Engine Upgrades

[blake_]

Is it possible to put in any kind of engine with custom work?

[slowbird]

Almost anything is possible with enough money...the real question is:

What engines are worth doing a swap for the Money and time?

[hayabusa]

the rb26dett

[urweak]

Originally posted by hayabusa
the rb26dett

:roll2: :lol: but only if you put it into a 60's mustang :lol: :roll2:

[TorquePower]

Originally posted by urweak
:roll2: :lol: but only if you put it into a 60's mustang :lol: :roll2:

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Tebore]

Originally posted by urweak
:roll2: :lol: but only if you put it into a 60's mustang :lol: :roll2:

Mus... stang? You mean that really slow sports car that ford still makes? :lol:

[Korbendallas68]

Originally posted by blake_
Is it possible to put in any kind of engine with custom work?

Might help to say what engine you have.........

[Dubble0GT]

put a srt4 engine in with the turbo.....or the 3800 supercharged

[slowbird]

Originally posted by Dubble0GT
put a srt4 engine in with the turbo.....or the 3800 supercharged

Those are two engines that are not worth the time and effort to install into an N-Body.... In my opinion.

[Tebore]

^^ Well the SRT engine isn't worth it since it's pretty much at it's max output. The 3800 SC maybe, if I had the money to make it in to a monster power house first.

[slowbird]

The amount of time and money spent on installing a L67 into a Grand Am and building it up could be spent upgrading the 3400 motor and tranny to have more power.

The 3800 is an anchor anyways.

...in my opinion.

[bandit307]

What about the cadillac CTS 3600. 255 HP, Naturally Asperated. I imagine it can be boosted up a bit more yet too.

[Tebore]

^^ That's a sweet motor I wanna see what it can do when it gets more mature and there's a more aggressive mod scene for it.

[bandit307]

Thanks for the agreement Jay. Ya im just waiting to see some more mods out there for it. then its go time.

I personally think it would be a worth while swap considering it comes with a Six speed Manual trans.

[Tebore]

The only thing is I hope they didnt' make stupid design decisions like with the northstars. You can't rebuild or it isn't worth rebuilding northstars. I hope the new tech like new oiling system and direct injection don't come back to bite them in the ass.

[bandit307]

Ya thats a good point. Well i guess its all a matter of time. I would swap out right now, but i dont want to loose all that money if the engine Bombs on me.

So i guess its all just a matter of time.

[PontiacGT]

Originally posted by urweak
:roll2: :lol: but only if you put it into a 60's mustang :lol: :roll2:


Omfg I laughed so hard when I read that ahhaha!:lol: :lol: :lol:

nice reference...

PS....good luck finding that engine

[99blackSE]

Originally posted by bandit307
What about the cadillac CTS 3600. 255 HP, Naturally Asperated. I imagine it can be boosted up a bit more yet too.

If I am not mistaken, isn't the CTS a RWD platform?

[Tebore]

Yeh it is. And thats the engine in it. The 07 G6 GXP is getting it as an option to the 3900. So for the first time since the Quad 4 the GA is getting a performance engine again.

[hayabusa]

the quad four isn't that great, my brother has the same year as me but the quad four and i smoke him everytime

[hayabusa]

the caddy engine sounds awesome thogth,but a personal love the 3.1 because of the fact that i can constently redline it and my engine runs fine 91000 miles. But unfortuntatly i did wear out my stearing pump(sob)

[Korbendallas68]

STOP IT!

ugh. your compairing apples and oranges. Both engines are very good engines, it just depends on what you do to it and how you treat them.

The guy hasn't even said what motor he has.

[TorquePower]

if any import engine, try to get this bad boy in


http://www.jdmracingmotors.com/index.php?area=motors&motor_id=47

[Foxy]

Originally posted by Tebore
^^ Well the SRT engine isn't worth it since it's pretty much at it's max output. The 3800 SC maybe, if I had the money to make it in to a monster power house first.

The SRT-4 engine is stupid easy to make more horsepower out of. Heck, Dodge will sell you a kit that ups the horsepower by 50% - with a warranty!

[Tebore]

Originally posted by Foxy
The SRT-4 engine is stupid easy to make more horsepower out of. Heck, Dodge will sell you a kit that ups the horsepower by 50% - with a warranty!

If I'm gonna do that I'd rather take an Ecotec and use the 1200HP book that GM put out.

