Ecotec reliability

[sers]

Hi all.

I'm thinking of getting a GA and have ruled out the V6 because of reliabilty concerns. I am now considering a GA with the 2.2 Ecotec engine. My question is how reliable is this motor? Is it more reliable than the V6? From what I've seen and read so far, it seems to be. What kind of problems have you guys had with this engine??

Thanks for your help.

[XtremeGrandAm]

The ecotec is a lot different than any of gm's other engines.The Ecotec hasnt been in the Grand Am for long but it has been in the Saturn LS and LS1 since 99.(new names now but thats what it was called back then)

As far as the engine goes there have been no major reports of problems with the engine. The only concerns owners have had was bellow average gas mileage which usually occured during the winter. My dad uses a 02 L200 Saturn with the Ecotec for work. Its got 107,000 miles with no engine problems. Since the Ecotec has now replaced most of GM's 4 cyl engine you know its a winner. Its built using such high quality methods that even in its stock form in can stand being pushed up to 250HP

[TGS]

I want to know about the 250 HP mods?

[XtremeGrandAm]

Originally posted by TGS
I want to know about the 250 HP mods?
A lot of information just still hasnt been made available im not really sure why.Gm did create a supercharger for the Ecotec 2L that was from saab and opel Which is set to debut in the Saturn Red Line making 200Hp full specs are:

2004 Ecotec 2.0 Liter Supercharged Engine
Preliminary Specifications

Type: 2.0L inline 4-cylinder with supercharger
Displacement: 1998 cc
Compression ratio: 9.5:1
Valve configuration: dual overhead camshafts (4 valves per cylinder)
Valve lifters: hydraulic roller finger follower
Firing order: 1-3-4-2
Bore & stroke: 86 x 86 mm
Bore ctr. to ctr.: 96 mm
Supercharger: Eaton M62 helical roots compressor
Intercooler: water to air
Max. boost pressure: 12 psi
Pulley ratio: 1.85:1
Oil cooling: oil cooled pistons and direct mount oil cooler
Fuel type: gasoline (premium unleaded recommended)
Fuel system: sequential fuel injection with high pressure (56 psi)
Fuel shut off: 6500 rpm
Intake manifold: high flow, low restriction with integrated intercooler system
Throttle body: 68-mm electronic throttle control
Ignition system: high energy coil-on-plug
Horsepower: 200 hp @ 6200 (Estimate - final figures in fall 2003)
Torque: (lb-ft): 200 lb-ft @ 4400 (Estimate - final figures in fall 2003)
Spark plugs: platinum tip (1.5-mm gap )
Oil: 5W30 / 7 quarts with filter change

Materials
Block: aluminum lost foam casting
Cylinder head: aluminum semi-permanent mold casting
Intake manifold: aluminum
Crankshaft: forged steel with induction hardened fillet
Camshafts: cast iron
Connecting Rods: forged steel
Pistons: high strength aluminum
Assembly site: Kaiserslautern, Germany

Other than this information. I cant really offer much more I know twistec is still developing their turbo and GM hasnt released the supercharger. The only think that I know of as being available right now is a supercharger from http://www.rsmracing.com

[TGS]

Thanks looking for the poor mans ride right now:(

[graden]

this engine seems to be built and desighned alot like the 2.3 quad 4 .......... i want to see what happens down the years.
so far G.M could not build a decint 4 cil if there life depended on it. mabey just mabey this engine will change my mind:???:

[XtremeGrandAm]

I do know a person personally who bought a 99 Saturn L200 (with the ecotec) and is over 200,000 miles now with no engine issues

[USMCspy]

Just to let you all know, GM traded diesel technology with Honda for a lot of their I4 technology. That is why it was first introducted into the Saturn, and now is making it's way into the mainstream GM's. So the reliability is there (one of the only things a stock Honda engine has going for it:P ) Anyway, just thought I'd share

[Fast_am]

