99+ Front and Rear STB group buy 60 shipped anywhere in the US

[roksoc]

Hey everyone I have been talking to a seller on ebay about providing us with the cavalier front and rear STB. But he would give us the rear bar the same as the front bar which as discussed in other threads will work on 99+ GA's. I will have a price for you very soon. So stay tuned.

PM me with any questions

UPDATE:: They will be available to anyone that wants them for 60.00 shipped to anywhere in the US.

He dosent want to start selling them yet until they are tested out on my car but once I get them and install them they will be available to everyone else. I'll keep everyone posted.

[roksoc]

update

[AeR0]

what make are they?

[roksoc]

the kind sold on ebay.

[Vampyrate]

any update on if he is selling these? i may be interested in the front only

[roksoc]

Yes these are going to be sold. I will ask about just the front .

[roksoc]

UPDATE: I will have pics of the bars on monday once they get to me. And they should be installed the next day.

[slowbird]

I'm interested.

How would it work for the shipping to Canada?

[tido_29]

Interested here too :)

Matt. how is the radar ???

[roksoc]

slowbird: I will ask about shipping to canada.

1.Vampyrate (front only)
2.slowbird
3.tido_29

[Bjornboy81]

wait....$60 for both, or $60 each???

I might be intrested in a rear only. :)

[roksoc]

it's 60 for both and that includes shipping. that means for 60 dollars you get the front AND the rear shipped right to your door.

Bjorn and Vampyrate: Maybe you guys can work something out together

[XoticGA]

They have to be modded to fit?

[Dargasonus]

do these fit without modification?

if so i'm game for a pair

[roksoc]

Yup they fit without modification. I give credit to this thread http://www.gaownersclub.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=50663&highlight=strut+bar for providing all of that information. if you look through that thread most questions should be answered.

[XoticGA]

Originally posted by roksoc

1.Vampyrate (front only)
2.slowbird
3.tido_29
4.XoticGA

[Dargasonus]

1.Vampyrate (front only)
2.slowbird
3.tido_29
4. XoticGA
5. Dargasonus
:)

[roksoc]

:woot:

[TheTrader]

I am also very interested depending on shipping to Canada!!

[roksoc]

I sent an E-mail asking about canada I will post when I get a response.

[Shad0wguy]

Show me a pic of these. I may be interested.

[roksoc]

It should look like the one in this thread but I will have pictures of the ones I recive on monday. and will have installed pics on tuesday.

http://www.gaownersclub.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=50663&highlight=strut+bar

[xLongIslandcore]

im interested, but i wanna know if anyone has bought these and actually noticed a difference in handling?

I read the linked thread, and no one commented on the results

[AeR0]

i am interested in these too but i would like to see what other ppl who have bought them think and also thses are a direct bolt on? and they fit perfect? im not going to have to go and do what the other guy did in that link?

[roksoc]

what do you mean? what did he do in the other link? as far as I know it is a direct bolt on. I am reciving my set tommrow and I will document the install.

[AeR0]

kool thanks i am very interested in these!

also pics would be cool too!

did you find out about us candian guys what it would cost for shipping?

[roksoc]

I will have pics tommorow. and I will have a price for canadian shipping sometime in the middle of next week.

[Grims01GT]

Just wanted to clarify if the mounts and hardware were included in the price, If so, I may be interested~Grim

[roksoc]

for the price you recive

1 bar or the front
1 bar for the back
2 brackets for the front
2 brackets for the back

I will make instructions tommorow when I install the bar.

I should have a price for canadian shipping wednesday or thursday

[slowbird]

...and try and find out what method they are shipping it to Canada, and if we have a choice of Postal or Courier. If not then that's okay.

Thanks for looking into all this.

Can't wait to see some pics.

[roksoc]

I'm at work right now and I just checked the package with UPS it is out for delivery. So I am getting it today. I will post pics of the parts right out of the box but I wont be able to install them till tommrow. and then the day after I install I will have more information regarding shipping to canada.

[JoeyK]

For anyone wanting to see pics, if they are like the ones from our thread about Pauls attempt at getting a company interested (Seems as though the guy Paul was talking to backed out) here's mine, in this thread;

http://www.gaownersclub.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=55214&perpage=5&pagenumber=1

Handling is much crisper under a heavy load. But in normal everyday driving you won't really notice a diff. In other words, if you're pushing it to the extreme in the corners, you'll notice a diff. then.


Anyways, glad to see there's someone out there willing to make the setup for GA owners - Good work, Joe!:)

[Grims01GT]

Deff interested then...When do you plan on ordering so i have the money ~Grim

[roksoc]

I dont have an exact date yet for orders but it will most likely be sometime next week.

I did not get them today because UPS said they couldnt leave them at my door becasue I live in an apartment and I didnt give them my apartment number so they are going to try again tommrow.

Pics and installation will deffinetly be available this week.

[roksoc]

I HATE UPS!!!!!
I will have the package tommrow.

Sorry for the delay guy's

[slowbird]

Yea...UPS blows the big one.

[AeR0]

what kind of material are these bars made of?

[Bjornboy81]

Originally posted by AeR0
what kind of material are these bars made of? Here's a hint....not plastic or wood. :)





:P If they are like the other Ebay STB's then they are steel brackets with aluminum bars. :)

[slowbird]

Originally posted by Bjornboy81
Here's a hint....not plastic or wood. :)

Are they made out of Fingernails?

[AeR0]

no i didnt know if they were made of steel or strengthed steel or alumminum etc...

[roksoc]

Originally posted by Bjornboy81
Here's a hint....not plastic or wood. :)





:P If they are like the other Ebay STB's then they are steel brackets with aluminum bars. :)

Yup they are made of steel brackets and polished aluminum bars.

[AeR0]

what grade of aluminum... i dont want stuff thats going to be all flexible.

[roksoc]

it's made of T6061 aircraft grade billet aluminum.

[AeR0]

that is some nice stuff T6061!!!!

ok now all iwant to see is pics of the bars and also i want to know about shipping

[Bjornboy81]

I believe me and Aaron (Vampyrate) may split on the bars. I'll probably buy the set and have him buy the front from me...we're still talking. :)

[roksoc]

Sounds great. I am at work right now but I will be picking up the bars from my sisters house around 6PM and I will have pics around 7. Canadian Shipping will be determined by the end of the week.

