Test drove a new 2003 Grand Prix GTP [Archive]

XtremeGrandAm

03-24-2003, 05:10 PM

I dont know what to say I was driving past Ed Martin Pontiac and I saw something out front and I was like what is that...And it was the new Grand Prix's they had them in. So I stoped in and test drive a loaded GTP. I must say the new body style and interior are very pleasing I was very impressed and they had one on the lot for just a little over 23K of course it was just a GT not the supercharged version but still thats better then getting a fully loaded Grand Am GT.

I dont really feel like writting a long review of the car but it was very impressive the transmission was smooth the new tap shift feature what outstanding finally control of the supercharged engine it may not be a manual but it was just as good.

If anyone has any questions about how it was I would be glad to answer.

Brad97GS

03-24-2003, 05:28 PM

You mean a 2004, right? :) I should go test drive one sometime...just for kicks.

XtremeGrandAm

03-24-2003, 06:52 PM

uh yes I do..:lol: (I edited my post, I didnt even notice that)you really shoud go test drive it its pretty fun

MJE95GAGT

03-24-2003, 07:32 PM

do you happen to know where the fuel cut off is at?

Mike Reyna

03-24-2003, 08:25 PM

The new Grand Prix is supposed to be a "mile stone" car for GM if you will. Body gaps are much tighter, way better materials are used inside (finally doing away with the cheap plastic), slightly more power, and of course a new design. I have to go and check one out. Too bad it doesn't come in 2 door (I think?). :)

Brad97GS

03-24-2003, 08:59 PM

Nope, no two door available. I guess I don't mind though...after owning the Regal for more than a year, I'm starting to like this "four door" thing. :)

XtremeGrandAm

03-24-2003, 09:08 PM

Yeah there is no 2 door but really I like having 4 doors now. Going from my 3 door coupe saturn to my 4 door sedan GA i would keep the 4 doors. As far as the quality of the interior very good nothing like the former GP. I am extremly impressed. And the body does seem to flow very well and gaps arent noticeable. I do not know when the fuel cutoff is. Since im only 19 I dont drive the cars that fast when someone is with me.....It might give them a heart attack

Saber69

03-24-2003, 09:48 PM

Ok I might be wrong, but I thought only the GTP Comp G's got the manumatic shifting on the steering wheel. That would rock if was still an option on the GT!! I am soooo in love with the new Grand Prix's. General Motors has BIG plans for Pontiac. They want to be looked at as the new American BMW's. They have come light years ahead in build quality and materials. I really want to see the new Grand Am's and what they have instore for them.

XtremeGrandAm

03-24-2003, 09:52 PM

Originally posted by Saber69
Ok I might be wrong, but I thought only the GTP Comp G's got the manumatic shifting on the steering wheel. That would rock if was still an option on the GT!! I am soooo in love with the new Grand Prix's. General Motors has BIG plans for Pontiac. They want to be looked at as the new American BMW's. They have come light years ahead in build quality and materials. I really want to see the new Grand Am's and what they have instore for them. The new Grand Am should be extremly exciting I know im planning on replacing my current one with one of the new hardtop convertible models.

Your comment about the tapshift feature it isnt on the GT's(like you thought) only the GTP thats what I test drove I didnt test drive a GT I only commented on the price of the GT which was 23K I thought it was a great value.

Mike Reyna

03-24-2003, 11:54 PM

Originally posted by Saber69
They want to be looked at as the new American BMW's.

I doubt it would compare to BMW. However you are right about the materials and build quality. It's starting to get WAY better...starting with the new GP. Thanks to Bob Lutz...even the next Corvette will have materials that rival a Mercedes. Pretty cool (and it's about time!) lol

Vintalage

03-25-2003, 12:47 AM

so what were the goodies inside the car? How was the Hud? Etc.

