Exhaust question

[TorquePower]

Alright, right now, I'm poor. I've done a little searching around and couldn't find a straight answer to this question.

What do you think my 94 Grand Am GT 3100 V6 would sound like with the resonator and the catalytic converter removed? I want to bolt on a straight pipe ( Because eventually I'm going to get a 'performance' exhaust ). Now, I know you don't get as much Horsepower as Cat-backs and such, but would it make my car a louder tone?

My friend has a 1988 Honda CRX with the 1.5L Inline 4 and just straight piped and it actually sounds pretty nice with the stock exhaust tip.

and don't give me the "Too loud" B.S. unless it really is. The only thing I've considered loud was my neighbor's 1967 Impala SS with true dual straight pipes...oh man that thing rumbled my house.

[TorquePower]

Oh, I forgot to add in as a note...

I only have 5 dollars on me, and a friend of mine can get me a good fabricated stainless steel pipe ( I was going to get maybe a 2.25"-2.5" depends on my exhaust piping's size, I refuse to lose backpressure. ) my girlfriend's dad fabricates exhaust pipes for his kids and their friends.

[96GreenGaGT]

i have no idea.. i can't really tell you. but if you want a lower deeper tone with the stock exhaust then go to jegs.com or summitracing.com and order a glasspack. it'll get louder and deeper tone with that. and better performance too with the stock catback and resonater. i've heard people taking the resonator off but not the cat. if you take the cat off it won't pass inspection. so just remember that if you want to keep it streetable it needs to be able to pass inspection.

[nice96gt]

It will be "Too loud". It won't sound very good. Just wait to save up for a flowmaster 80 series or something equivalent with the pipe you also mentioned...

[96GreenGaGT]

glasspacks are only like 20 bucks from jegs or summitracing. for exhaust components that's pretty darn cheap. a lot of old street rods use them. i'm gonna put 2 on my gagt. it'll give it a more noticeable sound with the stock gt exhaust. and some improvement in flow and backpressure so i'll get a lil bit of gain in hp but not much. then when i get the money i can do a full exhaust with the glasspacks included as well since i'd already have those i'd be saving a lil bit later on.

it's too bad you're in ohio.. i'd ask if your dad would give me a discount on fiting exhaust for a fellow gaownersclub member. lol

[96GreenGaGT]

sorry i ment to say your girlfriends dad.

[1992grandam]

I have a 95 GAGT and a 95 SE both with 3100s. The GT I had a flowmaster 80 series on it with no cat or ress and 2.5" piping. The SE I just had no cat and no resonator with a cheap dynomax muffler . Let me tell you without the cat and resonator it was LOUD. I thought it sounded decent at the time but nwo that I look back it sounded really obnoxious and too loud.

[1992grandam]

BTW...Id stay away from glasspacks also..

[96GreenGaGT]

what's you take on glasspacks and why stay away from them? just wondering why it would be a bad idea to you?

[Matt95GT]

I've driven/rode in a 95 GT 3100 w/ straight pipes. It really was too loud... enough that everything in the interior rattled the drone of it drowned out the stereo. It still had the cat and resonator. Nice tone, just too loud... you need a muffler(s).

[1992grandam]

Originally posted by 96GreenGaGT
what's you take on glasspacks and why stay away from them? just wondering why it would be a bad idea to you?

Ive heard them before on a 3100 and IMO it sounds really bad.

[96GreenGaGT]

what does it sound like? and was that with stock exhaust or aftermarket? and gt or se package?

[1992grandam]

gt with stock piping. It was just loud and and annoying, it just didnt sound good IMO. Go magnaflow :D

[96GreenGaGT]

well i don't have the money for exhaust right now. that's why i was considering getting glasspacks and then when i got the money replace the mufflers and piping along with the cat.

edit: did the guy you saw with glasspacks on his gt.. did he have 2 glasspacks or just one?

[matt rupke]

i have a glasspack on my ga but i have a 2.4 so it probably would sound different, but in my car its loud, but not to loud, and it gives it a nice low tone, not a high pitch ricer sound. i also still have the cat and ressenator on.

but loud to me is my dads 454 with open headers lol

[car audio dave]

the 3.1 sounds really bad on the glaspacks, plus those mufflers are illegal in some states. the fiberglass is gone after about a year of use and then youve got no muffler, just a big pipe.

if you dont have the $ then dont mod. youll kick yourself a few years down the line when your car is not reliable adn you cant afford to fix it or get a new car. just leave it alone until you can afford to mod it properly.

[matt rupke]

Originally posted by car audio dave
if you dont have the $ then dont mod. youll kick yourself a few years down the line when your car is not reliable adn you cant afford to fix it or get a new car. just leave it alone until you can afford to mod it properly.

yes if u dont have money, just save up and get better mods, $=hp

ive been saving for years, i dont have anything on my ga yet, but i have the turbo, intercooler, charge piping sitting in my room, got all that for about 700 (i love ebay), with 1,000 dollars in the bank waiting to get a manifold, injectors, fuel rail, computer, and all that good stuff.

[TorquePower]

1) A real racer doesn't care about sound systems, infact I'm removing it, I'd rather listen to my engine.

2) If people honestly believe I'm going to keep my 94 Grand Am GT for a while, they have another thing coming. Soon as I save enough money, I'm getting a nice car.

3) I've heard a straight piped 94 Grand Am GT 3100 V6, it sounded okay and nice to me. It had the nice power sound to it, what I'm used to in straight piped car, just not as loud as those.