[roksoc]

This is what I have so far if more are interested please add your name to the list:


1.Vampyrate/Bjornboy81
2.slowbird (canadian)
3.tido_29
4. XoticGA
5. Dargasonus
6.TheTrader (canadian)
7.AeR0(canadian)
8.Grims01GT

[AeR0]

umm i am canadian too eh!

[roksoc]

list updated:
1.Vampyrate/Bjornboy81
2.slowbird (canadian)
3.tido_29
4. XoticGA
5. Dargasonus
6.TheTrader (canadian)
7.AeR0(canadian)
8.Grims01GT

[AeR0]

lookin forward to the pics maybe you could take the extra bit of time and create a how to so that way once the bars are all shipped out it will avoid a million questions for you.

[95blackz26]

list updated:
1.Vampyrate/Bjornboy81
2.slowbird (canadian)
3.tido_29
4. XoticGA
5. Dargasonus
6.TheTrader (canadian)
7.AeR0(canadian)
8.Grims01GT
9.95blackz26

[roksoc]

Yes I deffinetly plan on making a how-to. and I will have pics of the parts themselves today and maybe even installed since the weather has cleared up.

[AeR0]

right on sounds awesome i cant wait to see!

[roksoc]

Well brown has yet to deliver the package. it was put on a truck this morning at 1 AM and it is now 7 PM. Just called and they said I will have it tonight.:blake:

[roksoc]

Here's a pic of the bar's and the brackets. I will install tommorow.




http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v418/roksoc/6d71f765.jpg

[AeR0]

nice lookin! how strong is it though could u bend it over your knee?

[UncleMike]

I'd be interested, depending on the difficulty of install.

[roksoc]

I just tried bending it over my knee, didn't budge. These things are really strong.

[XoticGA]

Sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet

[roksoc]

Originally posted by UncleMike
I'd be interested, depending on the difficulty of install.

The install is very simple. all it requires you to do is loosen 4 nuts on the front strut towers put the bar on and put the nuts back on.

The rear install is exactly the same except you only take off 2 nuts on each tower.


I will be making a guide with pictures tommrow.

[roksoc]

I put them together.


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v418/roksoc/3d675d36.jpg

[Tyny04]

list updated:
1.Vampyrate/Bjornboy81
2.slowbird (canadian)
3.tido_29
4. XoticGA
5. Dargasonus
6.TheTrader (canadian)
7.AeR0(canadian)
8.Grims01GT
9.95blackz26
10.Tyny04

[TheTrader]

totally interested depending on Canadian shipping... they look sweet for the price... :)

[roksoc]

Once I get them Installed and send pics to the vendor he will give me a canadian price. So I should therfore probably have a price by friday since I am installing and sending pics tommorow.

Do you thik it would be worthwhile to make a video of the installation or do you think pics will be enough? The instalation is very straight forward but I could do a video if anyone wants.

[AeR0]

do both it would be beneficial maybe to some newbies who might want video over text.


good idea!

[LCCUB]

I am most likely interested! these look great, I'll add myself to the list once I see the finished product, thanks for settings this up:deal:

[roksoc]

np. I'll have it installed tonight with pictures.

[slowbird]

Good work...keep it up.

[xLongIslandcore]

list updated:
1.Vampyrate/Bjornboy81
2.slowbird (canadian)
3.tido_29
4. XoticGA
5. Dargasonus
6.TheTrader (canadian)
7.AeR0(canadian)
8.Grims01GT
9.95blackz26
10.Tyny04
11. xlongislandcore

:)

[AeR0]

Originally posted by roksoc
np. I'll have it installed tonight with pictures.


did you get it done???

[roksoc]

Nope I didn't get it done. I got hit with a rain storm. It's gonn have to wait until saturday.

[Bjornboy81]

Me and Vampyrate are a for sure on this. I'm gonig to buy it and we'll work out the rest. Let me know when to send payment and to who. :)

[SEMPERFI8387]

list updated:
1.Vampyrate/Bjornboy81
2.slowbird (canadian)
3.tido_29
4. XoticGA
5. Dargasonus
6.TheTrader (canadian)
7.AeR0(canadian)
8.Grims01GT
9.95blackz26
10.Tyny04
11. xlongislandcore
12. Semperfi8387

[Bjornboy81]

so maybe I missed it, but when and to who do we sent payment? :)

[roksoc]

I will have that information most likely next week. Sorry for the Delays.

The vendor will give me all that information when I get it installed. I also want to make sure it goes smoothly and make sure that you dont have to buy anything extra. Please be patient.

[Bjornboy81]

no problem....you do it again and I'll hunt you down, but you're forgiven this time :)

[roksoc]

eeek.:)

[Import_Sound]

im interested but i want to see the pics first before i agree

[bykryder83]

the rear bar should not work considering the cavalier/sunfire and the grand ams have completely different setups in the rear

[JoeyK]

The rear brackets are identical between the two. The only difference is the bar is longer for a Grand Am. As luck would have it the front bar from a Cav. stb works on the rear, in conjunction with the Cav. rear brackets, as I proved in my origional experiment.;)

[roksoc]

JoeyK: could you show me what you did about that metal part that dosent come off in the back.

[JoeyK]

? You mean the round, threaded collars?

[roksoc]

Yea the round washer looking thing.

[JoeyK]

Originally posted by roksoc
Yea the round washer looking thing.

Those are threaded collars, welded to the strut tower structure. At those points the strut is actually bolted on from underneath. -DO NOT TRY TO REMOVE THEM!!!-

If you look in a couple of my pics I used a few thick body washers (They're gold in the picture) on the other studs to bring them up level with those collars, then used another nut on top of them.

[roksoc]

k gotcha. what size washers are they?

[SEMPERFI8387]

Originally posted by bykryder83
the rear bar should not work considering the cavalier/sunfire and the grand ams have completely different setups in the rear

I think by reading this thread and the other one specified, he is getting the vedor to supply two "front" bars, which the front bar is correct length for the back.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong.:)

[roksoc]

You are 100% correct.

[JoeyK]

Originally posted by roksoc
k gotcha. what size washers are they?


To tell ya the truth I don't remember. I have a huge stash in my tool box & didn't stop to look or think.

[roksoc]

Hi guy's it was a nice day out today so I installed the front STB here are pics. Instructions will follow after I get the rear done.

To install the rear you will have to buy 2 nuts and 2 washers.

