Cheapest and most impressive mod per $

[Cleaner13]

Ok guys please bear with me about this write up as I do not have any pictures.... I will try and get some to make this alot easier to explain



what you need are 2-4 very small zip ties.. and patience..


Ok what this mod does above anything is give alot better throttle response and theres no reason to ever have to get the TPS throttle sensor

while your car is turned off, and your looking at the throttle body, there are 2 lines that run across and connect to it to open the butterfly, one is what keeps your idle even, which you can adjust as well and the farther of the 2 lines is the one connected to the accelerator. Now if you follow the line to where it attaches on the side of the throttle body you will note its connected to a sort of quarter circle shaped black piece.

The absolute end of the wire is almost a hammer shape, the wire follows into the middle of a small cylinder shaped piece of steel.

The only way you can see the end is if u look through the black piece through the side, you can see the end piece all the way at the end of the quarter circle where its attached kind of loosely.

What you want to do is open the throttle all the way with one hand, and with the other push the wire towards the hammer end so it moves roughly half an inch up.

while it is in this position take one of the small zip ties and slide it through the black piece sideways so its under the hammer, then attach the zip tie tightly around the corner of the black piece. at this point you can add another 2 or so zip ties, what it does is take the slack out of the wire to the pedal and gives more of an instant response.

I know this is a terrible write up and Im sort of in a hurray but I will try and answer question as they come as I realize this is not totally clear without pics etc...

The idea of this is to take that extra half inch of slack out of the wire at the end where the hammer is by spacing the wire by putting the zip ties in between where the hammer would contact.

hope everyone likes this mod as its incredibly cheap under $1 and it makes a huge difference

[Bjornboy81]

Originally posted by Cleaner13
while your car is turned off, and your looking at the throttle body, there are 2 lines that run across and connect to it to open the butterfly, one is what keeps your idle even, which you can adjust as well and the farther of the 2 lines is the one connected to the accelerator.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding, but isn't one for the pedal, and the other one for your cruise control :???:

[Cleaner13]

Originally posted by Bjornboy81
Maybe I'm misunderstanding, but isn't one for the pedal, and the other one for your cruise control :???:

Iam probably wrong then, however it wont make a difference as long as you modify the other line regardless

[Colin]

Here's a cheap impressive mod --- If you raise the back of your car up it will be faster because it'll always be going down hill .... :D :???: :roll2:

[Cleaner13]

Originally posted by Colin
Here's a cheap impressive mod --- If you raise the back of your car up it will be faster because it'll always be going down hill .... :D :???: :roll2:


Fine be a smart ass dude, if you have nothing positive to contribute dont say anything at all, especially if you havent tried it.

Im sure Ive been racing along longer then you and know alot more about cars then you do, the funny thing is I didnt make the idea up, I got it from being part of a Buick Grand National club... you see they did the same thing on their cars... but Im sure they have no idea about fast cars or racing like you do....

[Cleaner13]

Originally posted by Colin
Here's a cheap impressive mod --- If you raise the back of your car up it will be faster because it'll always be going down hill .... :D :???: :roll2:

Oh and by the way smarty , if you raised the back of your car up, your axles would still run parallel to the ground, which wouldnt be downhill at all...

[Bjornboy81]

Originally posted by Cleaner13
Im sure Ive been racing along longer then you and know alot more about cars then you do...

:lol: Colin's been alive twice as long as you...have respect for the elders!!!

I think we need pics and some theroies on what this mod does. Until then you may get a lot of shit ;)

[Cleaner13]

Originally posted by Bjornboy81
:lol: Colin's been alive twice as long as you...have respect for the elders!!!

I think we need pics and some theroies on what this mod does. Until then you may get a lot of shit ;)

Just because hes been alive twice as long doesnt mean hes had twice the knowledge, my father has been working with cars his entire life hes an autobody owner, mechanic and car dealer. Ive been in the business since I was 9 putting cars together and autobody work etc... Started driving when I was 9 etc....

I will try and get some pics, and its not a theory, all you are doing is taking out extra slack out of the accelerator cable, enabling you instant response, imagine this

Before I would have to push my pedal in about 1-1 1/2 inches to start accelerating (these are just estimates to give you an idea)

After, the moment I touch the pedal the car is accelerating

What happen was the extra slack in the cable had been taken out, giving a tighter cable, with quicker response since it has less movement in it now.