4) I'm straight piping it once I'm done fixing the gaskets, which should be Sunday or Monday. Then when I get the money I'm going to buy a custom fabricated exhaust.

5) Thanks for everyone's input. :)

[Mike94SE]

Side dump. That is all.

[SilverGA2001]

It'll sound like pooh, but you're from Fairborn, so it won't matter. :)

[96GreenGaGT]

grand ams are pretty nice cars. though if i had enough money on me i'd get an import that would be cheaper to modify. but i'd still modify my grand am. just the import would be more of a daily driver/sleeper car. and the grand am would be show and go only.

[TorquePower]

I'm gonna let that Fairborn comment go. =P, We do have pretty annoying drivers out here and I've heard some horrible exhausts, mainly these catback big muffler imports. My god they're fart cans!

I'm straight piping my car over the cat, I'm keeping my mufflers. =P

[SilverGA2001]

you go to WSU?

[TorquePower]

Nah...I'm still in school. I was going to Greene County Career Center for Auto technology. But I didn't want to go to my other classes, just auto tech, so I ended up being kicked out. But now I go to VIA Academy in Moraine Community School district.

[1992grandam]

Originally posted by TorquePower
I'm gonna let that Fairborn comment go. =P, We do have pretty annoying drivers out here and I've heard some horrible exhausts, mainly these catback big muffler imports. My god they're fart cans!

I'm straight piping my car over the cat, I'm keeping my mufflers. =P

I really wouldnt straight pipe over the cat and resonator as its loud and fairly obnoxious but hey its you car.

[Mike94SE]

Originally posted by 1992grandam
I really wouldnt straight pipe over the cat and resonator as its loud and fairly obnoxious but hey its you car.

Even with an OEM? Figured it would be louder, but not muffled with the factory. Plus it's not getting larger....

Eh do whatever; then learn

[TorquePower]

I'm beginning to notice a stubborn trend.

1) I like loud.
2) Ever been to the drag strips? That's loud.
3) You guys act like you've never drove a 1970 Mustang GT with straight pipes, oh maybe you haven't.
4) I'm beginning to notice that maybe some of your comments come from me being younger than most of you, are you looking down on me? I hope not.
5) I've heard the 3100 straight piped, I want loud.

Oh and obnouxious = Import/Tuner cars. in the SLP or Borla thread, the first link to the sound clips, the first Grand Am = Crap. The second one was okay.

P.s. I can't stand Import/Tuner fart cans.

[1992grandam]

I love loud exhaust but only loud exhaust that sounds GOOD. I had 2 92-95 Style 3100 powered grand ams that were both straight piped and nwo that I look back I was dumb for doing it becuase it sounded like shit. Borla exhaust sounds damn good. Loud exhaust is good when it sounds good. The 3100 does not sound good when its loud but its your car. So do what ya like..

[1992grandam]

BTW...Not all imports with a "fart can" sound bad...

[RocketFast321]

I say drill a few holes in the muffler

[TorquePower]

All Imports = Sound bad. Imports = Suck.

Remember, if you read before, I have no money, and this is just temporary anyway. I do want a borla, magnaflow, or even going as low as an SLP but I have a 94 Grand Am GT and I can exactly find a catback exhaust system for it...would the 3400 catback fit?

Oh...and my friend with the straight piped CRX told me to buy the flowmaster 40 series.

[Mike94SE]

Would you take his advice considering Imports = Suck?

[1992grandam]

Originally posted by TorquePower
All Imports = Sound bad. Imports = Suck.



Oh wow. You are such an ignorant person arent you? Open your ears a little. Many upon many imports sound good. Now IMO most civics dont sound too good BUT many other imports sound very very good. My "Import" does NOT sound bad nor does it suck. Most imports could hand your GA its ass in both drag and the twisties. I know for damn sure mine could. I used to be like you when I was like 16. Used to think all imports sucked. Sorry to burst your bubble buddy but your a closed minded moron.


PS. Yes I know Ill be "warned" for that comment but your just that special.

[TorquePower]

Yeah I'd take his advice. It's his little brother's car, the CRX, he's just driving it right now...

He has a 1991 Buick Regal Gran Sport with straight pipes, his 3800 is bored out to a 4.3L and it runs 14-verge of 13 seconds in a quarter mile with all the extra weight in it.

2 17's, 2 12's, Not sure about the speaks inside the car's cabin itself, but their aftermarket. So yeah...I would take his advice.

infact my Grand Am kept up with his car the Grand Am is about 1000lbs and some change less...and he still beat me.

But imports = suck. Seriously. I haven't lost to one yet, and I don't challenge them anymore, because when I do they just refuse, and the idiots challenge me anyway.

[1992grandam]

omg...ROFL....Dude, the 3100s ARE SLOW. I owned 2 of them and the fastest I ran at the track with either is a mid-high 16. Your such an ignorant person. Why dont you find a decent import to run instead of all the stock cars and then maybe you will find an ass kicking or two. I knwo for sure mine would hand you your ass.

[SilverGA2001]

I've heard plenty of Camaro and Firebirds from all 4 generations with straight pipes. I've heard plenty of crap at the dragstrip. And I still think a 60 degree V6 with straight pipes would sound like pooh. If it's temporary, why bother at all? Just wait til you can buy a Flowmaster? You won't sound like a retard whose muffler fell off in the mean time. But like I said... Fairborn.

And no, a Borla catback for the 99+ won't work for your car.

[RocketFast321]

Originally posted by TorquePower
Yeah I'd take his advice. It's his little brother's car, the CRX, he's just driving it right now...

