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TorquePower
04-05-2006, 11:07 PM
Okay, My friend found an Eagle Talon ESI for sale...they want $1,500 for it. I've tried to talk him out of it at all costs, but he wants to buy it to have. He plans on changing out the tranny and the engine, but... here's the thing...the place said there is something wrong with the engine, like a thumping noise and it won't go anywhere.

First thing popped in my head: Crankwalk.

He wants me to come out with him tomorrow to check it out and see if it is crankwalk, because he said that I'm the only guy he knows who knows the internals of engines.

Honestly, I know more about domestic engines than anything, so I was wondering, is that thumping noise crankwalk? And/or is there anywhere you can tell it's crankwalk besides the noise? Thanks.
Matt95GT
04-05-2006, 11:53 PM
It was the 2nd gen DSM's that had that issue... that's as far as my knowledge goes.
TorquePower
04-06-2006, 12:16 AM
A friend of mine said that just by me telling him about it, he said it sounds like it's a blown synchro in the transmission. Opinions?
urweak
04-06-2006, 12:54 AM
Originally posted by Matt95GT
It was the 2nd gen DSM's that had that issue... that's as far as my knowledge goes.

Yea the 2nd gens. Something with the oil sprayers getting clogged easy and causeing that.

IMO i would stay away from a DSM at all costs. If your friend wants to make a fast import, i say 240 all the way.
gicts
04-06-2006, 01:01 AM
if he's going to be swapping the engine and tranny who cares what's wrong with the current one?
urweak
04-06-2006, 01:23 AM
Originally posted by gicts
if he's going to be swapping the engine and tranny who cares what's wrong with the current one?

b/c DSM's=unreliable junk
Foxy
04-06-2006, 08:35 AM
But if you're swapping out the engine and the tranny (the unreliable parts), what's there to worry about?
Matt95GT
04-06-2006, 09:01 AM
Originally posted by urweak
Yea the 2nd gens. Something with the oil sprayers getting clogged easy and causeing that.


Additionally, something about a different number of bolts.

Originally posted by Foxy
But if you're swapping out the engine and the tranny (the unreliable parts), what's there to worry about?

I think he means the replacements being unreliable too.

I'm not a DSM fan either. IMO the Evo 8's success was built off the DSM's mistakes.
Foxy
04-06-2006, 10:04 AM
If you swap in a new 4G63 that has the crankwalk problem solved, why would there be any reliability problems? (Mitsubishi's been using the same engine for decades with minor changes).

The Evo 8 is a success because the entire Evo line has been a success, and it's finally over here.

I honestly know next to nothing about DSMs, but it seems to me that if it's the same basic engine, you'd have no problem swapping in one of the more reliable Evo engines into a DSM. Then you can go forth and have fun.
urweak
04-06-2006, 02:52 PM
Originally posted by Foxy
If you swap in a new 4G63 that has the crankwalk problem solved, why would there be any reliability problems? (Mitsubishi's been using the same engine for decades with minor changes).

The Evo 8 is a success because the entire Evo line has been a success, and it's finally over here.

I honestly know next to nothing about DSMs, but it seems to me that if it's the same basic engine, you'd have no problem swapping in one of the more reliable Evo engines into a DSM. Then you can go forth and have fun.

The trannies are junk too. Unless you get one build buy the guy that has the brown/purple DSM that runs like low 8's (cant think of his name right now)

edit: his name is John Shepherd
TorquePower
04-07-2006, 09:42 AM
Definately not crankwalk. Sounded more like a loose valve spring, or the rocker arm was messed up, because the valve cover was pinging bad, and you could feel it.
ENGGUY
04-25-2006, 08:24 PM
Hmmm a new hot talk catch term. LOL
I guess they get started by ones that don't know the proper terminology. Or they are the terminology from other countries.
Same way wives tails get going. Sorry I couldn't help it.
I'll behave myself now.
Prospeeder
04-25-2006, 09:51 PM
What is crank walk...
DontPassTheFence
04-25-2006, 09:53 PM
crankwalk a catch phrase? are you retarded?

http://www.roadraceengineering.com/walkingcrankshaft.htm

^^ info on the class action law suit filed due to the walking crank (shortened to CRANKWALK) most DSM 6-bolt engines that have been built in the US are suceptible to this design flaw.

Google mofo, do you use it?
urweak
04-25-2006, 10:42 PM
Does it sound like this?

http://www.roadraceengineering.com/eclipsetech/crankwalk/2gcrankwalk.wav
Prospeeder
04-25-2006, 10:49 PM
Originally posted by DontPassTheFence
crankwalk a catch phrase? are you retarded?

http://www.roadraceengineering.com/walkingcrankshaft.htm

^^ info on the class action law suit filed due to the walking crank (shortened to CRANKWALK) most DSM 6-bolt engines that have been built in the US are suceptible to this design flaw.

Google mofo, do you use it?

Wow sorry i asked a question


EDIT I guess there was a miss communication, lol
urweak
04-25-2006, 11:30 PM
Originally posted by Prospeeder
Wow sorry i asked a question ass face

lol, he wasnt even refering to your post. He was directing that to the person above you.
urweak
04-25-2006, 11:32 PM
Originally posted by ENGGUY
Hmmm a new hot talk catch term. LOL
I guess they get started by ones that don't know the proper terminology. Or they are the terminology from other countries.
Same way wives tails get going. Sorry I couldn't help it.
I'll behave myself now.

Well then what is the tehcnical term for when the crank moves and smacks into the block?
Prospeeder
04-25-2006, 11:32 PM
oh wow, really, im sorry then, lol, see theres this nifty quote feature.....

Eeek crank smaking into the block, id be pretty pissed
DontPassTheFence
04-26-2006, 04:28 AM
Yea Erik I wasnt bitching at you - you actually formed you idea in a question, not a smarmy-assed comment like the guy above you. But yea, thats what crankwalk is.

And you could have done better than ass face -- jeez... coulda called me a prick, a cockmongling idiot, a douche bag, or something :D
thegeswho3
04-26-2006, 06:12 AM
I see no problem with a stock DSM (other than the afformentioned crankwalk, but i wont go there cus i dont wanna be called an assface), the problem is that 98% of them have been toyed with and usualy ruined by the fast and the furiouse crowd.

same reason you cant find a mid 90's Toyota MR2 that hasnt been beat to hell and "modded" with ugly air intake over the hood and some gay shifter knob.
Prospeeder
04-26-2006, 09:22 AM
Originally posted by DontPassTheFence
Yea Erik I wasnt bitching at you - you actually formed you idea in a question, not a smarmy-assed comment like the guy above you. But yea, thats what crankwalk is.

And you could have done better than ass face -- jeez... coulda called me a prick, a cockmongling idiot, a douche bag, or something :D

I know i know but i didnt wanna get anymore points, lol
TorquePower
04-26-2006, 12:42 PM
Originally posted by urweak
Does it sound like this?

http://www.roadraceengineering.com/eclipsetech/crankwalk/2gcrankwalk.wav

It was constant, and you could feel it in the valve cover. Under the engine it didn't sound that bad, but right at the valves it was loud.
DontPassTheFence
04-26-2006, 07:06 PM
well then it might not be crankwalk -- but Id still stay away from it unless you have the extra cash to build it back up when it dies on ya. Its a GREAT project car, but by no means a reliable daily driver.
TorquePower
04-26-2006, 11:07 PM
I wasn't looking to buy it. The dealership dude is selling it for $1500 and even bought a new engine for it and just now swapped it in. He's offering it for $1500 still and wants my friend to take the car and the old engine.

I kinda' want him to so I can rip it apart and find out what it was. :)