UnderDrive/Lightened Crank Pulley

[c3hp0]

Didn't look too hard, but it looks like there hasn't been a group buy for an underdrive and/or lightened crank pulley for some time.

I am interested, but haven't contacted any vendors.

The Fast Forward unit looks pretty good and from what is discussed here and elsewhere they fixed the crank sensor interference problem.

So, who's interested?

[c3hp0]

Update - found what looks to be the last group buy in the fall of 2004: http://www.gaownersclub.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=32067&highlight=pulley

Time for another?

[ronnieb55]

if this is for a 2.4l also i will be def in for a rsm lighter stock size pully

[c3hp0]

Unsure of what can be worked out, nor who will take this forward (I haven't committed to anything, yet, just looking for interest), but anything's up for consideration at this point.

[rperrone]

I'm definitely interested if it's for a 3400... Especially so if it's FFP...

[Shad0wguy]

For the 3400, depending on the price, you can count me in.

[Bjornboy81]

Even at full price the UDP is well worth it!!!. Just make sure you know how to install it (which isn't all that hard) before you buy. :)

I already have one, so I'm not looking to buy, but to let you guys know that the unit from FFP is very nice. faster revs, better top end pull, and smoother shifts.

When you buy the UDP you'll need a smaller serp belt as well. I went with the Gatorback Belt, part #: 4060855 and works perfectly :)

[c3hp0]

Thanks for the info! That's what these forums are all about.

[Ghostgt]

I would be in for a FFP group buy.I was planning on buying one in the next couple of months anyways. Trav

[ntl5002]

FFP would probably be the best since they have one that fits many engines.
Depending on the price and when it happens I might be interested, depends it I have the money to do it.

[c3hp0]

Interest so far:

3100/3400
1. c3hp0
2. rperrone
3. Shad0wguy
4. Ghostgt
5. ntl5002
6. Mac00GT
7. sick2002GAGT
8. nice96gt

Other
1. ronnieb55 (2.4l)

Add your name if you're interested.

Once we get to 10 for the 3100/3400, I'll look around for interested vendors, unless someone else wants to do it. Speak up if you're interested. Thanks.

[c3hp0]

Moderators - can you make this thread a sticky for us? Thanks.

[Mac00GT]

you can add me to the list

[sick2002GAGT]

if the price is right, im in

[nice96gt]

I may possibly be interested depending on the price. Put me on the list for now.

[c3hp0]

I've contacted FFP and the prices are 10% off up to 14 pulleys, 15% off for 15 or more pulleys.

They unfortunately don't have pulleys for the 2.4l engine.

Interest so far for 3100/3400:
1. c3hp0
2. rperrone
3. Shad0wguy
4. Ghostgt
5. ntl5002
6. Mac00GT
7. sick2002GAGT
8. nice96gt
9.
10.
11.
12.
13.
14.
15.
16.
17.
18.
19.
20.

I'll be posting this group purchase info on other sites in the hopes that we can raise our numbers well above 15 so we can be sure to qualify for the maximum discount. If you know of someone who may be or is interested, send them a note to sign up.

It appears that aluminum prices have gone up, as have some labor costs, but the web prices have not yet reflected those increases, so the sooner we get this done, the better. The group buy ends on Monday March 20, end of day.

I'm waiting on some more information and will post it when I receive it.

[slowbird]

I posted a link to this on the V6z24.com site. Since they have 3400 swapped Cavalier/Sunbirds.

Hope it helps.

I'd put my name down but I don't know when this will be ready to order and I may not have the Cash. I'll add my name when I can.

[bonecrrusher]

Interest so far for 3100/3400:
1. c3hp0
2. rperrone
3. Shad0wguy
4. Ghostgt
5. ntl5002
6. Mac00GT
7. sick2002GAGT
8. nice96gt
9. bonecrrusher 94 Z24
10.
11.
12.
13.
14.
15.
16.
17.
18.
19.
20.

[Dave C]

If they also make lightened crank pulleys for the 3800, someone should probably post on clubgp.com and l67swap.com

[slowbird]

Oh! Got 1 J-body already! :woot:

Originally posted by Dave C
If they also make lightened crank pulleys for the 3800, someone should probably post on clubgp.com and l67swap.com

I don't think the 3800 is internally balanced...so the Crank Pulley is actually weighted IIRC.

They probably don't make one for them.

[bonecrrusher]

Originally posted by slowbird
[B]Oh! Got 1 J-body already! :woot:



Technically.... it could end up my Z24 or my Z26....

Havent made the decision yet. :lol:

[schmerge94z26]

Im in:

Interest so far for 3100/3400:
1. c3hp0
2. rperrone
3. Shad0wguy
4. Ghostgt
5. ntl5002
6. Mac00GT
7. sick2002GAGT
8. nice96gt
9. bonecrrusher 94 Z24
10.Schmerge94z26
11.
12.
13.
14.
15.
16.
17.
18.
19.
20.

[jerboa327]

Can I get on the list too please? I'm from V6Z24.com.

[nolimit]

Interest so far for 3100/3400:
1. c3hp0
2. rperrone
3. Shad0wguy
4. Ghostgt
5. ntl5002
6. Mac00GT
7. sick2002GAGT
8. nice96gt
9. bonecrrusher 94 Z24
10.Schmerge94z26
11.jerboa327
12.nolimit
13.nolimit (ya I want Two)
14.
15.
16.
17.
18.
19.
20.

Added the guy from V6z24.com hopefully we can get this rollin and have nobody back out,

[c3hp0]

Interest so far for 3100/3400:
1. c3hp0
2. rperrone
3. Shad0wguy
4. Ghostgt
5. ntl5002
6. Mac00GT
7. sick2002GAGT
8. nice96gt
9. bonecrrusher 94 Z24
10. Schmerge94z26
11. jerboa327
12.
13.
14.
15.
16.
17.
18.
19.
20.

[wasas9]

Interest so far for 3100/3400:
1. c3hp0
2. rperrone
3. Shad0wguy
4. Ghostgt
5. ntl5002
6. Mac00GT
7. sick2002GAGT
8. nice96gt
9. bonecrrusher 94 Z24
10.Schmerge94z26
11.jerboa327
12.nolimit
13.nolimit (ya I want Two)
14. wasas9 (from V6Z forums)
15.
16.
17.
18.
19.
20.

[rsisbetter]

Interest so far for 3100/3400:
1. c3hp0
2. rperrone
3. Shad0wguy
4. Ghostgt
5. ntl5002
6. Mac00GT
7. sick2002GAGT
8. nice96gt
9. bonecrrusher 94 Z24
10.Schmerge94z26
11.jerboa327
12.nolimit
13.nolimit (ya I want Two)
14. wasas9 (from V6Z forums)
15. rsisbetter (v6z forums)
16.
17.
18.
19.
20.
my q is, how do we get payment, and recieving of this?

[wes_phily]

i understand it will be 15% off but 15% off what?

[c3hp0]

from www.fastfwdperformance.com:
"88 - '05
2.8, 3.1 MPFI and 3100, 3400 SFI
$109.99" - in USD

[c3hp0]

my q is, how do we get payment, and recieving of this?

I'm waiting on the payment information. Receipt is via the same shipping methods cited at the FFP site.

[Penfold]

Interest so far for 3100/3400:
1. c3hp0
2. rperrone
3. Shad0wguy
4. Ghostgt
5. ntl5002
6. Mac00GT
7. sick2002GAGT
8. nice96gt
9. bonecrrusher 94 Z24
10.Schmerge94z26
11.jerboa327
12.nolimit
13.nolimit (ya I want Two)
14. wasas9 (from V6Z forums)
15. rsisbetter (v6z forums)
16. Penfold
17.
18.
19.
20.

I am definitly in, just tell me when and where to pay. :)

[96mcls]

I'M IN!

1. c3hp0
2. rperrone
3. Shad0wguy
4. Ghostgt
5. ntl5002
6. Mac00GT
7. sick2002GAGT
8. nice96gt
9. bonecrrusher 94 Z24
10.Schmerge94z26
11.jerboa327
12.nolimit
13.nolimit (ya I want Two)
14. wasas9 (from V6Z forums)
15. rsisbetter (v6z forums)
16. Penfold
17. 96mcls(from MyMonte)
18.
19.
20.