He has a 1991 Buick Regal Gran Sport with straight pipes, his 3800 is bored out to a 4.3L and it runs 14-verge of 13 seconds in a quarter mile with all the extra weight in it.



A n/a 3800 series I?

[RocketFast321]

Originally posted by TorquePower


But imports = suck. Seriously. I haven't lost to one yet, and I don't challenge them anymore, because when I do they just refuse, and the idiots challenge me anyway.


imports slow? :rofl: I guess ford sucks too :lol:

[RocketFast321]

Originally posted by 1992grandam


PS. Yes I know Ill be "warned" for that comment but your just that special.

Just use this in your next post :twak:

[1992grandam]

Originally posted by RocketFast321
Just use this in your next post :twak:

? WHat do you mean? You think Im offended by you saying Ford sucks?:lol:

[96GreenGaGT]

16's in a grand am? i thought i read somewhere that someone with a stock 3100 in a grand am ran 14 flat. maybe you didn't know how to drive an automatic fwd?

as far as imports beating grand am's anyday... it depends on what's done to them. as well as the grand am. little do you know that the grand am is a giant sleeper car. especially the 96-98 2dr gts. just imagine what 400hp in that small of a car would be like. with ungodly amounts of torque.

i'll race any stock import car. except for the stock turbo'd ones. because that's just plain retarded on my part. any stock n/a import will lose to a grand am. if the person driving the grand am knows how to drive it. because the torque on the ga is much more then an import. and that's the off the line take.

oh btw mines not really stock.. but it has a 3100 in it... just from a chevy van... which equals what?... nothing really... except an extra 20hp and same or more in torque. plus cone filter. so yea it's pretty quick off the line... wonder what kinda 1/4 mile i'm talkin bout...

[RocketFast321]

3100 is like a 16s to high 15s car. The 3400 just makes it at mid to high 15s.

Also what gm van has a 3100? I know the minivans had a 3400, and the weird ones had a 3.1 mpi with like 120hp and 170tq

[1992grandam]

Originally posted by 96GreenGaGT
16's in a grand am? i thought i read somewhere that someone with a stock 3100 in a grand am ran 14 flat. maybe you didn't know how to drive an automatic fwd?

as far as imports beating grand am's anyday... it depends on what's done to them. as well as the grand am. little do you know that the grand am is a giant sleeper car. especially the 96-98 2dr gts. just imagine what 400hp in that small of a car would be like. with ungodly amounts of torque.

i'll race any stock import car. except for the stock turbo'd ones. because that's just plain retarded on my part. any stock n/a import will lose to a grand am. if the person driving the grand am knows how to drive it. because the torque on the ga is much more then an import. and that's the off the line take.

oh btw mines not really stock.. but it has a 3100 in it... just from a chevy van... which equals what?... nothing really... except an extra 20hp and same or more in torque. plus cone filter. so yea it's pretty quick off the line... wonder what kinda 1/4 mile i'm talkin bout...

LMAO...Wow. Ive owned 4 Grand Ams and I know how to drive an automatic fwd car. There isnt much skill to driving a 150 hp Grand Am. Show me a 14 flat stock grand am and ill show you a picture of satans ass. It just isnt happenning. Any stock import will lose to a GA huh....rofl lmao. I could name off a million stock NA imports that would hand any grand am its ass. Granted a GA can beat some imports but not too many. If need be I could name off at least a half dozen off the top of my head if need be.. Oh hell Ill jus do it. ..
Mazda6s MTX- 14.9 stock
06 Civic SI - Low 15 stock
Integra Type R - low 15- high 14 or faster
Integra GSR - mid 14- mid 15
Honda Accord V6 - High 14 stock
Newer Eclipse GT - low 15 stock

And I know a handful of imports in my area with NA stock swaps that would hand any GA its own ass. BTW have you ever heard of Weight to Power ratio? A 150 hp/ 110 lb tq B16 Honda would get out of the hole just as quick if not quicker than a 150 hp/185 lb tq Grand Am. Main reason being a Grand Am weighs 2900ish lbs and that Honda weighs 2100-2300. You need to read up a little bit on things before you start spouting off liek you knwo everything. Oh and you try to get 400 HP in that little GA you have. Unless you have DEEP pockets to do it in the first place and then to fix everything that will break it wont happen. On the other hand with about 4k I can break 300-350 whp on a safe DD tune. Ill need an LSD to be able to put any of that power down but nevertheless I can do it easily and safely. A GA may be a sleeper car IF you have pockets deep enough to make it that...

[TorquePower]

LMAO...Wow. Ive owned 4 Grand Ams and I know how to drive an automatic fwd car. There isnt much skill to driving a 150 hp Grand Am. Show me a 14 flat stock grand am and ill show you a picture of satans ass. It just isnt happenning. Any stock import will lose to a GA huh....rofl lmao. I could name off a million stock NA imports that would hand any grand am its ass. Granted a GA can beat some imports but not too many. If need be I could name off at least a half dozen off the top of my head if need be.. Oh hell Ill jus do it. ..

You're going to call me names? rofl. and no, I'm not going to warn you.