[hayabusa]

i was thingking about putting in a dodge daytona engine turbo six 3.0 inline. i think 235 hp

[matts]

you want a caddy engine? get a CTS-V drivetrain and throw in it :D

[DontPassTheFence]

Originally posted by hayabusa
the quad four isn't that great, my brother has the same year as me but the quad four and i smoke him everytime

he must have an automatic transmission, or may not know how to drive a 5 speed, or maybe he has the SOHC. Either way the HO QUAD 4 and its W41 counterpart are superior to most other engines that have been implemented in n-bodies. They just require special maintenance and love.

[slowbird]

This is turning into the daydream post...what can I do if money, time, difficulty, and reality was not an option.

In my opinion a Fully Balanced and Blueprinted 3.4L DOHC motor mated to a nice rebuilt 5-speed tranny would be what I'd love to try squeezing in my GAGT....

but it could never be.

[Matt95GT]

That's it... I'm gonna beat all of you...

http://www.ship-technology.com/contractor_images/gerb/Shiptech4.jpg

[DontPassTheFence]

Hey if I had my way, my GA would have a fully blueprinted 2.4L block mated to a ported/polished 2.3 HO head, secret cams, knife-edged 2.4L crank, forged pistons, forged h-beam rods, titanium valve stems/springs, remove the internal balance shafts, open up the oil passages a bit, use the best damn head gasket I could find, get a lightweight flywheel, bolt on a modest turbo, internal wastegate, 2.75'' charge piping on the intake side, and 3'' piping on the exhaust side, custom ported exhaust manifold, all custom titanium exhaust with 3'' mandrel bends, and for the rest of the drivetrain I would figure how to wedge the STi AWD system (I forgot the trim level that comes with the adjustable center differential, but Id use that) then probably find a nice lightweight flywheel and probably use that with a dual friction clutch.

But wait, its never gonna happen :D

[Tebore]

Originally posted by Matt95GT
That's it... I'm gonna beat all of you...


Don't make me get the RAMJET pic. Freaking a jet engine strapped to a dodge ram. That'll blow the pants off that engine.

[Matt95GT]

Originally posted by Tebore
Don't make me get the RAMJET pic. Freaking a jet engine strapped to a dodge ram. That'll blow the pants off that engine.

My torque will 0wN j00!!!1!!1!

[TorquePower]

http://auto.sohu.com/piclib/vw/bugatti/veyron/big/Bugatti_EB_16-4_Veyron027.jpg

I'll own you all!

[urweak]

This thread ****ing blows.................

Lets put "JDM" engines in our car b/c anything about "JDM" is cool and fast. Then you can go drift in your hella tight "JDM" powered grand am. That would be so cool.

Or wait, lets put another over hyped engine that wasnt built by GM into a grand am, b/c i mean theres no good motors from GM anyways.........................

I am going to go jump off a bridge now, i cant stand this shit anymore......

[Korbendallas68]

Originally posted by urweak
This thread ****ing blows.................

True

[Foxy]

Originally posted by Tebore
If I'm gonna do that I'd rather take an Ecotec and use the 1200HP book that GM put out.

Okie.

Just don't say that the SRT-4's engine is maxed out.. Those things are crazy little engines. I think you can get them to about 400whp without doing internals.

[Tebore]

Ok tell me how what's the max power made from the SRT-4 Engine? Because my impression is it's pretty much at the edge of what it's capable of without doing internal work when you compare it to L67.

[ChevelleSSLS6]

stupid link didnt work:( nevermind this post

[urweak]

Originally posted by Tebore
Ok tell me how what's the max power made from the SRT-4 Engine? Because my impression is it's pretty much at the edge of what it's capable of without doing internal work when you compare it to L67.

i would say in the area of 350-400 at the crank

[Foxy]

Originally posted by Tebore
Ok tell me how what's the max power made from the SRT-4 Engine? Because my impression is it's pretty much at the edge of what it's capable of without doing internal work when you compare it to L67.

I have no idea what an L67 is.. but considering that Mopar sells parts with a factory warranty that'll bump up output by 50%, that's hardly running the stock engine at the ragged edge.

There's tons of dyno sheets (http://www.srtforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=228875) available for your perusal.

AGP gt40 kit
emanage
750's
walbro
agp race fmic
3inch single exhaust
profec b
clutchmaster stage 4 6 puck
stock I/M and TB
stock block
stock head
stock intercooler pipes
c16
31 psi
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b142/blacksrt-4u/cabeza.jpg

I don't think any of those are 'internals.' Bolt on exhaust, ECU upgrade, fuel pumps, FMIC, exhaust, boost controller - no idea what a 750 is. Granted, he's on C16, but still - even on pump gas, he'll still be putting down quite a bit of power.