Originally posted by USMCspy
Just to let you all know, GM traded diesel technology with Honda for a lot of their I4 technology. That is why it was first introducted into the Saturn, and now is making it's way into the mainstream GM's. So the reliability is there (one of the only things a stock Honda engine has going for it:P ) Anyway, just thought I'd share

that is so much Bullshit its not funny. Honda doesnt make any Diesel engines nor does it have any plans for one.:rolleyes:

The Ecotec Was designed by a team of internaitonal GM Engineers . from every GM brand. Opel had major part in it.it has actualy been in use i europe for much longer, the opel Astra and Vectra both use it. the Opel speedster uses it. Saab is also useing it,some of them make 230-250HP. in the Saab 9-3 and 9-5.

who ever told you that line of BS is a freaking retard. if GM ever did anything like that ,it would be with Toyota since GM owns 20% of it.

[XtremeGrandAm]

Well USMCspy you almost got it right GM did trade disel Isuzu engines with Honda but not for 4 cylinder technology. They traded disel engines for the new 3.5L Vtec v6 engine thats in the new accord and a few other of their vehicles. GM has decided to put the 240hp Vtec engines in the 2004 Saturn VUE replacing the 3.0L Opel dirived 182hp Engine. They will not be offering the Honda Engines in any other GM vehicles.

The Ecotec engine is not based on anything from Honda. As Fast_Am said the Ecotec is pure GM not american GM but Opel. But now has made its way to a global platform. So you both are right and wrong

As far as the Ecotec engines go the saab variant is a 2.0L engine where most american versions are the Ecotec 2.2L I do know the new Saturn ION Red Line Edition will be using a supercharged 2.0L from opel and not the 2.2L that has been used in the other vehicles

So that should clear everything up :)

[Fast_am]

Originally posted by XtremeGrandAm
Well USMCspy you almost got it right GM did trade disel Isuzu engines with Honda but not for 4 cylinder technology. They traded disel engines for the new 3.5L Vtec v6 engine thats in the new accord and a few other of their vehicles. GM has decided to put the 240hp Vtec engines in the 2004 Saturn VUE replacing the 3.0L Opel dirived 182hp Engine. They will not be offering the Honda Engines in any other GM vehicles.

The Ecotec engine is not based on anything from Honda. As Fast_Am said the Ecotec is pure GM not american GM but Opel. But now has made its way to a global platform. So you both are right and wrong

As far as the Ecotec engines go the saab variant is a 2.0L engine where most american versions are the Ecotec 2.2L I do know the new Saturn ION Red Line Edition will be using a supercharged 2.0L from opel and not the 2.2L that has been used in the other vehicles

So that should clear everything up :)

yeah it does clear everthing up. what isnt clear is why somone felt the need to change your reply. and delete the other 2 that followed.:???:

[XtremeGrandAm]

Originally posted by Fast_am
yeah it does clear everthing up. what isnt clear is why somone felt the need to change your reply. and delete the other 2 that followed.:???:
Well there arent very many people that can delete threads/ posts I know I can in this section but im the moderator this is what I think happend...it has to do with the server switching over. They had to switch to a backup version of the forum I imagine which got rid of some of the more recent posts. I noticed that too because there were about 10 replys to different threads that I had to go back and redo. But the new server should be a lot better and thats worth the change. I however wasnt online for several days because I quit my job and had to get a new one so I never read any of the orignal replys after I posted that info

[Fast_am]

Originally posted by XtremeGrandAm
Well there arent very many people that can delete threads/ posts I know I can in this section but im the moderator this is what I think happend...it has to do with the server switching over. They had to switch to a backup version of the forum I imagine which got rid of some of the more recent posts. I noticed that too because there were about 10 replys to different threads that I had to go back and redo. But the new server should be a lot better and thats worth the change. I however wasnt online for several days because I quit my job and had to get a new one so I never read any of the orignal replys after I posted that info

ah ok thats explains it. i though somone was doing some content editing. which would have been very uncalled for in this thread.

thanks for the explianation.:)

[99GrandAMSE]

... yeah, we lost a couple days due to miscommunication on when the board was backed up before the changeover :(