See if you know I didn't hold any truth at all, you wouldn't be getting angry or trying to prove me wrong. What do you have to prove? Except the fact I've beaten Eclipse's before, and yes it seems like you don't know how to drive a fwd auto, there is a trick to it. Tell me in detail how'd you do it if you want to prove me wrong, and I'll tell you if you're right or not. I'll give you a hint, when you take off start in Drive. =)

Oh and uh, the Grand Am DOES NOT HAVE 150 Horsepower...155 =)

Another thing, do you know anything about Honda? The Honda Civic CRX is honda's LIGHTEST cars and they way 2,103 lbs at STOCK. Even the 2 door roadster gross weight is 2,835 lbs. Infact the only car that comes close to the Honda CRX's weight is 2,200 guess what it is? the 1L 3-cyl Honda Insight. The Honda Civic is 2,598 127 horsepower@6300 RPM, 114 ft-lbs of torque@4300 RPM...The thing redlines at 6500 RPM. The Accord is 4,125lbs
160 Horsepower@5500RPM, 161 Ft-lbs of torque@4500RPM...Amazing that Honda started to do something right but they still failed.

I'm still waiting to lose to a Honda or any other import...and half of them weren't even stock.

Another thing you forget RPM's. All of the Honda cars don't get their max horsepower and torque until the higher RPM's, where the american cars tend to have lower RPM's.

Your car runs 15.1? I know a guy with a 94 Grand Am GT, cat back exhaust, ACDelco plugs, CAI, and 97 Octane Fuel, runs 13.8.
He knows how to drive an automatic, obviously, you don't. =)

Note: I'm an Engine Performance mechanic, I study all engines that I can, and all makes and models, because I have to work on them all eventually. Don't forget physics, or aerodynamics either, my GT sits little lower than stock, and I've done slight weight reductions on it.

[TorquePower]

oh and another thing, You don't need DEEP pockets to get a lot of horsepower out of the GA. and they are sleeper cars, stick in a full camshaft and such, and you can easily get about 30 horsepower, and that's just one mod.

[SilverGA2001]

No way in HELL does a GA with those mods run 13.8. My 02 Firebird runs 13.1 on it's best day, and that's with an LS1. My 3.4 starts at 175hp, I have a Cold Air and a better flowing exhaust, and I run 15.2 on a good day. No Chance in Hell.

In fact... Look up GA times yourself. http://www.albeedigital.com/supercoupe/articles/0-60times.html

I've had my ass handed to me by an import before. Running at Kilkare, I was going against an older Nissan Z, maybe a 300zx, sound right? I was doing good until the 1/8th mile, when he comes screaming by me like a bat out of hell.

By the way, when Kilkare opens, tell your friend to bring it to the track, and show me his best. :D

[soless]

the crx is not hondas lightest car....may wanna get ur facts straight before you go shooting off your mouth

[TorquePower]

Was it black?

I know there was an older Nissan 300zx that had a major overhaul in the area.

( 1971 Edelbrock 350 Corvette Engine, Small block ) and it was 30 pounds off perfect balance in the rear ( except when the driver was in the car ).

Even then that Nissan 300ZX was using american muscle. =)

[SilverGA2001]

Nope. just a Nissan 300ZX turbo. And they were fast, faster then anything my GA could muster.


*Edit. Like I said, you bring whatever you want to Kilkare, and I'll be sure to smoke ya... with the GA even. :lol:

[TorquePower]

Okay, my mistake. here's the list of info that was given,

3100 191 CID
Cat cutout
AC Delco r42ltsm
VP C16 Fuel
4T60-E 4 Speed
BFG Drag Radials
Nitrous Works EFI 90 HP

[1992grandam]

Originally posted by TorquePower
You're going to call me names? rofl. and no, I'm not going to warn you.

See if you know I didn't hold any truth at all, you wouldn't be getting angry or trying to prove me wrong. What do you have to prove? Except the fact I've beaten Eclipse's before, and yes it seems like you don't know how to drive a fwd auto, there is a trick to it. Tell me in detail how'd you do it if you want to prove me wrong, and I'll tell you if you're right or not. I'll give you a hint, when you take off start in Drive. =)

Oh and uh, the Grand Am DOES NOT HAVE 150 Horsepower...155 =)

Another thing, do you know anything about Honda? The Honda Civic CRX is honda's LIGHTEST cars and they way 2,103 lbs at STOCK. Even the 2 door roadster gross weight is 2,835 lbs. Infact the only car that comes close to the Honda CRX's weight is 2,200 guess what it is? the 1L 3-cyl Honda Insight. The Honda Civic is 2,598 127 horsepower@6300 RPM, 114 ft-lbs of torque@4300 RPM...The thing redlines at 6500 RPM. The Accord is 4,125lbs
160 Horsepower@5500RPM, 161 Ft-lbs of torque@4500RPM...Amazing that Honda started to do something right but they still failed.

I'm still waiting to lose to a Honda or any other import...and half of them weren't even stock.

Another thing you forget RPM's. All of the Honda cars don't get their max horsepower and torque until the higher RPM's, where the american cars tend to have lower RPM's.

Your car runs 15.1? I know a guy with a 94 Grand Am GT, cat back exhaust, ACDelco plugs, CAI, and 97 Octane Fuel, runs 13.8.
He knows how to drive an automatic, obviously, you don't. =)

Note: I'm an Engine Performance mechanic, I study all engines that I can, and all makes and models, because I have to work on them all eventually. Don't forget physics, or aerodynamics either, my GT sits little lower than stock, and I've done slight weight reductions on it.