[96Cayenne]

1. c3hp0
2. rperrone
3. Shad0wguy
4. Ghostgt
5. ntl5002
6. Mac00GT
7. sick2002GAGT
8. nice96gt
9. bonecrrusher 94 Z24
10.Schmerge94z26
11.jerboa327
12.nolimit
13.nolimit (ya I want Two)
14. wasas9 (from V6Z forums)
15. rsisbetter (v6z forums)
16. Penfold
17. 96mcls(from MyMonte)
18. 96Cayenne
19.
20.

[Penfold]

can we get like free shipping or something if we get 20? :)

[Ixion Z26]

1. c3hp0
2. rperrone
3. Shad0wguy
4. Ghostgt
5. ntl5002
6. Mac00GT
7. sick2002GAGT
8. nice96gt
9. bonecrrusher 94 Z24
10.Schmerge94z26
11.jerboa327
12.nolimit
13.nolimit (ya I want Two)
14. wasas9 (from V6Z forums)
15. rsisbetter (v6z forums)
16. Penfold
17. 96mcls(from MyMonte)
18. 96Cayenne
19. Ixion Z26 (from Beretta forums)
20.

Looking good!!!

[96Cayenne]

wait wait, i thought free shipping was a given

[Penfold]

all the other FFP group buys i've seen were free shipping, but I didnt see anything about it in this one.

[drift_onli]

1. c3hp0
2. rperrone
3. Shad0wguy
4. Ghostgt
5. ntl5002
6. Mac00GT
7. sick2002GAGT
8. nice96gt
9. bonecrrusher 94 Z24
10.Schmerge94z26
11.jerboa327
12.nolimit
13.nolimit (ya I want Two)
14. wasas9 (from V6Z forums)
15. rsisbetter (v6z forums)
16. Penfold
17. 96mcls(from MyMonte)
18. 96Cayenne
19. Ixion Z26 (from Beretta forums)
20. drift_onli (V6Z24.com forums)

Question...

Is it 20% off now? :)

Also, will shipping be free?
Taxes?
How will we pay?

[discostu]

I'm interested for a 3400 pulley.

[Penfold]

1. c3hp0
2. rperrone
3. Shad0wguy
4. Ghostgt
5. ntl5002
6. Mac00GT
7. sick2002GAGT
8. nice96gt
9. bonecrrusher 94 Z24
10.Schmerge94z26
11.jerboa327
12.nolimit
13.nolimit (ya I want Two)
14. wasas9 (from V6Z forums)
15. rsisbetter (v6z forums)
16. Penfold
17. 96mcls(from MyMonte)
18. 96Cayenne
19. Ixion Z26 (from Beretta forums)
20. drift_onli (V6Z24.com forums)
21. 93GeeTee (beretta forums)
22. Styluss~Customs (beretta forums)

[Bjornboy81]

holy crap....that's a lot of new members!!! Welcome guys...hope you stick around :wave:

[schmerge94z26]

I will try to check in often. If I forget Boner remind me. Or penfold or styluss. As im from the beretta speed board.

[slowbird]

Originally posted by Penfold
1. c3hp0
2. rperrone
3. Shad0wguy
4. Ghostgt
5. ntl5002
6. Mac00GT
7. sick2002GAGT
8. nice96gt
9. bonecrrusher 94 Z24
10.Schmerge94z26
11.jerboa327
12.nolimit
13.nolimit (ya I want Two)
14. wasas9 (from V6Z forums)
15. rsisbetter (v6z forums)
16. Penfold
17. 96mcls(from MyMonte)
18. 96Cayenne
19. Ixion Z26 (from Beretta forums)
20. drift_onli (V6Z24.com forums)
21. 93GeeTee (beretta forums)
22. Styluss~Customs (beretta forums)

That's quite the list.

What kind of deal are we seeing now? Atleast 15%off and Free shipping.

The way this is going we could get 30 people.

[Bjornboy81]

Originally posted by slowbird
What kind of deal are we seeing now? Atleast 15%off and Free shipping. Maybe I'm wrong, but no one said anything about free shipping. :)

[slowbird]

No one DID say anything about Free Shipping. But since we are almost double the expected order, there should be more of a discount.

[3400-95Modified]

Wish I could add to the list but I already bought one of these a long time ago... 22 people is not too shabby for a group buy, I'm impressed.

[Mr.H.O]

1. c3hp0
2. rperrone
3. Shad0wguy
4. Ghostgt
5. ntl5002
6. Mac00GT
7. sick2002GAGT
8. nice96gt
9. bonecrrusher 94 Z24
10.Schmerge94z26
11.jerboa327
12.nolimit
13.nolimit (ya I want Two)
14. wasas9 (from V6Z forums)
15. rsisbetter (v6z forums)
16. Penfold
17. 96mcls(from MyMonte)
18. 96Cayenne
19. Ixion Z26 (from Beretta forums)
20. drift_onli (V6Z24.com forums)
21. 93GeeTee (beretta forums)
22. Styluss~Customs (beretta forums)
23. Mr.H.O (interested for the 3400) Grandontario.com.

[wasas9]

Originally posted by Bjornboy81
holy crap....that's a lot of new members!!! Welcome guys...hope you stick around :wave:


All hail the NWO of J-bodies:P


we are slowly taking over...haha

i suppose ill stick around and post every now and again:)

[Penfold]

well,my mom drives a 2001 Grand am GT, so i guess i could stick around. :D

[c3hp0]

1. c3hp0
2. rperrone
3. Shad0wguy
4. Ghostgt
5. ntl5002
6. Mac00GT
7. sick2002GAGT
8. nice96gt
9. bonecrrusher 94 Z24
10.Schmerge94z26
11.jerboa327
12.nolimit
13.nolimit (ya I want Two)
14. wasas9 (from V6Z forums)
15. rsisbetter (v6z forums)
16. Penfold
17. 96mcls(from MyMonte)
18. 96Cayenne
19. Ixion Z26 (from Beretta forums)
20. drift_onli (V6Z24.com forums)
21. 93GeeTee (beretta forums)
22. Styluss~Customs (beretta forums)
23. Mr.H.O (interested for the 3400) Grandontario.com.
24. discostu

That's a pretty good list, guys (gals?), but as with all group buys, there are invariably some who do not go through with it. I'd say we're realistically only looking at between 18 and 20 actually purchasing at this point, but you never know until it happens.

So, crank up your contact lists and visit those boards where you know this pulley will fit - 2.8, 3.1 MPFI and 3100, 3400 SFI, since I clearly don't know all the forums.

Thanks for your participation and welcome aboard!

[bonecrrusher]

Hey C3HPO, there are a number of us Beretta owners that want to order the Poly Dog bone mount as well. Could you ask him about some kind of packaged deal for that?

I'll update the list of people that want the 92+ beretta engine mount.

[bonecrrusher]

1. c3hp0
2. rperrone
3. Shad0wguy
4. Ghostgt
5. ntl5002
6. Mac00GT
7. sick2002GAGT
8. nice96gt
9. bonecrrusher 94 Z24 92+ Beretta engine mount
10.Schmerge94z26
11.jerboa327
12.nolimit
13.nolimit (ya I want Two)
14. wasas9 (from V6Z forums)
15. rsisbetter (v6z forums)
16. Penfold
17. 96mcls(from MyMonte)
18. 96Cayenne
19. Ixion Z26 (from Beretta forums) 92+ engine mount
20. drift_onli (V6Z24.com forums)
21. 93GeeTee (beretta forums) 92+ Beretta engine mount
22. Styluss~Customs (beretta forums) 89-91 Beretta engine mount
23. Mr.H.O (interested for the 3400) Grandontario.com.
24. discostu

[c3hp0]

Sure, I'll talk to him. Be aware, 'though, that volume is where the discounts come from. I see 3 92+ mounts and 1 89-91 mount. Did you hit all the sources for L, J, and n-bodies of the years listed at FFP's site?

[jberaue]

It seems like there's still alot of people just getting in on this. As long as it doesn't happen in the next week, I'm in. Just gotta save up some loots.

[slowbird]

There has to be a bigger discount for 25 or 30+ pullies.

That's a big order!

[96mcls]

has there been any word on how payment will be done?

[bonecrrusher]

23 * 100 = $2300 bucks, and Im sure he has a nice markup on these.

