Pontiac Solstice 2.0-liter supercharged!!

[Rayz]

FYI
GM confirmed to AutoWeek that the company will offer a 2.0-liter supercharged engine in both the Pontiac Solstice and upcoming Saturn Sky, not a turbocharged mill as had been expected. The move confirms speculation that a GT or GXP model Solstice would emerge with in a year of the base model’s introduction, though irrational optimists who were waiting to hear the roadsters would get a small-block V8 option will likely have to adjust their happy-pill dosage. The supercharged version will reportedly be offered for the 2007 model year.

[Trevlya006]

oh great... another crappy 2.0.... maybe this one will develope more than 10psi...
they made a big deal about putting the FR 2.4 in there.. and now they are going to switch it back to the 2.0....

HMM..
i think that GM needs to step it up and turbo that 2.4 or the 2.2....

if they decided to do it in 2007, super charge yet again the same 2.0, people with the SS cobalts are going to start getting mad because why not make that car a RWD supercharged car..

so GM made a big mistake, styling the SS with the wing like its supposed to be RWD and its front. the solstice with the 2.4 fits great under the hood, now they are going to make it smaller, probably keep it RWD, who knows with them, and jack the price up.

thanks for the info, lets see if it really happens..

are they going to make yet another option for the cobalt? is there going to be a colbalt SS-R for RWD 2.0's?

i work for a chevy dealer, so things ought to get interesting!!

[jayhawk]

Once again, the American attitude of "bigger is better" comes shining through. :shake:

You see, right now the 2.0 liter Ecotec is used for all forced induction vehicles worldwide, so it makes sense to utilize these then some one-off engine that would be used in limited quanites.

[DontPassTheFence]

they will not and CAN not change the drivetrain of that car, the platform it is based on is a solely reardrive platform. so the solstice will stay FR. and the 2.0L s/c-ed engine makes the most sense. Id much rather see a 2.0L engine make a flat torque curve and decent horsepower (remember real cars usually have as much or more torque than hp) - then ill be more than happy. A true drivers car. I cant wait to test drive one :D

[TA^Guy]

As I have been speculating all along. All these claims of a turbocharged Solstice and I knew GM wouldn't put a turbo on it. Why would they when they have all these wonderful blowers to play with!
Originally posted by Trevlya006
so GM made a big mistake, styling the SS with the wing like its supposed to be RWD and its front. the solstice with the 2.4 fits great under the hood, now they are going to make it smaller, probably keep it RWD, who knows with them, and jack the price up.
Please explain what RWD has to do with a Cobolt SS? It was never meant to be RWD, and what does the 'wing' have anything to do with it?

[DontPassTheFence]

the wing on SS cobalts are for rice-appearance only. Never in a million years will any wing that looks like that function at all...
Next, the cobalt is a ricer, hence the fwd platform. GM will not change that. And yes, some cobalt owners will bitch, since the couple ive seen are whiney ricers that think their little supercharged sport compact cars are the best and fastest on the market. (not to stereotype all colbalt owners, im willing to bet a few out there dont fall victim to the stereotypical 'ricer' frame of mind)

For once the Pontiac division gets the goods, even though the 2.0L s/ced engine isnt the largest engine ever, it could be worse.
Its meant to be a small, affordable, RWD roadster that isnt too bad on gas economy.
This isnt Nissan we are talking about here, GM doesnt shove twin turbocharged inline-6 engines into any of their cars. I bet that day will never come. So if anyone really wants a larger-displacement forced induction car, I bet you shouldnt be buying a Domestic car.

On the flip-side, this little Solstice is stirring up quite the hype, I just hope the car stays true to its pre-production promises (which seldom happens with GM) and delivers one hell of a driving experience.
And lets hope they make a coupe version.
;)

[TA^Guy]

Originally posted by DontPassTheFenc
the wing on SS cobalts are for rice-appearance only. Never in a million years will any wing that looks like that function at all...
Next, the cobalt is a ricer, hence the fwd platform. GM will not change that. And yes, some cobalt owners will bitch, since the couple ive seen are whiney ricers that think their little supercharged sport compact cars are the best and fastest on the market. (not to stereotype all colbalt owners, im willing to bet a few out there dont fall victim to the stereotypical 'ricer' frame of mind)

For once the Pontiac division gets the goods, even though the 2.0L s/ced engine isnt the largest engine ever, it could be worse.
Its meant to be a small, affordable, RWD roadster that isnt too bad on gas economy.
This isnt Nissan we are talking about here, GM doesnt shove twin turbocharged inline-6 engines into any of their cars. I bet that day will never come. So if anyone really wants a larger-displacement forced induction car, I bet you shouldnt be buying a Domestic car.