Here is another example

Two situations

1st situation
You have a piece of rope tied to a wagon, the rope is 10 feet long and is just in a pile in front of the wagon, you pick the opposite end up and start walking with it, it will take you til roughly 10 feet before the wagon feels the tension from the rope and starts moving

2nd situation
You have the same piece of rope, but cut it down by say 5 feet, you do the same exercise by walking away, when you reach 5 feet the wagon starts moving.

Now compare the two, in situation 2 it takes you less time to start moving the wagon by just adjusting the rope and making it smaller
you are doing no more work either

is that a better explanation?

[Bjornboy81]

I got the first part. I think there's something wrong with your car that you have to push it down 1.5" before you get acceleration!

Mine is instantly. I would suggest you get it fixed before you go and tie rap it.

[tenspeed]

I haven't looked that the Grand Am throttle cable but other throttle cables have adjustment nuts that do the same thing. Look for a long threaded part at one of the ends of the cable. It goes through a metal plate and has two adjustment nuts.

[Cleaner13]

Originally posted by tenspeed
I haven't looked that the Grand Am throttle cable but other throttle cables have adjustment nuts that do the same thing. Look for a long threaded part at one of the ends of the cable. It goes through a metal plate and has two adjustment nuts.

thank you

I will check but honestly I didnt see anything like that... the only thing was the cable came out of what looks like a half sphere with a hole through the middle of it...

[Colin]

Originally posted by Cleaner13
Im sure Ive been racing along longer then you and know alot more about cars then you do First of all it's obvious you know nothing about me . And , as far you knowing alot more about cars than myself , opinions vary ... :roll2:

[Cleaner13]

Originally posted by Colin
First of all it's obvious you know nothing about me . And , as far you knowing alot more about cars than myself , opinions vary ... :roll2:

Your right I dont know anything about you, but you hinted your knowledge on your first post, even though it is a joke it didnt make any sense anyway....

Opinions may vary but facts remain....

[evlhamstr]

guys this is a club quit argueing, be friendly and go look at the vin deisel thread!!!

[Colin]

Originally posted by Cleaner13
even though it is a joke it didnt make any sense anyway. If you knew it was just a joke ( and it was ) why get bent out of shape and start with the personal attacks and insults ?

[Cleaner13]

Originally posted by Colin
If you knew it was just a joke ( and it was ) why get bent out of shape and start with the personal attacks and insults ?

I would assume thats because of your indirect sarcasm towards my thread.....

[evlhamstr]

i got worms guys.... WORMS!!!!

[Colin]

Originally posted by Cleaner13
I would assume thats because of your indirect sarcasm towards my thread..... You must be a sensitive guy , i'll have to make sure i don't post in YOUR threads from now on . :lol:

[Cleaner13]

Originally posted by Colin
You must be a sensitive guy , i'll have to make sure i don't post in YOUR threads from now on . :lol:

Ok man whatever lets you sleep at night, the whole point to the forums is to help out and come up with new ideas, not be immature and joke with every post... yeah Im real sensitive :roll2:

maybe it didnt make sense to me that a 47 year old was acting at a 1/4 of his age...

Why is it that only in my thread you made a joke, yet in almost every other thread you contributed something, with the exception of a few sarcastic answers ....

[Colin]

:nothing:

[Junkyard Viking]

RISEN FROM THE DEAD, ROFLCOPTARZ!!!!

Anyway I was hoping to see something useful from this thread but meh :-/. I don't see how adjusting your throttle plate's idle stop is going to help you accellerate more. The car will just idle faster. The plate can only move so far before it's parallel to the air flow (WOT). I am assuming thats what you're doing here?

[Bjornboy81]

Originally posted by Cleaner13
I will try and get some pics, and its not a theory, all you are doing is taking out extra slack out of the accelerator cable, enabling you instant response, imagine this

Before I would have to push my pedal in about 1-1 1/2 inches to start accelerating (these are just estimates to give you an idea)

After, the moment I touch the pedal the car is accelerating

What happen was the extra slack in the cable had been taken out, giving a tighter cable, with quicker response since it has less movement in it now.

Here is another example

Two situations

1st situation
You have a piece of rope tied to a wagon, the rope is 10 feet long and is just in a pile in front of the wagon, you pick the opposite end up and start walking with it, it will take you til roughly 10 feet before the wagon feels the tension from the rope and starts moving

2nd situation
You have the same piece of rope, but cut it down by say 5 feet, you do the same exercise by walking away, when you reach 5 feet the wagon starts moving.

Now compare the two, in situation 2 it takes you less time to start moving the wagon by just adjusting the rope and making it smaller
you are doing no more work either

is that a better explanation?