Yes I know my engine is nasty looking.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v418/roksoc/6fc2a475.jpg

And no alternator trouble.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v418/roksoc/ccc07adc.jpg

[JoeyK]

Originally posted by roksoc


To install the rear you will have to buy 2 nuts and 2 washers.



Acutally, depending on thickness, you'll have to put 2 to 3 washers per side so I'd say buy 6 washers to be on the safe side.

[roksoc]

ok. I think I'm also going to measure the thickness of the washer thats there to see if I can get somthing the same size.

[Import_Sound]

Alright im game. Write me down.

[prototypepacifi]

I'm interested. Tell me where to send the money.

[roksoc]

I will have all of that information next week.

[roksoc]

1.Vampyrate/Bjornboy81
2.slowbird (canadian)
3.tido_29
4. XoticGA
5. Dargasonus
6.TheTrader (canadian)
7.AeR0(canadian)
8.Grims01GT
9.95blackz26
10.Tyny04
11. xlongislandcore
12. Semperfi8387
13.prototypepacifi
14.Import_Sound

If anyone is missing please add yourselves

I am going to do the rear tommorow weather permiting. Since my garage is currently occupied by my mothers garage sale. And I do not want to work in the rain because I dont want to get my trunk wet.

[prototypepacifi]

Ah yes..I skipped a page by mistake and read that. Sorry. :)

Also, I didn't see any pics from JoeyK. Do you have any pictures of the rear installed?

[roksoc]

There is a link somewhere. let me find it.

[roksoc]

Here is a pic form another thread of the bar sitting on the bolts.

http://www.gaownersclub.com/forum/attachment.php?s=&postid=637142

I will have pictures of it installed tommrow.

[AeR0]

so its now sunday do you have any details on shipping to canada ?
when and where we send our money to?
and also install pics and the video?

lets us know...

[roksoc]

Vendor has not yet gotten back to me on shipping. Pleas be patient as this is a holiday weekend in the states.

There are some pictures of it installed on this page and I will have a detailed video/instructions later.

[TheTrader]

Holiday weekend in Canada too.... :P

[duce]

Any idea if these will work on a 95 beretta? Looks like a pretty sweet deal if so. If someone has the measurements I can compare to my car to see if they would.

[roksoc]

List Updated:

1.Vampyrate/Bjornboy81
2.slowbird (canadian)
3.tido_29
4. XoticGA
5. Dargasonus
6.TheTrader (canadian)
7.AeR0(canadian)
8.Grims01GT
9.95blackz26
10.Tyny04
11. xlongislandcore
12. Semperfi8387
13.prototypepacifi
14.Import_Sound
15.BQfromNY

[roksoc]

Shipping will be $75 to Canada. And you can start ordering them now or you can wait untill I fit the rear bar to make sure it works. be advised that for the rear you will have to buy 2 nuts since the GA is missing 2 and some wahsers to make it level.

[slowbird]

So $75 dollars US shipped to anywhere in Canada?

Sweet.

Any idea which company they'll be shipping with?

[AeR0]

Originally posted by roksoc
Shipping will be $75 to Canada. And you can start ordering them now or you can wait untill I fit the rear bar to make sure it works. be advised that for the rear you will have to buy 2 nuts since the GA is missing 2 and some wahsers to make it level.


maybe you could find what ones fit best and supply them to us?

[slowbird]

Originally posted by AeR0
maybe you could find what ones fit best and supply them to us?

Or just giving us the nut/washer size so we can just go to our local hardware store and buy 'em.

[roksoc]

Update:
Yes I can provide the nut and washer size when I figure them out but I will not send you the actual thing just the size so you can buy it yourself.

They ship UPS to canda but they will under value the item.

[slowbird]

Originally posted by roksoc
Update:
Yes I can provide the nut and washer size when I figure them out but I will not send you the actual thing just the size so you can buy it yourself.

They ship UPS to canda but they will under value the item.

Awesome

[roksoc]

Send money to drivingear@yahoo.com through payapl

Title:Grand AM front up and rear up strut bars

60 for US orders

75 for Canadian orders.

[roksoc]

I am going to test out the nuts and washers I just got and see how they work out I'll be back later with updates.

[prototypepacifi]

Will they ship them out to us as soon as they recieve our payment, or will they wait for some reason?

I have another question, but I forgot what it was. Just waiting on the answer to the above question before I send payment.

[roksoc]

The rear has been installed. I still have to tighten the nuts a little more but I just wanted to post this first.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v418/roksoc/STBinstall014.jpg

Please update the list after you have paid by adding (paid) next to your name.

Thanks

[roksoc]

Instead of taking off the nut that was thee and adding washers I just put the bracket ontop of the nut that was already there and put another nut on top to hold it down. It seems to work fine.
Also these are the nuts that I used.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v418/roksoc/STBinstall008.jpg

[prototypepacifi]

Looks incredible! How much better does the car feel around turns? I can't wait to get mine :)

Looks awesome with that nice clean trunk, and the fact that its a silver GA. It's a proven fact that silver GA's are the best. :P

Updated list:
1.Vampyrate/Bjornboy81
2.slowbird (canadian)
3.tido_29
4. XoticGA
5. Dargasonus
6.TheTrader (canadian)
7.AeR0(canadian)
8.Grims01GT
9.95blackz26
10.Tyny04
11. xlongislandcore
12. Semperfi8387
13.prototypepacifi - PAID
14.Import_Sound
15.BQfromNY

*edit* Because you left the bolt on, did you have to use more washers than you would have? I was going to do the same thing you did and just leave the bolt on. Thanks for posting the bolt/washer(when you get it done) sizes, too! :)

[roksoc]

I have yet to take it out and drive it hard since I am pretty sure I have a warped rotor and dont want to take any chances. But I do like the look of it.


:woot: for silver GA's

[JoeyK]

You won't notice a diff. unless you're really pushing it hard, for everyday driving, you won't even notice a difference.
My car used to lift the outside rear wheel fairly easy in an extreme, hard turn. Since I installed my bar I noticed it does not lift as easily now.
The front bars make more of a difference, imo. You feel a bit of firmness with the front bar installed & as I said, the rear you most likely won't even know it's there untill you push it hard in a turn.

[DoubleOZeroGAse]

I've been following and I think I'll join the bandwagon, one question, though. After all that, how easy do you think removal would be if you had to carry the occasional odd-sized object in the trunk and the STB was in the way? Good work on getting this done though, Joe, you have been very good at keeping this thread going and keeping us updated.

