nitrous bottle? can 3400 handle 100 shot?

[chrisv]

just wondering if anyone has done this kind of thing?
can a stock 3400 handle a 100 shot or should i go with a 75?
would i need to change anything else?

i am sort of somewhat torn between nos and turbo setup although nitrous seems a much cheaper setup but i do want to be safe and not blow anything. this is my daily driver that i take to a track on occasions.

[Bjornboy81]

1. Please search :)
http://www.gaownersclub.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=49309&highlight=nitrous

2. Don't call it nos unless you are referring to the brand NOS (Nitrous Oxide Systems by Holley)...it's nitrous. There are many companies that make nitrous setups.

[Themeneea]

if your thinking of both, boost never runs out

[kickarsgrdam01]

nitros is hard on the engine...very hard when u hit it. boost is not as hard on the engine but it is kinda there all the time. and it is much more respected to run boost then to just throw nitros in a car. oh, nitros can explode too...keep that in mind

[Bjornboy81]

Originally posted by kickarsgrdam01
nitros is hard on the engine...very hard when u hit it. boost is not as hard on the engine but it is kinda there all the time. and it is much more respected to run boost then to just throw nitros in a car. oh, nitros can explode too...keep that in mind

Nitrous, when used properly isn't any harder than boost
and Nitrous oxide doesn't burn.

[Cronk152]

Add's alot more oxygen

[RocketMan]

Yeah lol i always found it kind of interesting that ppl are so afraid of stuff like nitrous and pure oxygen cuz they think its like a bomb waiting to go off, and while all gasses under pressure are explosive if they are released too quickly (and oxygen isn't the safest gas to be around when there's fire nearby) oxygen and nitrous do not burn in the absense of a fuel....in fact let me reword that, they don't burn period. Any fuel in the area though will burn a hell of a lot better if they are around.

....and I wouldn't try 100 with stock components. GA's already have gasket, seal and coolant bulitens out the ass. Adding 100 x 754 = 75400 Watts to the engine for a few seconds under adiabatic conditions can't be good for it.

[Cronk152]

Oxygen burns, just not by itself.

Hydro-Carbon+Oxygen=Carbon Dioxide+Water+Energy

Wow, high school finally came in handy!

[Dexman1349]

Originally posted by Cronk152
Oxygen burns, just not by itself.

Hydro-Carbon+Oxygen=Carbon Dioxide+Water+Energy

Wow, high school finally came in handy!

Originally posted by RocketMan
oxygen and nitrous do not burn in the absense of a fuel....in fact let me reword that, they don't burn period. Any fuel in the area though will burn a hell of a lot better if they are around.

Let's see how many ways we can argue by saying the same thing.

Oxygen is not flammable. Fuel burns more efficiently IN THE PRESENCE of oxygen.

Back on topic:
I wouldn't do 100 with stock. Like mentioned before too many problems with leaks.

[MantaGreen97]

Originally posted by Dexman1349
Let's see how many ways we can argue by saying the same thing.


Okay sounds like fun. :D Oxygen doesn't burn, it oxidises a fuel. A fuel cannot burn at all, without an oxidiser. Most times Oxygen is that oxidiser, since it is all around us. So Oxygen never burns, even with a fuel--it merely facilitates the fuel's combustion/burning. So yep RocketMan was more correct I'd say, when he said "it doesn't burn period" above ;)

Here's some more "fun":
Demonstrate to your friends that oxygen itself doesn't burn by asking them to write a combustion equation for oxygen. (It's impossible).

:D

[Bjornboy81]

:shake:

[Ackbar00]

Originally posted by kickarsgrdam01
nitros is hard on the engine...very hard when u hit it. boost is not as hard on the engine but it is kinda there all the time. and it is much more respected to run boost then to just throw nitros in a car. oh, nitros can explode too...keep that in mind


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :roll2:

chrisv - Try it and let us know how you do:cool:

[slowbird]

Answering the original Question of the thread:

Yes...a 3400 can handle a 100 shot of Nitrous as long as it's tuned properly.
The 3400 internals can handle quite a bit....I know a few people running 10psi of boost on their 3400 engines that they picked up from Junkyards.

