Lawsuit against G.M. Corp. for LIM

[Tommy00GT1]

http://www.classproceedings.ca/present%20cases%20gm.htm

We probably won't stand a chance, as they'll have the "best of the best" attorneys at their disposal. Interesting reading though....

[Subtle_Cynicism]

I hope they win.

That was an unacceptable, and all too common flaw in those cars, no reason for that.

[Tommy00GT1]

Anyone know roughly how many cars this involves? I mean like Pontiacs, Buicks, Chevy, Olds...... How many different GM divisions had that engine ????

[Street Vandal]

ok..what is the LIM and does it affect the 04 grand am also...it is a interesting subject and i just bought my 04 with 4800 on it.

[Street Vandal]

just a corroection on the last post..it has 48000 not 4800!

[eric99gt]

If ya want some info on it just search. You'll find millions of threads on it. LIM=Lower Intake Manifold Gasket

[DontPassTheFence]

Ill assume since it says 95-03 vehicles they speak of the 3100SFI and the 3400SFI engines. In that case, DOZENS of models were sold with either of those engines, some with both. Olds alero, acheiva, cutlass, beretta, corsica, montana vans, ventura vans, GAs, Malibus, Montes?, GPs, Impalas?, skylarks, and probably a few more Im forgetting about.

[Subtle_Cynicism]

If you have the 3400 engine, you probably may have the problem.

[urweak]

if you have a 60 degree or 90 degree V6 you will probably have this problem.

[Tommy00GT1]

Ah... that's why G.M. is fighting this so vigorously; it will cost them millions to repair 'em all.....

[carfreak666]

Originally posted by Tommy00GT1
Anyone know roughly how many cars this involves? I mean like Pontiacs, Buicks, Chevy, Olds...... How many different GM divisions had that engine ????

If you look at the petition/Lawsuit Claim... the last page on that petition lists all the affected models.

--- That is assuming I understand your question correctly --- :D

[Tommy00GT1]

Yup, I spotted that right after I asked the question. It's on page 6 of that document. Quite a lot of vehicles involved......much more than I had thought.

[Big Joe]

This lawsuit has been talked about a few times on here. I never hear of any progress though

[Tommy00GT1]

I doubt that you read all the pages of this claim. This was just initiated on April 24, 2006. How could this have been talked about when ity was just filed?

[Big Joe]

ahh i didnt bother to click the link, but there is one thats been around for way longer. it pretty much says it in the article that there have been other cases.

Comparable actions in the United States have been hard-fought and continue to be pursued in various jurisdictions.

[CanadAM]

1,200,000,000

whats that number ? a trillion?

[carfreak666]

1.2 Billion

[Tommy00GT1]

Yup, that's what I though, Joe... I guess there were some suits tried before, but I think this one is much more recognized and is being handled in a much more "class action" status.
It sure would be nice if GM would finally fess up and admit they screwed up with the damn thing already....

I hope the attorneys representing us little guys is good.... because GM will certainly have the best lawyers money can buy.
It's time us little guys got a break on this fiasco....:mad:

[RocketFast321]

Originally posted by DontPassTheFence
Olds alero, acheiva, cutlass, beretta, corsica, montana vans, ventura vans, GAs, Malibus, Montes?, GPs, Impalas?, skylarks, and probably a few more Im forgetting about.

Monte Carlo
Lumina
Century
Rendezvous CX
Ciera
Cutlass Supreme

[Tommy00GT1]

That's a hefty amount of cars, lol ! You can bet G.M. will try and wiggle outta this one too... But thankfully, this suit has a humongus amount of plaintiffs and has some real teeth in it as opposed to the other previous smaller class action suits which seemed to fade away. I've got a hunch this one will get some favorable results for us little guys....
Imagine if G.M. does indeed offer us new gaskets... I wonder how all the Pontiac dealerships that would be forced to honor this would welcome the workload !!!!

[VanishingImage]

the only problem I have when people say that want it treated as a recall, its not safety related. Its fine if they wanna fight it as a defect in the motor and it should not come back on the owner since it is infact a defective gasket. After working at a GM dealership I did see these come in day after day.

[Tommy00GT1]

Yup, I agree... When I bought my GT1 last year, the dealer was a bit persistent that I should opt for the extended warranty. I asked if he was referring to the LIM.... I kind of startled him, then he said.. "Yeah, we've seen a few of 'em come in".
So I did take out the extended warranty; just in case. Actually, it has already worked out for me too. They replaced my factory radio with a new one; and replaced some swaybar things in the front end because of that damn creaking noises; plus they installed new front brakes too.
So now I'm hoping that if I do get a visit from Mr. LIM, that it comes within the next 15 months, lol.... Hmmm... Maybe I'll have to "speed it up" a bit if it doesn't show up within that warranty time frame, lol. Is there any way to speed that up, Ryan? Just curious.....'Cause I've got a hunch that the lawsuit is going to drag on for years....

[TorquePower]

physically cut the gasket some how...

[Tommy00GT1]

LOL.. I actually thought of that !! Trouble is, I'm not too mechanically inclined and I'm not sure where the heck it is even located, lol...
I'll probably just have to get on it a bit, and keep blowin' out the carbon....maybe that will enhance it. At least I've got time because the warranty has over a year left on it.

