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Subtle_Cynicism
03-16-2006, 08:57 PM
Today I went to a few dealerships and test drove several cars in my ongoing attempt to find the perfect car for me. Here was the highlight of my driving today, by far:

I went to the dealership and spotted, immediately, a Winning Blue 2005 Mazda RX-8. Every option except navigation system installed. Beautiful car.

THE OUTSIDE:
It's a love it or hate it with this car. I know many people love it; I know just as many who hate it. The xenon headlamps, and the overall bulbous shape of the front end give the car an agressive stance. The front grille, housing the foglights, had the aero package, complete with the chrome rotary accent in the center, so it was pretty low to the ground. On the walkaround, the 18" wheels were absolutely stunning. The spoke rims are all it takes for me, which is why I'm partial to those of you with the G6 GTP out there. I love me some nice rims. The edges to the wheel wells are bulbous, and stick out, defining it from just about any other car on the road, and definiately giving it a unique look, that some may not like.
The fact that it counts as a four door, due to the high quality suicide doors makes it all the more appealing. Very nice, because your front two doors aren't nearly as long as most standard coupes, meaning no more tapping others cars in tight parking spaces. The backend has a unique, almost altezza like tailight set, and a nice rotary chrome accent between the two tailpipes, part of the rotary package.

THE INSIDE:
Where to begin. The second you open the door, it's high quality and nothing else like I've ever seen. The door panels don't shake, shutter, or feel cheap upon opening the door, and upon closing the door, it doesn't feel loose or anything. My Firebird's doors felt like the window would shatter when I shut them.
The second you sit in the cockpit, it's a buying point for those of you who focus on aestetic factors. The front, ridiculously bolstered and comfortable bucket seats have a rotary accent between the top and back, separating it, adding a nice touch. The window buttons I thought were a little oddly placed, on a panel nearly vertilal on the door, and that felt slightly odd.
I must say that the radio was exceptionally good looking. I didnt get to figure out what all the buttons were, but the long screen telling me the temperate, time, station, and where the air was blowing was placed so I could keep my eyes on the road at all times. The center console is unique in that stretches all the way from the front to the back, giving the backseat a storage compartment much like the front setas, as well as two hide-a-way cupholders in the back. There wasn't too bad of a blindspot, so it would just take getting used to, but overall, I felt extremely safe in the car, considering there were 6 or 8 (can't remember) airbags ready to deploy when needed. The seats were comfortable to a point I can't begin to stress. The heated leather was really nice, considering it was a cold day.

DRIVING:
The key is a unique switchblade type key, and the second you engage the clutch and turn it on, you know you're in for a treat. The electroluminecent gauges glow on, with a tachometer that runs up to 9,000, yes, 9,000 RPM. While deeply recessed, they were extremely easy to see, as the RX-8 offers three different colored backlighting. Blue upon entrance, white during the day, and red on black during the night. Very easy on the eyes. The one thing that took some getting used to was the digital speedometer.
The steering at first was tight, something that kinda concerned me, considering the Grand Am steering wheel is very easily movable. The smooth shifting 6 speed manual is a dream. Literally. Topped with a rotary accent, its the shortest throw shifer I think I've ever seen, and it find its gears by itself, practically.
You start the car up, and while the sound isn't exactly American Muscle, it has its own unique flavor. A very fine tuned, almost motorcycle whir (definately Japanese) idles comfortably. Taking off, it was kind of easy to feel the car stalling if you didnt rev the engine, but I expected that. Once on the road, the fun definately began.

This car BEGS to be pushed to its limit. Ridiculously easy to speed, the rotary engine whirs its way to high output later in the drive. I was driving in third gear going 65ish, and the engine was humming at a high 6-8,000 rpm. This takes some getting used to, because you feel as though you're stressing the engine, even though it doesn't even sound like it. My mom was impressed beyond believe that I Was running in third on the freeway.
Funny enough, if you shift TOO early, the car chugs almost similar to when you shift a regular sports car too LATE. The steering was phenomenal, and the transmission was impeccable. I stalled out once (yes, shame on me) because I wasn't used to it, but unlike most cars, you can't hear it, and no one even noticed. That spared me the douchebag factor, for sure.
Merging onto the freeway, was definately like a kid in a candy store. The dealer told me to give it, "you can't hurt this car", so I did. A few seconds later, I was winding through traffic in fourth gear, almost going 80 before I realized it and pulled back. There are really no words to describe what its like accellerating in this car, its unlike anything Ive ever been in. The engine is so smooth, you literally feel like you're cutting through the wind, minus friction. No tension at all.
I didn't want the dealer to get pissed, so I didn't redline it, but he said, "WHat, you're driving this sports car, and you won't even push it to it's 9k redline, what the hell!" So I did. Holy ****. That's all. Holy ****. A chime goes on and the lights change color briefly reminding you to shift, because yes, it would be EXTREMELY easy to forget, giving the engines complacent nature at all RPMs.
I took some corners going 35-50, really steep ones, where most cars would cause your mother to grip the emergency handle and say "SLOW THE HELL DOWN". My mom's jaw was dropped. The 50/50 weight balance, and the cars suspension keep it glued to the road at all times; not once did I feel out of control with this car.