[roksoc]

If you had to get it out of the way it wouldnt be terribly difficult But you might want to have a few minutes to take it out. The brackets could stay in and you can just remove the bar it's self pretty fast.. But honestly it really dosent take up any space There is about an inch and a half from the back of the bar to the back of the rear seats.

[Gt1panthergirl]

roksoc,
Same question as prototypepacifi, how soon will they ship after payment and will we be provided with tracking number ?

Thanks

[roksoc]

Yes they will ship after payment and you will get a tracking number. If you pay now they will ship wednesday because of the holiday.

[Import_Sound]

Sounds good.

[Tyny04]

Updated list:
1.Vampyrate/Bjornboy81
2.slowbird (canadian)
3.tido_29
4. XoticGA
5. Dargasonus
6.TheTrader (canadian)
7.AeR0(canadian)
8.Grims01GT
9.95blackz26
10.Tyny04 - PAID
11. xlongislandcore
12. Semperfi8387
13.prototypepacifi - PAID
14.Import_Sound
15.BQfromNY

[AeR0]

well guess i should hurry and get my payment to you!

also i was wondering did u make a video of the install or pics?

[roksoc]

I have pics of the instalation and I am going to add instructions to them and host them on my web site.

[duce]

what no love for a beretta guy? I'm sure the front would fit I just dont know about the rear :???:

[roksoc]

What are the measurments of your rear?

[duce]

You want the measurement from center to center of the shocks correct?

[prototypepacifi]

Distance between the inside bolts would probably be more helpful. Measure how far apart the bolts are, too, to see if the same bracket would work.

[SEMPERFI8387]

Originally posted by roksoc
What are the measurments of your rear? .

:lol: :lol: :lol:

[SEMPERFI8387]

roksoc,
Payment sent.

Thanks, Smitty

[prototypepacifi]

Originally posted by SEMPERFI8387
.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

rofl, I almost posted the same thing and thought to myself "Nah..better stay on topic" :P

[ephiny526]

1.Vampyrate/Bjornboy81
2.slowbird (canadian)
3.tido_29
4. XoticGA
5. Dargasonus
6.TheTrader (canadian)
7.AeR0(canadian)
8.Grims01GT
9.95blackz26
10.Tyny04 - PAID
11. xlongislandcore
12. Semperfi8387
13.prototypepacifi - PAID
14.Import_Sound
15.BQfromNY
16.ephiny526 - PAID

[SEMPERFI8387]

updated 7/4/06

1.Vampyrate/Bjornboy81
2.slowbird (canadian)
3.tido_29
4. XoticGA
5. Dargasonus
6.TheTrader (canadian)
7.AeR0(canadian)
8.Grims01GT
9.95blackz26
10.Tyny04 - PAID
11. xlongislandcore
12. Semperfi8387--PAID
13.prototypepacifi - PAID
14.Import_Sound
15.BQfromNY
16.ephiny526 - PAID

[TheTrader]

anyone know what the rules are with UPS and shipping to Canada... if the value of the item is really low, do they still charge for it?? probally.... I was thinking of getting someone to order it for me that is in NY and then put it on when I am in Albany :)

[Import_Sound]

updated 7/4/06

1.Vampyrate/Bjornboy81
2.slowbird (canadian)
3.tido_29
4. XoticGA
5. Dargasonus
6.TheTrader (canadian)
7.AeR0(canadian)
8.Grims01GT
9.95blackz26
10.Tyny04 - PAID
11. xlongislandcore
12. Semperfi8387--PAID
13.prototypepacifi - PAID
14.Import_Sound-PAID
15.BQfromNY
16.ephiny526 - PAID

[roksoc]

hey guy's the vendor of the bars is now selling them on ebay. the biding is starting at 39 and shipping is 35 to the US and 50 to Canada so we are getting a pretty nice discont. And thats my car in the pictures.

[prototypepacifi]

Can't complain about a $20 discount. :)

You guys rule for getting this set up. Think about the people that aren't members of GAOC that will find them on ebay and buy them. Well done.

[roksoc]

I'm glad everything worked out. I'm going to keep my eye on the auction and see how high it goes.

[prototypepacifi]

Hey rok, what size washers did you use on the back? You posted the nut size, but not the washer size.

[Bjornboy81]

updated 7/5/06

1.Vampyrate/Bjornboy81 - PAID
2.slowbird (canadian)
3.tido_29
4. XoticGA
5. Dargasonus
6.TheTrader (canadian)
7.AeR0(canadian)
8.Grims01GT
9.95blackz26
10.Tyny04 - PAID
11. xlongislandcore
12. Semperfi8387--PAID
13.prototypepacifi - PAID
14.Import_Sound-PAID
15.BQfromNY
16.ephiny526 - PAID


Money sent :)

[tkoch2]

when does this group buy close?

[roksoc]

Originally posted by prototypepacifi
Hey rok, what size washers did you use on the back? You posted the nut size, but not the washer size.

What I did was I put the brackets on top of the washer and the nuts that were already there and I put 8mm locking washers and then the nuts I posted.

[roksoc]

Originally posted by tkoch2
when does this group buy close?

This group buy does not have a set closing date. but dont expect to get this same deal after 3-4 weeks.

[slowbird]

I should be ordering mine tomorrow.

[roksoc]

cool.

[SEMPERFI8387]

Anyone else gotten any confirmation info ?
I have not seen anything yet.
Can ya tell I'm impatient !

[roksoc]

Everyone that has paid, you should recive your bars within 4 Business day's

[prototypepacifi]

We won't recieve a confirmation e-mail or anything? I thought we'd be getting a tracking number and stuff.

[SEMPERFI8387]

Originally posted by prototypepacifi
We won't recieve a confirmation e-mail or anything? I thought we'd be getting a tracking number and stuff.

That's what was supposed to happen, we'll have to see how it goes.



Originally posted by roksoc
Yes they will ship after payment and you will get a tracking number. If you pay now they will ship wednesday because of the holiday.

[Import_Sound]

Thats what i thought would happen.

[Bjornboy81]

I haven't gotten any email with a conformation or tracking number either.

[SEMPERFI8387]

roksoc,
Got any contact info ?
Maybe check with your guy and get the inside scoop.

