.

Let Chevy have the daily driver sedans. Give Pontiac the Sport Sedans (and Sport Wagon!) and keep the excitement going!