Breather

[GrandAmSSE]

I replaced my oil cap with a breather. Its not 100% snug. Its like 80%. Can this cause a problem.

[96GreenGaGT]

it might it might not. i'm not sure on that one. post a picture of it. first i've heard anyone doing this.

[Mike94SE]

Umm.... Clamps come with them.

[skateswitch97]

ive never really figured out what those things are, dont people use them on their crank cases?

[Bjornboy81]

They usually have them on the PVC valve...I think.

Why put one where the oil cap goes??? It's probably just going to clog up with splashing oil anyways.

[GrandAmSSE]

It wouldn't come out just by like slapping it.

[Bjornboy81]

Oh for the love of God, clean that engine!!!! :eek:

[sunrunner_pei]

A breather is generally used in place of the PCV valve, not the oil cap. Put your oil cap back on!

[GrandAmSSE]

Where the hells the PVC valve then?

[sunrunner_pei]

Originally posted by GrandAmSSE
Where the hells the PVC valve then?

Here:

[GrandAmSSE]

So just take that off and pop in the cap.

[Mike94SE]

Oh God.....

[GrandAmSSE]

Ok installed. I capped off what was left of that old tube.

[Big Joe]

Originally posted by Bjornboy81
Oh for the love of God, clean that engine!!!! :eek:

The car is over 10 years old, give him a break. I'm pretty anal about things being clean on my car and the engine still isnt really that great.

[GrandAmSSE]

I've tried to cleans it. Its like the dirt is in the metal. That breather wasn't going in without a fight. Notice the engine mount right where it needs to be. Anyways does anyone know where I can get green metalic valve covers?

[angrysk8r]

Originally posted by GrandAmSSE
I've tried to cleans it. Its like the dirt is in the metal. That breather wasn't going in without a fight. Notice the engine mount right where it needs to be. Anyways does anyone know where I can get green metalic valve covers?

You could paint your own with $5 worth of high heat paint. Just get a haynes manual if you dont know how and just remove the covers yourself instead of spending a crap load more money than you need to.

btw i'd consider cleaning them off first before painting :P

[GrandAmSSE]

Yeah but green metalics tricky for me. I've only made one good metalic in my life. It was a Baldwin corvette model and I put silver and then blue. Look great but I've never been able to repeat. Plus I'd have to get new gaskets. Plus how the hell do I get to the back Valve cover. I can't see it.

[angrysk8r]

Originally posted by GrandAmSSE
Yeah but green metalics tricky for me. I've only made one good metalic in my life. It was a Baldwin corvette model and I put silver and then blue. Look great but I've never been able to repeat. Plus I'd have to get new gaskets. Plus how the hell do I get to the back Valve cover. I can't see it.

....wait.....if you got new valve covers....wouldn't you have to get new gaskets and have to remove the back cover anyway???
If you dont know how to remove it, get a haynes manual or do a quick forum search

Btw....green metallic spraypaint isn't very hard to apply. If need be, practice on something else first before you go straight to the valve covers.

[GrandAmSSE]

I just figure if I have to take it off I might as well replace them. The shape is just ugly. How many days do you think that would take?

[angrysk8r]

Originally posted by GrandAmSSE
I just figure if I have to take it off I might as well replace them. The shape is just ugly. How many days do you think that would take?


well if theyre in ugly shape...just clean them up a little bit. Perhaps even lightly sand them with some fine sand paper to smooth the outside a little bit.

but timewise, to take them off.....a half hour (unless you dont really know what youre doing....in that case may be several hours). to paint them it'll take may be a little over an hour to get all the coats on, probably a day to dry, and may be another day to fully cure.

but if you manage to find new ones in metallic green (very unlikely) it may take up to 2 weeks for you to order and for them to ship.

it also depends on how much you're willing to pay....you may end up paying well over a $100 just to get new valve covers that you really dont need

[GrandAmSSE]

So call it a 3 day weekend. Start Friday afternoon, end Sunday night. Moroso makes them just not for my engine.

[urweak]

Why in the world is this in the performance area. Put your car back to stock!!!! You keep screwing up everything you do to that car.