XtremeGrandAm

03-25-2003, 12:57 AM

tomorrow i will have to write everything down I didnt mess with the HUD but the guy was talking about it. I think the biggest thing was that tapshift feature this better make its way into the other cars (bonneville, grand am)

GA1999

03-25-2003, 09:11 AM

The GTO will be out soon. 5.7L 350 and best of all.......REAR WHEEL DRIVE!!!! Finally, a GM car that will be easy to work on.

Night Wolf

03-25-2003, 02:12 PM

They want to be looked at as the new American BMW's

no, that's Caddy :D

XtremeGrandAm

03-25-2003, 03:52 PM

Originally posted by GA1999
The GTO will be out soon. 5.7L 350 and best of all.......REAR WHEEL DRIVE!!!! Finally, a GM car that will be easy to work on.
The GTO is more than the Grand Prix it will probably be even more than the GTP. Which I couldnt afford a GTP if i wanted to. I would probaly go with a Grand Prix GT1 or GT2. But I agree for those people that have the money the GTO would be a better performance car

Vintalage

03-25-2003, 05:27 PM

The other day, I had to go to my dealer and I saw the new '04 Grand Prix. It was a GTP and was black. All I got to see was the front end. It had red calipers on the rotors. And today, I went to another Pontiac dealer and saw another '04 Grand Prix. It was silver and was the GT model. The rear end looks horrible (or to put it nicely, not appealing).

XtremeGrandAm

03-25-2003, 06:29 PM

yeah I am not sure about that rear end I want to see it out on the road before i make my final opinion of it

Vintalage

03-25-2003, 06:47 PM

Ah, here is what I am talking about. I thought it was a dealer modification, but this Grand Prix has the red calipers too. No rear end shot though. The tap shift is a nice addition to this car and was long overdue. I prefer using the shifter though. Makes you feel like your using a manual shifter. This tap shift method means you have to have both hands on the wheel. The gear shift method means one hand on the wheel, one hand on the shifter. I always rest my hand on the shifter, auto or not. So tap shift would be awkward.

http://images.getauto.com/vehicles/2G2W/2G2WR524541104978-a.jpg

This is a GTP

Vintalage

03-25-2003, 06:54 PM

Another:

http://images.getauto.com/vehicles/2G2W/2G2WP522441105897-a.jpg

This is a GT

Looks kinda plain and boring. Nothing going on like the grand am or even the last gen Grand Prix. It does look sleek.

Vintalage

03-26-2003, 09:29 AM

One thing I do like is the blacked out trim around the headlights.

How was the performance of the car? One thing I don't understand is why there is no auto climate control system available. For a car this expensive, it should be in there. It was in the '98-'00 models. But then it was not available for 2001-2003.

sunrunner_pei

03-26-2003, 09:32 AM

At first glance I don't care for the new look. I'm sure it'll grow on me though. Hell, I didn't like the GA when it first came out either. :)

BlackThorn

03-26-2003, 09:57 AM

Originally posted by sunrunner_pei
At first glance I don't care for the new look. I'm sure it'll grow on me though. Hell, I didn't like the GA when it first came out either. :) :agree:

XtremeGrandAm

03-26-2003, 10:13 AM

Originally posted by Vintalage
One thing I do like is the blacked out trim around the headlights.

How was the performance of the car? One thing I don't understand is why there is no auto climate control system available. For a car this expensive, it should be in there. It was in the '98-'00 models. But then it was not available for 2001-2003.

The performance was great now given I have never driven in the past GTP so I really cant compare it to the last one(. But I enjoyed the test drive I'm going to test drive a GT1 on Friday when my car is getting fixed because thats what I would buy if I decided to get one.

I also did notice the painted calipers which all models had them the GTP had red. I think thats good that they are going that at the factory because i hate when the rust and look like crap i always paint mine. Someone needs to go check out the rotors they seem different then the other rotors I have seen on other GM cars. But I dont know anything about rotors to be able to know wheter its just because they were new or if they are actually different material.

As far as the comment that the new GP is plain I agree but its aggresive and better than the last GP. I still like the styling of my GA better.

