ETS not functioning

[Bumpin1OHM]

its cold here, real cold, like -11F

my ETS is not working, the button is not responding for turning the ETS on and off. i can floor it and it just goes right on up to 6k.

there is snow/ice on the ground fyi.

when the wheels slip, it doesnt show a low trac light or anything, and the light doesnt go off if i press the button on the shifter.

any ideas?

ABS is working fine tho.

[Pont]

man thats just messed up mine is doing the same thing not as cold and no ice yet but still the button does nothing

[cocobob]

Is the ABS working ? The ETS uses the ABS sensors to work.

[JoeyK]

I never understood why anyone would need that fake traction control anyways. You're just fine with out it. If there were an easy way you could have mine. I shut mine off everytime I get in the car. It's more annoying & dangerous than anything.

Is your cruise control working ok? - Like cocobob said, it could be the sensor in the wheel bearing assembly.

[Bumpin1OHM]

already stated in my 1st post that ABS is working fine.

how is it dangerous?

[MantaGreen97]

^I fail to see how it is "dangerous" as well.... lol

Is you ETS OFF light on?

[Bumpin1OHM]

yep its on. no matter which way the button is

[sunrunner_pei]

Originally posted by Bumpin1OHM
yep its on. no matter which way the button is

So long as your ABS is functioning and your ABS warning light is not on, I'm going to guess you have a problem with the ETS button on your shifter.

[MantaGreen97]

Yeah there might be something wrong with the wiring on the button (in 96-98 cars it is a simple wired circuit where if it is open the ETS is off; if it is closed the ETS is on). Your parking brake light isn't coming on as well is it?

Did you pull up the shifter plate on the console and check the wiring/connector for the ETS button? If the switch and wiring are okay, there is likely some other fault with the ETS system somewhere. You're likely going to need to get the codes checked--there might be a DTC Cxxxx type code stored for the error.

Other than the switch, the rest of the diagnosis does require a scan tool like a Tech 2 (standard "code reader" type OBD-II tools will not perform the required functions) to check and see if the ETS is actually getting enabled/disabled properly in the PCM. If that fails, the repair seems to be replacement of the EBCM. I.e. If you check out the switch/wiring and you find it is okay, you pretty much have to get it diagnosed somewhere with the proper equipment.

[Bumpin1OHM]

wouldnt be suprised.

altho we have a wide wide street over here and no one was on it.

so i grabbed the hand brake and spun the car (was bored...).

abs light came on after the car stopped moving. turned car off and back on n the light went off =) lol

[MantaGreen97]

Hmm the ABS light will do that if you pull the parking brake sometimes because once the rear locks up the ABS pump motor will engage (even though you aren't using the brakes hydraulically); if they are locked long enough, the ABS will think there is a problem since it cannot unlock the rear wheels and a DTC will set and the light will come on. What's strange is the ABS doesn't care about whether the parking brake is applied or not, whereas if the parking brake is on, the ETS is automatically disabled.

The ETS is definitely related but if the ABS light went out, the ETS should start functioning again as well. I've done this in my car in the winter too (had the ABS light come on because of locking the rear end with the parking brake) but like you a simple ignition cycle was enough to turn it off, and my ETS worked fine everytime afterwards as well. I'd suggest maybe disconnecting/reconnecting the battery? It's worth a shot at least.

[carlover626]

I do the E-brake trick a lot and I never get the ABS light?
I don't have ETS so maybe that is why?

[Bumpin1OHM]

yo carlover, how is your car handling this below 0 bullshat here in colorado?

[JoeyK]

Originally posted by Bumpin1OHM


how is it dangerous?

Anytime you expect that power there and absolutely need it & the wheel spins a bit & you're a sitting duck. I guess it's for people who don't know when to let off the pedal? I dunno, I don't see a need for it if you know what you're doing. To me it's completely worthless & annoying because it resets itself everytime you turn the key.