[Bjornboy81]

Originally posted by SEMPERFI8387
roksoc,
Got any contact info ?
Maybe check with your guy and get the inside scoop. :agree:

[slowbird]

I'm waiting for the above info before I buy.

[TheTrader]

Originally posted by slowbird
I'm waiting for the above info before I buy.

yup.... me 2

[prototypepacifi]

I sent payment via paypal 2 days ago and still no confirmation e-mail. Starting to wish I had waited to send my money.

[SEMPERFI8387]

Well, if I don't see some kind of confirmation by Friday, I'll file a Paypal claim and try to get my money back that way.

[prototypepacifi]

I'll wait until Saturday, but that one extra day is going to cost someone their ass if this is some kind of scam or ripoff. :P

[Tyny04]

uh oh still no confirmation but money has been taken out of my account...I'll wait until Sunday :roll2:

[sunrunner_pei]

Canadian buyers should be wary of brokerage charges from UPS. Even when udervalued, you will have a brokerage charge on top of duty\tax charges that will come in the mail seperatly. :(

[slowbird]

Originally posted by sunrunner_pei
Canadian buyers should be wary of brokerage charges from UPS. Even when udervalued, you will have a brokerage charge on top of duty\tax charges that will come in the mail seperatly. :(
UPS makes me pay those BS charges at the door.

I hate Courier companies.

[roksoc]

I have contacted the vendor he says he has recived everyones money. If you wish to contact him personaly his E-mail is drivingear@yahoo.com

[prototypepacifi]

I'm sending him an e-mail asking him to send out confirmation emails and tracking numbers.

[Tyny04]

cool thanks!

[SEMPERFI8387]

Ok, I'm cool, they responded to me with a UPS tracking number. All seems good on my end.
Supposed to be to me on the 11th. :D

[prototypepacifi]

Same with me, I promptly got a tracking number and checked it out. Doesn't give an ETA or anything, but I'll trust it.

I asked the guy if he'd email everyone with tracking numbers. Not sure if he'll do it or not. If he doesn't just email him for it, I had my reply in about 5-10 minutes.

[SEMPERFI8387]

prototypepacifi,
PM sent.

[AeR0]

i still want these bars but im going to wait and see how everyone likes them before i send my money out.

thanks

[BQfromNY]

Payment sent

updated 7/6/06

1.Vampyrate/Bjornboy81 - PAID
2.slowbird (canadian)
3.tido_29
4. XoticGA
5. Dargasonus
6.TheTrader (canadian)
7.AeR0(canadian)
8.Grims01GT
9.95blackz26
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[roksoc]

Send him your name and he will send a tracking number.

[wushdishmeen]

im interested in these as well. the only thing is i cant use paypal...is there any other way to pay?

[roksoc]

Yes there is. you can pay by Credit Card. to do so please contact the vedor for more information.



I will be away for the weekend I wont be able to respond to any qyestions.


Good day.

[slowbird]

Everyone...

let us know when you get your STB in the mail so we know the supplier is on the level...I'm sure it'll ease alot of peoples minds.

[tkoch2]

has anyone actually got them yet. i am interested, but just want to make sure this is a legit deal...

[Tyny04]

i got my shipping confirmation and tracking number mine will arrive on monday

[Import_Sound]

Mine should be here monday as well.

[prototypepacifi]

My tracking number is working now, and should be here by Wednesday. :)

[thetruPGA]

Looks sweet im ordering mine today.

1.Vampyrate/Bjornboy81 - PAID
2.slowbird (canadian)
3.tido_29
4. XoticGA
5. Dargasonus
6.TheTrader (canadian)
7.AeR0(canadian)
8.Grims01GT
9.95blackz26
10.Tyny04 - PAID
11. xlongislandcore
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13.prototypepacifi - PAID
14.Import_Sound-PAID
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17.thetruPGA - PAID

[99GrandAMSE]

... as appreciation, maybe he could buy a banner ad for a month or two to help supprt the Club? :)

[Bjornboy81]

^good idea. :)


I should get mine tomorrow.

[slowbird]

Anyone get theirs today?

[SEMPERFI8387]

Mines due tomorrow (Tuesday).

[Tyny04]

I just got home and mine were waiting at the door I'll try to install them tonight and take it out for a spin. But the bars look and feel great definately not cheap aluminum so far I can tell.

[Tyny04]

installation was a breeze and handling is not bad similar to what others have said won't notice a difference unless you take it around corners

[TheTrader]

Did any Canadians order??

[AeR0]

yeah i still have to pay for mine im just waiting to see what other ppl are saying first.

[slowbird]

1.Vampyrate/Bjornboy81 - PAID
2.slowbird (canadian) - PAID
3.tido_29
4. XoticGA
5. Dargasonus
6.TheTrader (canadian)
7.AeR0(canadian)
8.Grims01GT
9.95blackz26
10.Tyny04 - PAID
11. xlongislandcore
12. Semperfi8387 - PAID
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15.BQfromNY - PAID
16.ephiny526 - PAID
17.thetruPGA - PAID

I just paid mine. Came up to just under $87 CDN.

I hope the company ships it saying it's a gift or worth very very little cause UPS brokerage is EXPENSIVE!

[Bjornboy81]

Originally posted by Tyny04
installation was a breeze and handling is not bad similar to what others have said won't notice a difference unless you take it around corners With just my front one, I notice quite a difference when going over uneven road. When one front tire dips (pot hole, or drain or something) the steering doesn't pull like it did before the STB. I'm not really expecting the rear to do all that much, but it looks cool and for $30 isn't bad. :)

[slowbird]

I noticed a nice difference when going around bends and off ramps when I had the STB installed on my Sunbirds....so I'm looking forward to getting this done to my Grand Am.

[99GrandAMSE]

... have them ship via REGULAR MAIL coming to Canada and you won't have to pay anything crazy for brokerage :)

[slowbird]

I requested it in my Paypal invoice but they most likely won't do it.

I've had SOOOOOOO MANY issues with people sending me stuff and not sending it regular mail like I asked.

Milzy sent me my PCM regular mail but I still had a customs fee on it.

[99GrandAMSE]

Depends on how they rated the package and what category it was put in ... sending it regular mail is generally because the post office only ever charges for any duties and tax when UPS charges for those thing PLUS there own fees for clearing the package :(

[Bjornboy81]

so do you crazy canuks have to pay all these extra fees on every package sent to just the ones from out of the country? :)

[99GrandAMSE]

... just imported ones :pissed2:

[Bjornboy81]

wow...and to think I live so close to the border I could so easily drive across and then ship it anywhere in Canada for like half the price.......hummm.....



