Tint on the outside of window? [Archive] - Grand Am Owners Club Forums

TA^Guy

03-12-2006, 12:11 AM

Originally posted by quadkid
well did you also notice they call themselves professionals and still use rattle can paint to paint interior pieces? I think if i were to pay them for their "worldwide fame" i would at least expect a spray gun job.

They do some nice work, but a lot of it is lacking IMO. I fully. I still can't believe they have a enormous shop like that and use rattle cans. I wonder how happy the customers are down teh road when it starts flaking off.

Outrage

03-12-2006, 01:17 AM

I too saw this episode, or one like it. They were doing a Trailblazer for some charity. They were applying the tint to the outside, not measuring...

JoeyK

03-12-2006, 01:39 AM

Originally posted by TA^Guy
I fully. I still can't believe they have a enormous shop like that and use rattle cans. I wonder how happy the customers are down teh road when it starts flaking off.

There's nothing wrong with bug bomb paint on interior trim if the surface is prepped right. Infact it will hold better than mixed exterior paint due to the fact that there are alot more solvents in "rattle can" paint. The solvents act as a bonding agent as they soften most plastics, giving that paint a chance to really bite into the softened plastic. once it all cures it has a death grip just as long as the surface is free of all oils & mold releases & is lightly abraided. whenever I shoot any interior parts I will hit the prepped part with a mist of cleaning thinner to soften the plastic before useing any dye of exterior paint. It's just an oldschool trick that works rather well. So you see by using a rattle can they are effectively & cheaply obtaining the same results without have to run the the supplier to pay $50 to $75 a quart for interior paint & or exterior at an even higher price. A safe, sound measure that's ok unless you're trying to obtain the sheen & gloss of exterior paint on a large surface area, then I say go with real exterior paint out of the gun.

Sometimes things may look really odd to lamens but in all reality have a purpose that is not obvious.:)

JoeyK

03-12-2006, 01:48 AM

Originally posted by Outrage
I too saw this episode, or one like it. They were doing a Trailblazer for some charity. They were applying the tint to the outside, not measuring...

I caught a glimse of it tonight too. It appeared to me they were going about it in a normal fashion, which is to get the pattern cut by hanging it on the outside of the window, then applying it to the inside.

Ghostgt

03-12-2006, 03:23 AM

I am pretty sure that they applied it to the outside,plus i have seen it done a few times on the show not just on the Trailblazer. Trav

quadkid

03-12-2006, 10:30 AM

for the amount of money running through that place I still dont see a good reason to use spray bomb. I have used both bomb and gun paints on parts and there isnt even a close comparison to the quality. And wheres their spray booth? I wouldnt charge anyone any price if i was using $10 cans of paint, and spraying them outside in the yard. That should be a free service.

RedGrandAm2003

03-12-2006, 10:46 AM

:idea:

Everyone send me their parts that need painting, a can of spray paint, and 5 dollars per part, I'll hook you up :) lmao

JoeyK

03-12-2006, 12:20 PM

Did you guys see the spray can they were using? SEM is serious paint in a can. Alot of shops use it on interiors. Laugh all you want, it's easy to when you don't use it everyday. I've used the stuff for years. You laughing at what you saw on U.W. is like me laughing at an F1 pit mechanic.

Ahh,... better yet. you two tell me how you would prep up & paint a dashboard & what products you'd use, spray temps, humidity & air pressure. That way you can prove those guys wrong.

PontiacGA

03-12-2006, 12:36 PM

Tint on the outside? Well, thats just :gay:

:lol:

matts

03-12-2006, 01:25 PM

are ya'll serious? they weren't tinting on the outside, i promise. you put the tint on the outside of the window and cut it down to the size it needs to be. and when you see him using the squeegie (sp?) he's just getting the water out from underneath it to make sure it fits more accurately. if you ever get your car windows tinted watch them do it....they'll do the same exact thing.

and i dont see anything wrong with spray paint. prep work is what makes or breaks a paint job. i've painted interior pieces with spray paint and it holds up well if you do it right and take care of it.