Night Wolf

03-26-2003, 02:12 PM

Originally posted by Vintalage
One thing I do like is the blacked out trim around the headlights.

How was the performance of the car? One thing I don't understand is why there is no auto climate control system available. For a car this expensive, it should be in there. It was in the '98-'00 models. But then it was not available for 2001-2003.

actually it was even in '97, when the new style came out

The reson for change, was the auto control (dual climate control) unit was very prone to braking, when my father first got his car (like 14months now, it came off a 3year lease) the unit would never remember any values or anything, so it was still under warrantee, but they are like $600 to replace, and people were complaing that when they broke it got real expensive.

Atleast that is what I have heard from a few sources, I agree the '01+ with the analog contrl is just very ugly

Vintalage

03-26-2003, 07:39 PM

yes, i know the grand prix came out in '97, but the auto climate control wasn't available until '98. It was discontinued after 2000 because of all the problems it had and Gm decontenting. The grand prix has been refreshed for '04. It could have simply got the new climate control system from the bonneville. I just don't get it.

XtremeGrandAm

03-26-2003, 07:43 PM

GM still has problems with their auto climate control system the one that is used in the saturn L300 and LW300 has been plagued with problems the first year it was available they discountinued if for a production season and they still havent gotten it right

Vintalage

04-10-2003, 08:57 AM

here are some detailed pics of the car:

http://carad0.ipixmedia.com/abc/carad/4748x656860/656860-04012003192024-15_L.JPG

http://carad0.ipixmedia.com/abc/carad/4748x656860/656860-04012003192024-11_L.JPG

http://carad0.ipixmedia.com/abc/carad/4748x656860/656860-04012003192024-23_L.JPG

http://carad0.ipixmedia.com/abc/carad/4748x656860/656860-04012003192024-34_L.JPG

http://carad0.ipixmedia.com/abc/carad/4748x656860/656860-04012003192024-26_L.JPG

http://carad0.ipixmedia.com/abc/carad/4748x656860/656860-04012003192024-24_L.JPG

Vintalage

04-10-2003, 09:00 AM

http://carad0.ipixmedia.com/abc/carad/4748x656860/656860-04012003192024-4_L.JPG

http://carad0.ipixmedia.com/abc/carad/4748x656860/656860-04012003192024-3_L.JPG

http://carad0.ipixmedia.com/abc/carad/4748x656860/656860-04012003192024-6_L.JPG

http://carad0.ipixmedia.com/abc/carad/4748x656860/656860-04012003192024-5_L.JPG

http://carad0.ipixmedia.com/abc/carad/4748x656860/656860-04012003192024-8_L.JPG

http://carad0.ipixmedia.com/abc/carad/4748x656860/656860-04012003192024-2_L.JPG

you can find the rest of the pics on ebay here:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2409899054&category=6422

GA1999

04-10-2003, 09:34 AM

Can't say I care for that at all. The front end looks way too similar to a Chrysler Sebring.....and the rear taillamps look as if they stole them off a Sunfire. The interior is too boxy in design, steering wheel controls look very confusing to operate, and the HVAC and radio control panels look cheap and boring. The interior needs some burled walnut and some curves to break up the monotany. Just my $.02

BLKSCT03

04-10-2003, 11:30 AM

I got to Drive the 04 GP GTP and the power of that thing was amazing. it drove great the inside was really nice. The only things i didn't like were that the fog lights were way to big and i agree about the back end and the fact that it say Grand Prix GTP in really really really small letters on the back and that is the only place it says gtp.