Wow...Im not sure where to even start. I guess Ill start by saying one of the fastest NA Grand Ams out there is Xenolith on here who runs a high 13. And hes got a TON done to his car. So your full of shit. So your saying everyone on here doesn't know how to drive their own car, becuase most EVERYONE on here that has taken a 3100 to the track has not run faster than a high 15. And you sir know NOTHING about Hondas. So a Honda Accord V6 weighs as much as small trucks now? Wow...Since when. Most weigh around 3200 lbs. Oh and they have 200 hp and 195 lbs of tq. And have you ever heard of a hatchback? Did ya know Honda makes those too? No Civic Hatches weigh more than 2300ish lbs. And most weigh in the neighborhood of 2000-2100. Civic coupes and Sedans weigh anywhere from 2400-2800.
Too bad you arent in Nebraska. I know of more than a handful of NA imports that would hand you your ass. Mine included. Others include a RSX-S, 350Z, GSR Hatch, Civic SI. And yes Most hondas dont have that power or torque till the high RPMs but do you knwo what the 3100 and 3400 do when they get to 3rd-4th gear? They fall flat on thier face. I can argue all day with you about this as Your wrong on pretty much everything you say.

[1992grandam]

Originally posted by TorquePower
Okay, my mistake. here's the list of info that was given,

3100 191 CID
Cat cutout
AC Delco r42ltsm
VP C16 Fuel
4T60-E 4 Speed
BFG Drag Radials
Nitrous Works EFI 90 HP


Still dont beleive it. Your still full of shit.

[SilverGA2001]

Originally posted by 1992grandam
Wow...Im not sure where to even start. I guess Ill start by saying one of the fastest NA Grand Ams out there is Xenolith on here who runs a high 13. And hes got a TON done to his car. So your full of shit. So your saying everyone on here doesn't know how to drive their own car, becuase most EVERYONE on here that has taken a 3100 to the track has not run faster than a high 15. And you sir know NOTHING about Hondas. So a Honda Accord V6 weighs as much as small trucks now? Wow...Since when. Most weigh around 3200 lbs. Oh and they have 200 hp and 195 lbs of tq. And have you ever heard of a hatchback? Did ya know Honda makes those too? No Civic Hatches weigh more than 2300ish lbs. And most weigh in the neighborhood of 2000-2100. Civic coupes and Sedans weigh anywhere from 2400-2800.
Too bad you arent in Nebraska. I know of more than a handful of NA imports that would hand you your ass. Mine included. Others include a RSX-S, 350Z, GSR Hatch, Civic SI. And yes Most hondas dont have that power or torque till the high RPMs but do you knwo what the 3100 and 3400 do when they get to 3rd-4th gear? They fall flat on thier face. I can argue all day with you about this as Your wrong on pretty much everything you say.


Relax, I'm gonna call him out for ya. He lives less then 20 miles from me and we go to the same track apparently. :D

And we'll see how fast that guy's GA is without the NAAAAWSSSSS. :nx:

[1992grandam]

Originally posted by SilverGA2001
Relax, I'm gonna call him out for ya. He lives less then 20 miles from me and we go to the same track apparently. :D

And we'll see how fast that guy's GA is without the NAAAAWSSSSS. :nx:

LOL....Just watch that guy run a 16...>Get a vid while your at it. So then I can tell him he can't drive a FWD Auto. :lol:

[TorquePower]

Oh my god. You're annoying now.

Re-read my honda paragraph. WHERE did I say Honda Accord V6? Want me to prove you wrong anyway?
Here's a list of all the 05 Honda's

Honda Accord Coupe V6 240 Horsepower, 212 ft-lbs of torque
Gross Weight = 4,300

Honda Accord Coupe I4 160 Horsepower, 161 Ft-lbs of torque
Gross Weight = 4,125

Honda Civic SI Hatchback I4 160 Horsepower, 132 ft-lbs of torque
Curb Weight = 2,782
(Gross weight not listed)

Honda Insight STD Hatchback 3-Cyl 73 Horsepower, 79 Ft-lbs of torque
Gross Weight = 2,250

Honda S2000 STD Convertible I4 240 Horsepower, 162 ft-lbs of torque
Gross Weight = 2,835

Need I keep on going?

http://www.edmunds.com/used/honda/index.html

Find a Honda that even comes close to the Honda CRX's weight, I'm telling you they're the lightest honda's.

[TorquePower]

Why are you getting so angry anyway? and defensive? Need to make up for a lack of something?

[TorquePower]

Hey silver, what kind of mods do you have to your Grand Am? I want to race your car one day for the hell of it.

[SilverGA2001]

Originally posted by TorquePower
Oh my god. You're annoying now.

Re-read my honda paragraph. WHERE did I say Honda Accord V6? Want me to prove you wrong anyway?
Here's a list of all the 05 Honda's

Honda Accord Coupe V6 240 Horsepower, 212 ft-lbs of torque
Gross Weight = 4,300

Honda Accord Coupe I4 160 Horsepower, 161 Ft-lbs of torque
Gross Weight = 4,125

Honda Civic SI Hatchback I4 160 Horsepower, 132 ft-lbs of torque
Curb Weight = 2,782
(Gross weight not listed)

Honda Insight STD Hatchback 3-Cyl 73 Horsepower, 79 Ft-lbs of torque
Gross Weight = 2,250

Honda S2000 STD Convertible I4 240 Horsepower, 162 ft-lbs of torque
Gross Weight = 2,835

Need I keep on going?

http://www.edmunds.com/used/honda/index.html

Find a Honda that even comes close to the Honda CRX's weight, I'm telling you they're the lightest honda's.

