A/C to the inbox?!?!

[ncf31287]

This guy at my school has a '00 GT just like mine, he said something about drilling a whole into the main a/c hose and running a hose from the drilled hole to the inbox. I know that colder air is denser but i've never heard of such a gimmick. I asked him if i could come take a peak and he said maybe later. Does anyone think this is possible/benificial to do?

[Yeahdoug]

NO. You'll lose more hp from actually running the AC.

[Wallflower]

:bsmeter:

Your friend needs to lay off the crackpipe. The general principal to the thought would be correct ... BUT ... it will take a hell of a lot more work than 'drilling' a hole. Sheesh:shake:

[Themeneea]

you would be better off filling ice cubes into your air box

[Antalive[DM]]

I second that

[BBT]

I would like to see him drill a hole in any A/C hosing. That stuff is under a lot of pressure. It isn't like punching a hole in a garden hose.

The ideas some kiddies come up with.:crazyjump

[XtremeGrandAm]

Originally posted by Themeneea
you would be better off filling ice cubes into your air box
:lol:

Usually when someone wont let you see what they claim means they dont really have it

[HighwayProwlerz]

I agree.... whatever drugs he's on I sure hope he plans on sharing with the rest of us.

[Colin]

Some people are too stupid to know they're stupid ! :rolleyes:

[ncf31287]

OK. I always try to give the bragging ones a chance. I can't decide what mod i want to do first. I'll post another in apperance mods today.

[BBT]

I hope you realize we aren't ragging on you, just your stupid friend who says he is bleeding his A/C refrigerant into his air intake.

[WhiteGrandAmGT]

Originally posted by Yeahdoug
NO. You'll lose more hp from actually running the AC.
do u gain or loose hp when running the heat? i heard that u gain a very littlke hp when running your heater..hmm..?

[Colin]

Originally posted by BBT
I hope you realize we aren't ragging on you, just your stupid friend who says he is bleeding his A/C refrigerant into his air intake. BBT , i think he means cold air from a duct in the AC system , not a refrigerant line . But who knows ? .....:rolleyes:

[digital-d]

On newer cars I doubt you lose power from running the a/c since the pully is still running off the acc. belt even when your a/c is off and no you don't gain power from running the heater. It may make your engine run a couple of degrees cooler, but that's it.
If you want a true cold air intake just put a block of dry ice in your airbox or soak your filter in some liquid nitrogen. You would be better off doing either one insted of trying to run your a/c into your airbox.

[Colin]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by digital-d
[B]On newer cars I doubt you lose power from running the a/c since the pully is still running off the acc. belt even when your a/c is off . > Yes , BUT The AC compressor has a clutch that disengages it from the pulley when the AC isn't on , so it's not driving it all the time . It would take a few HP to run it when it's on so you would lose power . And use more fuel .. :D

[Phantomus]

I agree with Colin. Your AC isn't always putting a full load on your engine until it is turned on. I certainly don't think you could make up the power simply by ducting the refrigerant line or an air duct into the intake. Why race with your AC on?

[BBT]

Originally posted by Colin
BBT , i think he means cold air from a duct in the AC system , not a refrigerant line . But who knows ? .....:rolleyes:


The original post said hose, but maybe he meant a duct. But yeah, who knows? Still a dumb idea. :rolleyes:

[Colin]

The cold dense air part is a good idea , it's just the method of getting it . :???3:

[ACoolGuy]

this may sound off the wall...and i really have no idea in what im saying...but it was a passing thought...if you did run a hose from the duct to the intake somehow...you wont see a huge performance gain since the AC takes up alot of power...BUT...while the AC is running wouldnt you not see AS great a decrease in power since cold air is reaching the intake...ionno...pZ

[Yeahdoug]

This thread needs to be locked because it is so dumb :P


1. You lose a lot of hp from running you AC. You guys haven't noticed that?? ALmost a full sec in the 1/4 mile here.

2. SO that basically negates any VERy minimal gain from routing an ac line through you intake.

[Wallflower]

I was going to add this in to my original reply, but didn't put the effort into looking for it at the time. For the time that this has been alive, I am surprised no one else has brought it forward. So ... the guys from the 'Blue Oval' have already put the theory to the test, and found that it does in fact work.