On the flip-side, this little Solstice is stirring up quite the hype, I just hope the car stays true to its pre-production promises (which seldom happens with GM) and delivers one hell of a driving experience.
And lets hope they make a coupe version.
;)
Well I wouldn't call a Cobolt SS a ricer seeing as it is avaible without the huge spoiler or in boy racer terms aka 'wing'. Not to mention stock for stock it will show any GA it's tail lights.

A spoiler like that can actually be very functionalable, but will 90% of owners be able to make use of it? Nope.

My point was many people that don't know anything about aerodynamics think that FWD cars do not need downforce at the rear which is 100% false.

At 120,140, 160, or 200mph it doesnt matter if the car is FWD, RWD, AWD, or jet powered. Air still flows below the vehicle, and without use of belly pans and air ducts that air under the vehicle will create lift. Lift at these speeds is not a good thing as it will result with instability.

Since the frontal area of a vehicle usually creates enough pressure to create downforce. However there usually isn't much along the back side to equal the same amount of downforce on the front, not to mention most air below the car is trapped at the rear causing lift in the rear which opposed any positive downforce.

A stable vehicle at high speeds is usually a result of equal downforce at both end. No tenough up front and the steering will be lite and loose, not enough out back and your be fighting the wheel trying to keep the car going straight.

So anyone that thinks a FWD car doesnt need a spoiler out back try taking one to 150mph, then take one with a spoiler attached and tell me it doesnt need it.

[DontPassTheFence]

Yes, but what production FWD car travels in excess of 140mph? I am fully aware downforce is a necessity in any RACE CAR. I suppose if you were to drag race a cobalt, that wing may prove useful if you were to overcome the speed governor in that car. (unless it comes from the factory without a speed-limiting device, which I doubt severely.)

But in my honest opinion the cobalt is an amazing car, but not nearly as nice looking as the solstice. (on which you dont see a huge wing)

I was merely pointing out that the Cobalt was meant to match the WRX STI and the Lancer Evolution (both very formidable ricers) and in doing so it imitates them, thusly, appearing, in my eyes, as a ricer. Hence my conclusion the Cobalt is a 'ricer'
(my definition for 'ricer' - (n) - any car having excessive styling cues, following the style trends in import 'tuner' cars, and/or 'drift' cars.)

[Matt95GT]

Originally posted by jayhawk
Once again, the American attitude of "bigger is better" comes shining through. :shake:

You see, right now the 2.0 liter Ecotec is used for all forced induction vehicles worldwide, so it makes sense to utilize these then some one-off engine that would be used in limited quanites.

Agreed x2.

For the stock power the turbo would make, might as well use the SC and have that low-end torque too. And crappy 2.0? The LSJ comes hardened in stock form... will withstand several hundred horsepower. Want more HP (600+)... no need to touch the block... it's just about bulletproof. The blower was never meant for high boost... but is plenty for all of those who are gonna leave it stock form anyway.

Personally, my feeling is get the cheapest engine. They are all going to be Ecotec based, and therefore can be build up just the same. Install turbo. Win.

[Themeneea]

i never liked GM I4's. they always gave a weird feeling in my stomach. I hope this one is really reliable

[Matt95GT]

Originally posted by Themeneea
i never liked GM I4's. they always gave a weird feeling in my stomach. I hope this one is really reliable

Now I may be biased (based on my own personal durability experiences of owning 2 GM V6's vs 2 GM I4's) but I'd like to see raw numbers on failure rates and general reliability. I have a feeling you'd see both have similar stats, especially comparing the DOHC I4's offered in GA's vs the 60 degree V6's.

[Themeneea]

Originally posted by Matt95GT
Now I may be biased (based on my own personal durability experiences of owning 2 GM V6's vs 2 GM I4's) but I'd like to see raw numbers on failure rates and general reliability. I have a feeling you'd see both have similar stats, especially comparing the DOHC I4's offered in GA's vs the 60 degree V6's.

ya

i have no numbers or anything. its just my bias opinion. i have owned 2 I4's, and a V8 and 2 V6's. and the i4's gave more prolems then the V6.
i still have the stock LIM on the GA

[TA^Guy]

Originally posted by DontPassTheFenc
Yes, but what production FWD car travels in excess of 140mph? I am fully aware downforce is a necessity in any RACE CAR. I suppose if you were to drag race a cobalt, that wing may prove useful if you were to overcome the speed governor in that car. (unless it comes from the factory without a speed-limiting device, which I doubt severely.)