He's not actually talking about keeping the plate open more at idle. It's really just a problem with his car that he decided to fix with zip ties. :roll2:

[Cleaner13]

its not really a problem, obviously you guys dont get the idea, but it doesnt matter, Im selling the car so...

[evlhamstr]

no i want to know how to do it because i have a lot of slack in the line and i get delay on my acceleration too..... these ****ers just have newer cars :)

[Bjornboy81]

There is a better way of fixing the problem then zip tying it...it's called doing it correctly!!! ;)

[evlhamstr]

well then smart ass how!!!!

[Bjornboy81]

better than being a dumbass!!!

If you ask nicely I might find out for you :D

[evlhamstr]

paul will you please tell me how to properly fix my problem :)

[Bjornboy81]

Good boy. I'll take a look at mine, and let you know tomorrow. :D

[Old Guy]

Oh....I thought this was a thread to list your cheapest mod.....

Originally posted by Colin
:nothing:

Damn....and I was just beginning to enjoy myself. ;)

Okay....The Old Guy's Tip of the Week:


If you want more and colder air in your engine compartment all you have to do is raise the back of the hood a couple of inches.

Tools needed:

1 - 6' 2X4

1. Open hood
2. Place 2X4 at the rear of the hood by the hinges.
3. Slam hood down as hard as you can.
4. Open hood
5. Remove 2 X 4 and sell it on eBay with instructions for use.

This will raise the back of hood 2 to 4 inches depending on which way you place the 2 X 4 allowing more air to flow through the engine compartment. :)


Oh....BTW. The first guy with the zip tie thing. Maybe your throttle cable is streched out. There should be a nut to adjust the slack on it. I can't look because I don't have my GA anymore, but the 3800 in my Buick has one.

[evlhamstr]

wow old guy thats a great mod.... i tried it but i only got like 1 inch.... im gunna go try it som emore.... ill post pictures late :)

[Cleaner13]

Originally posted by Old Guy
Oh....I thought this was a thread to list your cheapest mod.....



Damn....and I was just beginning to enjoy myself. ;)

Okay....The Old Guy's Tip of the Week:


If you want more and colder air in your engine compartment all you have to do is raise the back of the hood a couple of inches.

Tools needed:

1 - 6' 2X4

1. Open hood
2. Place 2X4 at the rear of the hood by the hinges.
3. Slam hood down as hard as you can.
4. Open hood
5. Remove 2 X 4 and sell it on eBay with instructions for use.

This will raise the back of hood 2 to 4 inches depending on which way you place the 2 X 4 allowing more air to flow through the engine compartment. :)


Oh....BTW. The first guy with the zip tie thing. Maybe your throttle cable is streched out. There should be a nut to adjust the slack on it. I can't look because I don't have my GA anymore, but the 3800 in my Buick has one.

thats what I was thinking, however I cant find anyway to adjust the cable.....
by the way I tried your mod and whoa.... I must of picked up atleast 10hp, and got cowl induction hood at almost no cost..

[evlhamstr]

i dont think the 92 - 95's have an adjustment on theirs

[Old Guy]

I never noticed the year of his car. I would say at that age it's a stretched cable. I would just replace it.

Originally posted by Cleaner13

by the way I tried your mod and whoa.... I must of picked up atleast 10hp, and got cowl induction hood at almost no cost..

That's why they keep me around. Glad I could help!! :)

[evlhamstr]

why buy something new when you can use a zip tie to fix it!?

[Brandon]

a 2x4 will only get you 1.5"-3.5" if you really want to get closer numbers :-P sorry! just had too lol (hey, i have to show something for this architectural degree i am so close to having!)

[Fastlanev6]

Originally posted by evlhamstr
why buy something new when you can use a zip tie to fix it!?

1. because a zip tie may not last long
2. it looks ghetto
3. everyone else says so ;-)

[Bjornboy81]

:horse:

[evlhamstr]

Originally posted by Fastlanev6
1. because a zip tie may not last long
2. it looks ghetto
3. everyone else says so ;-)

its under the hood no on eowuld see it, my engine isnt prettye nought to show off

[Fastlanev6]

well if you want to do the zip tie mod, go for it. Noone on here is going to stop you from doing it. You asked for opinions, and you got them. The rest is now up to you :P

Polish up that engine....make it nice and shiny!

[ChevelleSSLS6]

basically the zip ties take up the slack in the stretched throttle cable. end of story.