MMS PCM Results.

[slowbird]

So last weekend, before I got my MMS PCM, I went to the drag strip and got a baseline test.

My 2 best times that Weekend were:
15.269 @ 89.11MPH with a 2.32 60ft ...and
15.298 @ 88.74MPH with a 2.30 60ft.

The track had a bit poor stick, and it was COOOOOLD out.

I installed my MMS PCM on Thursday Afternoon and was Immediatley dissapointed. I noticed no difference and E-Mailed Milzy right away. He told me to give the PCM time to learn. So I spent the next two days driving my car pretty hard.

I just came back from the track. The track was a bit better traction wise but it was HOOOOOT out. Over 31 degrees celsius.

My 2 best times today were:
15.053 @ 91.48MPH with a 2.24 60ft
15.061 @ 93.05MPH with a 2.25 60ft

http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/167/150916pt.th.jpg (http://img86.imageshack.us/my.php?image=150916pt.jpg)

My Current Mods are:
MSD 8.5MM Wires
Ported & Polished MAF
CF Hood
Dr. Speed Cold Air Box
Magnaflow Muffler 2.5" in/ Dual 2.5" Out
& the MMS PCM

I was running the Stock Goodyear Eagle RS-A's and Half a Tank of Gas.

I'm gonna e-mail Milzy now and apologize for my earlier complaints.

http://img110.imageshack.us/img110/4075/lakeerie15wb.th.jpg (http://img110.imageshack.us/my.php?image=lakeerie15wb.jpg)

[ihatemygrandamg]

Im not too familiar with milzy's pcm, but it looks like it helped out pretty well. Does it do everything that the dhp does(eliminate gov, skip shift, etc) ?? Also I just wanted to say that i love your car. I remember when that hood was for sale, wish I woulda had the cash to get it lol. Also, how much was it after core charge?

You should think about getting an FFP underdrive pulley. Its def a great bang for buck mod.

[slowbird]

Originally posted by ihatemygrandamg
Im not too familiar with milzy's pcm, but it looks like it helped out pretty well. Does it do everything that the dhp does(eliminate gov, skip shift, etc) ?? Also I just wanted to say that i love your car. I remember when that hood was for sale, wish I woulda had the cash to get it lol. Also, how much was it after core charge?

You should think about getting an FFP underdrive pulley. Its def a great bang for buck mod.

Thanks Mike! yes...Milzys PCM Does the same as DHP. You can contact Milzy for more details on it. He does other "little" things that I haven't heard mentioned before with other PCM's.

I appreciate the complement. I get alot of Mixed reviews with the Red CF hood...but so far, no one who has seen it in person has really disliked it. (or wanted to say they disliked it to my face atleast :P )

I think with less gas in my tank and cooler weather I'll break 14's easily.
If I get a Cold Air Intake, FFP UDP, and finish the exhaust (I only have a muffler right now) I'll hope to be deep in the High 14's.

I just wish I had more MONEY!

[ihatemygrandamg]

Yea Ive been trying to save for an slp catback for a while but since Im only 16 and dont make much its kinda hard. IMO the red cf looks great!! Not ricey, just clean and unique. Im not putting anything major into my car since Ive got 126k miles on it now. But I love the FFP for how cheap it was, and I did the civic intake because Im a cheap ass, haha. I wanna go to the track sometime though. And what do you think about your PnP MAF?? If I can find a cheap one on ebay I might try it.

[slowbird]

The P&P MAF mod isn't worth it unless you spend little to NO money on it.

On a side note...with the MMS PCm in, and me beating on the car and making about 7-9 Drag Runs...I've gotten the best Fuel economy I've ever had with this car

[ihatemygrandamg]

Ill try the doing the MAF, just because Ive heard so many mixed reviews and I can pick one up off ebay for like nothing. If I do it Ill do a run with and without it at when I finally go to the track. But I just checked out milzy's site, and noticed that you can pick up a DHP for about $50 cheaper. Is there any reason you went with milzy's? Once again, car looks great!

[slowbird]

I went with Milzy cause he's doing alot for the Grand Am community and he seemed like a good guy....and it turns out he is.

[roksoc]

sweet results.

[Jason Lesbirel]

Yet another company that only does PCM work for 6s....

[Bjornboy81]

Nice numbers Matt. On a cold day you might hit 14's :thumbup2:

Anyone know off hand how much it advances the timing and how many degrees you can advance on premium?

[slowbird]

no clue.

Oh...and I will hit the 14's on a cold day ;)

[Bjornboy81]

Man...with my SLP, UPD, and P&P manifolds,I might see 14's all day with that....hummmmm.... ;)

[slowbird]

Originally posted by Bjornboy81
Man...with my SLP, UPD, and P&P manifolds,I might see 14's all day with that....hummmmm.... ;)

Definitley...I can't wait till my warranty is done and I start doing stuff like Heads, Manifold ,and UDP.

When you going to the track?

[99GrandAMSE]

Interesting ... I would like to install one someday soon :)

[HondaCivicsSuck]

Originally posted by slowbird
So last weekend, before I got my MMS PCM, I went to the drag strip and got a baseline test.

My 2 best times that Weekend were:
15.269 @ 89.11MPH with a 2.32 60ft ...and
15.298 @ 88.74MPH with a 2.30 60ft.

The track had a bit poor stick, and it was COOOOOLD out.

I installed my MMS PCM on Thursday Afternoon and was Immediatley dissapointed. I noticed no difference and E-Mailed Milzy right away. He told me to give the PCM time to learn. So I spent the next two days driving my car pretty hard.

I just came back from the track. The track was a bit better traction wise but it was HOOOOOT out. Over 31 degrees celsius.

My 2 best times today were:
15.053 @ 91.48MPH with a 2.24 60ft
15.061 @ 93.05MPH with a 2.25 60ft

http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/167/150916pt.th.jpg (http://img86.imageshack.us/my.php?image=150916pt.jpg)

My Current Mods are:
MSD 8.5MM Wires
Ported & Polished MAF
CF Hood
Dr. Speed Cold Air Box
Magnaflow Muffler 2.5" in/ Dual 2.5" Out
& the MMS PCM

I was running the Stock Goodyear Eagle RS-A's and Half a Tank of Gas.

I'm gonna e-mail Milzy now and apologize for my earlier complaints.

http://img110.imageshack.us/img110/4075/lakeerie15wb.th.jpg (http://img110.imageshack.us/my.php?image=lakeerie15wb.jpg)

Dude, you could of ran 14's with a better 60ft times i was comparing ur times with mine. thats at least a 14.9 time with a better 60ft. let me drive! :D

anyways nice job man. hey i thought ur car was stock? ;) u have more done then me! :lol:

[slowbird]

You couldn't get a better 60ft....remember when I asked what tires you were running?

I got the Eagle RS-A's on my car....Jesus himself couldn't get a better 60ft with those tires.

I would've gotten a 14.9 if I didn't have so much gas in my tank...let alone a better launch.

[ihatemygrandamg]

You didnt run with spare and all did you? I just removed over a hundred pounds of stuff I had in my trunk (tools,jack w/stands,spare,etc) and my car feels so much lighter haha. Plus I just put in a 180* t-stat so I wanna go to the track as soon as I get exhaust.

[slowbird]

I run in "Full Street Trim" Which is everything except the Spare and Jack.

Let me know how much the 180 T-stat helps. I have one I just haven't installed it yet.

I notice my car runs better in that temperature range so I assume it would help.
I need to get a cat-back...but tires might be first.

[Bjornboy81]

From what I hear, the RSAs aren't that bad of tires in dry weather...they suck in snow and rain, but I thought they were decent tires...I'd invest in an exhaust system first. Unless the tires are in need or replacing of course ;)

[slowbird]

I'd like to get exhaust...but if I could get some decent tires that would be cool too.

I personally think the RS-A's are complete garbage. I perfer my Winter Hancooks cause they grip in the dry better. I can spin my RS-A's all night long, and at the track they just seem insufficent.

But finishing my exhaust is cheaper and it sounds cool.

[eric99gt]

Thermostat will do nothing in the quarter. And to even see the effects of the thermostat you must have the PCM programmed to turn the fans on above 180 degrees.

[Bjornboy81]

^ I believe the MMS PCM does have the lower temp turn on option in the program standard.


....which I guess wouldn't really make it an option then.....huh....

[slowbird]

Originally posted by Bjornboy81
^ I believe the MMS PCM does have the lower temp turn on option in the program standard.


....which I guess wouldn't really make it an option then.....huh....

Yup...MMS PCM has that programmed in.

I think the 180 T-Stat will make a difference in performance. Like I said before. My car runs better when it's below normal operatng temps. I seem to get better runs.

[ihatemygrandamg]

Yea I dont think the T-stat will give you any actual "gains" but it def helps keep temps down, specially good for the track between runs. Yea your car may run a little better also if temps dont get too high. To do mine I took off my TB and it made things soo much easier, then when putting the TB back on I just bypassed the coolant lines, mainly because it was much easier to do haha. But yea Id finish off your exhaust first, it will help more with some of your other mods.

[HondaCivicsSuck]

Originally posted by slowbird
I'd like to get exhaust...but if I could get some decent tires that would be cool too.

I personally think the RS-A's are complete garbage. I perfer my Winter Hancooks cause they grip in the dry better. I can spin my RS-A's all night long, and at the track they just seem insufficent.

But finishing my exhaust is cheaper and it sounds cool.

you could try the Toyo's, there only like 130 bucks a peace. Am still debating on getting some DR's and headers or trade my car in

[HondaCivicsSuck]

Originally posted by slowbird
Yup...MMS PCM has that programmed in.

I think the 180 T-Stat will make a difference in performance. Like I said before. My car runs better when it's below normal operatng temps. I seem to get better runs.

i guess all of them are diffrent i run that 14.8 on a hot lap :???:

[mygaathena03]

yo... dudes....

You're running almost flat 15 with only those mods?!... My car ran 15.702@88mph bone stock with a full tank and some heavy ass subs in it.....

But now i've got an intake and new 17 inch Kazera wheels, and the damn thing runs 15.787@88mph....

So what the hell is going on? I thought that maybe i could get even better than my 15.702 because when i set that time, i still spun the little stock 16's for a good while, and these 17's hook up much faster than those 16's ever did.... But i wonder why my time has just gotten slower...

Maybe its the added rolling inertia of the bigger wheels and tires? Or is this just me, but no lie, my car feels much more punchy and stronger on some days... and then the next day it feels a little feeble and weak... I'm thinking that maybe a 180 T-stat, throttle body, and an Intense Racing PCM will help get me down to those 15 flats that you're running

[Bjornboy81]

What was the difference in tempurature between the two runs? That has a lot to do with it. That and the fact you're adding substancial rotational mass with bigger wheels.

I'd go with an exhaust system before the TB too. What kind of intake do you have?

[slowbird]

The larger diameter wheels will hinder your 1/4mile time a tad.


I really don't know why my car runs the times it does...I get asked that alot.
Maybe it's a 2004 thing. Milzy said when he got a 2004 PCM certain things in the programming looked more aggressive.

For your ride...exhaust is a good start.

[mygaathena03]

i have a doctor speed stage 2 intake.... yeah and i was thinking tha about the wheels too.... I'm heading back down to the strip tonight to see if these cooler temps might help me out a little bit...

But who else is having the problem of thier car having like "lazy" times, when it just feels kind of dull.. and then a few hours later when they turn it on, it feels strong and powerful... Maybe its just my mind lol but i dunno.... I was thinkin that it had something to do with the coolant temperature because all of the GM's that i've owned seem to run very warm (about 190-220) on the temp gauge... but basically....

I WANNA RUN 15 FLATS!!! haha

[slowbird]

My car runs about a tenth or so faster when it's cooler.

Run it with 1/4 tank of gas and some higher octane...see if it helps.

Good luck!

[HondaCivicsSuck]

Originally posted by mygaathena03
i have a doctor speed stage 2 intake.... yeah and i was thinking tha about the wheels too.... I'm heading back down to the strip tonight to see if these cooler temps might help me out a little bit...

But who else is having the problem of thier car having like "lazy" times, when it just feels kind of dull.. and then a few hours later when they turn it on, it feels strong and powerful... Maybe its just my mind lol but i dunno.... I was thinkin that it had something to do with the coolant temperature because all of the GM's that i've owned seem to run very warm (about 190-220) on the temp gauge... but basically....

I WANNA RUN 15 FLATS!!! haha

try taking the spare out.. lower your tire pressure. try to get your 60ft tight :)

[slowbird]

Don't lower the tire pressure in the rear though...just the front.

[mygaathena03]

HondaCivicsSuck- what elevation was you GA at when it ran that 15.3 stock?! lol I've never done much with finesing up my launches for a good 60ft which is the key to a few valuable tenths in the quarter, but please fill me in on that secret you used.

The launch on my car starts with an initial delay when i floor the gas.... Then i spin for maybe a second or so until i hook and off it goes... i never thought a launch in a 4T-anything GM was any harder than that... Apparently there's some kind of secret to it...

Oh yeah, and tonight I went down messing around at Edgewater and netted a 15.652@88.22mph.... But get this, I had a quarter tank, coolant temp at around 185 degrees, and traction control
on ..... With it off i went back to the 15.7's... This is still with the good old "just lift and punch it" technique... maybe there's to power-braking involved or something... lemme know guys

[HondaCivicsSuck]

/\ well am not sure.. ill check tonight... i do know its almost perfect

[HondaCivicsSuck]

Originally posted by slowbird
Don't lower the tire pressure in the rear though...just the front.

right. over inflate the back