But in my honest opinion the cobalt is an amazing car, but not nearly as nice looking as the solstice. (on which you dont see a huge wing)

I was merely pointing out that the Cobalt was meant to match the WRX STI and the Lancer Evolution (both very formidable ricers) and in doing so it imitates them, thusly, appearing, in my eyes, as a ricer. Hence my conclusion the Cobalt is a 'ricer'
(my definition for 'ricer' - (n) - any car having excessive styling cues, following the style trends in import 'tuner' cars, and/or 'drift' cars.)
I'm sure without a governor there are some FWD that could get close to 140mph. As I stated the SS spoiler I believe is optional because I have seen some with the large and some with the shorter one.

I'm not sure how you can say 300hp cars like the EVO and STi are 'ricers'. Would you call a Dodge Daytona or Plymouth Superbird a ricer because Im sure the STi and EVO would smoke one of those stock for stock. Just like the Daytona and Superbird these spoiler shave to be a option in order for them to homlogate certian parts into different racing events. Remember these race breed street cars, not street cars turned racers.

Not saying that big 'wings' and crap aren't rice, but it does depends on the application and how it's applied. A factory car capible to turning nice numbers with a decant spoiler it fine by me. Seeing some dumb kid slap a $20 aluminum spoiler on the back of a 19second Eclipse with it over the roof and hanging off a foot on each side = rice.

[92CamaroRS]

a SC is nice and all, but if they ever put a V8 in it(i knwo, it will never happen) but id sell my camaro and would be taking out a loan!

[SilverGA2001]

Who was it... Mallet, that's going to make a 100 or so V8 powered Solsti (what is right plural for this car?? Solstices sounds dumb). LS2's IIRC. But i'd start saving up now... :lol:

That second post is pretty out there... Cobalt owners going to be angry because their driving FWD cars, that are supercharged to 205hp and can smoke my Pontiac hands down all day long? Hell, my next car is either a Solstice or a Cobalt.

A Cobalt SS supercharged with the wing delete option and then debadged. With an LS spoiler, it'd be a pretty good sleeper. :)

Or I'm getting a standard Solstice for the 20 grand and doing my own modifications on it, still have fun with a great car, and be happy as a clam. If I could afford the force induction version, I'd get it, but rumors are a near 30,000 price tag. That I just can't spend. Nothing much over 22,--- or roughly what my GA cost me close to 5 years ago.

[Bjornboy81]

Originally posted by Trevlya006
oh great... another crappy 2.0.... maybe this one will develope more than 10psi...
they made a big deal about putting the FR 2.4 in there.. and now they are going to switch it back to the 2.0....

Which supercharged 2.0L developes less than 10psi?

To save having to post again...the cobalt and Ion both make 12psi :)

[Themeneea]

wont having a V8 in such a tiny car cause serious understeer

[RickHigginsHtbr]

Originally posted by TA^Guy
Well I wouldn't call a Cobolt SS a ricer seeing as it is avaible without the huge spoiler or in boy racer terms aka 'wing'. Not to mention stock for stock it will show any GA it's tail lights.

A spoiler like that can actually be very functionalable, but will 90% of owners be able to make use of it? Nope.

My point was many people that don't know anything about aerodynamics think that FWD cars do not need downforce at the rear which is 100% false.

At 120,140, 160, or 200mph it doesnt matter if the car is FWD, RWD, AWD, or jet powered. Air still flows below the vehicle, and without use of belly pans and air ducts that air under the vehicle will create lift. Lift at these speeds is not a good thing as it will result with instability.

Since the frontal area of a vehicle usually creates enough pressure to create downforce. However there usually isn't much along the back side to equal the same amount of downforce on the front, not to mention most air below the car is trapped at the rear causing lift in the rear which opposed any positive downforce.

A stable vehicle at high speeds is usually a result of equal downforce at both end. No tenough up front and the steering will be lite and loose, not enough out back and your be fighting the wheel trying to keep the car going straight.

So anyone that thinks a FWD car doesnt need a spoiler out back try taking one to 150mph, then take one with a spoiler attached and tell me it doesnt need it.