:P

[ephiny526]

just wanted to say that I received my stbs today, and all i gotta say is *clears throat* niiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiice. i'll probably install them tomorrow.

[slowbird]

Awesome....everyone keep posting them as you get them.

and hey...take some installed pics why don't ya?!?

[roksoc]

Glad to hear that everyone that has recived their STB's has liked them.

[prototypepacifi]

I should be getting mine tomorrow..and the forecast is RAIN FOR THE REST OF THE WEEK! :( How disappointing is that? Looks like I'll just have to buy an umbrella, too!

[AeR0]

Originally posted by prototypepacifi
I should be getting mine tomorrow..and the forecast is RAIN FOR THE REST OF THE WEEK! :( How disappointing is that? Looks like I'll just have to buy an umbrella, too!


or a garage!

:D

[SEMPERFI8387]

Got mine today !! :)
They look sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet.
Rear one got scratched in package, but no major deal, I can polish it out.
Have to wait till Friday night to install.
They definitely are not cheapo bars.
Awesome deal for $60 bucks !!

[Import_Sound]

Got mine today and did the front install. Pretty simple and it looks great. Now to take some pictures, when i have time.

[Bjornboy81]

Got mine yesterday...I have no idea when I'll get it in though.

They look great. Typical welded brackets, the bars have some beef behind them! And I like how they're cylindrical instead of flat or oval like some...better flex resistance. Overall a nice looking set!! :thumbup2:

I wouldn't wait much longer Matt...they are well worth the $60. :)

[thetruPGA]

Supposed to get mine on Friday. Cant wait to get them in, probably on Sunday. Try to have pics on Monday or Tuesday.

[prototypepacifi]

Got mine today and they are VERY good quality! We definately got a deal on these. I got the front in (took me around 20 minutes with cleaning, and I've never done this before!) and was getting ready to do the back and got on here to check the nut size and GAOC WAS DOWN! :(

Definately a great deal, if you haven't payed yet in fear of getting "crap" or something then go ahead and pay! These are sweet bars. I'll get some pics when I get the rear one installed.

[JoeyK]

Originally posted by Bjornboy81
Got mine yesterday...I have no idea when I'll get it in though.

They look great. Typical welded brackets, the bars have some beef behind them! And I like how they're cylindrical instead of flat or oval like some...better flex resistance. Overall a nice looking set!! :thumbup2:

I wouldn't wait much longer Matt...they are well worth the $60. :)

Actually Paul, the ovaled ones are solid & the round ones are hollow. The oval shaped ones would be the sturdiest, imo. (I've got the oval in front & the round in the rear, both from Drivingear.)

[prototypepacifi]

Originally posted by JoeyK
Actually Paul, the ovaled ones are solid & the round ones are hollow. The oval shaped ones would be the sturdiest, imo. (I've got the oval in front & the round in the rear, both from Drivingear.)

I heard somewhere that the hollow ones are the sturdiest. I don't remember the reasoning behind it, but whoever told me this said that there was something that made them stronger, less flexible, and less likely to break. Given, I really doubt there's much difference in them (and that they'll likely never break anyways)

[JoeyK]

Originally posted by prototypepacifi
I heard somewhere that the hollow ones are the sturdiest. I don't remember the reasoning behind it, but whoever told me this said that there was something that made them stronger, less flexible, and less likely to break. Given, I really doubt there's much difference in them (and that they'll likely never break anyways)

Not with aluminum, hollow would allow it to bend easier. But I'm not worried, they are plenty sturdy enough to handle the job, afterall, they are 6061 aircraft grade.:)

[b2089]

Okay guys, I tried reading all 11 pages but I must have missed something. I guess we contact the people at the drivinggear@yahoo.com email address.

How did they fit on cars with the different alternators. I know that in 03 the alt. changed, unfortunatly I can't remember which one mine has (it's an early 03). Is there a clearance issue like with some other STB's?

Also what was the final solution on the rear since the funny bolt won't come off? Is just spacing it up with washers the best solution so far?

I'm hoping to jump on to the sale because at less than half the price of the others, I don't care that they aren't as pretty. I really liked the red one on PFYC but I can't justify paying that much for something I'll most likely never use.

Also what size wrench or other tools will I need? Forgive the questions but I'm always the guy that overprepares for everything. I'm the type of guy who reads the instructions on the box of toothpicks just out of curiosity.

[JoeyK]

Originally posted by b2089
Okay guys, I tried reading all 11 pages but I must have missed something. I guess we contact the people at the drivinggear@yahoo.com email address.



Also what was the final solution on the rear since the funny bolt won't come off? Is just spacing it up with washers the best solution so far?



Oh, it'll come off, if you get into your wheel well & back it out. Those are bolts, bolted in from the wheel well. The only solution is to level the bracket with washers before bolting down.

[b2089]

One more thing. Some people have mentioned the closeness of the bar to the alternator. My understanding is that the alternator casing is negative ground like the car chasis, so physical contact won't actually hurt anything electrically. However has anyone rubbercoated theirs just in case? I've seen those cans of rubber paint at Autozone, seems like it might be good if clearance is an issue. It isn't pretty, but it is soft and non-conductive.

[TheTrader]

Originally posted by b2089
One more thing. Some people have mentioned the closeness of the bar to the alternator. My understanding is that the alternator casing is negative ground like the car chasis, so physical contact won't actually hurt anything electrically. However has anyone rubbercoated theirs just in case? I've seen those cans of rubber paint at Autozone, seems like it might be good if clearance is an issue. It isn't pretty, but it is soft and non-conductive.

there is no need for that unless the positive wire for the alt is anywhere near hitting on the bar........ but I have a feeling if the motor will move enough to cause the alt to hit, you probally dont want to put the STB on.

[roksoc]

I have not had any problem with the alternator hitting the bar. even when the engine shakes there is still room. If it makes you feel better rubber coating wouldnt hurt.

If you want to travel to NYC I can test fit the bar on your car.

[prototypepacifi]

I got my rear bar installed. I didn't take anything off, I just bought 8 locking washers and 4 nuts and bolted them onto the existing nuts. It's level, and doesn't move at all!

