Who's got the fastest NA 99+ GT? [Archive] - Grand Am Owners Club Forums

pre_16365

04-01-2003, 03:48 PM

well im planning on getting ported & polished heads, upper & lower intake, larger throttle body, and possibly a hi-flow cat to go along with my flowmaster. i want to run all motor... no juice. i think that it would be a pretty nice engine with a decent hp increase. they say its about a 40-60 hp increase but im not sure about that and dont know if its wroth the 1200+.

p8ntman442

04-01-2003, 03:57 PM

If your freeing up that much flow area, deffinatly get a different cam grind, to allow your valvs to open sooner, close later and smoother, to use that air your providing. I mean If your digging for gold in your engine, its always another inch away. :D

pre_16365

04-01-2003, 04:01 PM

Originally posted by p8ntman442
If your freeing up that much flow area, deffinatly get a different cam grind, to allow your valvs to open sooner, close later and smoother, to use that air your providing. I mean If your digging for gold in your engine, its always another inch away. :D

:agree:

MJE95GAGT

04-01-2003, 04:37 PM

DO NOT get a REGRIND cam, wait for Comp Cams to hopefully come out with a 3400 new cam soon (or maybe ADTR?? :D) I think once these are available is when people will start seeing some REALLY good gains

iceman

04-01-2003, 04:55 PM

I hit a 15.30 bone stock.. the same day I saw Frank and his 4 door SE (only difference was he had non-stock tires) run 15.3/15.2's all day.. bone stock

TA^Guy

04-01-2003, 06:18 PM

Originally posted by iceman
I hit a 15.30 bone stock.. the same day I saw Frank and his 4 door SE (only difference was he had non-stock tires) run 15.3/15.2's all day.. bone stock
Let me guess it was like in March right?

Cause I'm sure if I took the GA out to the track this week I could turn some killer times. :)

iceman

04-01-2003, 06:23 PM

Nope.. warm day in november (50s)

TA^Guy

04-01-2003, 06:29 PM

Damn, our track closes in October and opens in April.

99GrandAMSE

04-01-2003, 07:33 PM

Originally posted by iceman
I hit a 15.30 bone stock.. the same day I saw Frank and his 4 door SE (only difference was he had non-stock tires) run 15.3/15.2's all day.. bone stock

Where you from dude? Michigan perhaps?

GhettoSuperStar

04-01-2003, 08:00 PM

Originally posted by iceman
I hit a 15.30 bone stock.. the same day I saw Frank and his 4 door SE (only difference was he had non-stock tires) run 15.3/15.2's all day.. bone stock
I don't think so dude.

slvrbullet

04-02-2003, 10:52 AM

I put a V12 in my GA, so that would make me the fastest... HA:rolleyes: I run 8 seconds flat.:eek:

iceman

04-02-2003, 11:28 AM

Originally posted by GhettoSuperStar
I don't think so dude.

yawn... Don't be so quick to call BS. It is quite possible, especially with good tires (car had 3k on it at the time) and a car in great condition.

slip here
http://www.cardomain.com/id/ice8420

some threads here
http://gmp.homeip.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=6058
http://gmp.homeip.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=5805
http://gmp.homeip.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=6259

Video:
http://iceman.draepi.org/iceman.mpeg

People there:
gregfarz, Dan/ihaveadopeGT, Matt95GT, bunch more, need I go on...

iceman

04-02-2003, 11:31 AM

Originally posted by TA^Guy
Damn, our track closes in October and opens in April.

That's what I like about Atco, only closed for a month or two from Dec - Jan/Feb

L!m3

04-02-2003, 12:48 PM

Originally posted by iceman
yawn... Don't be so quick to call BS. It is quite possible, especially with good tires (car had 3k on it at the time) and a car in great condition.

slip here
http://www.cardomain.com/id/ice8420

some threads here
http://gmp.homeip.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=6058
http://gmp.homeip.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=5805
http://gmp.homeip.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=6259

Video:
http://iceman.draepi.org/iceman.mpeg

People there:
gregfarz, Dan/ihaveadopeGT, Matt95GT, bunch more, need I go on...

dude I thought you said you ran that bone stock? Yet your profile thing says you have mods...make up your damn mind.

iceman

04-02-2003, 12:50 PM

I did.. November of 2001. No mods, unless you count some blue stickers and an oil change a mod.