Exactly why I lowered my car. 80 on the highway + high winds creates similar effects as doing 120 or more. Last fall I got real scared when a gust took me nearly 1/2 way into the next lane.... Wind got underneath me, road was goin straight, wheel stayed straight, car moved over. I lowered the car hoping this way less wind will get under there, we'll see this fall if I need to go lower than eibach's.

[RickHigginsHtbr]

Originally posted by TA^Guy
Dodge Daytona or Plymouth Superbird

SOOOO want either of those :D Out of all the car shows I go to in a year, I have still yet to see a Superbird with that huge wing, ever.

[TA^Guy]

Originally posted by xxkewlguyxx
Exactly why I lowered my car. 80 on the highway + high winds creates similar effects as doing 120 or more. Last fall I got real scared when a gust took me nearly 1/2 way into the next lane.... Wind got underneath me, road was goin straight, wheel stayed straight, car moved over. I lowered the car hoping this way less wind will get under there, we'll see this fall if I need to go lower than eibach's.
I think the combination of the factory Aerospoiler and the Eibach made my '92 Z28 extremely stable at 150mph. So stable infact I could lane change around traffic and it was as solid as 50mph. The combination of a lower center of gravity and less open frontal area opened to airflow helps improve high speed stability dramatically.

Even my lowered S10 is solid as a rock at 95mph (sorry won't go any faster until I get a power programmer) lol.
Originally posted by xxkewlguyxx
SOOOO want either of those :D Out of all the car shows I go to in a year, I have still yet to see a Superbird with that huge wing, ever. Well come down here I see them all the time. Fathers day car show on the main drag in the village I live in has two of them every year.

[92CamaroRS]

Originally posted by Themeneea
wont having a V8 in such a tiny car cause serious understeer

yea, so?

[Themeneea]

Originally posted by 92CamaroRS
yea, so?
well, thats bad

[92CamaroRS]

Originally posted by Themeneea
well, thats bad

To some.....I guess.

[DontPassTheFence]

If they put a v8 in the solstice it will throw off the near perfect weight distribution!!! (but im pretty some people dont care much for that)

I wont be able to afford a solstice until 2007-2008, damn it all. I want one nowowowowow even though I know it will have the most problems in its first couple years of production.

[92CamaroRS]

Originally posted by DontPassTheFenc
If they put a v8 in the solstice it will throw off the near perfect weight distribution!!! (but im pretty some people dont care much for that)





that car is light enough, you could put weight in the rear to bring the 50/50 distribution back and it would still be light as hell.

[Rayz]

Originally posted by Themeneea
wont having a V8 in such a tiny car cause serious understeer using a corvette transaxle should restore the balance :D

[jayhawk]

Originally posted by 92CamaroRS
that car is light enough, you could put weight in the rear to bring the 50/50 distribution back and it would still be light as hell.

No they are not! The Soltice is about 300 pounds too heavy, in my opinion.

You know what?? Just put a ****ing V8 in the ****ing car so we can live up to the American stereotype of wanting to drive as fast as ****ing possible in a straight ****ing line, which is the attitude the ****ing big 3 have, which is the ****ing reason America, unless some attitudes are reversed, will NEVER NEVER NEVER compete in the global sports car and supercar market. Listen up people! We are a JOKE to the rest of the world, insofar as sports car go, a ****ing JOKE. Get it through your thick ****ing skulls, America!

**** this. <slams door>

[Themeneea]

^ i see you watch top gear too, haha

[mitro]

Originally posted by Themeneea
^ i see you watch top gear too, haha

LOL... its just too obvious

[99GrandAMSE]

Way to go Jay!! :lol:

[jayhawk]

THERE!! You got a good ol' fashioned rant from Jay! I am the intense and passionate one, and now everyone knows how I earned this: :jay:

[SilverGA2001]

You know why we got fast in straight lines???? WE HAVE NO ****ING CURVES HERE! Every goddamn road is straight, with every friggin turn being a right angle intersection. I need a big V8 to go fast in a straight line because that's all we have here.

If you want to be with those people so goddamn bad, MOVE THERE.

*locks the door*

[99GrandAMSE]

Originally posted by jayhawk
THERE!! You got a good ol' fashioned rant from Jay! I am the intense and passionate one, and now everyone knows how I earned this: :jay:

... rant on, see if I care :)

[99GrandAMSE]

Originally posted by SilverGA2001
You know why we got fast in straight lines???? WE HAVE NO ****ING CURVES HERE! Every goddamn road is straight, with every friggin turn being a right angle intersection. I need a big V8 to go fast in a straight line because that's all we have here.