Cool technology takes power to new levels under the hood

Coletti’s team fit the 2004 SVT Lightning concept with an all-aluminum, 5.4-liter DOHC supercharged and intercooled V-8 engine conservatively rated at 500 horsepower and 500 foot pounds of torque (SAE net). And while they were at it, they invented and patented a speed secret for those times when even that much power just isn’t enough.

Ford’s patented SuperCooler technology cleverly provides a special burst of power for the SVT Lightning concept. Traditional intercoolers dissipate heat from the supercharged air by circulating coolant through a front-mounted, air-cooled radiator. With the SuperCooler system, the vehicle’s air conditioning system is used to chill a small storage tank of coolant to about 30 degrees Fahrenheit.

On demand, the SuperCooler system switches the intercooler flow from its normal circulation and dumps the chilled coolant into the engine’s intercooler. In turn, the intercooler dissipates up to 20 percent more heat from the charge air - resulting in a denser air charge.

A green light on the instrument panel indicates the system’s readiness. SuperCooler is activated automatically when the driver depresses the accelerator to a wide-open-throttle position.

"This technology plays directly into the hands of the enthusiast," Coletti says. "The SuperCooler provides the edge for the driver, and it is done simply by taking advantage of the hardware that already exists in the vehicle."

As a result of this cool technology, the SVT Lighting concept can give its driver as much as 50 transient horsepower for short bursts of 30-45 seconds and regenerate within 2 minutes under normal driving conditions. While its effect is similar to that of an aftermarket nitrous oxide system, the SuperCooler is completely self-contained, environmentally friendly and regenerative.

[Yeahdoug]

lol Thats to cool a SC engine. Not an NA engine. Its basically a air-water intercooler. THe cooling benefit on the extremely hot air outweight the hp the system sucks from the engine. Air going into an NA motor is nowhere near as hot.

[TA^Guy]

Agreed,
Huge dofference in air tempature between naturally asperated and forced inducted. When air is compressed it heats up, this is why they use, intercoolers on FI and no NA motors.

[Wallflower]

I don't think you guys are seeing the bigger picture here though. One could fashion an intake that passes the incoming air over a chilled core. This core could be chilled by the cooling system, the HVAC system, N2O, CO2, etc. It doesn't matter if the motor is FI or not. The principal would still work.

Simple idea ....

Using the stock airbox, remove the lid and filter. Just below where the filter would sit, mount a heater core. Plumb lines through the side of the box to be connected to whatever cooling method will be used. Replace the filter and lid. I am sure this would take a lot more technical thought and design, but the basic concept is easily understood.

[TA^Guy]

Well 'if' your going to waste N2O you might as well get your moneys worth and inject it into the motor. People use both N2O and CO2 to cool intercoolers.
Running your cooling system through it won't cool it, but instead heat it as the warm coolant is going to be hotter than incoming air.

Basically it would be more work for minimal gains.

One thing our motors (LA1 anyhow) are known for is the ammount of heat they create under the hood. I think more effort sould go into looking how to vent hot underhood air from the engine compartment, say from some heat extractors. This inturn will cool the motor and prevent from heating the incoming air as much.

[Yeahdoug]

Originally posted by Wallflower
I don't think you guys are seeing the bigger picture here though. One could fashion an intake that passes the incoming air over a chilled core. This core could be chilled by the cooling system, the HVAC system, N2O, CO2, etc. It doesn't matter if the motor is FI or not. The principal would still work.



The principles are the same. The gains are not. DO you really want to do all that for 2-3 hp?

[BBT]

Originally posted by Yeahdoug
This thread needs to be locked because it is so dumb :P


1. You lose a lot of hp from running you AC. You guys haven't noticed that?? ALmost a full sec in the 1/4 mile here.

2. SO that basically negates any VERy minimal gain from routing an ac line through you intake.

Yeah, but in the end you arrive much more refeshed from having the A/C on, and keeping ya nice and cool. Those race tracks can get really hot!:D

[sunrunner_pei]

:lol: This thread is funny. ;)

I made a 1/4 mile pass (quite by accident) with the A/C on with my '99 SE2... 3/10 of a second slower than my best time that day. Will routing a hose from my A/C vent to my airbox (keep in mind that the air isn't in the box long enough to be cooled properly) make up 3/10's of a second? I don't think so.