[GrandAmSSE]

Where else should something about the "Performance" of my engine go?

[angrysk8r]

Originally posted by GrandAmSSE
Where else should something about the "Performance" of my engine go?

breathers and valve covers dont add power

[Mike94SE]

How's about repairing the e-Brake you demolished?

[eric99gt]

put that damn PCV back in. Your computer is using information from that. Stop adding cheap stuff. It's no good.

[GrandAmSSE]

I just said performance, not power. As for the E-brake. Maybe when I get some Non-slip pedal faces I will.

[angrysk8r]

Originally posted by GrandAmSSE
I just said performance, not power

wtf

anyways....save your money...put it somewhere so you dont spend it...and buy something later....right now you're spending money on nothing...save it and buy headers, or a cam, or a new pcm...or something worth money

[urweak]

i beat this kid never gets it, and starts getting all emo and then leaves.

[GrandAmSSE]

I have a turbo waiting to be put in. Why would I want even more power? I'm going for looks now. I'm think some green plug wires would look nice.

[Nacho]

About the PCV(positive crankcase ventilation valve) and breather they are not the same thing or use in place of one another, in older cars they had them both. a PCV valve allows some of the fumes that build up in your crankcase to be reburned for better emmisions. where as a breather i believe allows fresh air to be drawn into the crankcase so they're not the same thing, one gets rid of it one brings in the good stuff. to put it simply. but i could be wrong lol.

Oh and grandamsse what size turbo do you have for it, do you have a kit or just a turbo and some duct tape.

[urweak]

Originally posted by Nacho
Oh and grandamsse what size turbo do you have for it, do you have a kit or just a turbo and some duct tape.

lol, x2 what are the specs on the turbo. A/R on the hot and cold sides. and all that good stuff. What are you using for managment, manifolds? anything else?

[SikMindz]

Originally posted by urweak
lol, x2 what are the specs on the turbo. A/R on the hot and cold sides. and all that good stuff. What are you using for managment, manifolds? anything else?

He doesn't know. :roll2: :P

http://www.gaownersclub.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=53211&highlight=turbo

God these threads are amusing. :lol:

[Matt95GT]

Originally posted by GrandAmSSE
I just said performance, not power.

And a breather is doing neither. Unless you have a specific reason for eliminating the PCV system (boost), there's no reason to start throwing breathers in there.

[Dargasonus]

most definately...you buy it and you don't even know where it goes?

are you going to change out your busted ebrakes pull lever for a fart can next?

[Bouchie11982]

Originally posted by Big Joe
The car is over 10 years old, give him a break. I'm pretty anal about things being clean on my car and the engine still isnt really that great.
I agree! i had a hard ass time cleaning my 94...so i said screw it...

[sunrunner_pei]

:shake:

Guys, keep this civil. We're all here to learn, no need for personal insults and the like. this will be my final warning on the subject.

[Bjornboy81]

Originally posted by Big Joe
The car is over 10 years old, give him a break. I'm pretty anal about things being clean on my car and the engine still isnt really that great. lol...I wasn't actually being mean about it :D I realize it's old and there's something that can't be cleaned to look new, but a good once over would do wonders.

Sorry if you took it that way Bill :)

[skateswitch97]

turbo huh, do you have an innercooler and new manifolds, are you redoing all the exhaust piping your self? new fuel rails and injectors? running it with stock ignition and management i dont know if that will go over good,seems like alot of people say stuff about turbos but have no clue, we will see

[Bouchie11982]

what i dont understand Bill, if your not looking for performance, then why did you get that makeshift "filter+supercharge" thingamajig? (turbo + engine=performance & power) I mean i honestly don't know if YOU know that when you modify the engine you are more then likely going for performance. but you say your going just for looks....:???: then do some "looks" modifications, you were half way there with taking you wing and scoop off and all of a sudden you kinda went back down hill. PLEASE do research before you buy crap from Ebay.
If you want to turbo or supercharge your grand am, that's cool, but do research first! your car wasn't built to be modified that easily.
GrandamSSE: I have a turbo waiting to be put in. Why would I want even more power? I'm going for looks now. I'm think some green plug wires would look nice.
you pretty much made an oxymoron there....and for the wires, i don't think they come in green, just the basic colors, yellow, red and blue (or black)

[TA^Guy]

Originally posted by Bjornboy81
They usually have them on the PVC valve...I think.