OVERALL:
The rotary engine still makes me nervous, but Mazda offers a great incentive in its warrenty on the car. It's got great safety ratings, is classfied as a 4 door for insurence purposes
However, I was less than impressed with their sticker prices. The cars were MSRP $32,000, and they were only willing to come down no more than $4,500, which isn't bad, but many on the RX-8 boards are getting steals for the brand new 05's for anywhere from 5-8k off invoice, which is around 29.
Unless they are willing to come down more, I won't be able to buy from them, but there are retailers all around the country.

I really, really feel this is the right car. It blends performance, fun, sexiness, and comfortability and practicality all into one.

Foxy
03-16-2006, 10:19 PM
Ouch.. Was the car new? Generally, you don't really want to beat on them that hard when they're brand new. Racing Beat (http://www.racingbeat.com/RX8%20Break%20in.htm) has a article on how to break in the RX8's. I wouldn't have beat on it so hard so quickly... But that's just me.

Other than that, nice car choice. I really like the ergonomics of the car, and I hear the handling is phenomenal. I know a guy who has one, and he raves about it (though he jokes about how slow it is in a straight line.. he loves driving it through the mountains).

Subtle_Cynicism
03-16-2006, 10:24 PM
I didn't drive it as hard as I think you're thinking. But I did test drive it the way a car should be test driven.

Which kinda concerns me that they let others do that, because, you know, what if someone buys that?

ramairgt1
03-17-2006, 07:44 AM
I kinda like the looks of those cars, there is one floating around town here
I dont know how reliable the rotary engine is but most people suggest against using it as a daily driver

Matt95GT
03-17-2006, 08:52 AM
It's a neat car if that specific style appeals to you... but IMHO it's way overpriced for what it is. You can get much faster and reliable cars for that money.

Originally posted by ramairgt1

I dont know how reliable the rotary engine is but most people suggest against using it as a daily driver

Agreed. Do not get one for a daily driver. They are known for getting flooded if you start and stop the engine before it warms up. (moving car in driveway to let another car out for example)

Foxy
03-17-2006, 09:03 AM
They aren't straight-line fast, but they have wonderful handling and are a joy in the twisties. They're still very fun cars. Straight-line speed isn't everything.

I've heard about the flooding problem, but there are quite a few of them at my work, so people do use them as a DD, even in the winter in Colorado.

Subtle Cynicism, you don't necessarily have to beat on the car. I don't think it's a good idea to let it get up past 4k on the tach at any throttle position until it's broken in. Just my two cents. That's why if I am buying a new car, I only buy them if they have almost zero milage.. if it has 30+ miles on it, who knows what they did on the test drive?

DontPassTheFence
03-17-2006, 01:44 PM
I know there is a warm-up procedure on most rotary engines as well; but if I wasn't gonna buy that exact car and just went on a test drive and the salesman wanted me to redline it; id whirl through 1st,2nd,3rd,4th in no time flat. then id slow down just to do it again :lol:
Im gla dyou enjoyed that car, so few people get to experience the pure driving feel of an rx-8 and once I got behind the wheel I had to have that damn car :( too bad Ive run into the financial problem as well. I too, have heard people straight stealing these (new 05's) for almost 10K less than sticker price out of the door, its surprising to see they wouldnt come down more than 4,500... but just wait, they are going to want to move those old 05s someday.

Subtle_Cynicism
03-17-2006, 02:57 PM
Matt, if you hear of any deals around that price range, give me holler.

The thing about the newer RX-8s, the computer flash they do fixed the ease of flooding. The dealers I went to said they haven't had a flooded RX8 come in in close to a year.

And after having driven it, unless you're ignorent or absolutely inept, there's no way you could flood the car.

You just have to let the engine warm up so the temp guage reaches about half way. There is a procedure you can do by revving the car to keep it from flooding too.

Just a little precautionary measures, that's all it takes.

Right now, I'm looking for the best deal on them. You're right John, they really are overpriced, but let me tell you something; their quality is second to none, so I can see why, but with the 05's going off the lots, many dealerships are offering massive, massive incentives.