[QuadPoWah]

1. c3hp0
2. rperrone
3. Shad0wguy
4. Ghostgt
5. ntl5002
6. Mac00GT
7. sick2002GAGT
8. nice96gt
9. bonecrrusher 94 Z24 92+ Beretta engine mount
10.Schmerge94z26
11.jerboa327
12.nolimit
13.nolimit (ya I want Two)
14. wasas9 (from V6Z forums)
15. rsisbetter (v6z forums)
16. Penfold
17. 96mcls(from MyMonte)
18. 96Cayenne
19. Ixion Z26 (from Beretta forums) 92+ engine mount
20. drift_onli (V6Z24.com forums)
21. 93GeeTee (beretta forums) 92+ Beretta engine mount ***
22. Styluss~Customs (beretta forums) 89-91 Beretta engine mount
23. Mr.H.O (interested for the 3400) Grandontario.com.
24. discostu

I am 93GeeTee #21... You can definatly count me in, I don't plan on backing out. I'm really interested in the dogbone too.

[Weston91RS]

When is this group buy up? And do they take paypal? If its more than a week and they take paypal, ill transfer my required cash right now. Im also from v6z24. All hail the J bodies!:D j/k

[rsisbetter]

have we happened to have any word on whether we get free shipping or not?
Tax..?

[discostu]

I'm also interested in a pre-'95 J-body dogbone mount.

[c3hp0]

1. c3hp0
2. rperrone
3. Shad0wguy
4. Ghostgt
5. ntl5002
6. Mac00GT
7. sick2002GAGT
8. nice96gt
9. bonecrrusher 94 Z24 92+ Beretta engine mount
10. Schmerge94z26
11. jerboa327
12. nolimit
13. nolimit (ya I want Two)
14. wasas9 (from V6Z forums)
15. rsisbetter (v6z forums)
16. Penfold
17. 96mcls(from MyMonte)
18. 96Cayenne
19. Ixion Z26 (from Beretta forums) 92+ engine mount
20. drift_onli (V6Z24.com forums)
21. 93GeeTee (beretta forums) 92+ Beretta engine mount ***
22. Styluss~Customs (beretta forums) 89-91 Beretta engine mount
23. Mr.H.O (interested for the 3400) Grandontario.com.
24. discostu & pre-'95 J-body dogbone
25. Weston91RS
26. Blackbombshell95 (from Clubgp.com)

Ok, the deal stands as is. As I mentioned or alluded to already, the price will be going up very soon due to cost increases for material and labour.

I'm just now asking about the dogbones and I'll let you know when I get some information.

In terms of payment, I'll be compiling a list of people to submit by 5:00 P.M. MST with each person's GAOC ID, full name, address, phone number, email address, and payment type (CC or PayPal). After I send the list to FFP, people can call with their credit card number or they can send a paypal payment.

So, I need information from each of you (GAOC ID, full name, address, phone number, email address, and payment type - CC or PayPal), which you can send to me at c3hp0@hotmail.com. Once the list has been sent, I'll advise everyone here and will send a phone number out by email.

Shipping is not included in the price and can be found on their website. I assume tax will be collected only for those in Colorado, which is where they are located.

None of the product will ship out until all payments have been received.

[sick2002GAGT]

so how much are the pullys goin to end up costing?

[c3hp0]

Provided that a minimum 15 units are paid for, they'll cost 93.49 USD plus shipping. You can't beat that price for a proven part like this.

[QuadPoWah]

The only way I can pay is by Money order or cashiers check, will that work? I don't have a credit card.

What if we do end up having 20-25 buyers? Won't the price go down more?

[c3hp0]

I'll ask about the money order, since that method is listed on the site, but your order will likely delay the final paid count, unless you ship it early. I'll find out for you.

The price won't go down anymore, since his costs have gone up (i.e. he is making less on them at full price now) - I've asked more than once (i.e. in more than one way). 5 percent more off is $5.50 and I'm not going to delay the GP and spend a whole swack more time chasing five and a half bucks. These pulleys are already a good deal at full price, and group buys on these things only happen once every few years, if one will ever happen again.

[c3hp0]

A dagger in brackets means I've received the required information from you (email c3hp0@hotmail.com or PM me here) - your GAOC screen name(mine is c3hp0), full name, address, phone number, email address, and payment type preference of CC or PayPal (Money Order is also accepted, but can be slower); an X in parenthesis means that person has opted out:

1. [†]c3hp0
2. [†]rperrone
3. (X)Shad0wguy
4. Ghostgt
5. (X)ntl5002
6. Mac00GT
7. [†]sick2002GAGT
8. (X)nice96gt
9. [†]bonecrrusher 94 Z24 92+ Beretta engine mount
10. [†]Schmerge94z26
11. [†]jerboa327
12. [†]nolimit
13. [†]nolimit (ya I want Two)
14. [†]wasas9 (from V6Z forums)
15. [†]rsisbetter (v6z forums)
16. [†]Penfold
17. [†]96mcls(from MyMonte)
18. 96Cayenne
19. [†]Ixion Z26 (from Beretta forums) 92+ engine mount
20. [†]drift_onli (V6Z24.com forums)
21. (X)93GeeTee (registered as QuadPoWah)
22. [†]Stylusskid(beretta forums) 89-91 Beretta engine mount
23. [†]Mr.H.O (interested for the 3400) Grandontario.com.
24. [†]discostu & pre-'95 J-body dogbone
25. [†]Weston91RS
26. [†]Blackbombshell95 (from Clubgp.com)
27. [†]Sephiroth2029
28. [†]Jayscav90
29. [†]QuadPoWah
30. (X)GroovyGT
31. [†]Import_Sound
32. [†]02gagt
33. [†]1991z24 (from V6Z24.com)
34. [†]QuasarCorsica
35. [†]dukie (from V6Z24.com)
36. [†]Fastest99mali
37. [†]oldskoolz24 (from V6Z24.com)
38. [†]kaseobeer2585
39. [†]kaseobeer2585 (wants 2)
40. [†]thomas uzarski
41. [†]Chris Schwarz (from V6Z24.com)
42. [†]c0ugar1969
42. [†]beretta9mil (beretta forums)
43. [†]jberaue
44. Asylum MotorSports (bstuff.com)
45. [†]89GTZ
46. [†]blondiez24

[drift_onli]

Originally posted by c3hp0
I'll ask about the money order, since that method is listed on the site, but your order will likely delay the final paid count, unless you ship it early. I'll find out for you.

The price won't go down anymore, since his costs have gone up (i.e. he is making less on them at full price now) - I've asked more than once (i.e. in more than one way). 5 percent more off is $5.50 and I'm not going to delay the GP and spend a whole swack more time chasing five and a half bucks. These pulleys are already a good deal at full price, and group buys on these things only happen once every few years, if one will ever happen again.

If you can get MO, then I will do a money order... My Paypal takes too damn long, money order is much faster.

[96mcls]

c3hp0, i sent you an email with the info, have you not gotten to it yet? or should i just send another?

[c3hp0]

What is the email service you're sending from? hotmail, gmail, ... It may have hit my junk mail folder and I missed it/deleted it. Quite a few have hit my junk mail folder (most) and I've retrieved them.

Are you sending to c3hp0@hotmail.com? the last character is a zero, not a capital letter o.

Please resend.

[c3hp0]

BTW, if you're not from this forum, please get the word out that I need an email with particulars to take an order forward. It's getting to be too much to visit all (approx.) dozen forums repeatedly.

Without particulars and the representative tombstone mark (dagger in brackets), a name on the list doesn't mean participation in the group buy.

Thanks.

P.S. Anybody know what happened to n-body.net? I haven't been able to reach the site in a couple of days.

_ (http://www.gaownersclub.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=717831#post717831)

[Sephiroth2029]

Go ahead and add me to the list

[96mcls]

okay i resent the email

[c3hp0]

Still not getting your email. What domain name are you sending from - gmail.com, hotmail.com, ...?

PM the information to me. Please, no one else PM me, unless we agree to that method to solve a problem. Thanks.

[96mcls]

it's sbcglobal.net

i will just PM you the info

[sick2002GAGT]

i know i sent my info yesterday morning. i was wonderin if you got it?

[rperrone]

Did you get mine? it's from yahoo.com

[c3hp0]

I have sbcglobal.net and yahoo.com on my blocked senders list because of spam - my apologies. If your name doesn't have the tombstone to the right of it, then I don't have your information. Sick02, What domain are you sending from?

