HU relocation module???

[8 ur pony]

Ok so here's the story - we went to Future Shop today to look at a new head unit for the GA ('03, GT) since the one out of my old car is pooched, and not worth installing in the GA. I know that I need a module to make the steering wheel controls work again, but here's where it gets confusing - dude at Future Shop told me I need some sort of relocation kit to make the door chimes, ABS, and Air Bags work again. Is this true? Do any of you have any experience with this? BF is a car audio pro, and will be installing my system, but even he's lost when it comes to the module the FS dude was talking about. I'd appreciate any help, thx :)

[XoticGA]

Yea.. it's true.. They're not cheap tho.. About 100 bucks..

But if I understood right.. It's only neccesary if you WANT the chimes...

There's a lotta audio smart people here.. They'll tell ya for sure

[ram1985custom]

Its only the chimes and other warnings from what I've read. Has nothing to do with your ABS or anything else

[birdhouse]

Yup... All the "module" is for is to make all your chimes still activate. That's not the same as the steering wheel control module that you need, tho. You need a Metra Adapter (don't remember the number) to keep the chimes, and a seperate module to keep your steering wheel controls. Check www.crutchfield.com for more information.

[Sveach]

Just to confirm:

You do NOT need any adapters IF you can live without chimes (I.E., no more noise when you leave keys in ignition, lights on, low gas, etc.)

Why is this? Because the stock head unit uses the front left speaker (closest to driver) to make these sounds.

Removing the head unit will NOT mess up your airbags/ABS. Only the warning chimes.

You WILL need an adapter to keep the steering wheel controls.
It is called a SWI-X adapter made by PAC. Go to pfyc.com, choose grand am at the top, choose other stuff on the left side menu, and scroll down. I can't seem to link to it because of the smilie code.

Note that your replacement head unit MUST have a wireless infrared remote to be able to make use of the steering wheel controls.

Hope this helps.

Stephen

[ram1985custom]

How is there no other way to route the chimes through the left front speaker after putting in a different headunit if you don't buy the chime module?

[8 ur pony]

thx a lot for all the info guys, it really helped a lot :)

[Sveach]

Originally posted by ram1985custom
How is there no other way to route the chimes through the left front speaker after putting in a different headunit if you don't buy the chime module?

Because the stock headunit has the actual circuitry to do so. Aftermarket headunits don't.

[RocketFast321]

Originally posted by 8 ur pony
dude at Future Shop told me I need some sort of relocation kit to make the door chimes, ABS, and Air Bags work again. Is this true?

I got this crap when i went to circuit city. I ask how much was the chime box, when they said $100. I said, "it can wait i can live without chimes". He was like you don't have it :eek: Your airbag will not work and it will cause SVS lights to come on, and etc. I looked it him in the eyes and said, "You have no ideal what you are talking about."

I feel sorry for the people who get sucker into buying the stuff they do not need. Me myself i have the relocation kit but my stock radio is not connected to it.

[phantom01231]

ok so let me get this straight. i know that ABS and Airbags will still work with out the module beacuse that would just be stupid if they didnt. now i dont have the steerting wheel controls for the radio. but i want to keep my chims so all i need to put in a new head unit is the (Metra VT-GMRC-01 GM Class II Data bus Interface) and ill be set right?

[Sveach]

That is correct. Here's a crutchfield link that talks a little bit about that module.

http://www.crutchfield.com/S-soHfu4lst6d/cgi-bin/prodview.asp?i=120GMRC01

[phantom01231]

Thanks! in look in more to this and see if i cant fabercate this for a cheaper price. if anything ill buy it and see if i cant rev eng it so at least others can build one cheaper! cause thats a little steap for a connector some wires a little speaker and maybe a little circuitry that you can get at CCity.

[Sveach]

That'd be great! Let us know how it goes, I'd love to be able to build my own.

[phantom01231]

as long as there is no micro electroinc in it i should be a cake walk to do it!

[Sveach]

That's the problem. I'm sure that there is. If you look at that crutchfield link and view the largest size picture, you can clearly see that there are 4 wires going into that speaker box. Speakers only need two wires, as i'm sure we all know. So there's clearly some microchip in it. If it were 3 wires, there's a possibility that they were overvolting/undervolting the speaker, but with 4 I'm pretty sure that they've got some circuitry in it. No idea what, but let us know what you find.