[Bjornboy81]

Originally posted by slowbird
The 3400 internals can handle quite a bit....I know a few people running 10psi of boost on their 3400 engines that they picked up from Junkyards.

...it's the tranny that you have to worry about. But for further discussion, please search. The topic has been beaten like a dead horse around here :roll2:

[slowbird]

The question was "Can the 3400 handle the bottle." ...and I gave my opinion.

...someone should have told him to search and locked the thread before all the bickering started.

[Bjornboy81]

Originally posted by slowbird
The question was "Can the 3400 handle the bottle." ...and I gave my opinion.

...someone should have told him to search and locked the thread before all the bickering started.

lol...My comment was a general one, not directed towards you :)

I was just letting him know the tranny may not take it.

And it seems like every time the word transmission is brought up, the thread always goes down the same road. I was just trying to save this thread from the same demise. :D

[TA^Guy]

Originally posted by kickarsgrdam01
nitros is hard on the engine...very hard when u hit it. boost is not as hard on the engine but it is kinda there all the time. and it is much more respected to run boost then to just throw nitros in a car. oh, nitros can explode too...keep that in mind
You watch to many ricer movies.

First off the only reason a nitrous obttle will explode is if you heat it up.

Second off Nitrous is not flamable!

Third, if you know how to properly tune and use nitrous it's not hard on the engine.
Originally posted by Bjornboy81
Nitrous, when used properly isn't any harder than boost
and Nitrous oxide doesn't burn.
:agree:

It always kills me the rumors people spread without actually knowning anything about what they are talking about.

[slowbird]

Originally posted by Bjornboy81
lol...My comment was a general one, not directed towards you :)

I was just letting him know the tranny may not take it.

And it seems like every time the word transmission is brought up, the thread always goes down the same road. I was just trying to save this thread from the same demise. :D

Oh! Sorry :O My bad.

[Bjornboy81]

Originally posted by slowbird
Oh! Sorry :O My bad.

np :)

[KeWLKaT]

Originally posted by Dexman1349 Oxygen is not flammable. Fuel burns more efficiently IN THE PRESENCE of oxygen.

Smart man. Exactly the case. Also, may I point out to you that my very good friend who owns the same car as me runs a 120 shot on stock internal. This is on an I4, and trust me, the gaskets aren't better than what you guys have.

On a v6, IMHO, a 100 shot would be taken quite nicely.

The only concern with that amount of nitrous is the fuel delivery. Now I don't know what kind of fuel delivery you guys have (returnless perhaps?), so this solely depends on what type you are using, wet vs. dry. Anyhow, either way, you have to make sur to use the proper fuel pressure, or jet sizes.

Lean situations in higher amounts of nitrous is VERY bad for your engines, that's why people stay away from big shots. Although, properly tuned, an engine can take a big shot nicely. You also have to keep in mind that a 100 shot does not translate to an extra 100whp, so there shouldn't be any dangers really...

[Themeneea]

:offtopic:

i have never heard of someone turboing a elantra, that must be rare. have you dynoed?

[KeWLKaT]

Hey,

No dyno yet, but that is because i am not done.

Frankly it's been 2 weeks since I added the turbo on it LOL.

I'm finishing on my new exhaust as we speak, my neighboor is doing the welding. My car sounds like ass right now without anything in the back of the downpipe :D

I am currently trying to fit an fmic since a week (lol) cutting your bumper just isn't as easy as it sounds :P, and I converted to return-type fuel delivery, to benefit from the rrfpr I slapped on.

It is currently running on zero boost, but just for laughs I tested it at 4 psi while running rich (to be on the safe side) and that thing was SMOKING

I think I can make it go up to over 200whp @ 7-8 psi if I can tune it right with the SDS EIC.

It will go on the dyno in mid-january... why so late? well, it's my daily driver and my semester finishes in december... and everything is closed during that time, so that's the soonest I can. Oh, and the dyno is a couple of hours away so that's another reason why I can't do a week-end drive, I seem to be studying all the time.

I will FOR SURE postup a dyno over here for you guys once it is dynoed. I only know of 3 other turbo elantras in north america. And 1 in Canada, but it's an autocraptic tranny so I'm unique in my country LOL

Back on topic.... :D

[slowbird]

Take it to the track...that's the real test