Everyone can PM me with their info here or, if you haven't registered, send me a message to c3hp0@hotmail.com and let me know here that you sent the message.

[sick2002GAGT]

my email is through yahoo. so i think i just send you a pm.

[c3hp0]

We now have 10 people with contact information, which is the minimum for the 10 percent discount. 5 more to go to reach the minimum for 15 percent off.

Send me a PM with your info as listed above.

[ntl5002]

I'm still interested but I need to check with my parents first since I don't have the money right now.

[nice96gt]

sorry guys, I'm not going to be taking part in this gb...hopefully it goes through with a good deal.

[GroovyGT]

Hi all.

I'm new to this site, but not new to the Grand Am community (been a member of another site for a few years now).

I didn't see anywhere in this thread when the cut-off day is for the GB. Anyway, add me to your list. I've been wanting one of these for a long time. Thanks.

[c3hp0]

Visit the fourth page post (http://www.gaownersclub.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=717831#post717831) for updates.

[GroovyGT]

Originally posted by c3hp0
In terms of payment, I'll be compiling a list of people to submit by 5:00 P.M. MST


This is all I saw on Page 4. So do you mean 5pm today?

[rsisbetter]

maybe i missed it, but i saw nowhere on the ffp site how much ship cost was, could somone enlighten me?
Thanks

[c3hp0]

Cut off is 5:00 PM March 20.

I don't believe their shipping costs are posted. I was quoted $10 USD for continental US and $15 USD for Canadian orders.

Money orders are acceptable, but we won't be sending them out until after the 20th.

You can order mounts and FFP will ship them with your pulley - that's about the best I can do for you on that one. Stock is quite limited on the mounts (not pulleys, as originally posted), and the website will be updated shortly. I'm leaving each of you to arrange to purchase your mounts outside of the GP for the pulley and indicate to FFP that you'd like them shipped with the Pulley. Michael at FFP will be getting my list of information that I'm collecting, so he can match up the orders that way.

For those who haven't sent me the contact information yet, you have another week, but you dont' have to wait until then.

Thanks.

[c3hp0]

GroovyGT, I need your GAOC screen name(mine is c3hp0), full name, address, phone number, email address, and payment type - CC or PayPal emailed or PM'd to me to add to "the list," which guarantees you a spot in the Group Purchase.

If anyone has emailed me with their detailed information and not seen a tombstone next to their name, you may have to PM me since I have a junk mail filter not accepting from some big domain names (yahoo, sbcglobal, for e.g.).

[rsisbetter]

final q, i promise. so i send my $103.49 M.O. (includes shipping), to where and when? (considering snail mail).
Thanks

[c3hp0]

The amount is correct, unless you live in Colorado, then you have to add whatever tax there may be.

Hold off on sending payment in - I'll post instructions for purchasing after the 20th date/time.

We don't get the discounts unless we reach the discount levels of paid purchasers - 10 to 14 paid for 10 percent, 15 and more for 15 percent. If we hit 15 (or more) with credit cards and Paypal, then we're good to go. If not, we'll deal with it at that time.

[ntl5002]

Did they say anything about discounts after 15 people, like 20 people we get 20%?

[Import_Sound]

Whoa when did i miss this. Im definately up for this. Count me in.

[c3hp0]

like 20 people we get 20%
No. Read back through the previous posts for history on that.

[GroovyGT]

:mad:

I guess I'm going to have to back out of this. My wife's 30th birthday is coming up, so I really should spend the extra money on that. (Hey, it's her 30th. Pretty important one I think.)

Sorry.

[QuasarCorsica]

i need a underdrive crank pulley for my car. Count me in on this deal. Hope im not too late for this. I already emailed my info to you. oh ya, btw im from beretta.net. Let me know. thanks.

[c3hp0]

You're not too late - Mar 20 is deadline, but I haven't received your email, so you'll have to PM it to me - my email filters out some domain names (yahoo.com, sbcglobal, to name two big ones).

[ntl5002]

Well sadly I think I'm out. I was planning on getting one but I just found out that our Auto Club might be going to a raceway to drive our cars on the track and that's $100 so that's what the money's going towards now.

[dukie]

Hey, got another V6Z24 member here, and I am in for the GP. I'll email my info ASAP

[Ixion Z26]

I'm emailing you my info right now ...
I hope you don't filter out Hotmail, too. :cool:

[c3hp0]

Please see the corrected post above (http://www.gaownersclub.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=719487#post719487), where I meant to type "mounts", not "pulleys":
Stock is quite limited on the mounts (not pulleys, as originally posted), ...

We've got a good number that have sent their order information to me, but we have some who haven't. If your name doesn't appear on page 4 with a dagger or X beside it, I don't know what your intention is. Let me know if you've already sent your information but don't see a tombstone mark next to your name by posting here.

[oldskoolz24]

Sent my contact info, but it was from a Yahoo account. Hopefully you'll get it!

[kaseobeer2585]

hell sign me up, I'm from V6

[kaseobeer2585]

OK I need 2 instead, I still sent my info.

[QuasarCorsica]

i resent my info to you on pm, let me know if u get it. thanks.

[c3hp0]

QC, I received your info.

Visit the fourth page post (http://www.gaownersclub.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=717831#post717831) for updates, where you can find out if I received your info by viewing the list. I keep the list well up to date.

[c3hp0]

GP ends tomorrow at 5:00 p.m.

If you want in on the GP for a pulley that fits 88 and up 2.8/3.1/3100/3400 60 degree v6's, then email me your Grand Am Owner's Club screen name(mine is c3hp0), full name, address, phone number, email address, and payment type preference of CC or PayPal before close.

Again, I'm at c3hp0@hotmail.com - leave a post here to indicate you sent your info, in case my junk mail filter fragged it. You may have to PM the info to me here.

Thanks.

[schmerge94z26]

1. c3hp0
2. rperrone
3. Shad0wguy
4. Ghostgt
5. ntl5002
6. Mac00GT
7. sick2002GAGT
8. nice96gt
9. bonecrrusher 94 Z24 92+ Beretta engine mount
10. Schmerge94z26
11. jerboa327
12. nolimit
13. nolimit (ya I want Two)
14. wasas9 (from V6Z forums)
15. rsisbetter (v6z forums)
16. Penfold
17. 96mcls(from MyMonte)
18. 96Cayenne
19. Ixion Z26 (from Beretta forums) 92+ engine mount
20. drift_onli (V6Z24.com forums)
21. 93GeeTee (beretta forums) 92+ Beretta engine mount ***
22. Styluss~Customs (beretta forums) 89-91 Beretta engine mount
23. Mr.H.O (interested for the 3400) Grandontario.com.
24. discostu & pre-'95 J-body dogbone
25. Weston91RS
26. Blackbombshell95 (from Clubgp.com)
27.Asylum MotorSports (bstuff.com)

I'll have him send his info tonight!

[89GTZ]

I sent you my information. My email account is yahoo.com so it may be blocked. If you need me to pm the information I can.

[Mr.H.O]

Info sent to your email account. What are the discount details as of now?

[drift_onli]

Originally posted by Mr.H.O
Info sent to your email account. What are the discount details as of now?

It's still 15%.

[c3hp0]

Mr. H.O. I only recently received info from a Mike Pereira. Is that you? Your engine is listed as a Quad4, which the pulley we're purchasing here will not fit. Please confirm that you have a 2.8/3.1/3100/3400 60 degree v6.

[QuadPoWah]

There's been a slight miscommunication... I am ALSO 93GeeTee (that is my bstuff.com name), please take that one off the list to clear it up... Sorry for the confusion, I tried to make you aware of that.

[blondiez24]

sign me up! I dunno what information you guys need from me just email me and tell me if possible or post it on here. thanks

[c3hp0]

GP ends tomorrow at 5:00 p.m.

If you want in on the GP for a pulley that fits 88 and up 2.8/3.1/3100/3400 60 degree v6's, then email me your Grand Am Owner's Club screen name(mine is c3hp0), full name, address, phone number, email address, and payment type preference of CC or PayPal before close.

Again, I'm at c3hp0@hotmail.com - leave a post here to indicate you sent your info, in case my junk mail filter fragged it. You may have to PM the info to me here.

Thanks.