DontPassTheFence
03-17-2006, 05:01 PM
yea, I wouldnt pay the high sticker price, but if I could get 10K off, Id be alllll over it at the end of this year.

goredsox
03-18-2006, 12:35 AM
be warned they use oil, i would say burn but the rotary literally uses the oil. at least a quart every 1000 if not more. it would be nice to have a rotary engine. you need to have the stick though if you get the auto you lose like 50hp.

P.S. the new RX-8 are UGLY, i hate those 2door wannabe 4 doors, and i really hate the exterior look of it. i've never sat in one and from the description Mike it sounds like the interior is a different story

Subtle_Cynicism
03-18-2006, 07:12 AM
I'll give you that the exterior styling is a bit dramatic for some people, but I think it's fantastic. One of the nicest looking cars I've ever driven.

As for the interior, well, it may be a wanna-be two door, but you won't be dinging any doors while parked due to an overly long front door, as its smaller than a coupe's doors, because it has the suicide doors, which is another reason I love the car.

The interior is amazing. They left no thought at all out.

jayhawk
03-24-2006, 07:04 PM
Buy it, or I'll tattle on you to the AMA.


=P

DontPassTheFence
03-24-2006, 08:14 PM
seriously, that car is regarded uglier than most things on the road and I dont see how - that car is effing beautiful, or maybe I just have an affinity towards ugly cars :shrug:

If I had the funds and the means to get a sportscar insured, Id be driving my new RX8 right the hell now, but alas I am too poor, a student, and have already high enough insurance premiums.

jayhawk
03-25-2006, 11:18 AM
Originally posted by goredsox
be warned they use oil, i would say burn but the rotary literally uses the oil. at least a quart every 1000 if not more. it would be nice to have a rotary engine. you need to have the stick though if you get the auto you lose like 50hp.

P.S. the new RX-8 are UGLY, i hate those 2door wannabe 4 doors, and i really hate the exterior look of it. i've never sat in one and from the description Mike it sounds like the interior is a different story

You are thinking of the older Rotary engines. The new ones are completely redesigned, the only similarity is they are Wankel engines made by Mazda. Of all I have read of the engine, its a work of art.

Ugly? No. I think its porno on wheels.

Oh, and thank you Mike for the review! :)

Foxy
03-25-2006, 11:39 AM
Jayhawk, the new Renesis engines are designed to use about 1 quart of oil per 1000 miles or so. It's a design thing with rotaries, I guess.

Matt95GT
03-27-2006, 09:40 AM
Originally posted by Subtle_Cynicism
The thing about the newer RX-8s, the computer flash they do fixed the ease of flooding. The dealers I went to said they haven't had a flooded RX8 come in in close to a year.


Personally I'd research that first before making a purchase. A dealer is there to take your money... not provide accurate technical info.

Subtle_Cynicism
03-27-2006, 02:51 PM
I went to make a purchase using my parents credit (because I dont have next to any history), and they have extremely good credit. They have had two late bills (by one day postmarked) in the last 10 years, and when we went to get approved for the loan, The Mazda dealership told us they had a "dealer trade" request for the car I was looking at.

Yeah, we were turned down this morning, and conveniently, it is down off their website already.

Those son of a bitches.

DontPassTheFence
03-27-2006, 03:03 PM
Originally posted by Subtle_Cynicism
I went to make a purchase using my parents credit (because I dont have next to any history), and they have extremely good credit. They have had two late bills (by one day postmarked) in the last 10 years, and when we went to get approved for the loan, The Mazda dealership told us they had a "dealer trade" request for the car I was looking at.

Yeah, we were turned down this morning, and conveniently, it is down off their website already.

Those son of a bitches.

That sucks immensely! However, a bit of good news - the dozens of owners Ive talked to over at the RX-8 owners club (rx-8club.com IIRC) have said that only earlier models flood easily, however if you mess up real good and overstart it or turn off the car before its at operating temperature (quick starts/shut downs) then it may flood. Also, there was a problem with the oil foaming up a bit under cold conditions, it seems condensation forms in the crankcase in colder/wetter climates, causing a foam-like frothey substance to accumulate on the surface of the motor oil as well as on the dipstick - this has been happening since the first production year, but has been declining in specific instances since that year. I would estimate that one-fourth or less of the newer RX-8s (05-06) have this problem, and even of the older cases (03-04) have seen little to no negative effects due to this foamy build up. Regular oil changes with good, full synthetic 10w30 or 5w30 oil will help reduce the chances of that irregularity from becoming detrimental to the engine. (keeping close tabs on the oil level of any rotary engine is always a good idea anyways to monitor consumption)

puch96
09-30-2006, 09:00 AM
I am an Rx8 owner. If anyone has any questions I'll be glad to try to answer them...