[Bumpin1OHM]

Originally posted by JoeyK
Anytime you expect that power there and absolutely need it & the wheel spins a bit & you're a sitting duck. ??????:???:

[sunrunner_pei]

Originally posted by MantaGreen97
...I'd suggest maybe disconnecting/reconnecting the battery? It's worth a shot at least.

He doesn't own a wrench (http://www.gaownersclub.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=650754#post650754) to be able to disconnect the battery. ;)

[Bumpin1OHM]

shut up you ;)

[MantaGreen97]

Originally posted by JoeyK
Anytime you expect that power there and absolutely need it & the wheel spins a bit & you're a sitting duck. I guess it's for people who don't know when to let off the pedal? I dunno, I don't see a need for it if you know what you're doing. To me it's completely worthless & annoying because it resets itself everytime you turn the key.

Haha, not on the 96-98 it doesn't--we have a physical switch :P Though given it is on the shifter and a little easy to hit by accident.

Still the argument about the wheel spinning and you being a sitting duck doesn't make much sense to me because it does allow a tiny bit of wheelspin before it kicks in/becomes effective and usually it will get you going faster than if your wheels were spinning. I mean in absolute snow/slush/ice you can open the throttle far more than you should and the car will "find" traction on it's own pretty well, at least that has been my experience--I make use of it all the time in winter and have never been "a sitting duck" as you put it. Sure it isn't full traction control with brake intervention but it still works pretty well, IMO.

[sunrunner_pei]

Originally posted by Bumpin1OHM
shut up you ;)

See now, I told ya a wrench would come in handy! :)

[carlover626]

It is running pretty nice, I notice a bit more power in my mid range, probably from the cold air. Too bad I have to watch out for the ice, it could be a lot of fun!
Starting in the morning it is getting weird (see my posts) but it seems to be doing fine after the temp gauge starts moving.
How about yours? How many miles do you have on it?
I like the specs on your system, mine is just 2 12's in a ported box, 600 Watt Xplode Amp, Panasonic Deck.
Where can I get some X overs?

[Bumpin1OHM]

its just over 90,800 right now. when i got it it was about 87,500

what do u need crossovers for?

[carlover626]

Cool, I have 96,000 and I have had it since 67,000.
From the knowledge of crossovers I have they help channel the treble to the front speakers and the bass to the subs, I have already blown one of my speakers because of this.
Am I confused? :)

[Bumpin1OHM]

yes.

contact me on AIM

Bumpin2ohms is my screen name

[JoeyK]

Originally posted by MantaGreen97
Haha, not on the 96-98 it doesn't--we have a physical switch :P Though given it is on the shifter and a little easy to hit by accident.

Still the argument about the wheel spinning and you being a sitting duck doesn't make much sense to me because it does allow a tiny bit of wheelspin before it kicks in/becomes effective and usually it will get you going faster than if your wheels were spinning. I mean in absolute snow/slush/ice you can open the throttle far more than you should and the car will "find" traction on it's own pretty well, at least that has been my experience--I make use of it all the time in winter and have never been "a sitting duck" as you put it. Sure it isn't full traction control with brake intervention but it still works pretty well, IMO.

Ah, I should have noticed - his isn't a 5th gen. You guys are lucky you can turn it off & leave it off. :P I'm not gonna argue, it's personal opinion. All I know is I can get my car up & moving better without it. I've come close to being t boned in an intersection because it kicked it & pretty much just hung out there going nowhere.:

[Bumpin1OHM]

does the 2k1's traction control use braking to do it or just retard the timing like on my 97?

[sunrunner_pei]

Originally posted by Bumpin1OHM
does the 2k1's traction control use braking to do it or just retard the timing like on my 97?

The '99-2005 is the same as your '97. http://www.gaownersclub.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=91

[Pont]

got my tracked down thanks to the guys here somehow the wire got pulled out of the connecter under the shifter

[Bumpin1OHM]

and this post is here for?...