Send me the info from the quote. If you sent and haven't seen the tombstone show up by your name on page 4, send me a PM. So far, I don't have info for:

4. Ghostgt
6. Mac00GT
18. 96Cayenne
23. Mr.H.O (interested for the 3400) Grandontario.com.
44. Asylum MotorSports (bstuff.com)
45. 89GTZ
46. blondiez24

I have sent messages to all about sending/resending their information except for the last 3 (44, 45, 46 entry numbers), which I'll do right now.

[c3hp0]

I sent you my information. My email account is yahoo.com so it may be blocked. If you need me to pm the information I can.


Last edited by 89GTZ on 03-19-2006 at 07:11 PM
Yes, please PM the information to me - it will not get past my Junk mail filter if coming from Yahoo. Thanks.

[drift_onli]

Too bad 50 people didn't get is 50% off, haha. Or at least another 5 ontop of what we have, we have tons of people in this buy.

[Sephiroth2029]

Whens the money due for this? I need to make a trip to the bank cause building up my engine is draining my account.

[Mr.H.O]

Originally posted by c3hp0
Mr. H.O. I only recently received info from a Mike Pereira. Is that you? Your engine is listed as a Quad4, which the pulley we're purchasing here will not fit. Please confirm that you have a 2.8/3.1/3100/3400 60 degree v6.

Yeah sorry that's me.Im building a 3400 5speed in a 96 Grand Am as well as the W41 that I currently own so yes im still on for the pulley!

[c3hp0]

NP. I'd like to hear about that project sometime.

[c3hp0]

I have sent the following list to FFP:

1. [†]c3hp0
2. [†]rperrone
3. [†]sick2002GAGT
4. [†]bonecrrusher 94 Z24 92+ Beretta engine mount
5. [†]Schmerge94z26
6. [†]jerboa327
7. [†]nolimit
8. [†]nolimit (ya I want Two)
9. [†]wasas9 (from V6Z forums)
10. [†]rsisbetter (v6z forums)
11. [†]Penfold
12. [†]96mcls(from MyMonte)
13. [†]Ixion Z26 (from Beretta forums) 92+ engine mount
14. [†]drift_onli (V6Z24.com forums)
15. [†]Stylusskid(beretta forums) 89-91 Beretta engine mount
16. [†]Mr.H.O (interested for the 3400) Grandontario.com.
17. [†]discostu & pre-'95 J-body dogbone
18. [†]Weston91RS
19. [†]Blackbombshell95 (from Clubgp.com)
20. [†]Sephiroth2029
21. [†]Jayscav90
22. [†]QuadPoWah
23. [†]Import_Sound
24. [†]02gagt
25. [†]1991z24 (from V6Z24.com)
26. [†]QuasarCorsica
27. [†]dukie (from V6Z24.com)
28. [†]Fastest99mali
29. [†]oldskoolz24 (from V6Z24.com)
30. [†]kaseobeer2585
31. [†]kaseobeer2585 (wants 2)
32. [†]thomas uzarski
33. [†]Chris Schwarz (from V6Z24.com)
34. [†]c0ugar1969
35. [†]beretta9mil (beretta forums)
36. [†]jberaue
37. [†]89GTZ
38. [†]blondiez24

Payments must be received by 9 pm (Mountain Time) Friday March, 24th. The total for US orders is $103 per pulley ($200 for those ordering two pulleys in the US). For Canadian orders, the total is $108 per pulley ($210 for two pulleys to Canada). Prices are shipped (i.e. inc. shipping).

Absolutely NO exceptions for late payments. Michael will be out of town this weekend and his phone will be shut off at 9 pm on Friday.

All payments must be in US FUNDS ONLY.

Paypal payments need to be sent to: Michael@fastfwdperformance.com The subject should be "UDP Group Buy"

Money orders can be sent to the address on the site -
FAST FORWARD PERFORMANCE
PO BOX 25272
COLORADO SPRINGS, CO
80936-5272.
They need to be sent right away if they are to make it to FFP on time.

Credit card customers can call Michael between the hours of 7pm and 9pm (Mountain Time) Wednesday, Thursday and Friday at (719) 499-8932. He will not be available before 7pm (or at all on Tuesday). Credit card customers are responsible for contacting him before the deadline - he does not have time to call people and leave messages to get info. When you call, you need to have your CC #, expiration date, and 3 digit security code (on back of card) ready.

Please get the word out to everyone to get their payments in.

Thanks.

[drift_onli]

I will be sending out my money order tomorrow, but, what if I don't want to pay 20 bucks to get the payment there so soon? Is it ok just to send it regular mail and it'll get there in 6 days?

[drift_onli]

Also who is the person I write the money order out to?

[rperrone]

Payment sent! Thanx for setting this up c3... :D

I can't wait to get it...

[c3hp0]

Drift, I have you down for PayPal.

Michael was adamant about receiving payment before Friday at 9:00 p.m. MST. Can you use PayPal?

[Mr.H.O]

Originally posted by c3hp0
NP. I'd like to hear about that project sometime.

I'll be defineatly posting a thread with pics about it when i've got some more time and work done on it! If it wouldnt be to much trouble could you change my order from credit card to paypal?

Thanks c3hp0 and good work on setting up the group buy!:cool:

[drift_onli]

Originally posted by c3hp0
Drift, I have you down for PayPal.

Michael was adamant about receiving payment before Friday at 9:00 p.m. MST. Can you use PayPal?

I could use paypal, but then it'd take about a week (more over about 10 days) for the payment to get the money from my bank account and then send it to them.

If they are alright with that I can use paypal.

[c3hp0]

Credit card to PayPal is fine - just make sure you send the information required to the correct email address as listed above.

I'll check on the Money Order versus PayPal and get back.

[drift_onli]

Originally posted by c3hp0
Credit card to PayPal is fine - just make sure you send the information required to the correct email address as listed above.

I'll check on the Money Order versus PayPal and get back.

It's not credit card, it's debit card. It's sent via echeck and it takes around 10 days for the recipient to receive the payment.

[c3hp0]

Wasn't replying to you in the first pgh - was replying to Mr. H.O. Still waiting on reply for your issue.

[schmerge94z26]

PAID!! Thanks to everyone who made this possiable!

[rsisbetter]

c3hp0 i just sent you emails, you must read them asap.

[wasas9]

payment sent.:D

[c3hp0]

Good job, all.

[drift_onli]

Originally posted by wasas9
payment sent.:D

Find out about my payment problem yet?

[wasas9]

Originally posted by drift_onli
Find out about my payment problem yet?


lol, what? think you quoted the wrong guy

[c3hp0]

Drift, I sent you a couple of emails. Don't delay, send in your MO - Michael at FFP was not available today at all, so let's not wait.

[c3hp0]

From FFP:

You can make the money order out to Fast Forward Performance. Include personal info (name address, etc) and "UDP Group Buy" on the money order. The address to send the payment to is on the site.

I was not available at all today. Do not leave credit card info in my voice mail unless you are comfortable doing so (I would not recommend it).

I will be available tomorrow through Friday 7-9 pm (MST) to take payment
info.

I prematurely called today to pay, forgetting that he wasn't available.

[Darkknight]

Damn, c3hp0, I emailed you my info a couple days ago, but I wasn't able to register on this forum before hand. Is it too late to get in on the group buy? Money is available by CC immediatly.

[c3hp0]

Sorry, I didn't receive anything.

Call Michael at FFP tonight between 7 and 9 p.m. as per the instructions above. It's not my decision.

[kaseobeer2585]

I dont get how he can be adament about getting the orders done by the 24th when hes only available to call between the hours of 7-9. Would be helpful if he had a larger window to call in and give him our CC numbers. I wont be home tonight or tommorow night because of work, hopefully friday I can get the call in.

[c3hp0]

He's a busy guy, like many of us - work full time, go to school, family, business, ...

If you have trouble, send me an email as soon as you know you're going to.

[Darkknight]

--

[96mcls]

i see on their web site they take visa, so do i just use my visa as a credit card?

[c3hp0]

Yes, provided it is a valid card (i.e. not expired, etc.).

[96mcls]

cool, i should have it paid for tonight

[Sephiroth2029]

Alright my payment has been sent in.

[thomas uzarski]

I was able to fix my problem with paypal, my money was sent too.

[nolimit]

money sent for my two,

Thanks again

[sick2002GAGT]

got mine paid for!

cant wait to get it

[c3hp0]

Paid.