I've also got like 1.5-2 inches between my front bar and the alt, so I don't think you should have any problems with it.

[JoeyK]

I had my alt. hitting my first bar but the difference in this bar & the other is the heigth at which the eyelet hole is on the bracket. On the other bar's brackets it was lower. This bar has a bit of an upward angle so the eyelet area of the bracket sits higher. As a side note, the eyelet part of the brackets were hitting the bottom of my hood so & took them to the bench grinder & ground the tops of them about a 1/8 of an inch, scuffed them down & repainted them. I also took my buffer to my bars, they look like chrome now.:)

[prototypepacifi]

I had a bit of a problem getting the back in, but it wasn't too bad at all. The bracket on the driver's side was sitting at an angle, instead of going straight across to the other one, so I had to kinda force the bar into the bracket. That's the only problem I had with them, and it's a minor problem. The front fit perfectly.

[b2089]

Has anyone else had the hood clearance problem Joey had?

Well I remember the bar from PFYC somehow would contact the altenator is a way to cause a problem. That's why the had to put in the disclaimer. I did a search for the thread here and came up with a billion pages but not what I wanted. I'm glad these fit better.

Anyway, I ponied up the cashola. To those still on the fence the guy agreed to the price today so it's not to late to do it. Like I said before, they may not be as pretty as the other types you see, but for the money I couldn't pass it up and the size of them makes me think they may be stronger.

Besides, looking at the cars here I imagine people will modify the look of them anyway since they modify everything else. Some will have things painted on it, others may have holes drilled in them so the wires loom through them, who knows. ;)

Originally posted by JoeyK I also took my buffer to my bars, they look like chrome now

[slowbird]

I ordered mine a few days ago...I got no confirmation as of yet.

[SEMPERFI8387]

Originally posted by slowbird
I ordered mine a few days ago...I got no confirmation as of yet.

Send them an e-mail, I got no confirmation either till I sent an e-mail.

[slowbird]

Will do.

[slowbird]

Did everyone who got their tracking numbers also get some payment information and some thing about 8% sales tax?

Also....what courier company is the tracking with. UPS didn't work for me.

[b2089]

It is UPS. The tracking number doesn't work for 24 hours. I've ran into this alot with UPS. They recycle tracking numbers so it takes a while before the system registers it, usually that occurs only after the package is on the road from it's destination to the closest hub for delivery.

I paid him yesterday and got a tracking number today. That's good service. I like this group buy. It's the first I've been privy to and we should do it more often.

[prototypepacifi]

Slowbird is in Canada, so he may not have shipped UPS.

I didn't see anything about an 8% sales tax thing anywhere..I payed $60 and that was it.

[SEMPERFI8387]

Put our front bar on tonight and had clearance issues.
We have a 2004 and the positive wire comes off the top rear of the alternator right where the bar goes across.
It touched the rubber isolater for the positive wire.
I went ahead and bent the bar a little bit to gain some clearance, and installed the bend toward the firewall.
I then put a piece of rubber hose around the bar @ that spot.
Heres a couple pics of the modified bar.


http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h300/GAGTPANTHERGIRL/STB%20INSTALLATION/102_0878.jpg

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h300/GAGTPANTHERGIRL/STB%20INSTALLATION/102_0875.jpg

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h300/GAGTPANTHERGIRL/STB%20INSTALLATION/102_0880.jpg

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h300/GAGTPANTHERGIRL/STB%20INSTALLATION/102_0879.jpg

[b2089]

So that must be the change that occured in late 03 to make the cars incompatible with strut braces, they moved that darn wire to the top. I'll have to look at mine and see how it is.

[b2089]

I just looked at mine. On mine the positive in on the back of the alternator low down, but there's an electrical connection where your positive wire is.

Hows the hood clearance? So far Joey is the only one who's hood touched. I must assume that he did something wrong :)

[JoeyK]

Originally posted by b2089
I just looked at mine. On mine the positive in on the back of the alternator low down, but there's an electrical connection where your positive wire is.

Hows the hood clearance? So far Joey is the only one who's hood touched. I must assume that he did something wrong :)

LOL,nope. (Hmmm,.. how do I put it? I guess I'll explain it by saying I'm one of the most picky, anal people you'd probably ever meet in the automotive body & paint profession) I'm the one who figured this all out & I gotta tell you, it's not rocket scientry. I've heard from alot of people with the same problem. You may not even know it's touching untill you see your paint starting to wear away. It's that slight but I'll almost bet the farm someone in this group will have the same probem, might take a few weeks or so to notice the signs but it'll happen.
-Just a pointer for you guys, keep an eye on the area above the bar brackets for wear, also, if your hood seems a little louder when you shut it that can also be a sign. You may also have it pop open with some force behind it when you pull the hood release. If anyone runs into it don't fret, it's an easy fix, as I said.
One big cause of it happening intermittantly, varying from car to car, is the drilling of the brackets during manufacturing. Trust me, these are not a piece of high precission work, they are not all in the same spec. Even the bars themselves are obtained from a generic manufacturer & used by a variety of companies.
I am not putting them down though. Although they are not precission made they get the job done & cheaply at the same time.:)
Another is when your car was put together the hinges may have been shimmed for proper fitment, or they may not, making a varying difference from car to car in hood heigth at the cowl area.

EDIT:As a side note, I think Drivingear should buy a banner ad on the site. If it was not for my forsight & a little r&d they would never know they were sitting on top of a product for Grand Am's that they could come up with so easily with thier own components. So in other words they are profitting off of my ingenuity. I just don't know how to come across as a sincere individual in asking on behalf of GAOC. I mean, I really don't think I should just come out & say "Hey, you should atleast support our GA club because without me, you would not have these bars to sell"
Anyone have a decent approach? I'm open to suggestions.:)

[b2089]

About the banner, I'd just ask a mod for site specs such as unique visitors, total number of members, number of active members, revenue that others ave earned via click through, etc.. Then let him know the price to banner ad and the price to banner on the link page, and see if he bites. Some people are complacent and willing to not grow and others are eager to grow their buisness.

You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make sexy Russian girls wash it. Sorry I got my threads confused for a moment.

[JoeyK]

Originally posted by b2089


You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make sexy Russian girls wash it. Sorry I got my threads confused for a moment.