TEAM_AED

04-10-2003, 12:35 PM

I saw one this weekend while I was shopping for a new car with my buddy. Black GTP!!!! The exhaust tips are sweet as hell!! Full leather sunroof. The only think I didnt like was there was WAYYYY toooo many air conditioning vents. There was 4 just for passenger. Good for AZ I guess, but it looked a bit funny. But the car looks ALOT better and way more agressive than the older GP body style. I loved it. A fully loaded GTP at that dealership, was $31,000

Vintalage

04-10-2003, 12:42 PM

Originally posted by TEAM_AED
I saw one this weekend while I was shopping for a new car with my buddy. Black GTP!!!! The exhaust tips are sweet as hell!! Full leather sunroof. The only think I didnt like was there was WAYYYY toooo many air conditioning vents. There was 4 just for passenger. Good for AZ I guess, but it looked a bit funny. But the car looks ALOT better and way more agressive than the older GP body style. I loved it. A fully loaded GTP at that dealership, was $31,000

$31,000??? Fully Loaded??? I'll gladly pass. Not worth the money.

XtremeGrandAm

04-10-2003, 01:43 PM

Yeah the GTP isnt cheap. I would be happy with the lower models which I think are a good price I would probably go with a GT-1. I love the interior on them. I wish my GA had an interior of that quality. But maybe the future one will

SC/TGrandAm

04-11-2003, 12:49 AM

Originally posted by Saber69
They want to be looked at as the new American BMW's.

HAHAH they got along ways to go then. My mom has an 02 BMW and id take that thing any day over these ugly GTPs or any Pontiac for that matter. The difference between a Grand Prix and a BMW is night and day.

gotzaGA

04-11-2003, 01:18 AM

the four air vents might look funny, but thats acually a throw back from the eighties models, they had a simular setup with the vents, i agree the style will take some time getting used too, but what do you think people thought when pontiac made the second and third gen firebirds, ya know. we'll get used to it, and by the way pontiac better bring out the grand am gxp to production with that 275hp motor, cause im planning right now on getting a sc/t this fall, and ill be pissed if they do come out with the gxp next year.
p.s. we live in America so we should support our country and buy American made cars, not these crap rice burners or over priced european jobs.

02GARacer

04-11-2003, 02:18 AM

Nice i test drive the 2.4 SE 2003, its ok a bit slow though

and i test drove a 3.4 GT1 Very nice

Saber69

04-11-2003, 07:52 AM

Originally posted by SC/TGrandAm
HAHAH they got along ways to go then. My mom has an 02 BMW and id take that thing any day over these ugly GTPs or any Pontiac for that matter. The difference between a Grand Prix and a BMW is night and day.

OK, well, no fooling!! I didn't say that the new Pontiacs ARE as good, in any department, as a BMW. I said that GM wanted to get them to that point. And as far as these being "ugly GTPs" or any other Pontiac for that matter...what do you drive? So why don't you have a BMW then?? If your Mom has a '02, then I think you could have sprung for a used BMW at least. Anyway, those are just my thoughts. Personally I think the new GP looks amazing. It's clean, sleak, and they got rid of those freaking plastic, cheap looking body cladding. So far I haven't met a person who didn't like it over the last generation. Well, either way you look at it, one thing you can't put down is it's performance. It will run rings around any generation W-body and has a great platform to expand on.

XtremeGrandAm

04-11-2003, 10:17 AM

Originally posted by Saber69
OK, well, no fooling!! I didn't say that the new Pontiacs ARE as good, in any department, as a BMW. I said that GM wanted to get them to that point. And as far as these being "ugly GTPs" or any other Pontiac for that matter...what do you drive? So why don't you have a BMW then?? If your Mom has a '02, then I think you could have sprung for a used BMW at least. Anyway, those are just my thoughts. Personally I think the new GP looks amazing. It's clean, sleak, and they got rid of those freaking plastic, cheap looking body cladding. So far I haven't met a person who didn't like it over the last generation. Well, either way you look at it, one thing you can't put down is it's performance. It will run rings around any generation W-body and has a great platform to expand on.
I agree with you 100%. About the car and the comments made in the post calling the GP ugly. And just like you said if he doesnt like his pontiac so much then why not get something else :rolleyes:

Vintalage

04-11-2003, 11:33 AM

There are some parts of this car that I don't like which is why I would not buy it. Here are my reasons:

- I don't like the way the interior door panels are shaped and how the controls swoop up.