Actually, I was thinking along very similar lines to this (this part anyway) but it all depends on what side of the fence you're standing on as to exactly how inappropriate a car might be :) ... Jay, while you might be correct, it is also correct you are somewhat biased by your preference to European automobiles (nothing wrong with that, it is just the way it is) and your love for circuit style racing ... on the other hand though, I am the exact opposite and feel North American cars do "just fine" on the twists and turns since I don't really care for either European cars or the particular style of racing you like, it is all 1/4 mile and oval track to me bud (go NASCAR :D) ... not much of a point, but I felt compelled to post it :lol:

[jayhawk]

Originally posted by SilverGA2001
You know why we got fast in straight lines???? WE HAVE NO ****ING CURVES HERE! Every goddamn road is straight, with every friggin turn being a right angle intersection. I need a big V8 to go fast in a straight line because that's all we have here.

If you want to be with those people so goddamn bad, MOVE THERE.

*locks the door*


Pffft...I hopped on Mapquest, typed in Tipp City and I could find a dozen interesting roads within 50 miles. How do you think it is for me? I live in Illinois, land of the flat, and every road is based off running along farms, so they are T-square straight. If I want to drive on interesting roads I need to drive 150 miles to Western Wisconsin. And I do! Because even if the road is a scant 4 miles long, it is worth every second.

Oh, im sure someone will mention the Corvette, but its not even close to what the rest of the world can put out. Hmmm... a Lotus Elise can do mid 13's in the quarter mile, AND pull 1.03 g's on a skidpad. And it costs the same as a Corvette, AND it "only" has a rinky dinky 180 HP engine. Imagine if the big 3 followed the same adage as Colin Chapman, who realized nearly 50 years ago that to make a car perform, get rid of the weight. Make it balanced.

[DontPassTheFence]

I used to want an elise sooo badly, but i never going to be able to get my hands on one. And I am still in love with the turbo Espirit... oh man.

And on the subject of straight lines, I think it is nigh-pointless to go as fast as humanly possible in a straight line unless you happen to be driving down a perfectly straight highway and want to get off that highway as soon as possible...

[jayhawk]

Originally posted by DontPassTheFenc
I used to want an elise sooo badly, but i never going to be able to get my hands on one. And I am still in love with the turbo Espirit... oh man.

And on the subject of straight lines, I think it is nigh-pointless to go as fast as humanly possible in a straight line unless you happen to be driving down a perfectly straight highway and want to get off that highway as soon as possible...

Matt, I think its high time you take a visit to Alpine AZ and drive the Devils Highway. :D

[Rayz]

Originally posted by DontPassTheFenc
I used to want an elise sooo badly, but i never going to be able to get my hands on one. And I am still in love with the turbo Espirit... oh man.

And on the subject of straight lines, I think it is nigh-pointless to go as fast as humanly possible in a straight line unless you happen to be driving down a perfectly straight highway and want to get off that highway as soon as possible...

Matt you should look for an old Lotus Europa 1200 lbs 120 Hp

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/1103/RAYZ97/8938dd24.jpg

[SilverGA2001]

Originally posted by jayhawk
Pffft...I hopped on Mapquest, typed in Tipp City and I could find a dozen interesting roads within 50 miles. How do you think it is for me? I live in Illinois, land of the flat, and every road is based off running along farms, so they are T-square straight. If I want to drive on interesting roads I need to drive 150 miles to Western Wisconsin. And I do! Because even if the road is a scant 4 miles long, it is worth every second.


Then don't be all talk. Do it. You'll be sorely disappointed with what you see on a computer generated map.

[RickHigginsHtbr]

<---- LOVES the windy roads around the burbs of Philly.

Hell, I know Rayz lives near one of them (Sorry Ray, but I love flying down Brownsville... Shame there's too many deer). I kind of agree with Jay, I mean, yea, I love going in a straight line as fast as possible, but I also love taking a turn on a windy road 20+ MPH faster than the car behind me. My ideal car would have great handling, and also very quick.

[SilverGA2001]

Originally posted by xxkewlguyxx
<---- LOVES the windy roads around the burbs of Philly.