MJE95GAGT

04-02-2003, 12:50 PM

my guess is the mods were done after he ran :rolleyes: BTW theres someone on CGAC that ran 15.2 stock

mitro

04-02-2003, 01:16 PM

I don't understand whats so hard to believe, there have been many GAs that have run sub 15.5 times stock. (unfortunately mines not one of them :P)

99GrandAMSE

04-02-2003, 04:54 PM

Originally posted by mitro
I don't understand whats so hard to believe, there have been many GAs that have run sub 15.5 times stock. (unfortunately mines not one of them :P)

... I have seen a 15.5 with ONLY a MAF mod that didn't amount to much :) ... but to be honest, this is the only one I have seen outside of Michigan :lol:

Y2KGPGT

04-02-2003, 06:57 PM

I'm not saying it's not possible but I would have to see it to believe it. I've seen some fast GA's but I don' think a bone stock 3.4 could run faster than my 3.8 GPGT.

TicketmeRed99GT

04-02-2003, 07:07 PM

Originally posted by Y2KGPGT
I'm not saying it's not possible but I would have to see it to believe it. I've seen some fast GA's but I don' think a bone stock 3.4 could run faster than my 3.8 GPGT.

Well... I might be wrong here, but what the heck... isnt the GPGT heavier than the GAGT? I would say stock vs stock, it would be even. Depending on the driver ofcourse.

Anyways, I didnt mean for this thread to start into a mini flame war... I just want to see where exactly I can get w/ NA bolt ons.

So you guys are telling me that w/ all the N/A bolt on mods available for this car, that it wont see mid 14s?

When I was refurbashing (sp?) the brake rotors (rust), I noticed the exhaust on this car is pretty big to begin with... looked like a 2.5" pipe, am I correct? Also, did I see 2 cats on that exhaust?? Thats something I will be eliminating soon. Since FL doesnt do emissions testing, straight pipes are the way to go.

I will start on my modding, and will keep you all posted.

MJE95GAGT

04-02-2003, 07:28 PM

Mid 14s with bolt ons MIGHT be possible with some DRs to go with the headers, cat-back, cai, pulley, chip, tb, maf. But to get there for sure or even low 14s get that and p&p heads and intake manifold. Our cam is very restrictive so once that gets figured out their MIGHT be people in the high 13s with all those mods. Your stock piping is 2.25" and the other "cat" is your resonator

iceman

04-02-2003, 08:36 PM

iceman

04-02-2003, 08:39 PM

Originally posted by TicketmeRed99GT

Anyways, I didnt mean for this thread to start into a mini flame war... I just want to see where exactly I can get w/ NA bolt ons.

So you guys are telling me that w/ all the N/A bolt on mods available for this car, that it wont see mid 14s?

When I was refurbashing (sp?) the brake rotors (rust), I noticed the exhaust on this car is pretty big to begin with... looked like a 2.5" pipe, am I correct? Also, did I see 2 cats on that exhaust?? Thats something I will be eliminating soon. Since FL doesnt do emissions testing, straight pipes are the way to go.

I will start on my modding, and will keep you all posted.

Depends what you think as a simple bolt on.. Intake, exhaust, headers, downpipe, you're in high 14s, I've seen it in person.

Stock piping is 2.25". There is 1 cat and a resonator right after the cat. Straight pipes sound nice on the 3.4 :)

TicketmeRed99GT

04-02-2003, 09:17 PM

Do you think by replacing the cat-back pipe to a 2.5" w/ no cat would be better or will I loose torque?

The mods I have in mind is chip, cai, headers, exhaust. Thats all I know of so far. Now im hearing we got pulleys and a TB...

So the 3.4 has a restrictive cam... is there anybody working on making us better cams? I believe this 3.4 has alot of potential to put out some good hp numbers down. Hell if nissan has 3.5's pushing near 285 at the crank, then I see no reason why this motor should be near that number. low 14s and 0-60s in low 6s maybe high high 5s would be sweet on this car...