RedGrandAm2003

03-12-2006, 01:33 PM

I cant see them tinting on the outside... unless they were lazy. I watched the guy I had do mine do it... he used a plastic card type thing, like a bigger credit card type thing, and a heat gun. also told me to use my credit card/bank card to push the water behind the tint, out from underneath it if bubbles form.

PontiacGA

03-12-2006, 03:23 PM

I painted my interior pieces with 'rattle cans' and they've held up and look great after many years. Of course, I added several coats of clear coat, also.;)

Bouchie11982

03-12-2006, 03:36 PM

Originally posted by dmbprep69
r u sure they werent just measuring the tint on the outside of the window? I know that common practice among most professional tinters...
Peace,
Andrew
ye ai think they were doing that...there would be no way they would put tint on the outside. ALOT of places first put the tin on the outside of the window to measure eactly then they place it on the inside.

bp's97GAGT

03-12-2006, 11:33 PM

tint is like a two sided mirror. if you applied it to the outside, you would be able to see in from outside and it would be hard to see out the windows from inside of the car. I'm talking 5% here but you guys get the point.

matts

03-12-2006, 11:40 PM

Originally posted by RedGrandAm2003
I cant see them tinting on the outside... unless they were lazy. I watched the guy I had do mine do it... he used a plastic card type thing, like a bigger credit card type thing, and a heat gun. also told me to use my credit card/bank card to push the water behind the tint, out from underneath it if bubbles form.

depending on what type of tint you have...dyed, dyed/metal, metal, a credit card CAN, but not necissarily will, scratch your tint. usually they use a big rubber squeegie.

DontPassTheFence

03-13-2006, 12:24 AM

Maybe whoever did my tint is a retard, but I have tint on both sides of the windows... Its pretty cool, Ill take a pic some time of it. (remember I have 5% visability all around, except the windshield)

TA^Guy

03-13-2006, 03:34 AM

Originally posted by JoeyK
Did you guys see the spray can they were using? SEM is serious paint in a can. Alot of shops use it on interiors. Laugh all you want, it's easy to when you don't use it everyday. I've used the stuff for years. You laughing at what you saw on U.W. is like me laughing at an F1 pit mechanic.

Ahh,... better yet. you two tell me how you would prep up & paint a dashboard & what products you'd use, spray temps, humidity & air pressure. That way you can prove those guys wrong. Not sure what products I would use because I'm not fimular with spraying interior parts, it would be surface prepped with a solivant first for sure, primered, and painted. Temps isn't such a issue as keeping it below 80% humidity and air pressure would all depend on the gun I'm use to how much my fluid knob is adjusted. I used to spray between 15-17psi, as where I know other guys using the same gun would spray around 20psi.

I'm not concerned that they don't spray in a booth either, especially since I know many shops that do great work don't have booths. For example the hood on my truck has only one spec it in and it wasn't easy to spot. It wasn't painted in a booth but it's done extremly well. However I don't think I'd spray right outside like that due to uncontroled airborne dirt, bugs, etc.

And it's not just the paint that they are unprofessional about. They change wheels with a floor jack... Just a floor jack, no jack stand under it. When they bolt the wheel back on they hammer it on with a impact gun, not even a torque stick on it. I also remember one guy extending wires in one eposide before and he 'twist and taped' it. No solder or shrink tubing.

Sorry but very 'un'professional practices IMO.

matts

03-13-2006, 12:39 PM

yeah, ive noticed the lack of jack stands. i dont guess i've paid attention to their wiring practices. one thing i noticed on a recent episode was that he was washing cars out in the direct sunlight, but he was complaining that he didnt want the suds drying in the sun. i thought hell, get the car in the shade and you wouldnt have that problem.

TA^Guy

03-13-2006, 03:01 PM

Matt, they aren't the brightest group thats for sure.