Hell, I know Rayz lives near one of them (Sorry Ray, but I love flying down Brownsville... Shame there's too many deer). I kind of agree with Jay, I mean, yea, I love going in a straight line as fast as possible, but I also love taking a turn on a windy road 20+ MPH faster than the car behind me. My ideal car would have great handling, and also very quick.

Don't get me wrong. My GAGT has lots of suspension upgrades, and I couldn't stand driving a stock one. But the only place I ever get to use them it seems is the ****ed up interstate exchanges here. That's possibly the only good that's ever come from a Clover leaf design, and now their tearing those out and installing long moderate ramps (which really needed to be done, because I-75 and I-70 junctions are death traps). Other then that, we have miles upon miles upon miles of straight, broken ass roads. My entire town is a big grid. The back roads beyond my town are grids. And the few fun spots there may be are patrolled because the cops aren't complete idiots. The advantage to long straight roads is I take my Firebird out to one, look 5 miles down the straight road, see no cops or other cars, and punch it til my speedometer reads 145.

[Prospeeder]

We have this really narrow windy ass road! its called salmon creek, its soo ****ing awsome, my TGP will take em pretty good, the wide tires and the Y99/FE3 suspension system keeps it pretty stable, the understeer isnt TOO bad, but its fun!

[urweak]

This was posted on quad4forums by another memeber over there

The supercharged motor will most likely get the axe late 07' and 08'. The new guy in town will prove much more potent.

-The new motor will be a 8.5:1 compression

-turbocharged ecotec

- with a *gasp* variable vein turbo pushing 12 psi.

Its a monster. They will produce 250 hp for the production version but GM will provide staged upgrades like the mopars. Depending on the final tune, it will turn around 240 hp to the wheels (heavily underrated, just like the SRT's).

-This engine has 2 liters of displacement and variable valve timing. (same system from the current 2.4 VVT).

-90% of its peak torque at 1900 RPM, with a flat torque curve all the way to redline.

There are talks of keeping the supercharged motor for competition with the RSX Type-S crowd, but most likely not. They also might keep it around to compete in certain race classes.

[92CamaroRS]

Originally posted by jayhawk
No they are not! The Soltice is about 300 pounds too heavy, in my opinion.

You know what?? Just put a ****ing V8 in the ****ing car so we can live up to the American stereotype of wanting to drive as fast as ****ing possible in a straight ****ing line, which is the attitude the ****ing big 3 have, which is the ****ing reason America, unless some attitudes are reversed, will NEVER NEVER NEVER compete in the global sports car and supercar market. Listen up people! We are a JOKE to the rest of the world, insofar as sports car go, a ****ing JOKE. Get it through your thick ****ing skulls, America!

**** this. <slams door>

Oops, look what i caused!

Sorry Jay, but its just me, im a V8 person, and are you saying, you cant have a powerful V8 powered car handle? i know you brought up the Vette but whats so bad about it? its not light? it can still pull over 1 G. which the majority of people that buy supercars will never push them that far in fear of destroying their expensive car.

[urweak]

Originally posted by 92CamaroRS
Oops, look what i caused!

Sorry Jay, but its just me, im a V8 person, and are you saying, you cant have a powerful V8 powered car handle? i know you brought up the Vette but whats so bad about it? its not light? it can still pull over 1 G. which the majority of people that buy supercars will never push them that far in fear of destroying their expensive car.

I think you just hit the nail on the head. The vette is expensive for a reason, big engine, big power. the solstice is cheap for a reason, little engine, little power. If they put a v8 in it, it would price it out of its market. But look what i posted above, if thats true, i think that would be enough power for that car.

[DontPassTheFence]

OFFTOPIC: :offtopic: Where the hell is alpine, AZ? and why have i not heard of this devil's highway? eh, eh, eh?

-back on topic, that 2.0 vvt / turbo-ed eco sounds pretty impressive, id like to be akin to an srt owner, just not have the embarassment of saying I own a dodge. (that and IMO, those front gilles are goofier than hell)

[92CamaroRS]

Originally posted by urweak
I think you just hit the nail on the head. The vette is expensive for a reason, big engine, big power. the solstice is cheap for a reason, little engine, little power. If they put a v8 in it, it would price it out of its market. But look what i posted above, if thats true, i think that would be enough power for that car.

The Vette is on the Cheap end of Super cars. don't lie the vette is a supercar.

[urweak]

Originally posted by 92CamaroRS
The Vette is on the Cheap end of Super cars. don't lie the vette is a supercar.


ok, and your point?

