CAI Question

[GrandAmSSE]

I'm installing my new CAI and was wondering should I remove the bottom of the stock air box?

[angrysk8r]

I'm pretty sure with most cai's you remove everything from the stock airbox/piping.

Also, don't forget that search button. There's already several writeups on how to install a cai.

[GrandAmSSE]

****! I was looking at the TB Boot (Thing that connects TB to Air Box) The middle has a huge hole. I was thinking I could either use the Reducer from the new CAI to take its place and make hole for the two senors or cut the middle lot and put the metal sleve that came with the CAI in the middle. What should I do?

[angrysk8r]

Originally posted by GrandAmSSE
****! I was looking at the TB Boot (Thing that connects TB to Air Box) The middle has a huge hole. I was thinking I could either use the Reducer from the new CAI to take its place and make hole for the two senors or cut the middle lot and put the metal sleve that came with the CAI in the middle. What should I do?


....I have no clue what you mean....try to be a little more descriptive or post pics...

if it's the 3400 (im pretty sure the 3100 as well) you have the large intake manifold (with the 3400/3100 casted on it), then the TB with the cables attached to it, some black tubing after that, the MAF sensor, followed by more tubing and then the airbox am I right? Im not sure what you mean by TB boot....or the reducer....there should be two holes in the first piece of tubing, one for the IAT sensor (has wires) and one is just a hard plastic hose from the back crank case cover.

Also...a little off topic....is that a fake hood scoop on your car?

[GrandAmSSE]

The black tube has a large hole in the middle. Should I cut out the middle where the hole is on it and put a metal sleve I have in there to replace the middle or should I use a rubber sleve I have and make holes in it for the senors to replace the black tube.

[GrandAmSSE]

Oh as for the hood scoop I have a duct that goes on the bottom of the hood the routes air over by the CAI. I just haven't put it on. I don't want to put a huge hole in the hood. Sooner or later I'll grow a pair and do it.

[Mike94SE]

IS that an Air/Oil seperator? Not sure (it's essentially bad, use a breather on the box)

[angrysk8r]

Originally posted by GrandAmSSE
The black tube has a large hole in the middle. Should I cut out the middle where the hole is on it and put a metal sleve I have in there to replace the middle or should I use a rubber sleve I have and make holes in it for the senors to replace the black tube.

I'm not exactly a mind reader...so I'm going to have to make some assumptions...

If you're replacing the original stock tubing with some other tubing you may need to make 2 holes. The original tubing has a hole at the top that has a small but somewhat long hard plastic tube (it connects to the back of the crankcase cover and allows for the gasses from the crankcase to be reburnt in the intake) and it should also have another hole for the IAT sensor (should have 2 wires leading to it which connect to a 2 pronged clip that goes into the actual IAT sensor). If you are planning to reuse this piece of tubing you shouldn't need to do anything but stick the cai tube onto a rubber coupler and attach it to the MAF sensor. However, if you are using a different piece of tubing to replace the one with the IAT and the hose, and if that piece of tubing doesn't have 2 holes already in it, you're going to have to make your own.

Again, if that's not the answer you wanted, you're going to have to be either more specific, or you're going to have to post pictures and point out just what exactly you're trying to do.

IS that an Air/Oil seperator? Not sure (it's essentially bad, use a breather on the box)

It's actually not bad for your car. It just allows for unburnt gasses to be reburnt in combustion and actually adds to your gas milage (without hurting your engine performance hardly at all if any).

[GrandAmSSE]

Thanks but I figured something out. I'll post pics when I'm all done. Thanks for your ideas.

[SilverGA2001]

Sounds like he was asking about the grommet holding the IAT sensor in the first piece of tubing that connects to the TB.

[GrandAmSSE]

YEP. Pics posted is the memebers ride forum.

[Ishan]

My buddy has a warm air intake just like yours in his 3100, at first he didn't remove the bottom part of the housing for the air box, and it caused him problems. The cone actually got sucked down into the air box, kinda. well.. basically.. it actually restricted air flow. So, yeah, taking it out is a good idea :)

[GrandAmSSE]

Gotcha. But I just ment was just the tube from the fender well that runs into the bottom of the box. Not the bottom half itself.

[XoticGA]

You have a WAI... Not a CAI

[GrandAmSSE]

My mistake.