But hey, it's a free country. If you don't like the SRT-4's engine, and want to put in whatever you want, be my guest! Isn't choice wonderful?

Please keep in mind that I am only responding to this quote: "^^ Well the SRT engine isn't worth it since it's pretty much at it's max output. " I don't care about other engines. I'm merely pointing out that it is possible to extract significant numbers from the SRT-4's engine. It's not maxxed out by any means.

[TorquePower]

Originally posted by urweak
This thread ****ing blows.................

Lets put "JDM" engines in our car b/c anything about "JDM" is cool and fast. Then you can go drift in your hella tight "JDM" powered grand am. That would be so cool.

Or wait, lets put another over hyped engine that wasnt built by GM into a grand am, b/c i mean theres no good motors from GM anyways.........................

I am going to go jump off a bridge now, i cant stand this shit anymore......

Spoon is better than JDM. And yeah, GM makes some engines that are :shit:. Tell me a good GM engine that can take a constant beating by being raced, revved up, redlined everyday, and I'll tell you many import engines.

[Foxy]

Um.. do you know what JDM means?

[Matt95GT]

Originally posted by Foxy
Um.. do you know what JDM means?

:rofl:

Yes, this thread is beyond sucking now.

[slowbird]

Originally posted by Foxy
Um.. do you know what JDM means?

I don't...please explain.

[Matt95GT]

JDM = Japanese Domestic Market

A term that has been bastardized by such wonderful things like the Fast & Furious movie series and every chode selling junk parts on eBay. It boggles me that people will purchase parts (ever for US domestic makes!) that sellers label "JDM" like it's something better than anything else.

[slowbird]

Ah!

[99blackSE]

Ah, the L67 eh. Foxy the L67 is the Supercharged 3800 Series II V6 in found in the Buick Regal GS, Buick Park Avenue, Oldsmobile LSS, Pontiac Grand Prix GTP, Pontiac Bonneville SSEi, I think that is all. Well those are the ones that have the M90 Eaton in them anyways. Very mod friendly car, very easy to get power out of.

Foxy I am also guessing that the 750's mentioned above would be 750 cc injectors? I would think so because running 31 lbs of boost will probably need a lot of fuel...

[urweak]

Originally posted by Foxy
Um.. do you know what JDM means?

Originally posted by Matt95GT
JDM = Japanese Domestic Market

You guys beat me to it. But yea Spoon = JDM.



Originally posted by Matt95GT
:rofl:

Yes, this thread is beyond sucking now.

x elevendy billion

[car audio dave]

how come nobody mentioned the 3.5L DOHC motor? its sort of the newer version of the 3.4L DOHC motor that GM made. yea, it is garbage, about 2000 hours of R&D time short of a decent quality motor.

thats actually the motor that i was considering. it is pretty much what GM should have pursued to use in all of the newer cars to keep up with the japanese competition, instead of the pushrod motors. imagine a motor made by GM thats very competitive with the VQ35 that nissan/infinity uses. the G6 coupe could compete with the 350Z, the G6 sedan could compete with the maxima and the malibu could compete with the altima.

BTW, whoever would use a motor thats not GM in a GM car is retarded. that procedure used to be called a hybrid setup, but now that term has been bastardized by the gas/electric wave of cars.

http://www.paceparts.com/ProductImages/manufacturer/gm/images/12458123.gif

[Foxy]

Originally posted by 99blackSE
Ah, the L67 eh. Foxy the L67 is the Supercharged 3800 Series II V6 in found in the Buick Regal GS, Buick Park Avenue, Oldsmobile LSS, Pontiac Grand Prix GTP, Pontiac Bonneville SSEi, I think that is all. Well those are the ones that have the M90 Eaton in them anyways. Very mod friendly car, very easy to get power out of.

Foxy I am also guessing that the 750's mentioned above would be 750 cc injectors? I would think so because running 31 lbs of boost will probably need a lot of fuel...

Thanks for the info! And yeah, the 750 = injectors makes sense. I should've seen that..

I don't think a G6 could compete with a 350Z, simply because of FWD vs RWD, as well as basic chassis tuning...

[RisingX2004]

The SRT 2.4 can take a hell of a beating on stock internals. The new SRT motor thats going on the new Caliber has Variable Valve Timing and puts out 300hp at the crank. They even put a 6 speed with it. The peak torque comes in at 2000rpm and stays until 6000. Its one hell of a little motor.

[Tebore]

Hmm maybe I should get a Ne... ack hmm SRT4.

Those are impressive numbers.