Heh, you saw that sweet little video too, eh?:D

[SEMPERFI8387]

Originally posted by b2089

Hows the hood clearance? So far Joey is the only one who's hood touched. I must assume that he did something wrong :)

It seems fine. I tried to make sure everything stayed below the rear weatherstrip and when I first closed the hood, I did it very slow and gentle. I did not feel any resistance.
I am going to stick some clay (or gum) on the brackets and close the hood to get a good measurement of the clearance.

[SEMPERFI8387]

By the way, my bending was not the most professional.
I layed it @ an angle and beat it with a dead blow hammer.
I may buy a mini press @ Harbor Freight and bend it again.
(good excuse to buy one huh ?)

[slowbird]

Originally posted by SEMPERFI8387
Put our front bar on tonight and had clearance issues.
We have a 2004 and the positive wire comes off the top rear of the alternator right where the bar goes across.
It touched the rubber isolater for the positive wire.

:banghead: :pissed3:

[DoubleOZeroGAse]

Thanks to you all for being the guinea pigs, I just sent off my payment tonight. Can't wait to get them now that I know they will work OK!

[slowbird]

I wish I could TRACK MY SHIPMENT!

that would be nice.

Now I gotta think about bending the bloody bar...jeeze. :mad:

[b2089]

I think you would be okay just rubber coating the bar. You can get a spray on coating designed to isolate gas tanks from autozone. That would make a thin protective coating and the boot on the positive would then be an extra layer. You'll have to look and see how it installed though. Remember that these bars have a lot of variance in their design.

[slowbird]

Or I'll just wrap the bar in bubble wrap.

[prototypepacifi]

You could try going to lowes or something and getting some foam pipe wrap. Plumbers use it on hot water lines, I believe, and its about 1/8th-1/4 inch thick, and would probably slip right over the bar. You should check into it. I probably wouldn't look too bad, be too expensive, too hard, or cost too much!

Just an idea, of course. That's what we use on our tool buckets at work and it resists wear and tear like you wouldn't believe.

[b2089]

My thought was that the rubber coat would be a nice black and if you do the entire bar it wouldn't look bad either, but the wrap might work better. Foam wrap, not the bubble wrap. Everyone knows the only good thing about bubble wrap is when you can pop all the bubbles to let off steam.

There's a kevlar wrap at many performance aouto stores that people cut to use on wiring. It's beige and looks like those chinese handcuffs, so I don't think it would look good, but it might work and would be better than bending the bar unless you absolutly have to.

[JoeyK]

You can put whatever you want on there, it'll eat right through it the 1st time it hits. That's why I have an arched bar. I put on my 1st straight bar, headed out of town on a weekend trip the next morning & then noticed a horrible noise out on the highway when I hammered it. I couldn't figure it out for a while, sounded almost like a loose exhaust shield but really loud. I then determined what it was the next morn (sunday) as it had a good 1/8 inch chunk ground out of the bottom side of the bar. By the time I got home sunday evening it had just about went 1/4 inch into the bar. That's how I knew it was hollow. It ate through.
I now have a solid, arched bar & have no issues. I would not run it if it's going to hit your output connection on your alternator. It'll most likely cost you an alternator. Our 3.4 v6's have a hell of alot of torque. You'd be amazed just how much they rock in thier mounts under heavy acceleration.

[prototypepacifi]

Joey, you have fitment issues in your 2001? What year did they make the switch? I've got a 99 and had no clearance issues at all.

[slowbird]

Originally posted by JoeyK
You can put whatever you want on there, it'll eat right through it the 1st time it hits. That's why I have an arched bar. I put on my 1st straight bar, headed out of town on a weekend trip the next morning & then noticed a horrible noise out on the highway when I hammered it. I couldn't figure it out for a while, sounded almost like a loose exhaust shield but really loud. I then determined what it was the next morn (sunday) as it had a good 1/8 inch chunk ground out of the bottom side of the bar. By the time I got home sunday evening it had just about went 1/4 inch into the bar. That's how I knew it was hollow. It ate through.
I now have a solid, arched bar & have no issues. I would not run it if it's going to hit your output connection on your alternator. It'll most likely cost you an alternator. Our 3.4 v6's have a hell of alot of torque. You'd be amazed just how much they rock in thier mounts under heavy acceleration.

Yea...I've heard alot of this kinda stuff in older posts about the STB's...that's why I was pissed to hear it.

[JoeyK]

Originally posted by prototypepacifi
Joey, you have fitment issues in your 2001? What year did they make the switch? I've got a 99 and had no clearance issues at all.

I dunno for sure. My connections are not up top. The top of my alt. was hitting the underside of the bar. That's when I decided to swap it out for an arched one. It's been a year or so now. I cannot remeber what part of the alt. was hitting. I'll go out to the garage & see if I can figure it out. It didn't hurt the alt. though. Just put a hurting on the bar.

[prototypepacifi]

Hmm, I'll have to check mine a little closer now. I haven't noticed any strange noises or chunks missing out of my stb yet. I'll have to check the hood clearance, too, because someone said something about that.

[JoeyK]

The top where one of the bolts goes all the way through to hold the alt together there is a hump, or notch, if you will. That's what was hitting the bottom side of my 1st bar (The straight one.)
If you look at the pick, the spot I am speaking of has been circled.

[JoeyK]

This is my rear bar, which is straight. No problems there. Both my straight rear bar & my arched front bar came from Drivingear.

[b2089]

So are the ones we are getting arched for the front or have we all invested in a lemon?

[JoeyK]

I don't know. When I had participated in the first thread for the rear bars it was about the rear bar only. I had told others about my misfortune on the front bar in other threads previous to my rear bar experiment. When Paul tried to get a group buy after my discovery (The rear brackets w/ a front bar from a Cavalier makes a rear stb for a GA) before it was for a rear bar only. It may all come down to what brackets are coming with these front bars. Some have the mount tabs fairly low, which my first bar had (The straight bar) My arched bar came with brackets that have elevated mount tabs. (The tab the bar itself mounts to)

[JoeyK]

If you look in the pick, I circled the mount tab. Notice it sits kinda high, kinda elevated a bit. My first bar was not like that.

EDIT; I guess I kinda obstructed the view with my arrow, if you look at my first engine bay pic. on page 49 you'll see what I mean a little better.

[prototypepacifi]

The ones ordered from driving gear in the group buy are straight. They are also elevated on the brackets like in Joey's picture.