[angrysk8r]

BTW, from what I've heard from people doing scans on the MAF and IAT sensors (I actually also performed one myself using a proscanner), a WAI actually can hurt performance due to the enging not getting enough air due to the high heat of the incoming air under the hood.

[GrandAmSSE]

I don't know. It sounds like its get a hel of alot of air to me. You can hear it wooshing into it. Sounds really cool.

[angrysk8r]

Originally posted by GrandAmSSE
I don't know. It sounds like its get a hel of alot of air to me. You can hear it wooshing into it. Sounds really cool.

That doesn't matter, what does matter is the density of the air which is directly related to the temperature of the air. Basically, colder air is more dense than warmer air, the cylanders can only suck so much at one time without forced induction, so if you have warmer air going in there's going to be less fuel added and less power.

[Ishan]

Originally posted by GrandAmSSE
Gotcha. But I just ment was just the tube from the fender well that runs into the bottom of the box. Not the bottom half itself.

Ohh, Ok. Personally, I'd keep that in. If you think about it, all that tube is doing is directing cold air towards your cone.. which is what you want, it certently won't hurt anything to keep it in.

[angrysk8r]

Originally posted by Ishan
Ohh, Ok. Personally, I'd keep that in. If you think about it, all that tube is doing is directing cold air towards your cone.. which is what you want, it certently won't hurt anything to keep it in.

It's not really directing much, if you look at where the tubing ends up its actually facing almost 90 degrees upward (if you remove the left headlight you can see it easier)

[thegeswho3]

I don't know. It sounds like its get a hel of alot of air to me. You can hear it wooshing into it. Sounds really cool.

That "wooshing"might be sucking. A freeer exhaust should make less noise because there is minimal turbulance.

Take ME 031, it will answere all of your questions...

[Martyr]

If it's the tube that I think it is then it's U shaped. If so, you could cut the tube at the bottom center and remove the the piece that
that is no longer connected to the air box. That would put the catch for it lower into the fender about 5 or 6 inches from the fog light. You should be able to catch more cold air that way.

[GrandAmSSE]

I burn my cone. I started the car and it back fired out the intake. I looks ok on the outside but inside is knid of burn.

[angrysk8r]

Originally posted by GrandAmSSE
I burn my cone. I started the car and it back fired out the intake. I looks ok on the outside but inside is knid of burn.

ummm i've never really heard of backfiring that bad, at least in a GA....may be you should look into that.

[96GreenGaGT]

i don't know about the SE's but on the gt... there is actually a rubber paper thing.. whatever that underbody paneling is... tha curves by the fog light on the left side... guiding air up towards the hole behind the headlight. so it gets slightly colder air then the se does since it is directed towards the intake. i can take pictures if you want. but i know that the se doesn't have it now that i think about it.

you could also pipe cold air towards your wai with a smaller pipe so it will fit behind the headlight... and then have it sorta wide at the bottom of the bumper by the fog light. and then connect it all the way to near the cone filter. it won't be restricted either if you use the same size tubing all the way... you can get stuff at lowes i think or a hardware store for that... they have small diameter tubing that would work... then just glue on some kind of shroud... like a box shaped shroud or something that angles inwards towards the tubing to help aim the air. then when your driving around at 60mph+ you'll be getting some cold air.

if i'm not mistaken... you have to flash your pcm if you put cold air intake on the 3100/3400 am i right? doesn't it make the mixture too lean if you don't? seems i remember reading that somewhere's on here a while back....

[GrandAmSSE]

Originally posted by angrysk8r
ummm i've never really heard of backfiring that bad, at least in a GA....may be you should look into that.

I think it was a one time thing. Never happened before and hasn't happened again. I reved the engine right before I shut it off and then I restarted it and pump the gas like 30s later so maybe that had something to do with it.

[angrysk8r]

Originally posted by GrandAmSSE
I think it was a one time thing. Never happened before and hasn't happened again. I reved the engine right before I shut it off and then I restarted it and pump the gas like 30s later so maybe that had something to do with it.

I have to admit....I've gotta give you some credit...after all, you backfired a fuel injected v6.

[96GreenGaGT]

yea really.. i've never done that. lol

[nice96gt]

Remove the entire stock airbox. It does nothing for you. If you add a high flow filter or cai you don't have to do anything with the computer. It will relearn after a little bit. As for having a wai...it will be fine. It definitely won't be as good as a cai but it will still bring in more air. Check out http://www.gaownersclub.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=45799
This will be relatively the same for your '95. It's how I did mine.