Hey buddy, learn the difference between Gross weight and curb weight. :lol:

http://www.edmunds.com/new/2006/honda/accord/100640408/specs.html

Funny, Honda's website lists the Accord V6 a FULL 1,000 pounds lighter then what you say, for CURB weight, which is what you go by.

For comparison of CURB weight, here's a 2006 Grand Prix GXP, with the V8.

http://www.edmunds.com/new/2006/pontiac/grandprix/100543802/specs.html

[TorquePower]

That's the 06 Accord, look, I did those all from 05's, and that link is from the source I got it.

[1992grandam]

Sigh...The gross weight of the car isnt not how much the car itself weighs. Thats the CURB WEIGHT. Idiot. As far as hondas as light as a crx here ya go..
http://www.edmunds.com/used/1992/honda/civic/3898/specs.html
http://www.edmunds.com/used/1993/honda/civic/11560/specs.html
http://www.edmunds.com/used/1995/honda/civic/4216/specs.html
http://www.edmunds.com/used/1998/honda/civic/14544/specs.html
http://www.edmunds.com/used/2000/honda/civic/3262/specs.html
http://www.edmunds.com/used/2000/honda/civic/3253/specs.html

And thats Just a sample.

[1992grandam]

And the V6 Accord from 2005
http://www.edmunds.com/used/2005/honda/accord/100452190/specs.html
Exterior
Length: 187.6 in. Width: 71.3 in.
Height: 55.7 in. Wheel Base: 105.1 in.
Curb Weight: 3318 lbs.(<<OMG REALLY?!) Gross Weight: 4300 lbs.

[TorquePower]

I use gross weight because you have to add in the driver, and probably interior modifications that will add up too.

[SilverGA2001]

:roflmfao:



Fairborn strikes again.

[1992grandam]

OMG...Now you really have just showed your ignorance. The curb weight = what the whole car would weigh if u drove it off the factory floor onto a scale. A driver would add maybe 200ish lbs.

[TorquePower]

Okay honestly, where is your argument going? What is your purpose? Are you trying to make me change my mind? Not gonna happen

Imports = Suck.

Are you trying to prove me wrong? Not gonna happen,

Honda Civic CRX is still the lightest car, and I handed it's ass to the 5 speed manual.

It has weight reduction to the point it only has a heater ( the only accessory ). CAI, and not that much more. He's dropping a B16 in it, and by that time I'm going to have more modficiations as well...

The only 4 banger engine I won't race = K20A2 with the K2 camshaft. 312 Horsepower 217 ft-lbs of torque.

[TorquePower]

Curb Weight is the actual weight of the car or truck without any passengers or cargo in it. It’s the base weight that is used in subtraction to calculate the total weight of the vehicle with passengers and cargo.

Gross Vehicle Weight is the total weight of the loaded vehicle. This includes the vehicle itself and the cargo that is loaded within that vehicle.

Gross Vehicle Weight Ratings are the ratings that are calculated by the manufacturers as to be the amount of weight that the vehicle will be when the vehicle itself is weighed filled with gasoline and loaded according to manufacturer’s specifications.

[1992grandam]

Ok I posted at least a few links to Hondas that were LIGHTER than a CRX. Are you seriously that ignorant? Wow. Its people liek you who make me ashamed I even owned a Grand Am.

[1992grandam]

Come to nebraska. Ill show you many NA 4 bangers that would hand any Grand Am its ass. Your so ignorant its funny.

[SilverGA2001]

From that link I posted before... (since I know you didn't look at it...) http://www.albeedigital.com/supercoupe/articles/0-60times.html

Honda CRX Times.

1984 Honda (Civic) CRX 10.1 17.6
1986 Honda (Civic) CRX Si 8.7 16.7
1988 Honda CRX Si 8.2 16.4
1991 Honda CRX Si 8.7 16.5

[SilverGA2001]

Originally posted by 1992grandam
Come to nebraska. Ill show you many NA 4 bangers that would hand any Grand Am its ass. Your so ignorant its funny.


This isn't even about what would beat a GA anymore, as much as it is watching what he says next. Lets just stop beating up on the GA's, it's not their fault he drives one. :lol:

[TorquePower]

http://www.edmunds.com/used/1991/honda/civiccrx/3923/specs.html

1900 lbs. My point proven.

[1992grandam]

Originally posted by SilverGA2001
This isn't even about what would beat a GA anymore, as much as it is watching what he says next. Lets just stop beating up on the GA's, it's not their fault he drives one. :lol:

Well don't get me wrong. I still love the newer GTs but this dumbshit thinks his 3100 is god. Im sorry but anyone who thinks a 3100 powered GA runs a 14 flat is a ****ing idiot. Thats ignorance at its finest.

[TorquePower]

Ignorant? The proper word would be. Arrogant, or Stubborn. Not Ignorant.

You do seem to be lacking in grammar, I felt I should help you come up with a few extra words that were more proper to call me.
You forgot to check the 91 Honda Civic CRX's curb weight, 1967lbs. Like I said, lightest.

and when did I say a Grand Am could beat any Import? I just said Imports suck. Stop putting words in my mouth to try and catch the upper hand of the argument, that you don't seem to be able to grasp the concept of.

[TorquePower]

Well don't get me wrong. I still love the newer GTs but this dumbshit thinks his 3100 is god. Im sorry but anyone who thinks a 3100 powered GA runs a 14 flat is a ****ing idiot. Thats ignorance at its finest.

When did I say my 3100 could run 14's? I'm doing a 3400 LA1 engine swap from the Oldsmobile Silhouette or Pontiac Montana ( 185 horsepower/210 ft-lbs of torque ).