[92CamaroRS]

Originally posted by urweak
ok, and your point?

that for the class the Vette is in, it is CHEAP.

[Themeneea]

to many people own vettes to be a super car.

[urweak]

Originally posted by 92CamaroRS
that for the class the Vette is in, it is CHEAP.

Yea, i see that. But it is expensive compared to the solstice. if the vette had a 4 cylinder turbo i would think it would be in the 30k range. Its not cost effective to put a V8 in a solstice when you can put a turbo or supercharged 4 cylinder in the car for less and then pass that savings on to the customer.

[sunrunner_pei]

Originally posted by SilverGA2001
Then don't be all talk. Do it. You'll be sorely disappointed with what you see on a computer generated map.

Jay is the last person I would consider 'all talk'. ;)

[92CamaroRS]

Originally posted by Themeneea
to many people own vettes to be a super car.

so because alot of people own a car eliminates it from the super car catagory?

[92CamaroRS]

Originally posted by urweak
Yea, i see that. But it is expensive compared to the solstice. if the vette had a 4 cylinder turbo i would think it would be in the 30k range. Its not cost effective to put a V8 in a solstice when you can put a turbo or supercharged 4 cylinder in the car for less and then pass that savings on to the customer.

Im not trying to put the Solstice in the same class as the Vette.

I'm just saying a V8 powered Solstice would be Awsome, Torque is a Good Thing.

[urweak]

Originally posted by 92CamaroRS
Im not trying to put the Solstice in the same class as the Vette.

I'm just saying a V8 powered Solstice would be Awsome, Torque is a Good Thing.

A solstice with a V10 out of a formula one race car would be nice to. but its not realistic.

[92CamaroRS]

Originally posted by urweak
A solstice with a V10 out of a formula one race car would be nice to. but its not realistic.

right, but i dont see why a V8 powered roadster is unrealistic. Christ even the Grand Prix and Impala have V8's again.

[TA^Guy]

Originally posted by 92CamaroRS
The Vette is on the Cheap end of Super cars. don't lie the vette is a supercar.
The Vette isn't a Supercar, not even the ZO6, they are both sportscars by definition.

[92CamaroRS]

Originally posted by TA^Guy
The Vette isn't a Supercar, not even the ZO6, they are both sportscars by definition.

What is the the technical definition of 'supercar'?

I personally consider a super car to be a car that has superior handling, braking, and acceleration characteristics. From the Factory. and the New C6 Z06 is nothing short of a supercar.

[Rayz]

Originally posted by TA^Guy
The Vette isn't a Supercar, not even the ZO6, they are both sportscars by definition.

In my own personal definition of a supercar you have to be a sportscar and move up from there. To me no mater how much it cost a Rolls or a Maybach are not supercars
The Corvette would qualify but in my opinion it isn’t exclusive enough.
To me the Corvette still falls in to the expensive sportscar category along with the viper and most Porsches

[99blackSE]

The Corvette is just a wicked car.... no doubt about it. Can hold its own against anything, the performance per dollar ratio is darn hard to beat.

[92CamaroRS]

I'm still curious as to why a mass owned vehicle is automatically eliminated from supercar status just because its owned by more than a select few.

[Themeneea]

Originally posted by 92CamaroRS
I'm still curious as to why a mass owned vehicle is automatically eliminated from supercar status just because its owned by more than a select few.

if everyone had a lambo, it wouldnt be a supercar either.

plus, the vette's performace compared to real supercars is pretty bad, even in a striaght line

[DoubleOZeroGAse]

Not to get back on topic or anything :roll2: ....I just saw one of those car test shows, they showed a pic of the engine bay of the Solstice GXP and there was definately a turbo in there, not a supercharger...is there any more confirmation of this? Adam (30thAnnGAGT) can you confirm or deny any of this?

[TA^Guy]

Originally posted by 92CamaroRS
I'm still curious as to why a mass owned vehicle is automatically eliminated from supercar status just because its owned by more than a select few.
Supercars are basically racecars tuned for the streets as where sportscars like the ZO6 are street cars tuned for the track.

[92CamaroRS]

Originally posted by TA^Guy
Supercars are basically racecars tuned for the streets as where sportscars like the ZO6 are street cars tuned for the track.

Then i dont see any Lambo or Ferrari races cars that are driven, so then those arnt supercars either.


The new Z06 is nothing short of a racecar for the street.