MJE95GAGT

04-02-2003, 09:37 PM

2.5" mandrel from the header back with mufflers would be great for top end but you will lose some top end, with a cat it should be a good combo of both hp and tq. Comp Cams might be working on something in the future. ADTR is working on something too that is "suppose" to be out this summer. You have to remember that the Nissan is a DOHC and this is a pushrod.

TA^Guy

04-03-2003, 12:15 AM

What Y2KGPGT means is that a GAGT and GPGT will run near door to door, neither one stock for stock will pull away from the other. After all the racing we did (I had mild mods *note* K&N drop-in) we ran identical times.
http://www.ecmotorsports.com/ecmracing01.jpg
http://www.ecmotorsports.com/ecmracing01a.jpg
And not saying it's not fast Seth but whats the fastest you've gone so far? Y2KGPGT never said you didn;t run that. But I'm sure my GA and his GP would run identical times given the same conditions. Air tempature, humidity, and altitude is a HUGE factor. I bet if I track tested my car right now I could rip a low 15 second pass. The fact that not only your car, but everyone elses was running identical times proves this point.

SpecialFX

04-06-2003, 04:24 PM

Once I get my 4' high wing, I'll be sure to run less than 10s *wink*

Sorry_Officer

04-07-2003, 10:47 AM

I ran an unofficial 14.7 at GLD running lean and my car running like crap after the all the engine work with no FPR. That was a 2.3 60' time.

The rest of the night it was 15.2's with 3 to 3.5 60' times so with proper traction I should be mid to high 14's.

(Please keep in mind those were unofficial times becuase of a sensor problem at GLD the night I was there)

After the custom tune by DHP my car runs like a raped ape and 14's all day should be no problem. I take my buddy's 2000 Type-R on the regular and his best was a 14.56. He never runs under a 14.8.

I know Pat (scheppwe) sp?, ran a 14.93 with I/H/E, and no engine work.

GrandAmGt199

04-14-2003, 08:37 PM

how in the hell did you fit a v12 on a car thats barley big enough for a v6, i think thats a little but of a lie there, if not i want you to put some pics up of your engine on here.

MJE95GAGT

04-14-2003, 08:40 PM

its a joke ;)

schweppe23

07-02-2003, 01:08 AM

I know Pat (scheppwe) sp?, ran a 14.93 with I/H/E, and no engine work.

Its true, and i think i could go even faster now.

Pat Lavanty

BBT

07-02-2003, 09:32 AM

Originally posted by pre_16365
well im planning on getting ported & polished heads, upper & lower intake, larger throttle body, and possibly a hi-flow cat to go along with my flowmaster. i want to run all motor... no juice. i think that it would be a pretty nice engine with a decent hp increase. they say its about a 40-60 hp increase but im not sure about that and dont know if its wroth the 1200+.

IF you get the 40-60 HP (which I doubt, but ya never know) the $1200 doesn't sound too bad, and with that other work I would most definitely get the hi-flo cat. Remove the resonator too since you will have a Flowmaster muffler on it. Since you're going to be pumping more air through there, you might want to consider a better, higher pressure fuel pump as well.

1995grandam

07-02-2003, 11:47 AM

in a year, im hoping to have a mid 14 car (n/a)... i just need like 3000 more dollars. tb, intake manifold, custom headers, custom cam, pulley, p&p'd heads. woohoo cant wait

TEAM_AED

07-02-2003, 12:33 PM

Well I have seen my fair share of GAGT's all year makes and models and Firebird International Raceway. Most were bone stock. I have seen 3 GAGT
s 99+ at the track, mid to low 16's all night long. but AZ is hot and humid sooo...

sep2000GT

07-02-2003, 03:51 PM

I ran a 15.4 completly stock. That was before I had any mods of any kind. I can't get those times now. My best would be a 15.5 and thats if im lucky. I went to the track a few weeks ago and did two runs and I could'nt get better than a 16 flat but its hot now. Keep in mind it was very cold the night I ran a 15.4. But i think its possible to run a15.2. Also I have 17 in. rims now would that affect my 1/4 mile time, if yes how?