- The rear end I can't get over. It just doesn't look as good as the last GP. Very odd looking.

- The radio/hvac area is simply a box. It's boring looking. It doesn't flow with the design and looks poorly assembled. You can see the gaps between the radio, the hvac, the storage piece, and the area around these items. Looks real cheap.

- For $31,000 Loaded, Auto climate control should be standard. No excuse. Could simply dump the auto climate control found in the bonneville into the new grand prix.

- Why is the tweeter mounted so low next to the mid-range speaker? On the old model, it was mounted at ear level on the sails. When mounted this low, a passenger's leg and even the driver's leg could block the highs and the sound would be muffled and weird. Dumb move.

- Tap shift is good an all, but it looks like it would require both hands on the wheel to operate. I prefer the manual effect you get with automatics with manual shift points through the gear shift. Plus you don't have to have both hands on the wheel.

- Where's the odometer? Don't tell me it's in the driver info center.

- No navigation available. I just don't understand how the Vibe can get navigation and this car and bonneville does not. :???:

- Don't like the foglight/turnsignal combo.

- Steering wheel has a weird design.

I should support my country by buying American? I don't think that way when buying cars. I have to keep an open mind and look at every manufactuer's offerings. I like a lot of import cars. I'm curious as to what the next Acura TL is going to look like. I saw some blurry shots of the car and it looks good to me from what I could make out. Though it was a concept so it's no surprise.

SC/TGrandAm

04-11-2003, 12:10 PM

Originally posted by Saber69
OK, well, no fooling!! I didn't say that the new Pontiacs ARE as good, in any department, as a BMW. I said that GM wanted to get them to that point. And as far as these being "ugly GTPs" or any other Pontiac for that matter...what do you drive? So why don't you have a BMW then?? If your Mom has a '02, then I think you could have sprung for a used BMW at least. Anyway, those are just my thoughts. Personally I think the new GP looks amazing. It's clean, sleak, and they got rid of those freaking plastic, cheap looking body cladding. So far I haven't met a person who didn't like it over the last generation. Well, either way you look at it, one thing you can't put down is it's performance. It will run rings around any generation W-body and has a great platform to expand on.

well then they have along ways to go. Yeah they are Ugly i think the new GPs are uglier than sin but thats my opinion. I drive a pontiac but its not as ugly as the new GP IMO. And i said BMW's are miles ahead of pontiacs, but so are bentleys, land rovers, escalades, and blah blah. Does that mean i can afford one? NO
Ill buy a BMW when i can afford a brand new one, i dont want a used one. Until then im stuck with a Pontiac....

XtremeGrandAm

04-11-2003, 12:43 PM

I agree SCT that bmw is better but they also cost a ton more than a pontiac. With the cost you get quality. GM is run by the bean counters that try to come up with the cheapest way of doing anything. Cheap materials have plagued GM since day one. And yes they still have a long way to go. But when looking at the GP compaired to the former one they are making progress.

Vintalage- your concerns are valid. I'm not sure whats up with the back end either...I think its interesting but weird is another word I would use too. I think it will grow on me. I saturn L-Series which is priced from 18K-24K has auto climate control. I'm not quite sure what they were thinking either. A car of that class should have it standard. So I agree. As far as the price for the GTP I agree They have them for 30,170$ here fully loaded but yet thats still more than I would pay for it. But with that aside. What about the other models of the GP there is the GT GT1 and GT2 the GT2 fully loaded is 27.7K and then you still have lower models also.The interior is a little plain but I think it looks pretty good I would have liked it to be a little more sport a little less foriegn like but whatever...

I also dont but the whole I have to by American cars to support my country I use to think that way. I know we have all domestic cars im my family and they have had quite a few problems. And then I know friends who have accords that have had none. It makes me wonder if I made a bad choice. I know that GM will not be the first place I go looking for a new car when its time.(since every new Gm car I have gotten has been fairly bad) I'm starting at Honda then Acura and going from there. And I will make my decision on the car itself not pressure to by domestic products.