Let's keep the payments coming.

[Penfold]

I paid for mine last night.

Thanks again for setting this up. I cant wait to get the pulley, i've been wanting one for over a year now.

[c3hp0]

Last evening for payments is Friday - between 7:00 p.m. and 9:00 p.m. Mountain Standard Time (2 hours behind Eastern Standard Time).

[Darkknight]

Is there any reason he can't return phone calls? I mean I called and left a message. I'm trying to give this guy money, and to my knowlege this is one of the bigger orders he's gotten. It seems like he isn't trying very hard to make this happen on his end. :/

[c3hp0]

Sorry, I don't have you on any of the lists. Do you go by another screen name?

[Carbon_cavvy]

can i still get in on this..... i have paypal !!! ill pay rite away if i can get one out to canada....

wuts the total, ill buy someones if they want to back out !!!

HELP ME !!!! AHHHHH !!

[c3hp0]

Call Michael at FFP tonight between 7 and 9 p.m. MST.

[c3hp0]

Last night for submitting payment. Get yours in, if you were on the list.

[discostu]

I paid for mine on wednesday.
My pulley and mount.

[Darkknight]

Originally posted by c3hp0
Sorry, I don't have you on any of the lists. Do you go by another screen name?

No, I did send you my info, but you said your spam filter caught it. :roll2:

[Darkknight]

I called Michael tonight and did a Credit card payment, please add my name to the list.

[schmerge94z26]

So how many did we get total? Enought for our 15% disscount right? If not will he still accept payment?

[c3hp0]

Yes, we got more than enough.

I'm sending an email out about payment.

[c3hp0]

No, I did send you my info, but you said your spam filter caught it.

No, I said in a number of different posts that either my junk mail or spam filters may catch some emails and I asked, repeatedly, for people to send me a PM. I never received a PM from you.

Holy late and lazy, Batman.

[Darkknight]

Originally posted by c3hp0
No, I said in a number of different posts that either my junk mail or spam filters may catch some emails and I asked, repeatedly, for people to send me a PM. I never received a PM from you.

Holy late and lazy, Batman.

Right, Ok then, excuse the fact that I've been trying to do this from work and didn't take the time to read every single post because I was trying to do my job at the same time. Michael isn't the only person in the world that is busy. And as for being lazy, if it's too much trouble for you to check your spam folder for people trying to BUY something, I guess I'm not the only one in the club. :roll2:

Secondly, I sent the email because I wasn't registered here at the time. As it turned out, I waited too long and had to regisiter here to post in the thread anyway.

You only had to ask me if I PM'ed it to you when you said I wasn't on your list and I would have sent it.

Anyway, I gave him my info over the phone when I paid him (while at work BTW, since I'm on night shift and he's only available at night) do I still need to PM it to you?

[c3hp0]

Can't check my "spam folder" - that stuff gets fragged before it gets to me. Can only check my junk mail folder, and I didn't get anything from you. Without all the information, you assumed I was lazy, yet I did look. I explained earlier, had you taken the time to look, that certain domain names are blocked - i.e. I don't get advised of messages from those locales that are sent my way.

No, you don't have to PM anything to me if Michael has taken your information.

Again, if you don't have the time to read through a post; and I suggest from newest to oldest posts, since here you'd only have to read back to the fourth or fifth page; then it's your loss. It is not my job to spoon feed information to 50 plus people who inquire, although I've done quite a bit of that.

I've already done far more work for this GP than I'll ever see in benefit (i.e. had the GP not gone through), and posts like yours assume I owe something to those that inquire, beyond basic courtesy - I have given more, but that's purely at my discretion and isn't a question of my laziness, which this very successful GP has shown not to be an issue (at least in this case). I've answered hundreds of requests for information about this GP.

Finally, it is your interest that is driving your participation, so it is your responsibility to inform yourself. I'm not going to regurgitate the same thing more than 2 or 3 times. What's the point? For your convenience? You're sounding an awful lot like someone from another board. I'll leave it at that.

[Mr.H.O]

Paid on Friday! :)

[c3hp0]

Sounds good. Way to go everyone.

[Darkknight]

Originally posted by c3hp0
Can't check my "spam folder" - that stuff gets fragged before it gets to me. Can only check my junk mail folder, and I didn't get anything from you. Without all the information, you assumed I was lazy, yet I did look. I explained earlier, had you taken the time to look, that certain domain names are blocked - i.e. I don't get advised of messages from those locales that are sent my way.

No, you don't have to PM anything to me if Michael has taken your information.

Again, if you don't have the time to read through a post; and I suggest from newest to oldest posts, since here you'd only have to read back to the fourth or fifth page; then it's your loss. It is not my job to spoon feed information to 50 plus people who inquire, although I've done quite a bit of that.

I've already done far more work for this GP than I'll ever see in benefit (i.e. had the GP not gone through), and posts like yours assume I owe something to those that inquire, beyond basic courtesy - I have given more, but that's purely at my discretion and isn't a question of my laziness, which this very successful GP has shown not to be an issue (at least in this case). I've answered hundreds of requests for information about this GP.

Finally, it is your interest that is driving your participation, so it is your responsibility to inform yourself. I'm not going to regurgitate the same thing more than 2 or 3 times. What's the point? For your convenience? You're sounding an awful lot like someone from another board. I'll leave it at that.


If you didn't want anyone to email you regarding this (which is a very dumb move IMO, considering by your own actions this is a cross forum G/B) why the hell did you put your email up?


Originally posted by c3hp0 So, I need information from each of you (GAOC ID, full name, address, phone number, email address, and payment type - CC or PayPal), which you can send to me at c3hp0@hotmail.com. Once the list has been sent, I'll advise everyone here and will send a phone number out by email.

Where is your mention of using PMs only in that post? :roll2:

You replied to me after I posted that I sent you an EMAIL

Originally posted by c3hp0
Sorry, I didn't receive anything.

Hmm, couldn't have taken the time to add in 4 words "PM it to me."?

That I didn't PM is your fault, not mine, so chill the **** out.

I'm only on 2 other car boards, and neither of them are N body boards so I don't think I know you.

You assumed everyone would take the time to read through everything, register here, post, and PM you. I think that's kind of unreasonable considering how widely this was going.

*You* are trying to put together a group buy, making yourself the point of contact for the whole thing. You negotiated the price deal with FFP, and asked everyone to send thier information to YOU via EMAIL. Don't get pissed at me if you can't be bothered to edit your own damn posts.

I can appreciate the fact that this has demanded a lot of your time, but I never asked to be spoon fed anything. I did what you asked in the first post I came across that had any relevant information.

I never acted like you OWE me a damned thing. I didn't ask you to do set this up, in fact, I didn't ask you for anything other than "Can I get in on this?". In the end, I didn't even need to go through you at all.

Next time if you can't be bothered to do the work involved in setting up a G/B without feeling like everyone expects you to do what you said you would, don't set one up.

I think you need to get some perspective on the whole thing, and just be glad this worked out for everyone as well as it did.

[c3hp0]

The reason it worked out so well is that:

a) Most everyone took the time to inform themselves and follow instructions
b) We used a single point of contact - this forum
c) I kept track of the various ways I was being contacted and brought that information together
d) FFP was very cooperative.

In no particular order.

You're one of very few who decided not to read through the information (a half dozen or less out of 50 plus who inquired or participated) and then complain that you don't have it correct. I expect that kind of response, since you can't please everyone.

I chill out when I decide to chill out, but I'm by no means pissed - I haven't bolded anything, no caps, no **** words. I am annoyed with these kinds of exhanges, but I knew this type of thing was coming from the outset.

The GP is there for anyone to participate, and if one decides to partake, it's their responsibility to gather information, regardless of where they're coming from, no one else's. That is understood, and followed, by 9 out of 10 who needed information, and nearly all who participated.

Finally, you and the rest of the 10 percent or less who complain about these things clearly miss the idea that if someone has to pay a significant amount of attention to each person who asks and/or participates, this size of group purchase (and most are not in the n-body or w-body communities) wouldn't be completed, due to the time required to add "PM it to me" for many, then respond to the chain of questioning that typically follows from someone who doesn't take the time to gather information themselves. There were a few who participated in this one that did have many multiple questions that were responded to, but only after they gathered the information that you decided was my job to repeatedly present (and that was already presented in multiple posts here).