[DontPassTheFence]

to me a 'supercar' is an exotic sportscar that cost more than 80K
in short, cars I wont be able to afford until im rich like a mofo.
And no, an Acura NSX isnt a supercar... its super trash

Examples:
Ferrari
Lamborghini
Pinafarra (sp?)
A few Porsches
Some Aston Martins
One Lotus (the Espirit)
A couple BMWs
Half of the Jaguars
Higher-end Bugattis
Skyline GT-R z-tune (http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?section_id=31&article_id=9092)

[TA^Guy]

I second that a NSX isn't a Supercar. It can't keep up with a Corvette let alone a Ferrari, Lambo, S7, ect...

[DontPassTheFence]

oh yea i forgot all about saleen's cars. most of those are supercars.

[RickHigginsHtbr]

I believe supercars are the cars that i'll probably never own. I can afford a Corvette right now, if I want to live in it. I won't be able to drive it until it's paid off, but I can probably afford it.

[jayhawk]

Originally posted by 92CamaroRS

The new Z06 is nothing short of a racecar for the street.

:roflmfao: :puke:

Oh, I am laughing so hard, I threw up!

[92CamaroRS]

Originally posted by jayhawk
:roflmfao: :puke:

Oh, I am laughing so hard, I threw up!

What's not racecar about it?

500hp? i dont see many street cars with that much power.

pulls over 1g, once again, dont see many street cars doing that.


seems race car to me, just doesnt have the cage.

just because it doesnt fit into your thinking that a car has to be light to be fast doesnt mean people have gotten around that.

from what ive seen, the C6R has been killer on the track, the Z06 is only missing a few pieces.

[TA^Guy]

Originally posted by 92CamaroRS
Then i dont see any Lambo or Ferrari races cars that are driven, so then those arnt supercars either.

The new Z06 is nothing short of a racecar for the street.
I didn't say Racecars driven on the street, but the actually design, chassis, engine, etc is developed from racing heritage.

A I agree the ZO6 is pretty much a factory built racecar it still is a racecar based on a streetcar, not vise versa, therefor still a Sportscar.
Originally posted by 92CamaroRS
What's not racecar about it?

500hp? i dont see many street cars with that much power.

pulls over 1g, once again, dont see many street cars doing that.

seems race car to me, just doesnt have the cage.

just because it doesnt fit into your thinking that a car has to be light to be fast doesnt mean people have gotten around that.

from what ive seen, the C6R has been killer on the track, the Z06 is only missing a few pieces.
Actually the C6 ZO6 is pretty darn lite.

And I agree that it's basically a production car prepped for the track.

Don't get upset Cory, to Jay nothing Domestic will ever compair and we are all "chest thumping" redneck Americans because we have a little pride in our detriot built vehicles.

I'll take a 500hp LS7 motor over ANY import engine anyday. Or even take a 18 yearold LC2 (thats a 3.8 Turbo Buick for those that dont know) over any import engine.

Only place for a 4 banger, small displacement engine is between my legs.

Yeah Baby - Irish, Greek and American. If the rest of the world don't like it, they can kiss my arse if they can catch it. :lol:

[Mike Reyna]

Originally posted by TA^Guy
The Vette isn't a Supercar, not even the ZO6, they are both sportscars by definition.


Couldn't agree more John. :thumbup2:

[2003 GAGT SC/T]

Originally posted by TA^Guy
Don't get upset Cory, to Jay nothing Domestic will ever compair and we are all "chest thumping" redneck Americans because we have a little pride in our detriot built vehicles.

I'll take a 500hp LS7 motor over ANY import engine anyday. Or even take a 18 yearold LC2 (thats a 3.8 Turbo Buick for those that dont know) over any import engine.

Couldn't agree more with both of those statements.

[DoubleOZeroGAse]

Originally posted by TA^Guy
A I agree the ZO6 is pretty much a factory built racecar it still is a racecar based on a streetcar, not vise versa, therefor still a Sportscar.

Actually the C6 ZO6 is pretty darn lite.

And I agree that it's basically a production car prepped for the track.


I'll take a 500hp LS7 motor over ANY import engine anyday. Or even take a 18 yearold LC2 (thats a 3.8 Turbo Buick for those that dont know) over any import engine.


:agree: I completely agree...that's exactly how I think of the ZO6, same with the Dodge Viper, both exceptional cars but not quite supercars...and of course I'd take the LS7 over anything else out there at the moment...a turbo Buick would be nice too, there's a GNX in town putting down over 800whp :drool: me want!!