Vintalage

04-11-2003, 01:12 PM

Oh, and I just noticed after one of the Grand Prix owners brought it up on another board. The 2001-2003 models had dual climate control (driver sets own temperature, passenger sets own temperature), 2004 Grand Prix does not. Decontenting.

The GT1/GT2 looks like the better value.

XtremeGrandAm

04-11-2003, 02:00 PM

Originally posted by Vintalage
Oh, and I just noticed after one of the Grand Prix owners brought it up on another board. The 2001-2003 models had dual temputure control (driver sets own temperature, passenger sets own temperature), 2004 Grand Prix does not. Decontenting.

The GT1/GT2 looks like the better value.
Yeah I love when they do that I didnt even notice that either.....I personally like dual climate control wish the GA had it. I also agree the GT1&GT2 are a better value I would never purchase a GTP except maybe used in a few years

gotzaGA

04-12-2003, 12:24 AM

i guess what im not getting here is why we are even talking about imports on a Grand Am themed message board, i can see the GP, but not imports. but hey when you guys get your imports, give me your addy, and ill send you your very first tank of rice for it.

Vintalage

04-12-2003, 12:27 AM

Saber69

04-12-2003, 07:00 AM

Originally posted by gotzaGA
i guess what im not getting here is why we are even talking about imports on a Grand Am themed message board, i can see the GP, but not imports. but hey when you guys get your imports, give me your addy, and ill send you your very first tank of rice for it.

OK, WHAT?! I'm confused here. Last time I checked BMW's ran on saurkraut, frankfurters, and streudels. :) hehe Oh, and we have always been free to talk about whatever car related topic we choose. I love my Grand Am, but I appreciate the benefits and downfalls of all other auto makes, models, and lines. :)

XtremeGrandAm

04-15-2003, 04:48 PM

I know there has been a negative response to the pricing of the fully loaded GTP so I wanted to post the base prices of all models instead of everyone talking about the fully loaded models that have been at the dealerships.

Specs GT1 $22,395
• Next-generation WideTrack Handling System
• 200-hp, 230 lb-ft torque, 3.8 liter V6 engine with Electronic Throttle Control
• Near 90-degree opening rear doors
• 60/40 split-folding rear seatbacks
• Dual-stage air bags**
• Power windows, mirrors and door locks
• Driver Information Center
• AM/FM stereo with CD player, equalizer,
and 6 speakers
• Remote keyless entry and more
• EPA Mileage Estimates***
20 / 30 (City/Highway mpg)

GT2 $24,295
Standard features includes GT1 standard
features plus:
• Folding front passenger seat
• 4 wheel antilock disc brakes with Enhanced Traction System
• Magnasteer I variable-effort power steering
• 6-way power driver's seat
• Leather-wrapped steering wheel with radio controls
• 16" aluminum wheels and more
• EPA Mileage Estimates***
20 / 30 (City/Highway mpg)

GTP $26,495
Standard features includes GT2 standard
features plus:
• 260-hp, 280 lb-ft torque Supercharged V6
engine with Electronic Throttle Control
• 17" aluminum, silver-painted wheels with
P225/55-R17 H-rated touring tires
• Full-Function Traction Control System
• OnStar with one-year Safe & Sound Plan†
and more
• EPA Mileage Estimates***
18 / 28 (City/Highway mpg)

GTP Competition Package $27,890
• Specific suspension tuning
• TAPshift, InfoTech Package
• StabiliTrak Sport
• Magnasteer II
• P225/55-R17 V-rated performance tires
• 17" 10-spoke lightweight aluminum machine-finished wheels
• Red-painted brake calipers
• 3.29 axle ratio
• EPA Mileage Estimates***
18 / 27 (City/Highway mpg)

D.L.P.J.