[sick2002GAGT]

so how long before we get the pullys?

[c3hp0]

I don't have a ship date yet, if I'll get one.

The last information I have is that the pulleys were to arrive at FFP sometime on the weekend or this week.

I'll ask and report back.

[c3hp0]

BTW, check out the exhaust coupon I posted at http://www.gaownersclub.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=56573

[c3hp0]

Originally posted by sick2002GAGT
so how long before we get the pullys?

Michael sent out an email to everyone who ordered about an hour ago. Pulleys are being sent out to those who ordered and paid starting this upcoming weekend.

[wasas9]

I got my email. YESSS

Thanks a lot for setting this up, I've been waiting for a long while for this to come along. Hopefully this will help me in achieving my high 13 sec 1/4 mile.

[c3hp0]

Originally posted by wasas9
I got my email. YESSS

Thanks a lot for setting this up, I've been waiting for a long while for this to come along. Hopefully this will help me in achieving my high 13 sec 1/4 mile.

NP.

I'm interested to hear about how you're going to get into the 13's. Boost 'r Juice, which one?

[wasas9]

Originally posted by c3hp0
NP.

I'm interested to hear about how you're going to get into the 13's. Boost 'r Juice, which one?

Neither ;)

Chip, P&P, CAI, Beretta GTZ gearing 1990 model, headers, and FFP pulley. Possibly 3500 UIM and the 4.3 TB.

BTW, its going to be in a 92 Z24, the current pony is the 89 Z, but the body is too rusted, hence the 92.

If all goes well, and I have the $$ i will be in the 13s. This is actually my 1 goal and im hell bent like none other.

[c3hp0]

Sounds like serious work. Keep us up to date.

[Import_Sound]

haven't got my email....

[Darkknight]

Originally posted by Import_Sound
haven't got my email....

To anyone that didn't get the email

Michael @ FFP -- FFP Group Buy Update

Just a quick update…..



I will be processing credit card payments, printing shipping labels, and boxing up the pulleys over the next few days. The pulleys will be dropped off at FedEx (US orders) and UPS (Canadian orders) this weekend.

[Import_Sound]

thanx man for the update

[thomas uzarski]

well, I didn't get an email,but if they are being sent out sometime this week ,i'll wait.I figure he's busy and thats alot of emails to send out.

[Darkknight]

Originally posted by thomas uzarski
well, I didn't get an email,but if they are being sent out sometime this week ,i'll wait.I figure he's busy and thats alot of emails to send out.

Import: YW

Thomas: Are you sure it didn't get caught by a spam filter? I guess mike should have registered here so he could have PM'ed the updates to everybody... J/k.

Anyway, I counted 31 email address in the "To" line, so I think he did send one to everybody, even if you didn't get it.

If I get anything else, I post that up too.

[thomas uzarski]

thanks, my email is tuzarski@hotmail.com ,let me know if it's on there ok?

[rperrone]

Yeah, it's there

c3hp0 - thanx again for setting this up!

[rperrone]

it was from "Michael @ FFP" <michael@fastfwdperformance.com> if you want to check your spam folder...

[thomas uzarski]

looked i have no blocked or junk mail.

[thomas uzarski]

i payed,no email guess i'm getting an empty box lol.

[Darkknight]

Thomas, your address is on the email. However, you shouldn't post your email address on the forum. There are bots that scan forum posts to farm email addresses for spam

Just a thought, but if so many people have problems receiving emails through a hotmail account, perhaps Excite, Gmail, or others would be better to use.

[thomas uzarski]

thanks darkknight i appreciate ur assistance. even tho i did send him an email telling him i did not receive an email.

[Import_Sound]

my hotmail is messed up or something, im not getting messages that anybody posted in the thread like i usually do with others. But i don't have a junk mail, i disabled it. Just incase things like this happen.

[thomas uzarski]

i found out hotmail is not letting emails thru, better off getting a different one.pm darknight he could help u out.

[thomas uzarski]

repeat srry

[rsisbetter]

i have not gotten any email yet, i have hotmail, and have NEVER had any problems with anyone sending me somthing...

[c3hp0]

Michael indicates that "the payments are taken care of." I take that to mean that he has received everyone's payments, but it was in reply to my question about money orders being received.

Nice job, guys.

Now we wait for shipment.

[Darkknight]

Originally posted by rsisbetter
i have not gotten any email yet, i have hotmail, and have NEVER had any problems with anyone sending me somthing...

Well as I said, apparently you and other hotmail users are having problems. Because there are 31 email addresses on there, and I'd bet yours is one of them. The worse part is, most of you don't even know when you are missing an email. You just get mad when you think somebody never sent it to you.

Import: I forwarded the email to you as requested.

Thomas: Even if he replied to the email you just sent him, how would he reply back? It seems hotmail is blocking a lot of email addresses.

I suggest you guys start using either the email address you get from your ISP or sign up for a free excite account.

[jberaue]

Got an e-mail notification from FedEx last night, my pulley is in transit and will arrive on April 4th. Just gotta find a belt and I'm set...does anybody have the part number for the Gatorback or ACDelco belts that will work with this pulley on a 3400 GA?
Thanks and thank you c3hp0!

[Import_Sound]

Fed Ex just emailed me too. Can't wait :)

[thomas uzarski]

this is from page one.When you buy the UDP you'll need a smaller serp belt as well. I went with the Gatorback Belt, part #: 4060855 and works perfectly

[c3hp0]

Relevant post here on GAOC about UDP and belts (http://www.gaownersclub.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=52688)

From the installation instructions at FFP (http://www.fastfwdperformance.com/pdf/pulley%20instructions.pdf):
You will need to purchase a shorter belt (around $25 for a gatorback). Since every chassis (and some years) uses a different belt length (due to engine mount design), the best way to find the correct belt for your application is to first find out what length your stock belt is and subtract one inch.. Any parts store should be able to help you with this. Have them look up the belt number for your application… the last 3 digits of the belt number is the length of the belt. For example, a belt number of 5060715 would have a length of 71.5”. Once you know the stock belt length, subtract 1” to get your new belt length. Then have them get you a belt with the correct last 3 digits.

The link to the discussion about belts lists a belt for the 3100, but I'd use the recommendation from FFP's instructions.

[96mcls]

i have my belt already, i'm slapping a 3800 alternator pulley on my alt. which allows you to use the stock size belt, and give a tiny little HP gain. oh and w-body's crank pullies are easier to install, no removing mounts for me:bogey:

[rsisbetter]

well, i emailed michael @ ffp, and hope to recieve somthing from him. (im not making a new email account just for this, if not ABSOLUTELY neccessary)

[Darkknight]

Originally posted by 96mcls
i have my belt already, i'm slapping a 3800 alternator pulley on my alt. which allows you to use the stock size belt, and give a tiny little HP gain. oh and w-body's crank pullies are easier to install, no removing mounts for me:bogey:

So you are both using a smaller crank pulley and a larger alt pulley at the same time then? Hmm, I hope you don't have any idle charging issues.

FWIW, I have not received any emails from fedex yet. :(

[96mcls]

Originally posted by Darkknight
So you are both using a smaller crank pulley and a larger alt pulley at the same time then? Hmm, I hope you don't have any idle charging issues.



i never let my car idle for long, i usually try to keep moving. and from what i have heard no one has has any problems with the set up. but if i do i can just put the stock alt pulley back on nd buy another belt. the only real reason i'm doing it is because i just bought a new belt not even 2 months ago and i don't want to go out and buy another.

[c3hp0]

Where do you source the 3800 alt pulley and what is change in the measured output at idle with such a config?

Don't know the relevance of such a tweak/mod to the n-body platform, but check out ZZP's .5 volt increase by diode mod for w-bodies (http://www.zzperformance.com/grand_prix/articles1.php?id=48). No tech articles, as that one is called, are listed for Grand Ams on ZZP's site, so architecture differences may be an issue.

What is also common in the w-body community, and something I've done on my Regal, is to upgrade the wiring that runs to/from the battery/alt/grounds. I haven't looked hard at the Alero, but I imagine some of those wires could be upgraded for slight increases in voltage. I gained about a half volt at idle (13.7 to 14.2) with just the alt to fusebox rewire with 4 ga power wire (actually added a second run of ga on top of factory run) and cleaning up the battery ground (removing paint).

[96mcls]

you actually lose volts doing this, however i'm sure with the "big 3" mod(i have already done) the voltage drop will not be much if any over stock, plus there are a few w-body guys running this mod with audio systems and have had no problems. i don't have a system, and i never plan on getting one, also i have no extra stuff to drain power so i figure i should be good.

i just see buying a $5 pulley from a JY was better than a $30 surp belt

i will slap the multi meter to it before and after i do the the pulley swaps, and tell how it goes. from what i have heard the 3800 pulley is about 20% larger over the stock pulley

[c3hp0]

When I get some time, I'll measure the alt pulley on the Regal and compare to the Alero (don't have calipers, but any method used reliably on both will yield a relatively accurate difference - or, I might just purchase some calipers).

[rsisbetter]

ok, so, what i have gathered from this conversation about the 3800 alt. pulley, is that, with the UD pulley and 3800 pulley, you can still use the stock size 660 belt? or is this incorrect?
Thanks

[96mcls]

from what i under stand yes you keep the stock size belt. i have already learned that for i to work i need need one from a newer 3800, best to find a 3800 alternator without the external cooling fins. how ever i'm not sure if n-bodies the alternator is any different from a w-body, or if their is any canges thru the years

[c3hp0]

2000 Regal alt pulley is ~ 5.7cm diameter, where 02 Alero alt pulley is ~ 4.8cm diameter, measured with inexpensive caliper, with belts on, but after subtracting belt thickness. Circumferences are 17.91 cm and 15.08.

Difference is 16 percent under for the w-body pulley. Belts are both 2cm wide and the mounts appear to be the same.

I'll likely change my belt out anyway (just over 60,000kms or 40,000 miles now), but I'll probably try a w-body pulley with the other upgrades.

Haven't looked for the orange voltage ref wire mentioned in the zzp article for w-bodies, but will do that soon. I imagine it is the same as the w-body, since I'm assuming that the n-bodies also control alt output via the pcm and the alts otherwise look identical.

[Mr.H.O]

Just following up on my pulley and was wondering if you have heard anything from Michael c3hp0?

[wasas9]

check ur fedex tracking #. Mine says it JUST SHIPPED from colorado today, when it was dropped off on march 31. **** fedex

[Mr.H.O]

Where would I find that? I havent recieved any mail or message yet regarding the pulley!

[96mcls]

mine arived in HENDERSON, CO a whopping 75 miles from colorado springs in 4 days, only another 800+ miles to go for the estimated april 5th delivery date.

[c3hp0]

I haven't received any emails either, but mine is being shipped across the border and by UPS (all Canadian orders), not Fedex (all U.S. orders).

The last info I have from Michael is that he received all the payments and not to worry, which was on March 30.

I say give it 5 to 10 business days from yesterday (the pulleys were to have shipped out on the weekend). Many to most are likely to arrive sooner.

[96mcls]

i checked today and it's on the truck to my house as i type

[rsisbetter]

HA! got my pulley today! mmm, love them M.O.'s Me in as east of nebraska as it gets. Also, thanks for everyone who got in it, and c3hp0 for all your work, off the clock ;)
Cody

[96mcls]

i got mine too, it's damn sexy

funny thing is i might trade my car in this weekend for an impala, it's got a 3400 so either way it works out

[xtremecold]

lol im a lil late now but i think i decided i might want a ffp pulley instead of my rsm pulley i have on now. lol doooh i missed out

[Import_Sound]

I got mine at noon today and damn it sure looks sexy. lol

[c3hp0]

Good to see people receiving product.

As for the diode voltage boost working in n-bodies, I should've looked harder. ZZP sells a packaged solution - essentially a male and female inline connector with one or two diodes in the middle (stage 1 or 2): http://www.zzperformance.com/grand_am/products1.php?id=518

So, I'm curious what people will see with the 3800 alt pulley installed in terms of voltage drop. I'm sure with the ZZP product (16 to 20 bucks) and at least one of the big 3 upgrades, any appreciable voltage drop will be made up, but I don't have a firm grasp on whether the diode mod causes and increase in the alt's mechanical load on the drive system (i.e. the crank pulley) and if so, to what extent.

[rperrone]

I just got an email from fedex - looks like mine is waiting for me at home... Can't wait to get there...

Thanx again everyone - especially c3...

[Darkknight]

Got mine today. Looks pretty spiffy, though I didn't realize it was actually 2 pieces screwed together.

[sick2002GAGT]

woohoo, got my pully today, and i already bought the belt.
i cant wait to get it on.

thanks c3 for puttin this together!

[kaseobeer2585]

He sent me an email saying my card wouldnt go through his system or something goofy like that and I have to use another card. Well I dont have another card what am I supposed to do? Its my check card and I have more than enough money in there.

[rsisbetter]

1. i looked for a long time, and i could only come across a 70.3 gates, or a 69.5 gatorback/dayco, nothing in the middle, so i went with the 69.5 and seems to work just fine. What have other used as far as belt length, brand?

2. i was at u-pull-it on sat. and was unable to locate any larger 3800 alt. pulley, is there any particular make/model, or phase of 3800 engine this pulley is on?

[96mcls]

it's on seriesII 3800's. look for 97+ GP's or 98+ monte or regals ect. you need to find an alternator with the the internal cooling fins in the alternator(like our alternators) if the 3800 alt. has exterior fins the pulley won't work.

you could try other GM cars, maybe even other makes, there are not that may different alt. pullies out there.

it's pretty shocking how heavy the alt. pulleys are, i haven't put it on a scale but the 3800 pulley feels a tad lighter than the FFP pulley.

[c3hp0]

Can you use someone else's CC and pay them back. Or, can you set up your card on PayPal and send the funds to him that way? Lastly, you coul send a money order, but only if he accepts that method. Email him directly for approval of any of the other methods.

Cheque cards are not credit cards, per se, so that's likely why it won't go through.

I'm writing an exam soon, so I'll not be checking here for a few days. GL.

[c3hp0]

Mine arrived today - picked up from neighbour. Looks good.

Off to study...

[sick2002GAGT]

so has anyone else gotten their pully on yet? Got mine on and im lovin it!

[Bjornboy81]

Originally posted by Darkknight
Got mine today. Looks pretty spiffy, though I didn't realize it was actually 2 pieces screwed together. it's two peices pressed together. the center is hardend steel while the pulley itself is aluminum. The screws you see are to hold in the crank position ring. :)

Just to remind everyone with the 3x00, the ring has to be aligned in a certain position to avoid misfiring. It's been posted a few times, but make sure one of the "windows" of the ring is in line with the keyway. Make is as perfectly in line as possible!!! :)

[c3hp0]

Gates replacement belt is a K060864, sourced through NAPA. You can pick up an alt pulley from any alt rebuilder for $10 - tell them you want a pulley for a 98-2003 GTP.

Originally posted by rsisbetter
1. i looked for a long time, and i could only come across a 70.3 gates, or a 69.5 gatorback/dayco, nothing in the middle, so i went with the 69.5 and seems to work just fine. What have other used as far as belt length, brand?

2. i was at u-pull-it on sat. and was unable to locate any larger 3800 alt. pulley, is there any particular make/model, or phase of 3800 engine this pulley is on?

[c3hp0]

Just bought couple of pulleys from an alt repair shop (they do other work) for $10 each. They pulled them off of alternators that were sitting around, sandblasted, and painted them.

57mm (2.25 inches) is the size. The alternator is a CS130D (Delco part number).

[c3hp0]

Missed this link to picks and the voltage diff (1/10 of a volt at load on an older Beretta):

http://fastfwdperformance.com/udinfo.htm

And, here is the dyno graph link:

http://fastfwdperformance.com/uddyno.html

Anyone have the torque specs for the 99+ GA/Alero?

[02gagt]

Got my ffp pulley put on my 93Z. It made a load of difference specially in the top end. The car pulls hard clear up thru 4th gear now. thanks alot c3hp0 and ffp.

[bu01]

can we still get in the GB for the FFP underdrive pully

[c3hp0]

Sorry, the group purchase is now closed.

[beeryc01]

I have a 2.4 but if the price is right im in too

[sush]

hi,
im going to buy the UDP now, i just wanted to know where i can get the gatorback belt from (part# 4060855), this in the one that a '05 SE 3400 would need right?

[OnebadGL]

Originally posted by Shad0wguy
For the 3400, depending on the price, you can count me in.


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