I have seen them use shrink tubing when doing wiring on lambo doors for a customer beofre, but why would you twist and tape something, especially knowing there is a camera in your face?

matts

03-13-2006, 11:02 PM

im not sure.

i will give them credit for having enough ballsac to start ripping and painting on some of the nice vehicles they have. i'd be nervous as hell

Ghostgt

03-16-2006, 12:33 AM

To get this thread back on topic,i just saw on Unique Whips the tint guy applying tint to the outside of the orange Lambo.He wasn't just sizing it he actually installed it on the outside.I am now thinking that i might try tinting my rear window by applying the tint on the outside.Anyone want to voice there opinions?Trav

RedGrandAm2003

03-16-2006, 07:31 AM

Personally, I think it'll wear out/fade/do whatever alot quicker. I'd try doing from the inside first.

TA^Guy

03-16-2006, 12:09 PM

Originally posted by Ghostgt
To get this thread back on topic,i just saw on Unique Whips the tint guy applying tint to the outside of the orange Lambo.He wasn't just sizing it he actually installed it on the outside.I am now thinking that i might try tinting my rear window by applying the tint on the outside.Anyone want to voice there opinions?Trav
It'll scratch easy.

ga5speed02

03-16-2006, 12:41 PM

Trav, take you car to a shop, have a pro do it, and do it on the inside. :) cant go wrong, thats how its been done for years.

nineteen88ga

03-16-2006, 01:35 PM

To answer the tint and interior paint questions.

Tint: The tint is applied to the inside of the window. Since they're using hand cut tint the practice of using a heat gun actually forms the tint to the shape of the window. In order to get the propper shape the tint must be squeegied out (while on the outside) just as if it was being applied to the inside of the window. This along with using the heat gun to for the tint to the window will make it better then any computer cut tint. Plus makes it easier to apply once its going on the inside of the glass since it is formed perfectly to the outside.

Interior paint: 9 times out of 10 its all about prep work. If the part to be painted is cleaned, scuffed, and primed you will not have any problem with paint flaking...ever! Its the same paint used in a spray gun, just pre-mixed. Everyone sees it as possibly halfassed, just because we're all read (or seen in your friends car)about how paint bubbled or "fish eyed" as soon as it was sprayed on the plastic. Guess what that is... BAD PREP! As somone mentioned, They're also using SEM paint. Some of the best spray can paint money can buy. I've used it as well as other spray cans plenty of times with results youd expect from a bodyshop.

DontPassTheFence

03-16-2006, 02:25 PM

Oh I lied guys!!! upon closer inspection its just 2 tint films on the inside of the winodw (some peeled off since its crappy and half-assed, I can see both layers now) My under layer (applied directly to the window) is a medium purple and the top layer is the actual tinted black layer where most of the darkness comes from

RedGrandAm2003

03-16-2006, 05:00 PM

That sounds like its purdyful, Matt. lol I only have one layer, and my friends always pick at the corners and crap, so I dont let them in my car anymore :)

magyver

03-16-2006, 05:39 PM

yeah, tint is on the INSIDE ONLY.. man, i swear the common sense is lacking... its TINT! it will scratch easy! rain is acidic.. it will eat at somting as delacate as tint.. OMG.. man.. somtimes... people just dont use there brain..

and people hatin on spray paint gets old.. ITS ALL THE PREP! like already said..

remember kids, when ya get off the short bus, and your mom asks you what you learned today, you can say tint is applied to the OUTSIDE!

Ghostgt

03-16-2006, 06:26 PM

Thanks for giving me the correct info guys.Is there anyone on here in MI that would be willing to tint my windows for me?The one shop in town tried and couldn't do it.Go figure.PM me if you'd be interested in tinting them for me. Trav

nineteen88ga

03-16-2006, 06:44 PM

why couldn't they tint your car? I'm hoping its because they were busy or something. No reason at all not to be able to tint a 98 Grand Am.....

Try another Shop.

ga5speed02

03-16-2006, 06:52 PM

Originally posted by nineteen88ga
To answer the tint and interior paint questions.