[phantom01231]

well there is two types of componets minature and micro which everyone probly knows that im sure theres some circuits in there just as long as its not any micro stuff like processors like you stated it shouldnt be a problem. it can still be copied just harder when it comes time for me to get a new head unit (when i find one i like that dont make my wallet combust) i will just have to see. unless someone out there has one and as a background in electronic and can do it! that would be cool to. when i get something though ill make a post peace out.

[phantom01231]

Ok so i was looking into these addaptors and stuff and i think i found one that will fix everyones problem. it allows you to keep the chims in you front speakers allows you to connect the stearing wheel controls and allows you to keep On-Star if you have it which i dont think any GA has. and it gives you the 12v ignition so you dont have to run a wire to the batt which it looks like you have to do with the other connector talked about above. this thing is made for the MOONSOON and Bose amped systems. I was looking at the diagram for the radio system and it looks like the radio gets its power from the computer. im not sure on that the diagrams are kinda cattywoompus. but anyways i think this one would be a better investment. little bit more but i think this is whatevery one should need to correct all problems and confusion. here is the link to check it out, look at it and let me know what yaw think.


http://www.autotoys.com/x/catalog/ONSTAR___MOONSOON_INTERFACE_FOR_2003_CLASS_II_GM_V EHICLES_OS04_p_4726.html#tabs

[phantom01231]

correction to link

http://www.autotoys.com/x/cust/product.php?productid=6107&cat=214&page=2

[wushdishmeen]

hmm thats odd. I actually just replaced my head unit with an aftermarket receiver and i still have my door chimes. When the gas is low theres a chime and the light comes on and whatnot..has it happened to everyone? cuz not me

[RocketFast321]

The 99-00 run on the old wire system

[8 ur pony]

Originally posted by phantom01231
correction to link

http://www.autotoys.com/x/cust/product.php?productid=6107&cat=214&page=2

That's awesome, I'll definitely be looking into that before putting my new HU in, since I have the steering controls, and that interface would kill 2 birds with 1 stone :)

[Shad0wguy]

Originally posted by RocketFast321
The 99-00 run on the old wire system

HA HA. 99 GA's FTW!

[Refuse Winst]

I don't personally see the point in spending $57 to make the steering wheel controls work if you have a remote anyways. For that matter, even the remote is kind of pointless (although I do use mine quite a bit :P) since you're remote controlling something that's a few inches away.

I guess it's just more of a matter of having everything in your car work whether it's practical or not, but still... seems like they could sell something like that for less than $50.

[djdanger]

good luck without the adaptor, I know for a fact on the 02 gt that little adaptor you have been told you can do without, not only gives you chimes, but, it also is linked with your oil change sensors, and other systems in the computer which use the data bus. This comes from an ASE certified mechanic, who works for a gm dealership. Always remember the 7 p's

prior
proper
planning
prevents
piss
poor
performance.

If it were mine, I'd buy the adaptor, just my opinion though.

[sunrunner_pei]

Originally posted by djdanger
good luck without the adaptor, I know for a fact on the 02 gt that little adaptor you have been told you can do without, not only gives you chimes, but, it also is linked with your oil change sensors, and other systems in the computer which use the data bus. This comes from an ASE certified mechanic, who works for a gm dealership. Always remember the 7 p's

prior
proper
planning
prevents
piss
poor
performance.

If it were mine, I'd buy the adaptor, just my opinion though.

WRONG!

:banghead:

The stereo has NOTHING to do with ABS, ETS, Airbags, the Oil Life Monitor, or the changing of the tides. :roll: It does, however, control the warning chimes. Without the relocation kit w/ an external speaker, or the data retention harness, you will not have ANY warning chimes. The warning chimes are used to signal any warning lights on the dash (Including the 'change oil' light, low washer fluid, SES, SVS, etc), headliamps left on, no seatbelt buckled, etc. ALL those features will still continue to operate, you simply won't have the chimes in addition to the warning lights.

I'd buy the adapter too (And I have), but there is no need to spread improper information.

BTW, all this information is in our FAQ.

[birdhouse]

Originally posted by sunrunner_pei
WRONG!