Where the oil fill is and the PCV valve are basically the same.

Only difference is that the PCV valve has a shield over it to keep oil from splashing up. But to be honest you could remove your valve cover with the motor running and it's doesn't splash as much oil as one may think.
Originally posted by skateswitch97
ive never really figured out what those things are, dont people use them on their crank cases?
A breather is usually found on the valve cover to vent unburnt gasses found with in the crankcase. If it was on the crankcase it's self oil would pour right out of it.
There was a member on GAGT.com that used a breather made for a LT1 on his LA1 in place of his oil cap. His reason for using it was because he was told that it would help reduce pressure in the oil gully and help prevent the LIM leak. He went though 3 LIM before installing it, IIRC he never had a problem after. Originally posted by Nacho
About the PCV(positive crankcase ventilation valve) and breather they are not the same thing or use in place of one another, in older cars they had them both. a PCV valve allows some of the fumes that build up in your crankcase to be reburned for better emmisions. where as a breather i believe allows fresh air to be drawn into the crankcase so they're not the same thing, one gets rid of it one brings in the good stuff. to put it simply. but i could be wrong lol.

Actually you are wrong.

In older, none emission vehicles a breather simply allowed gasses built up in the crank case to vent out into the atmophire. The PCV valve replaces a breather on car with emissions so that unburn gasses caused by blow by and other lingering gasses to be recirculated back into the intake to be reburnt.

[Nacho]

Originally posted by TA^Guy

Actually you are wrong.

In older, none emission vehicles a breather simply allowed gasses built up in the crank case to vent out into the atmophire. The PCV valve replaces a breather on car with emissions so that unburn gasses caused by blow by and other lingering gasses to be recirculated back into the intake to be reburnt.

Well I was right about the PCV, was a little confused about the breather, my old thunderbird actually has both a pcv valve attached to the oil cap and a breather that is attached to the inside of the air filter element, but still a pcv and breather arent the same thing, the breather as you said allows the fumes to vent while the pcv valve allows them to be reburned.

[TA^Guy]

Originally posted by Nacho
Well I was right about the PCV, was a little confused about the breather, my old thunderbird actually has both a pcv valve attached to the oil cap and a breather that is attached to the inside of the air filter element, but still a pcv and breather arent the same thing, the breather as you said allows the fumes to vent while the pcv valve allows them to be reburned. They are they same. One is just emissions, one is for non-emission vehicles.

Your T-bird is no different than any other car with a PCV. The gas go from the crankcase (usually pulled from the valve cover) to the intake (usually after the airfilter, before the throttle body/carburator).

BOTH PCV and a Breather vent crankgas gasses, that is their function on a internal combustion engine. Period.

The only difference is that one dumps into the atmosphire, the other back into the motor to please all the tree hugging hippes.

It's like saying casted exhaust manifolds and tubular headers don't provide the same fuction.

Or better yet a blow off valve that dumps into the atmosphire does the same thing as a blow of valve that dumps back into the intake.

They both provide the same function on the motor therefor making essentially the same thing.

[Nacho]

Originally posted by TA^Guy
They are they same. One is just emissions, one is for non-emission vehicles.

Your T-bird is no different than any other car with a PCV. The gas go from the crankcase (usually pulled from the valve cover) to the intake (usually after the airfilter, before the throttle body/carburator).

BOTH PCV and a Breather vent crankgas gasses, that is their function on a internal combustion engine. Period.

The only difference is that one dumps into the atmosphire, the other back into the motor to please all the tree hugging hippes.

It's like saying casted exhaust manifolds and tubular headers don't provide the same fuction.

Or better yet a blow off valve that dumps into the atmosphire does the same thing as a blow of valve that dumps back into the intake.