04-16-2003, 08:08 PM

I like the new GP but not as much as I thought I would. I was going to wait and buy that but I really like my 2k3 GT1 better.
The new GP has a little more room and a little nicer interior but it does not look as stylish outside as the GA GT. With all the upgrades I plan to do to my car it will still be cheaper and perform almost as well as the GP. My next car will problably be a GTO, but as I look at the front end of that car it really reminds you of the previous gen. GP. I just noticed you are only a 4cylinder owner, if you had the ram air six I think you would like your own car better.

XtremeGrandAm

04-16-2003, 08:32 PM

Originally posted by D.L.P.J.
I like the new GP but not as much as I thought I would. I was going to wait and buy that but I really like my 2k3 GT1 better.
The new GP has a little more room and a little nicer interior but it does not look as stylish outside as the GA GT. With all the upgrades I plan to do to my car it will still be cheaper and perform almost as well as the GP. My next car will problably be a GTO, but as I look at the front end of that car it really reminds you of the previous gen. GP. I just noticed you are only a 4cylinder owner, if you had the ram air six I think you would like your own car better. I agree I like my GA better for the most part. At least on exterior styling I do

D.L.P.J.

04-16-2003, 08:39 PM

You should hand your car keys back to wherever you bought your car, you are not worthy. I am a car buff and know the good and bad of all cars, and there is alot more good about grand ams than bad. If GM put 5 to 7 thousand dollars more into the car it would not only be cheaper than a 3 series which I love and most other bimmers, but it would be a better car! What other car has the room, style, handling, and performance, and finally price of a Grand Am? Ford doesn't, Chrysler doesn't, Toyota doesn't, neither do Honda, or Nissan. The quality of Grand Am has improved to near Japan levels as well. People don't have to settle for crap anymore with so many good brands out there. Hell even Hyundai has decent cars now. I have a 2k3 Black GT1 and it gets looks from people in much more expensive cars! So get to love your car and Shut Up! If you dislike your car and Pontiac so much why did you even join this club?????? Go and buy a Civic or a Focus and get the Hell out of here!!! Only Germany has better cars in the subcompact sport sedan class and the Grand Am has grown to almost midsize levels while keeping the price reasonable, and now there is sufficient aftermarket support to improve the driving dynamics and performance even higher.:chair: :chair:

XtremeGrandAm

04-16-2003, 08:50 PM

D.L.P.J- everyone has their own opinion. I agree with you that the Grand Am is a better value. But we need to respect other peoples opinions.

On another note as a moderator I need to ask you to calmn down and please be respectful towards other members.

D.L.P.J.

04-16-2003, 08:55 PM

I thought that was very intelligent and eye opening without profanity. What should I have not said?

XtremeGrandAm

04-16-2003, 08:59 PM

Originally posted by D.L.P.J.
I thought that was very intelligent and eye opening without profanity. What should I have not said?
lol. Most of it was fine till you went onto the subject of why dont you buy a honda ect......

But I hear what you are saying I have the same opinion if you dont like your car so much why own one and make comments on the board here.

Oh and thank you for not using profanity

Vintalage

04-16-2003, 09:32 PM

D.L.P.J. , he feels the way he does because of the many problems he has experienced, one that caused him to crash his car. Now tell me why he should not be angry after something so important as the power steering fails in an emergency (power steering was it?). It shouldn't happen. Even after all this, he still likes the car. He doesn't like the problems it is giving him, however.

I can't understand why your bashing him because he feels the way he does about his car. Don't want to start a flame war over this, i'm just lost. :???:

gotzaGA

04-16-2003, 10:28 PM

american cars, german cars, all made in mexico. my point being is that any and every car can have their problems, hell my g/f's step dad swears by honda but that same honda has lost braking power three times and almost killed my g/f's mom twice. every car is going to have problems, my cousin has a brand new m3 bmw and it has problems too. i dont know, you all could wrap your cars around trees tomorrow and you wount have to worry about them anymore, ya know? oh well..................

XtremeGrandAm

04-17-2003, 02:08 AM

Originally posted by Vintalage
D.L.P.J. , he feels the way he does because of the many problems he has experienced, one that caused him to crash his car. Now tell me why he should not be angry after something so important as the power steering fails in an emergency (power steering was it?). It shouldn't happen. Even after all this, he still likes the car. He doesn't like the problems it is giving him, however.