[nicole2320]

wow does this explains why the dealership replace LIM on 10/26/05 then again yesterday?

[Tommy00GT1]

I'll bet that is it ..... From what little I know about it, I guess it has something to do with "expansion / contraction " issues between two different metals. Somebody jump in please and correct me if I'm wrong because I'm not very mechanically inclined, lol.....

[slowbird]

I think they may have actually fixed the problem in late 03.

If you look at our Lower Intake Plenum you will see a Casting date ( 00 ) two zeros. All newer 3400's made around late 2003 and onwards have an ( 03 ) on the LIM.

That...the lawsuit dates...and the redesiged gasket issue should mean that few 03's...and all 04's and 05's should NOT have the LIM issue.

I hope I don't. I have 55,000kms on my car...nothing so far.

[Tommy00GT1]

Thanks for adding that.... Well, I've got about 15 more months under warranty, lol..... I hope it comes under the damn warranty. If not.... I'll find a way to "encourage it", I guess !

[Tyler_S]

Originally posted by slowbird
I think they may have actually fixed the problem in late 03.

If you look at our Lower Intake Plenum you will see a Casting date ( 00 ) two zeros. All newer 3400's made around late 2003 and onwards have an ( 03 ) on the LIM.

What exactly did they change?

More bolts? Better 'reinforced' gasket? Stop using DexCool, or for shorter periods?

[slowbird]

I know the gasket is reinforced around the coolant passages.

I don't know if the actual LIM plenum is different but like I said...the date numbers are different.

I still have Dex-cool in my '04. But it's coming out soon.

[Tommy00GT1]

I'm thinking of doing the same thing too.... I'm not really too enthused about having DexCool in there. I already have one of those Prestone flush kits; bought it many years ago for a different car.
Does anyone know if you can flush Grand Am's by using that connector that goes to the heater inlet hose (to pressure flush it through the heater core) ? I used to do it that way many years ago but I'm not sure about hoses on Grand Am's....... If I remember right, I think the heater hose that gets warm first, is the inlet hose.... anyone know if that is correct ???? Thanks !

[slowbird]

I don't know...

I was planning on emptying the collant from the lower Rad hose. Filling it with Water...runnign the engine till the thermostat opened filling it with water as I go.

Draining it again.

Filling it with water again and running it.

Draining it again.

Filling it with a Green coolant which is compatible with the Dex-cool just in case there's some left and it mixes.

[Tommy00GT1]

Wow, that's exactly what I was thinking too! I'm leery about cutting into my heater inlet hose..... so I think I'll do it your way; it is safer...

[Tommy00GT1]

EDIT > My mistake; I hit the "submit reply" button twice; a double post here, lol...

[scottyb]

Originally posted by slowbird
I think they may have actually fixed the problem in late 03.

If you look at our Lower Intake Plenum you will see a Casting date ( 00 ) two zeros. All newer 3400's made around late 2003 and onwards have an ( 03 ) on the LIM.

That...the lawsuit dates...and the redesiged gasket issue should mean that few 03's...and all 04's and 05's should NOT have the LIM issue.

I hope I don't. I have 55,000kms on my car...nothing so far.

Is there any way to check the Casting date easily?

[Nighthawk243]

Originally posted by scottyb
Is there any way to check the Casting date easily?


In short... no.

(Btw... old thread)

[Jchiasson]

Old thread but interesting. by the way it is a Canadian class action suit and the Website has changed..
http://www.gmcanadianclassaction.ca/

[Jchiasson]

Old thread but interesting. by the way it is a Canadian class action suit and the Website has changed..
http://www.gmcanadianclassaction.ca/

[grandam01]

Sooo yeah I brought my car in and teh dealership replaced here in pasadena, ca. they were like yeah we have heard of this and you have a problem from the gasket, so they replaced it with an aftermarket gasket to seal the LIM to the head yes the whole thing is the coolant leaking into the intake, i noticed some coolant around my front (left) side head.

[silvermist]

Grandam01 - do you mean you are seeing coolant around the head again now, after the LIM was replaced with an after market gasket?
I had my lim replaced in Oct 05' and I thought I was given the new gasket that doesn't get rotted out by Dexcool.
I got a low coolant light today on the way to work but the temp never went over 200. This is the 1st time since the lim was replaced so I am hoping it is normal. I am going to add Dexcool and water tomorrow and replace the reservoir cap just in case.

I have seen water leaking infrequently but was told it was from the condenser. I never saw any orange liquid leaking. I am hoping the worse case the is reservoir cap is messed up and boiling off cololant but I still have about a year on my extended warranty so if it is gonna go again I'd prefer it gi before then.

So if this Class action is successfull in Canada does that open the floodgates in the US?
I doubt GM would fix or reimburse for anything they didn't have to so there would have to be another class action in the US, and by that time alot of the cars involved would be DOA for other reasons .

[slowbird]

Originally posted by scottyb
Is there any way to check the Casting date easily?

Here ya go...click the pic...the casting number I circled in red.

00 is pre new gasket

03 is Post new gasket.

http://img436.imageshack.us/img436/5005/3400limnl8.th.jpg (http://img436.imageshack.us/my.php?image=3400limnl8.jpg)