:banghead:

The stereo has NOTHING to do with ABS, ETS, Airbags, the Oil Life Monitor, or the changing of the tides. :roll: It does, however, control the warning chimes. Without the relocation kit w/ an external speaker, or the data retention harness, you will not have ANY warning chimes. The warning chimes are used to signal any warning lights on the dash (Including the 'change oil' light, low washer fluid, SES, SVS, etc), headliamps left on, no seatbelt buckled, etc. ALL those features will still continue to operate, you simply won't have the chimes in addition to the warning lights.

I'd buy the adapter too (And I have), but there is no need to spread improper information.

BTW, all this information is in our FAQ.

Agreed to the fullest extent, Shawn.

[Sveach]

Just to prove both of them right, I'm agreeing too. And I have a 2002 gt as well. You only lose chimes. Your air bags, your brakes, your oil monitor, traction control, etc all will work just fine if you take out the stock head unit.

[b2089]

Originally posted by Sveach
That is correct. Here's a crutchfield link that talks a little bit about that module.

http://www.crutchfield.com/S-soHfu4lst6d/cgi-bin/prodview.asp?i=120GMRC01

I like their disclaimer that not having you door chimes may result in "serious injury or death". I find it hard to imagine a fatality from not having a chime to tell you that your washer fluid is low or that you left your headlights on.

[RocketFast321]

Originally posted by b2089
I find it hard to imagine a fatality from not having a chime to tell you that you left your headlights on.

I came very close to a fatality one day when I left my parking lights on

[sunrunner_pei]

Originally posted by b2089
I like their disclaimer that not having you door chimes may result in "serious injury or death". I find it hard to imagine a fatality from not having a chime to tell you that your washer fluid is low or that you left your headlights on.

Wow, that's some serious 'Ass Coverage'! :lol:

[mattcubus]

Hmmmm thread is a wee bit old but i figure i would pop in my first post with a question regarding a harness i found on crutchfield...

Harness (http://www.crutchfield.com/S-oLhwIGzlVIM/cgi-bin/ProdView.asp?i=120701858&tab=morephotos&s=0&cc=01&g=103000#morephotos)

the plastic form looks like it will connect to the wires running from the speakers to the stock HU but i have to take another look at my system when i have some daylight.. night time at 5:00 is no good.
other that that all i want to do is run my stocks but run L&R RCA's to my amp seperatly for the sub (that should be possible)

[Jibo]

mattcubus, shoudl have just made a new thread for your post, but what are you doing? replacing the stock HU?

[RocketFast321]

Originally posted by mattcubus
Hmmmm thread is a wee bit old but i figure i would pop in my first post with a question regarding a harness i found on crutchfield...

Harness (http://www.crutchfield.com/S-oLhwIGzlVIM/cgi-bin/ProdView.asp?i=120701858&tab=morephotos&s=0&cc=01&g=103000#morephotos)

the plastic form looks like it will connect to the wires running from the speakers to the stock HU but i have to take another look at my system when i have some daylight.. night time at 5:00 is no good.
other that that all i want to do is run my stocks but run L&R RCA's to my amp seperatly for the sub (that should be possible)

Just go to autozone or walmart to get one sine you have the old wire system. But that is the right one

[nineteen88ga]

I made a sticky a while back about the correct radio wiring harnesses needed inALL year G/A's after reading that their should be no debate. I'm a PROFESSIONAL INSTALLER, not somone who just reads about car audio on the internet. Stickies are your friends.

Their definately is alot of confusion with thenewer G/A's as far as audio wiring. If anyone has any questions you need answered please don't hesitate to PM me. I can give you the correct answer.

[mattcubus]

Originally posted by Jibo
mattcubus, shoudl have just made a new thread for your post, but what are you doing? replacing the stock HU?

I am unless the stock unit has RCA L&R outputs (last time i took it out i don't think i noticed any) and someone here should know for sure

Originally posted by nineteen88ga I made a sticky a while back about the correct radio wiring harnesses needed inALL year G/A's after reading that their should be no debate. I'm a PROFESSIONAL INSTALLER, not somone who just reads about car audio on the internet. Stickies are your friends.

Of course after i posted the original reply in this thread your stickie came up and slapped me around and made me read it...
and now that i know you're in the industry i'll be abusing the PM system :D... just kidding

i will have a question at one point soon