Tint: The tint is applied to the inside of the window. Since they're using hand cut tint the practice of using a heat gun actually forms the tint to the shape of the window. In order to get the propper shape the tint must be squeegied out (while on the outside) just as if it was being applied to the inside of the window. This along with using the heat gun to for the tint to the window will make it better then any computer cut tint. Plus makes it easier to apply once its going on the inside of the glass since it is formed perfectly to the outside.

Interior paint: 9 times out of 10 its all about prep work. If the part to be painted is cleaned, scuffed, and primed you will not have any problem with paint flaking...ever! Its the same paint used in a spray gun, just pre-mixed. Everyone sees it as possibly halfassed, just because we're all read (or seen in your friends car)about how paint bubbled or "fish eyed" as soon as it was sprayed on the plastic. Guess what that is... BAD PREP! As somone mentioned, They're also using SEM paint. Some of the best spray can paint money can buy. I've used it as well as other spray cans plenty of times with results youd expect from a bodyshop.

WHAT HE SAID

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Originally posted by magyver
yeah, tint is on the INSIDE ONLY.. man, i swear the common sense is lacking... its TINT! it will scratch easy! rain is acidic.. it will eat at somting as delacate as tint.. OMG.. man.. somtimes... people just dont use there brain..

and people hatin on spray paint gets old.. ITS ALL THE PREP! like already said..

remember kids, when ya get off the short bus, and your mom asks you what you learned today, you can say tint is applied to the OUTSIDE!

:agree2::agree:

TA^Guy

03-17-2006, 02:03 AM

Sorry spray cans, no jackstands, impact guns tightening lug nuts on alloy wheels, no torque wrenches, etc. spells amature hour.

With the exception of the custom interior leather work and maybe custom stereo's (I'm not big in A/V stuff) mechanically I'd work circles around them and do it all safer and correctly.

Just watched it th eother day and the tard was putting the wrong lug nuts on a custom wheel. It was a closed end lugnut and he was wondering why it only had so many turns on it. Well let's see if the stud is bottoming out in the lug nut it must not be the correct one right? Dee Dee Deeeeeeee!

ga5speed02

03-17-2006, 11:47 AM

i saw that show Unique Whips once. i wonderd how they got a TV show. it was the one when they put a custom system in a balck C5 vette. it looked good an all, but that one guy is such a tool. he put that mullet hat/wig thing on. what a tart and they put some stuff in that baseball players truck. they installeda reaview cam and made it out to be the greatest thing ever like that technoly just came out that day

DontPassTheFence

03-17-2006, 07:36 PM

those guys are amateur I know since I see those doofuses doing some of the same shit I do when Im working on my car, and I know Im not a master mechanic, shit, Im the guy that got the 1/2'' socket wedged on the huge strut bolt (at the bottom of the strut) and we couldnt get it off until someone found the impact gun and nearly broke it off. << That was a fun day though, nearly killed us alland got oil everywhere since someone was smart enough to move to oil pan before the oi lwas drained. :lol:

In conclusion - Unique Whips is retarded and so am I. WoooOooOOooO!

nineteen88ga

03-17-2006, 11:35 PM

The main reason I think they got a show is their clients. People want to see how stars spend their money. I think my work could be just as impressive if glorified in mags and on TV. I'm also not working for big dollar clients either. So, maybe thats the difference.

matts

03-18-2006, 11:55 PM

that's why i watch it. ive only seen a few of their cars that really impressed me. most of them are what i can get done around here for a small fraction of the price. but they've got the celebs fooled into thinking it's something amazing and they're charging an outrageous price..........more power to them.

their seat work and upholstery look pretty good from my end, might be different standing there looking at though.

and to anyone that wants tint on the outside of the window........just call your local tint place and tell them you want some tint that goes on the OUTSIDE of the windows. better call a couple of them just in case some idiot tries to sell you some or thinks he has some in stock.:lol: