Intake on a '94 [Archive] - Grand Am Owners Club Forums

LargeFish

04-18-2003, 10:55 PM

Damn, I guess I've just never really taken all of the plastic and rubber crap off before. There is a hole going in to the wheel well that the intake was Y'd into so I should be able to get the rest of the stock crap out of there and get a cone in there. If I can slide the battery tray up some what it would make it easier. And I thought there was a sensor or something but all there is is the one hose. What is it with GM and their wacky airboxes? Same thing with my Camaro. No way in hell is ANY of that stock crap ever going back in the car.

LargeFish

04-18-2003, 10:58 PM

Would it pose any safety problem to move the battery tray up enough that I could use a nearly straight tube to the hole?

black95ho

04-19-2003, 01:19 AM

you should have no problem with sliding it a little. Heres a picture of what I did to my car. Hope this helps

LargeFish

04-19-2003, 08:41 AM

Yeah, so rotate 90* and move it forward... :thumbup:

You didn't move the hose fitting from the stock crap to the new intake?

black95ho

04-19-2003, 12:05 PM

no becuase that is only a breather hose that you can either use a oil filter or do as i did leave it to the side.

DominionTuner

04-19-2003, 05:00 PM

Hey LargeFish,

If you have some time. Remove the inner fender trim that is behind your right front tire. There is a HUGE resonator box in there that hooks up through that little hole. I have been debating of expanding that hole and runing my air filter in the fender.

LargeFish

04-20-2003, 07:41 PM

Absolutely. That stuff was as good as gone as soon as I saw that ho, err.. hole. I got plenty of time as the car is out of commission until I make the engine decision. I want to remove the throttle body and intake manifold next. Have to figure out how to releive fuel pressure since I can't do it the usual way... BTW the hole looks like it doesn't even need expanding. Looks perfect.

akalar32

04-26-2003, 11:56 AM

The hole on my 95 fit my 3" pipe perfectly.

LargeFish

04-26-2003, 09:33 PM

Right, I forgot the ruler, but it's got to be 3.5-4" in diameter. I'm still a little puzzled exactly how I will move the battery tray since the wheel well starts just a little bit up from the hole. For some reason the board is not liking the format of my jpg files. Hmm, edited them with Photo Deluxe and it always worked in the past...

DominionTuner

04-28-2003, 03:40 PM

Why don't you relocated the battery to your trunk? I would like to either add a second battery to my trunk or eventually get a nice deep cell to move into the trunk. Haven't decided yet. It's way later on my list of "possible things to mod" :)

LargeFish

04-29-2003, 10:32 AM

I've thought about that, but it's actually better to be as close to the starter as possible. I may end up putting a second battery in the trunk, as I will be installing a tube-type amateur transceiver in a custom mount at some point in time and that sucker draws some serious amps. I'll get the picture of the resonator up for you when I get home. Another piece of hideous plastic GM crap IMO.:D

LargeFish

04-29-2003, 07:07 PM

OK, here's the resonator pic, P.H.

LargeFish

04-29-2003, 07:09 PM

Now looking up through the hole with the resonator out.

akalar32

04-29-2003, 08:16 PM

Yeah, my intake has to slant abit coming out of the hole, and it doesn't move around either, which is good in some instances.

LargeFish

05-05-2003, 03:11 PM

A couple of questions. 1. Where did you get the pipe? 2. Is your car an automatic? If not must be some '95 differences I'm seeing.

Originally posted by black95ho
you should have no problem with sliding it a little. Heres a picture of what I did to my car. Hope this helps

ironray75

05-06-2003, 06:07 PM

And you guys are not worring about sucking up water with the intake down in the wheel wells?

LargeFish

05-07-2003, 01:38 PM

Nope, the cavity will be closed when it's done. Not water tight but certainly not much will be able to get in and the filter will be near the top of the cavity so it's not like it's gonna suck water up off the street.

Old Guy

05-17-2003, 05:58 AM

Originally posted by LargeFish
A couple of questions. 1. Where did you get the pipe? 2. Is your car an automatic? If not must be some '95 differences I'm seeing.

I looked at this on IronRay's car a few weeks ago.....I've been trying to come up with a solution too. What size pipe are you planning on running? Think 2.5" will be enough? I've thought about putting his battery in the trunk to get a straight shot. (yeah Ryan...I haven't forgotten about you!!)

Summit has just about any Mandrel bend you can think of....I looked at a 3" and 2.5" hooker J pipe.

ironray75

05-17-2003, 08:57 AM

Originally posted by The Old Guy
I looked at this on IronRay's car a few weeks ago.....I've been trying to come up with a solution too. What size pipe are you planning on running? Think 2.5" will be enough? I've thought about putting his battery in the trunk to get a straight shot. (yeah Ryan...I haven't forgotten about you!!)

Summit has just about any Mandrel bend you can think of....I looked at a 3" and 2.5" hooker J pipe.
Thanks Tom..I knew someone was watching my back..I have been thinking about it also..I would like to move the batter to the back also. It would make room for the new CAI piping..lol

LargeFish

05-17-2003, 09:10 PM

I think 3" is pretty standard as that's the diameter coming into the throttle body.

DominionTuner

05-18-2003, 02:11 PM

3" Mandrel is what the CAI's are made of. Your TB is 2.5" though. Most CAI's designed for the car's have a silicone adapter.

Old Guy

05-18-2003, 04:19 PM

Originally posted by DominionTuner
3" Mandrel is what the CAI's are made of. Your TB is 2.5" though. Most CAI's designed for the car's have a silicone adapter.

Well since the TB is 2.5, maybe a 3" in the wheel well and taper it to the 2 1/2 before the last coupling. That last drop will may help with the rush it will produce. I'll end up making the CAI for his (Ironray) basically the same as I did mine. Just used hooker header pipe....and got some coupler. They do have a 3" to 2 1/2" taper.

ironray75

05-18-2003, 05:45 PM

Originally posted by The Old Guy
Well since the TB is 2.5, maybe a 3" in the wheel well and taper it to the 2 1/2 before the last coupling. That last drop will may help with the rush it will produce. I'll end up making the CAI for his (Ironray) basically the same as I did mine. Just used hooker header pipe....and got some coupler. They do have a 3" to 2 1/2" taper.
Boy I am getting so excited..

LargeFish

05-20-2003, 11:13 AM

Coulda' swore it was bigger, but measured it last night, and sure enough it's a 2.5" ID. Also measured the hole next to the battery and it's about a 3.25" diameter...

Originally posted by DominionTuner
3" Mandrel is what the CAI's are made of. Your TB is 2.5" though. Most CAI's designed for the car's have a silicone adapter.

ironray75

05-20-2003, 11:16 AM

Thanks. I was kinda hoping someone would do that..

Old Guy

05-20-2003, 03:41 PM

Originally posted by LargeFish
Coulda' swore it was bigger, but measured it last night, and sure enough it's a 2.5" ID. Also measured the hole next to the battery and it's about a 3.25" diameter...

Okay....if you want to do it right you start at 3" at the filter and run into the engine bay. Use a 3" to 2 1/2" taper (not a coupler or a joint pipe, it has to gradually taper) to the throttle body.

I've been discussing this with my dad ( a super tuner from way back) ,an old ex-midget racer, a guy from Summit Racing and a few other guys I've met at the tracks over the years. It's a natural vortex effect ...air velocity will accelerate as it begins to restrict. If you don't believe it.....go flush your toilet, same principle.

IronRay.....I'm going to redo my GA's intake so I'll already have the mandrel curves for yours.

ironray75

05-20-2003, 06:35 PM

Originally posted by The Old Guy
IronRay.....I'm going to redo my GA's intake so I'll already have the mandrel curves for yours.
Cool..Just let me know when you want to tinker around..

LargeFish

05-21-2003, 12:20 PM

Tom, If you're gonna pick up parts anyways and don't mind grabbing one for me, I'm good for it. I have some stuff to order from Summit but am waiting for the 10% off day on June 7 since I want to buy a complete cat-back for my F-body.

Old Guy

05-21-2003, 03:53 PM

Originally posted by LargeFish
Tom, If you're gonna pick up parts anyways and don't mind grabbing one for me, I'm good for it. I have some stuff to order from Summit but am waiting for the 10% off day on June 7 since I want to buy a complete cat-back for my F-body.

I can do that.....I'm waiting for the 10% off day too :) I have about 10 thing list on my wish list at Summit!!! Also....just something to think about....I'm getting a heat blanket too......it's 6 X 12. I'm going to wrap my CAI with it. It's good for 2000 degress radiant heat so I would guess the air wouldn't warm up at all. You can take it off pretty easy for show.

ironray75

05-21-2003, 08:41 PM

Now that is an idea...lol

4kQuad

05-22-2003, 05:45 AM

If you put your batteries in the trunk, run the largest wire from the battery to the front as you can. The further it is from the battery to the starter the faster the Positive wire will corrode up and need cleaned.

ironray75

05-22-2003, 06:37 AM

Well I would move it to the back, but unfortunately I have a couple of 12's in the back.

DominionTuner

05-22-2003, 10:07 AM

Originally posted by LargeFish
Coulda' swore it was bigger, but measured it last night, and sure enough it's a 2.5" ID. Also measured the hole next to the battery and it's about a 3.25" diameter...

Yea for the longest i thought it was 3" When I got my silcone adapter for the Weapon-R Dragon intake i said, "This sh*t ain't right" So measured and well it was right! But point is...I know my Quad hehehe.

DominionTuner

05-22-2003, 10:09 AM

donalson

05-23-2003, 01:25 AM

Originally posted by 4kQuad
If you put your batteries in the trunk, run the largest wire from the battery to the front as you can. The further it is from the battery to the starter the faster the Positive wire will corrode up and need cleaned.

4gauge wire is all you realy need... though going larger won't hurt at all... if you choose to peice together your own rather then buying the $50 kit from summit use 4 gauge or smaller WELDING wire... it's flexable... makes routing it around easy.

i'm sure that relocating the battery would do wonders for our cars... they are WAY to nose heavy to start w/ which makes them understeer horridly... moving some weight to the rear should help a little... though i don't know how much... personly i won't be finding out... i got my toy (mr2) already... and if i where to mod another one of my cars it'd be the geo/rolla

if and when the motor goes boom on the GA i would love to swap to a quad HO motor though :) till then it's the wifes daily beater

mark

LargeFish

06-18-2003, 12:48 PM

OK with Tom's (TOG) help I think I've come up with what I'm gonna use. I think I'm gonna use this for the pipe:

DynoMax pipe (http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?part=WLK%2D44279)

It will leave me with a lot of extra pipe... And I think Tom's coupler will work with it.

Coupler (http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?part=GRM%2D10%2D509)

Those two parts and the filter should do it assuming I can get the battery out of the way like Black95HO did.

Old Guy

06-18-2003, 01:18 PM

Great price!!!! That's better than what I used!!! U just save IronRay about 20 bucks!!!

LargeFish

06-18-2003, 02:29 PM

Yeah, I told you I was a tight wad...:D

ironray75

06-19-2003, 05:43 AM

Originally posted by LargeFish
Yeah, I told you I was a tight wad...:D
I know that feeling..lol

LargeFish

06-19-2003, 10:45 AM

Well I ordred the stuff yesterday, seemed to be in stock, but today I see the pipe is only in stock in Reno so is coming from there. Something to keep in mind if you decide to use this pipe but then again stock conditions are probably always changing at both warehouses...

ironray75

06-27-2003, 06:35 PM

Have you gotten it yet? lol.. I am dieing to know.

LargeFish

06-28-2003, 11:57 PM

The pipe, yeah I got it, freaking huge! I wanted to try and size it up today but stopped by too late as the shop closed real early. Today I painted the Flowmaster muffler and resonator for the Camaro and got the old system off which also involved buying a Sawzall. :D My son managed to get the front resonator pipe on and we had to call it quits. Should be complete by noon? The GA is progressing. A few hoses and a starter (chewed up by parts flying at it) have been added and I need brakes also, got a pad warranty at Midas but I'll probably just get the pads and go with better rotors and calipers than that crap they supply. Once it's on the road, summer 17/225/45 z rated tires and 7.5 wide wheels...

LargeFish

06-30-2003, 03:19 PM

I was talking to Tom and we were thinking the most straight-forward approach might be to use a filter with a 2.5" opening so you could just run 2.5" pipe since the 3" is so huge. Just found one: http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?part=KNN%2DRD%2D0720

Old Guy

06-30-2003, 04:21 PM

Originally posted by LargeFish
I was talking to Tom and we were thinking the most straight-forward approach might be to use a filter with a 2.5" opening so you could just run 2.5" pipe since the 3" is so huge. Just found one: http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?part=KNN%2DRD%2D0720

Or....you can do this

Coupler: http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?part=GRM%2D10%2D509

Tube: http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?part=37053&from=MG

and then you can use any 3" filter

The problem with using 2 1/2" pipe though is finding the silicone couplers in that size. I couldn't find them at either Summit or DriverFx, so I think we're stuck with 3" tubing and the 3" filter and reducer.

LargeFish

06-30-2003, 04:29 PM

That coupler will not allow you to attach a 3" filter directly to a 2.5" pipe, you would also need a short length of 3" tubing. Believe me, I have the coupler. With the 2.5" filter it will attach directly to the pipe you have above and then you just need a 2.5" coupler to attach the other end of the pipe to the TB. I'm staying with the 3" unless it proves unwielding, but if I had it to do over I'd use the 2.5" pipe and filter, although the 2.5" filter I found is not exactly the shape I'd prefer, something a little shorter and fatter would probably be better as the length may push things in the fender wall...

ironray75

06-30-2003, 05:43 PM

:lurk:

LargeFish

07-01-2003, 12:03 AM

Hmmm, I hope your engine didn't go POP. Been there... Anyways had to get out in the garage with my new SawzAll and cut the long end of the pipe down and placed the filter and coupler on it and as a special bonus for Tom I threw in our TurtleWax water blade and a really good window squeegee that we also use...