Themeneea

07-02-2003, 04:05 PM

Also I have 17 in. rims now would that affect my 1/4 mile time, if yes how?

maybe, if they weight more

BBT

07-02-2003, 04:10 PM

If you keep the same overall diameter of tire, you shouldn't see much difference from that, but the weight may have an impact if they are heavier, like Themeneea said. If your tires are taller, then the car has to overcome that while trying to acclerate, so it will have an impact.

Spoonya

07-02-2003, 09:05 PM

I've seen a stock GA SE (2000 I believe) run 15.5.....that was in the Fall here in London Ontario. Kind of cool out (weather).....only "mod" was a K&N Drop-in.

Red99GAGT

07-02-2003, 11:10 PM

Tonight i ran a 15.567 with just my custom CAI as a mod.

it was about 80* out and was my first time running the 1/4. I was impressed.

2002GT

07-03-2003, 12:09 AM

:O What a bunch of non-believes... I ran a 15.349 BONE STOCK... I now have upper intake, cai, exhaust (and cut-out), 62mmTB... I bet with those mods I could pull off a 14.8... Plus when I ran my time my 60 foot time was like a 2.3-.4 If I could get that to a 2.0-2.2 My time would drop...

Y2KGPGT

07-03-2003, 02:33 PM

Hope you had fun last night. I sorry taht you olny got one run in though. I think you might have ran a little faster if you went one more time. It was just starting to cool down a little more. I am very disgusted with me time.

Old Guy

07-03-2003, 03:39 PM

Originally posted by 2002GT
:O What a bunch of non-believes... I ran a 15.349 BONE STOCK... I now have upper intake, cai, exhaust (and cut-out), 62mmTB... I bet with those mods I could pull off a 14.8... Plus when I ran my time my 60 foot time was like a 2.3-.4 If I could get that to a 2.0-2.2 My time would drop...

I believe it! But......you're at sea level or very close to it. I can change my time by .4 sec without making one modification. Different tracks and different conditions will put you all over the boards when it comes to ETs. And that's with very comparable 60' times. A 14.8 will be pretty tough to hit with those mods, (I doubt you added 50 WHP) and a 2.0 60' will even be tougher unless you go to drag radials. Figure .10 sec drop per 10 HP gain, and the HP gains are not accumulative. I did say tough, not impossible, I've seen just about everthing in 30+ years at the track. :)

I've said this more times than I can remember......ETs make absolutley no difference when it comes to talking about camparably equipped cars unless they are from the same night at the same track. I know from experience that my time will change even with something so slight as changing lanes at a track. If you don't believe me, why do you think that in run offs they give the higher placing car choice of lanes.....

BTW - I'm not flaming you personally, or anyone else for that matter. I just get a little crazy when I see guys believing one guy's ET and not believing anothers', or saying "my car is faster because I ran a XX.XXX". Line 'em up side by side and then you'll know, otherwise....it's just bragging rights.

Oh....and my best time was a 15.6......but it was really hot and humid out, and I had a fouled plug, and my windshield wipers were on........and..... :lol:

2002GT

07-03-2003, 08:19 PM

Actually man... It's people like you who I enjoy having conversations with... I totally agreed with your whole post... Your a good man, lol ... A lot of people treat my indifferent or dont' believe because I am 17... BTW... I do plan on getting Drag Radials... but... I got a lot of other things up my sleeve... My goal is to hit a 14.4 and stop... So I can be show and go... Take Care...

EDIT: Also... I am 67 feet above sea level... So i do have the advantage :angel2:

HondaCivicsSuck

07-03-2003, 11:57 PM

damn i still would get my ass handed to me by a GAGT and there dogs :mad: ... that will change :cool:

Red99GAGT

07-04-2003, 01:42 AM

Originally posted by Y2KGPGT
Hope you had fun last night. I sorry taht you olny got one run in though. I think you might have ran a little faster if you went one more time. It was just starting to cool down a little more. I am very disgusted with me time.

Its all good Chad. I'm glad I finally got to meet you guys. I had such a good time just looking around at the other cars. I was satisfied with my only run, but I do wish I could have got atleast 1 more in.

BTW- I know you'll be able to get your ET's down, something just isn't right. And did you get your headlight adjusted yet?