Like I said, stop putting words in my mouth that I never said.

[1992grandam]

Thinking a 3100 powered GA = 14 second 1/4 mile = Complete ignorance.

[1992grandam]

hmm

[TorquePower]

Well don't get me wrong. I still love the newer GTs but this dumbshit thinks his 3100 is god. Im sorry but anyone who thinks a 3100 powered GA runs a 14 flat is a ****ing idiot. Thats ignorance at its finest.

But you said that, are you saying you didn't now?

I've seen the damn paper from Kil-kare, His name was Eric, not sure about the last name, but he was in my GCCC Automotive Technology classroom.

It won't even do 14's anymore, the Nitrous Works eventually blew the engine, and he sent it to the junkyard.

[TorquePower]

That's not my post.

[Mike94SE]

If you're near Canton, say hi to my ex.



You both have a lot in common

[TorquePower]

Canton? Been there once, but I wouldn't consider it close.

I have a tendancy to be stubborn, I learn from mistakes.

[DontPassTheFence]

So wait, the 3100 engine is ultimate now?? Everyone knows Grand Ams are marginally faster than civics and other SLOW honda/acura cars... I beat an civic with my a/c on full blast, whoop dee doo. This shoudl be in racing section!!! RACING I SAY! STREET RACING IS FOR THE WIN! Vin Diesel could make my car go 9 seconds flat, withOUT danger to manifold.

[DontPassTheFence]

anyone remember this handy internet meme?

http://coppermine.mirror-world.de/albums/funny/normal_honda_vs_special_olympics.jpg

[1992grandam]

Originally posted by DontPassTheFence
anyone remember this handy internet meme?

http://coppermine.mirror-world.de/albums/funny/normal_honda_vs_special_olympics.jpg

:lol: I know of a few hondas that would eat any GAs.

[SilverGA2001]

Originally posted by DontPassTheFence
This shoudl be in racing section!!! RACING I SAY! STREET RACING IS FOR THE WIN!

I submitted something about having this moved to the racing section. I guess they didn't think it needed it? :idunno:

[DontPassTheFence]

Hey, those hondas dont count. Im talking about ricer boy down the street withhis MAD MODZ YO, and JDM tight BS going on. Or a stock 89 CRX Si that the owner THINKS is fast just because of that Si emblem...

Ive had my ass handed to me by a fair share of imports as well. 02 RSX Type-S; from about 30 on the free way onramp, I take a good 5 car length lead, and as Im approaching 80 miles per hour, about to shift to fourth, he just BLOWS by me, and I struggle to watch his taillights disappear into the darkness, at about 110mph.

[DontPassTheFence]

or that time I went to the track only to out-launch an mr-2 turbo, 2 rsx type-S, and 2 dodge neon srts, just ot have them go roaring by me right after the 60'. I tell you, my r/ts are dead on (each less than .301) but the car just doesnt have any guts above 5k rpm, and only about 155hp when it gets there

[DontPassTheFence]

^^ thats why my car is pretty; it has to compensate for its slowness. :D

And what happened to the original poster?

[1992grandam]

He uh realized he was wrong and ran away lol. Your a smart kid Matt. Ill give ya that :D Plus the GT looks pretty good.

[SilverGA2001]

I've never really had it handed to me except at the track(of course I very very very rarely race outside of a dragstrip, unless someone really pisses me off), by that Nissan. I raced a 2001 Eclipse V6 at the track, and he was a tenth faster at 15.1 to my 15.2. We talked afterward, his best was 15.0 with a CAI. It was a good match up.

[DontPassTheFence]

Yea I am, all these years of being wrong finally paid off :D Thanks, I try my best to keep the GA looking better than it runs :lol:

[1992grandam]

Originally posted by DontPassTheFence
Yea I am, all these years of being wrong finally paid off :D Thanks, I try my best to keep the GA looking better than it runs :lol:

:lol: As do I, As do I.....Although mine runs pretty hard. :D

[DontPassTheFence]

damn mazda 6 always makes me drool, and I even got to test drive one. Man, that thing is abeast out of the box -- I just wish I had enough $$ for a 6 or an RX-8 (although I hear the RX-8s are pretty steep on the maintenance)

[1992grandam]

Originally posted by DontPassTheFence
damn mazda 6 always makes me drool, and I even got to test drive one. Man, that thing is abeast out of the box -- I just wish I had enough $$ for a 6 or an RX-8 (although I hear the RX-8s are pretty steep on the maintenance)

Did you test drive a MTX or ATX? And yeah They are fun cars to drive. I have a few more mods on the way and boost will come next summer. Boy do I love money.

[DontPassTheFence]

I got to drive one with the manual, since I hate automatic cars, I cant drive them anymore! I fall asleep at the wheel!

I also test drove an 03 Eclipse GTS or GST I forget the order of the letters, that thing had a 6 speed gearbox, and it was sweet as well, definitely faster than the ol' Grand Am, with all this import talk I know my next car is gonna be an import. I'll miss you, Pontiac! :pontiac:

[1992grandam]

Originally posted by DontPassTheFence
I got to drive one with the manual, since I hate automatic cars, I cant drive them anymore! I fall asleep at the wheel!