I can't understand why your bashing him because he feels the way he does about his car. Don't want to start a flame war over this, i'm just lost. :???:
Hey we arent talking about me. I'm pissed about my car its a piece of **** but I love the Grand Am in general (just not my grand am if that makes sense).

I believe he was talking about a post earlier in the thread by SC/T GrandAm and his comments about how much better bmw is than pontiac. But thanks for sticking up for me.

It was the power steering that went out on my car.

Vintalage

04-17-2003, 09:52 AM

oh...doh. I thought it was you since D.L.P.J. didn't mention a name and it followed right after your post. Well like you said, everyone is entiltled to their own opinion. Still no need for bashing.

D.L.P.J.

04-17-2003, 01:03 PM

Ok Vintalage I will agree with the no bashing, just tell SC/TGrandAm to bash his own car and not ours, I have had 4 Pontiacs now and have not really experienced any difficulties out of any of them and I drive alot on trips and etc.. My mother has had 4 Bonneville SSEi's in a row since 88 and only one had trouble and that was due to a major frontal collision that was close to totalling the car. SC/T should know that us being in this club means we like our cars more than most, and there is a difference between being angry with problems on your car versus slamming the whole Brand!!;)

XtremeGrandAm

04-17-2003, 02:31 PM

Originally posted by D.L.P.J.
Ok Vintalage I will agree with the no bashing, just tell SC/TGrandAm to bash his own car and not ours, I have had 4 Pontiacs now and have not really experienced any difficulties out of any of them and I drive alot on trips and etc.. My mother has had 4 Bonneville SSEi's in a row since 88 and only one had trouble and that was due to a major frontal collision that was close to totalling the car. SC/T should know that us being in this club means we like our cars more than most, and there is a difference between being angry with problems on your car versus slamming the whole Brand!!;)
Exactly you have hit the nail on the head. I couldnt agree more. Its just like my current situation. I hate my car. I could care less of what happends to it anymore. But I love pontiac and the grand am (thats why I started my own site and my own board about them) So I agree here isnt the place to be doing that

Prospeeder

06-15-2004, 09:16 PM

my friend just got one, GT, its really fast, hits 100+ and you dont even have to floor it, just like half way press the peddle, sorry if some people read my last comment, his mom said she was flooring it, but she was joking, she told me today! i was relived, shes a lead foot and needed a new car instead of a 2.4L GASE, got a GPGT 3.8L

AznGA

06-15-2004, 11:15 PM

My friend has 04 GP GT2. I like his car. I wouldn't mind owning a GT, because GTP is $$.

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07-05-2004, 06:27 PM

Had a chance last month to drive a new GXP..... triple white gold pearl... Holy crap. Damn thing is quick.. But didnt get to open it up.. to crowded of streets. But you can feel it.. Northstar V8....like going from a sunfire to a GTP.

navybluese00

07-06-2004, 10:41 AM

I test drove the new GP also. I test drove a loaded GT2, and I had a chance to view the heads up display, which was awesome. The exhaust note on this car is really cool. There's a sweet growl to the exhaust that is pleasant to the ear, but not tiring, or too loud inside. I loved it.

Prospeeder

08-08-2004, 01:58 AM

i dont like the back of the 04 GPs, my friends mom has a silver one, and that ugly black strip on the back is so freakin ugly! why the heck did pontiac put that there!!

Brandon

02-01-2005, 11:04 PM

(was going to get a 04 GTP Comp G Gray Stone Metallic) but. I'm not a tall guy... maybe taller then some, but 5'11" I can not fit into that car comfortably. My head has to lean over towards the passanger's side to avoid hitting the ceiling (yes the seat was lowered) knees hitting the stearing wheel... something about it just isnt right... the back end is not happening either. but the tap shift/tranny/s-c still would like to have it, but ARGGHHH!!!! lol