Cheap Supercharger?

[Spinwip]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Pontiac-Grand-Prix-Grand-AM-SuperCharger-Turbo-HP_W0QQitemZ8064355918QQihZ019QQcategoryZ33741QQss PageNameZWD1VQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Supercharger-Turbo-PONTIAC-Grand-Prix-Grand-Am_W0QQitemZ110034111565QQihZ001QQcategoryZ33741QQ ssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Those seem super cheap for a supercharger.. but my question is what else do you need to change when you do get one.. is it necessary for a intercooler?

[RocketFast321]

Please don't waste your money

[Spinwip]

i wont im just asking ( dont know much yet )

[RocketFast321]

To make a long story short

that thing on ebay is pretty much is an electric leaf blower.

[Spinwip]

ok understood but where can i get the real thing at? also what is the diffrence between taht one and a real one

[RocketFast321]

rsmracing.com I think still sells a Vortech Supercharger kit for the 2.4. About $1500-$2000 I belive.

[red98grandamse]

http://www.gaownersclub.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=52012&highlight=electric+supercharger


Will, RSM's kit is more like 3500-4000

[Xeiros]

GM has a kit for about 2k, but you would also need a 2000+ Starter, larger injectors (since the once in the GM kit don't work with your car), and either a Fuel Management Unit or HPTuners.

[Shad0wguy]

My friend actually bought one of those electric superchargers, and claims it added 75HP to his Suzuki Vitara. I LOLed when he said that.

[coupe]

^^Did you correct his stupidity?

[ho bag]

Whats funny is that ive seen videos of a leaf blower on a civic on the dyno and it acutalyl made a big difference!

Are these crap? YES

Do electronic super charges work? YES they acutally do but not these. And boy oh boy do you need some serious electricity to run them!

[Spinwip]

lol, so basically these ones are crap but there are ones out there that do work correcT?

[coupe]

Originally posted by Spinwip
lol, so basically these ones are crap but there are ones out there that do work correcT?


Yes, but your gonna spend countless thousands of dollars on it, most likely spend more than your car is worth.

[Matt95GT]

Originally posted by Spinwip
lol, so basically these ones are crap but there are ones out there that do work correcT?

No, none do. The only exception is this:
http://www.turbomagazine.com/tech/0406tur_knight/
...but that requires a bunch of batteries in the trunk and costs as much/more than a real supercharger/turbo.

[coupe]

Originally posted by Matt95GT
No, none do. The only exception is this:
http://www.turbomagazine.com/tech/0406tur_knight/
...but that requires a bunch of batteries in the trunk and costs as much/more than a real supercharger/turbo.


I dont think he understands the difference between an electric S/C and the real deal.

[Matt95GT]

^But from pics alone, you should be able to see the difference between a plastic boat bilge blower and 3 starter-size motors geared to a root-type supercharger.

[coupe]

Originally posted by Matt95GT
^But from pics alone, you should be able to see the difference between a plastic boat bilge blower and 3 starter-size motors geared to a root-type supercharger.


Key word *should*.

If you dont know how a real super charger works (i really dont think he does) then to see pictures wont help in understanding the difference between the 2.

[MantaGreen97]

Originally posted by coupe
Key word *should*.

LOL yeah. But I do think the pictures should help. Mentioning that there are electric superchargers that work alone, without the pics, is much worse. Because then someone might get the idea that a simple electric fan can somehow compress or pressurise intake air, when it can't.

And that's what we're talking about here--the ability to compress air. A simple leafblower or computer fan can certainly blow air but it can't in any way significantly increase it's pressure. (Actually I'm pretty sure it decreases it's pressure, lol).

In short the eBay wonders are simple fans, the thing Matt linked to is clearly a supercharger. If you can't see the difference there, then you probably deserve to be buying the eBay wonder and looking stupid for it, LOL. Honestly putting a fan in your intake probably takes more power from your alternator than it could ever conceivably create for the engine. And even then the power the fan takes up in unbelieveably tiny compared to the engine's power; so it does nothing for you at all, except maybe block up your intake and make your engine produce less power there too, lol.

Electric superchargers have been used in heavy duty/industrial/commmercial diesel applications, but there again they are actually superchargers, not fans.

[95CombatGA]

ya u need a 2,000 amp alternator to run a elextric Supercharger to make any boost...

[04alyGT]

lol i like the second one, made me giggle a bit
upwards of 43 hp for $156...but this part made me laugh the hardest
"(for the big boys…NOT the polished sissy look)"
anyways, yeah listen to these guys^

[Colin]

New Supercharger BJ9000 deluxe , easy 150 HP increase . Send me all your money now $$$ :lol:

[YEVNTRY]

Originally posted by 95CombatGA
ya u need a 2,000 amp alternator to run a elextric Supercharger to make any boost...

Thats not true. The kits that actually work aren't intended to even be used with an alt. There are batteries independent from the alt in the trunk that power your blower. This way you can get 10-20 runs in before needing a refill. The system really works more like nitrous then a supercharger. All of this information was already posted in this thread. ;)

[Spinwip]

ok, well now i know thx

[Colin]

Originally posted by YEVNTRY
Thats not true. The kits that actually work aren't intended to even be used with an alt. There are batteries independent from the alt in the trunk that power your blower. This way you can get 10-20 runs in before needing a refill. The system really works more like nitrous then a supercharger. All of this information was already posted in this thread. ;) And how much extra weight do all those batterys add to the vehicle ...

[YEVNTRY]

everything is spose to be less than a 100 pounds

[Xeiros]

^^^ I remember reading about those as well. Very interesting stuff. I was somewhat impressed with the extra amount of HP they were getting from them.

[Shad0wguy]

Originally posted by coupe
^^Did you correct his stupidity?

Yeah, I did. But he still insisted it works. His loss.

[TA^Guy]

Originally posted by YEVNTRY
Thats not true. The kits that actually work aren't intended to even be used with an alt. There are batteries independent from the alt in the trunk that power your blower. This way you can get 10-20 runs in before needing a refill. The system really works more like nitrous then a supercharger. All of this information was already posted in this thread. ;)
Yeah nothing like adding another 200lbs to your car. :)

So it 'works like nitrous', but is heavier, more expensive, and takes longer to refill....

Where do I sign up? :gay:
Originally posted by YEVNTRY
everything is spose to be less than a 100 pounds 3 batteries alone will weigh 100lbs.

[urweak]

Originally posted by Spinwip
ok understood but where can i get the real thing at? also what is the diffrence between taht one and a real one

A true supercharger compresses the air. These things are just fans, they push the air.

[YEVNTRY]

Originally posted by TA^Guy
Yeah nothing like adding another 200lbs to your car. :)

So it 'works like nitrous', but is heavier, more expensive, and takes longer to refill....

Where do I sign up? :gay:
3 batteries alone will weigh 100lbs.

they are not normal bats. The set up they used with 6 bats supposedly weighed less then your average turbo set up. I don't beleive they gave an exact weight though. The comment about longer to refill is kinda negligable because its an entirely different process. Plugging it in before you go to bed isn't really that big of a deal and the price difference is something to get excited about. The set up def isn't for everybody, but owning somebody with an electric supercharger would be one of the best feelings you could get....in an ironic way of course. :D

[VanishingImage]

a good rule to go buy is, if theres a lot of speculation on whether it really works or not,its a good chance its not worth it,stick with the PROVEN power adder.

[YEVNTRY]

ya, but nothing happens when everybody just follows the curve. Technology and taking risks is what the sport compact community is all about.

[RocketMan]

Guys we've been through this...

Try to be fair in separating fact from fiction.

Electric Superchargers work. Ebay fans and fan variants do not. A centrifugal blower like that found in a leaf blower can produce measurable boost for vehicles with modest air requirements and more for smaller engines.

It is certainly a power and money equivalent to a cold air intake to say the least.

It does not have to weight thousands of pounds and 1 extra battery is good enough for several minutes of unintrupted flow.

Anything that uses less than a kilowatt of power is pretty much doomed from the start and if its a linear fan forget about it but there are blower designs (however 'budget' they may seem to be) that will increase horsepower and torque but you'll likely have to build it yourself to know you're getting something that actually works.

Don't forget that at the top end you don't even need to produce boost at all. If you can simply maintain the mass air flow into the higher RPM's you can get more HP by virtue of the RPM's alone.

[urweak]

Originally posted by YEVNTRY
ya, but nothing happens when everybody just follows the curve. Technology and taking risks is what the sport compact community is all about.

And someone did that, and turns out you would be better of using nitrous

[YEVNTRY]

I do use nitrous, so I know a thing or two about it :D . the e blower has a whole new coolness factor tho. I don't expect you to agree with me, but I think it would be hilarious to pop the hood and show off my e blower. Who would expect that to work???

[TA^Guy]

Originally posted by RocketMan
It does not have to weight thousands of pounds and 1 extra battery is good enough for several minutes of unintrupted flow.

Yes because several minutes is all it's going to take for it to get down the track.

I want a little more than a few minutes of fun when it comes to the performance of my vehicle, especially at that price. I'd like to feel it there from every stop light even if I'm on my way to work and never even floor it.

And if I wanted something for a quick boost of performance Nitrous would be a much better solution. Easily tunable, refilling a bottle is quicker than charging a battery, and it's inital price is cheeper.

[RocketMan]

I want a little more than a few minutes of fun when it comes to the performance of my vehicle, especially at that price.

How many minutes? You can get 30 mins easy from a regular car battery. I calculated this based on a 1.4 kW draw.

As far as price goes....considering the high HP benefits of nitrous I'm inclined to agree with you. However in the long run electricity is cheaper than nitrous refills.

I'd like to feel it there from every stop light even if I'm on my way to work and never even floor it.

That's perfectly fair. Then its not the solution for you. You'd enjoy something more potent and sustained.

And if I wanted something for a quick boost of performance Nitrous would be a much better solution. Easily tunable, refilling a bottle is quicker than charging a battery, and it's inital price is cheeper.

I wouldn't say its better from a convenience standpoint. Anything electrical has an advantage over things with moving parts or expendable media. Granted the blower motor and fan constitute moving parts but the electrical system is quite versitile, easy to use when installed, has a low probability of failure and is safe.