I also test drove an 03 Eclipse GTS or GST I forget the order of the letters, that thing had a 6 speed gearbox, and it was sweet as well, definitely faster than the ol' Grand Am, with all this import talk I know my next car is gonna be an import. I'll miss you, Pontiac! :pontiac:

Ill admit I used to hate import cars as well...But hey, they tend to grow on you. Plus they are money pits....Ive spent 3500 already and plan on at least 5k more. :lol:

[DontPassTheFence]

I can attest to any car being a moneypit if you do it right. My total on the Grand Am is about half of the MSRP on an 05 RX-8, and that makes me saddddddddd!

[1992grandam]

I wanted a Mazdaspeed Miata or MS6...The MS6 was to $$ though and the MSM was RWD(Which theres nothing wrong with RWD except that I Live in NEBRASKA) lol

[TorquePower]

Jesus, why don't people read right? I never said my 3100 was ultimate. Infact, I dissed on it. It's a peice of royal sh*t. I've already put $800 of maintenance, just because the son of a b*tch before me didn't take care of it. I didn't find out until after I bought it he let the car sit a whole year...by my friend's 96 Grand Am SE's 3100 it has 186,000 on it and it runs better than mine.

I just thought of something would the 3.4 from the 95 Grand Prix GTP fit in the GA?

[SilverGA2001]

No.

[TorquePower]

If you have to go with an "import" buy a Mazda. It's not really an import considering Ford freakin' owns it.

[SilverGA2001]

No.

[SilverGA2001]

wtf just happened here....

[TorquePower]

No clue.

[1992grandam]

Originally posted by TorquePower
If you have to go with an "import" buy a Mazda. It's not really an import considering Ford freakin' owns it.

Ford owns about 20% of Mazda....Not enough to be worth a shit.

[TorquePower]

their listed fourth on Ford's site, infact, any of the car companies on Ford or GM...I consider them that manufacturer's biatch.

[DontPassTheFence]

There are mazda parts and there are ford parts, some mazdas use some ford parts, and some fords use mazda parts, it depends. But to say mazda isnt an import car is to be blinded by ignorance. Also, you CAN 3400 SFI, its easy, but swapping a 3.4L twin dual cam (the lq1 engine) is a waste of time since it will never fit correctly, and that engine is more of a money pit than a beat up 3100SFi such as yours. Tough it out with the 3100SFI, drop in a new 3100SFI, 3400 swap it, or just buy a new car

[SilverGA2001]

Originally posted by DontPassTheFence
There are mazda parts and there are ford parts, some mazdas use some ford parts, and some fords use mazda parts, it depends. But to say mazda isnt an import car is to be blinded by ignorance. Also, you CAN 3400 SFI, its easy, but swapping a 3.4L twin dual cam (the lq1 engine) is a waste of time since it will never fit correctly, and that engine is more of a money pit than a beat up 3100SFi such as yours. Tough it out with the 3100SFI, drop in a new 3100SFI, 3400 swap it, or just buy a new car

I think he was talking about the 3.4 dohc.

[1992grandam]

Wow. Your an idiot. Mazda creates thier own cars. They only have a few platforms shared with Ford. Regardless of who owns who. My car is still a Mazda, and not a ford.

[DontPassTheFence]

True that, a mazda is a mazda. In fact, Im driving a Mazda RX-7 right now in need for speed: MW :lol: This sure isn't any Ford Ive ever seen, damn thing is SEXY, its too bad they stopped making them entirely

[DontPassTheFence]

Originally posted by SilverGA2001
I think he was talking about the 3.4 dohc.

thats what I figured since the 95 GPs came with that engine, as well as the option of a few others, that and the3400SFI didnt exist in 95

[SilverGA2001]

Mazda may design their cars, but Ford does get input into them. So it's not entirely exclusive.

[TorquePower]

How many times must I say...

I'm putting in the 3400 from an Oldsmobile Silhouette or Pontiac Montana.

I'm not going to argue again damn it. First of all, 1992grandam, every-damn-thing I say you have to make a little comment, like a little child. Grow up and grow some hair on your balls or something, it's really irritating, like having a dog constantly knipping at your heels. I'm not arguing with you anymore, you're bullheaded just like me.

I'm going to bed anyway. Toodles.

[SilverGA2001]

well this is a :whore: thread.

[1992grandam]

Originally posted by TorquePower
How many times must I say...

I'm putting in the 3400 from an Oldsmobile Silhouette or Pontiac Montana.

I'm not going to argue again damn it. First of all, 1992grandam, every-damn-thing I say you have to make a little comment, like a little child. Grow up and grow some hair on your balls or something, it's really irritating, like having a dog constantly knipping at your heels. I'm not arguing with you anymore, you're bullheaded just like me.

I'm going to bed anyway. Toodles.

Sorry. I just hate when dumbasses like you make us all look like idiots. I dont tolerate ingorance or stupidity very well.

[DontPassTheFence]

But you said the 3.4L from a 95 Grand Prix!! shit dude, you are all over the place. But 3400SFI is the way to go, its a damn good motor once you fix the leak-prone LIM.

[crash6x86]

ignorant = 1. Lacking education or knowledge.

2. Showing or arising from a lack of education or knowledge: an ignorant mistake.

3. Unaware or uninformed.

so i would say that is the correct word he was calling you.

ignorant asinine would be even better....i dont know....

[Matt95GT]

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[99GrandAMSE]

... what is it with people these days ... does having an Internet connection give everyone the right to bad mouth people, become total a$$holes and not give a $hit about others and their feelings?!?!?!!?!?! ... mark my words, if this bull$hit keeps up you won't have to worry about having a place to act childish on.

... and, if anyone has a beef or wants to bitch about anything I have said, you all know my email address but just in case ...

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