They both provide the same function on the motor therefor making essentially the same thing.

lol were splitting hairs here, essentially i dont see them as the same thing yes they both vent gasses, but one is into the atmosphere one is to be reburned. so essentially yes they are the same but they are also not the same. the PCV valve has an extra step. to appease the hippies you talked about lol.

[TA^Guy]

Splitting hairs you are correct.

Think of a PCV valve as a breather with a tube on it.
Or a breather that directs the gasses to a specific place, because really it's just a glorified breather.

Snow tires and summer tires provide the same function on a passenger vehicle, just like a breather and a PCV valve.

[rabidpanda69]

Originally posted by TA^Guy

There was a member on GAGT.com that used a breather made for a LT1 on his LA1 in place of his oil cap. His reason for using it was because he was told that it would help reduce pressure in the oil gully and help prevent the LIM leak. He went though 3 LIM before installing it, IIRC he never had a problem after.


Wait, has anyone else tried that? I havent heard it before, you think it's worth the money to try it? Not that I've been having serious LIM issues, I'm just curious.

[TA^Guy]

I don't kno wanyone else who has done it other than him.

I personally do not see how it will help. There isn't enough pressure under there to be a issue. Plus IMO if it were a force that makes it leak, it would be a pressurized cooling system.

Thats just my $.02

[Nacho]

Originally posted by TA^Guy
Splitting hairs you are correct.

Think of a PCV valve as a breather with a tube on it.
Or a breather that directs the gasses to a specific place, because really it's just a glorified breather.

Snow tires and summer tires provide the same function on a passenger vehicle, just like a breather and a PCV valve.

although a breather doesnt have any valves in it, like when u shake a pcv valve you hear it. how bout we leave it at we both know what were talking bout. and pcv's and breathers are both special in their own way lol.

[GrandAmSSE]

I can't believe this. Its like for example, If you're talking about light bulb and then two people start agruing about if its lamp or light.

[rabidpanda69]

More like an exposed light bulb and one with a lamp shade. As they both said, they're splitting hairs.

[TA^Guy]

OMG, whatever, they are different. Totally different like a muffler and a airfilter. :roll:

BTW, FYI not all PCV have a actual valve in them. Many would just be a tube, sometimes with a foam filter.

[Mike94SE]

Did your engine asplode yet?

[Dargasonus]

Originally posted by GrandAmSSE
I can't believe this. Its like for example, If you're talking about light bulb and then two people start agruing about if its lamp or light.

I find their conversation to be more interesting that looking at pics of a breather where your oil cap should be. But I guess thats just my opinion.

[Bouchie11982]

Originally posted by Dargasonus
I find their conversation to be more interesting that looking at pics of a breather where your oil cap should be. But I guess thats just my opinion.
:agree: x2

[Bjornboy81]

Wait for it...wait for it....:padlock2:

Man, I kinda feel bad for this kid, but at the same time, you gotta learn! Ignorance will only fly for so long before people become annoyed...I think we're at that point.

[Themeneea]

i know a few GP's have have breathers for oil caps becuase there pumping out over 450HP

[TA^Guy]

Originally posted by Themeneea
i know a few GP's have have breathers for oil caps becuase there pumping out over 450HP What's does how much power they have to do with anything?
Originally posted by Mike94SE
Did your engine asplode yet?
:roll: Seriously, do you ever post anything valuble?
Don't bother replying, we all know the answer anyhow.

[Dargasonus]

Originally posted by Bjornboy81
Wait for it...wait for it....:padlock2:

Man, I kinda feel bad for this kid, but at the same time, you gotta learn! Ignorance will only fly for so long before people become annoyed...I think we're at that point.

I wonder how old he is...:roll2:
He wont take advice..he has a 'screw joo critojizm ima do et ne-way' attitude

[Bjornboy81]

Originally posted by Dargasonus
I wonder how old he is...:roll2:
He wont take advice..he has a 'screw joo critojizm ima do et ne-way' attitude I'm gonna say he's the typical damn immature 18 year old! :D

[Matt95GT]

Looks like anything useful has already been said.

http://www.forumspile.com/Thread-Crap-Lock.jpg

[99GrandAMSE]

... useful? :lol: