My Pontiac Grand AM SE! (American Pride)

[Dj_mod_SE2000]

I stongly belive in buying american! something about sending my Hard Earned MONEY Overseas just doesnt sit well with me!!! ;-)

I'll upload a few other pics. cant seem to figure out how to upload more than i pic for this poll..

[Dj_mod_SE2000]

My Pontiac Grand AM SE! (American Pride)
pic 2

[cweaver06]

good lookin' car. LOVE the color:D

[Dj_mod_SE2000]

pic 3 engine bay

[DSMMAN]

I like it man. Nice ride.

[-grandamfan99-]

Go to www.photobucket.com register there and upload as many pics as you want by copy and pasting on your post.... btw Love the color of the car, and the upgrades.... American built FTW!!!! :usa:

[Big Joe]

Not liking the rims and tires or the bug deflector, but everything eles seems fine.

[Dj_mod_SE2000]

Last Pic.

Thank You for polling & looking.. Thanks for the honest and uplifting opinons... this is still a work in progress..

[ManktheTank19]

Originally posted by Big Joe
Not liking the rims and tires or the bug deflector, but everything eles seems fine.

x2

[kody]

That is one beautiful car, I have the bug deflector as well and like the look. I always wondered what the white lettering would look like on a GA and it looks great, guess I'll have that on my next set of tires.

[Shad0wguy]

I really like the color.

I would have given an A+, but I saw the painted drums in the back. That lost you some critical points.

[XoticGA]

Funny, Levey has the same car.. different color.. even down to the rims :lol:

Looks good

[insane4speed]

i noticed u have exhaust on ure car and if so what brand

[ga5speed02]

im lovin the color :) looks good. im not sure aboot the rims and tires tho, but if you like hey, thats all that matters

[pyro]

looks good, but like the others said, the bugflectors, rims and PAINTED DRUMS!! gahh, weve all been there dont worry...but why did you put your rotors on backwards??

[RocketFast321]

bigger rims, like the letter tires
Like the bug thing (I got one)
But the drums.

[wiseojelly]

Like the color! Reminds me of a xmas tree.

[slowbird]

Car looks good.

I'm not a big fan of painting the Drums though.

Originally posted by pyro
but why did you put your rotors on backwards??

wondering the same.

[tenspeed]

I like painted drums if they're black.

Everything else looks good.

[slowbird]

Originally posted by tenspeed
I like painted drums if they're black.


I stand corrected. :D

I should have said: "I don't agree with painting the drums so they are more noticable."

Advertising the fact that you have rear drums seems silly to me.

[coupe]

D

You do know that most so called american cars are designed, produced and assembled in other country's right?

[RazorDX]

I think quite a few are assembled in America, but all of the parts come from other countries. I haven't done any research whatsoever though.

I know alot of people got pissed off when Nascar was talking of running Toyota cars, but they are just as American as Ford or Chevy now.

[slowbird]

There's a Toyota Plant opening in Woodstock, Ontario.

[Rayz]

Originally posted by tenspeed
I like painted drums if they're black.

Everything else looks good.

2 x :agree:

[TA^Guy]

Originally posted by Dj_mod_SE2000
I stongly belive in buying american! something about sending my Hard Earned MONEY Overseas just doesnt sit well with me!!! ;-)
Well you should have bought a Dodge or Ford then. For Chrysler and Dodge are 78% made in america, GM about 74%.

Just to show how 'American' some imports are, Honda/Acura are 59% american built, and Toyota/Lexus are 47%.


BTW, nice SE,

[echoicse]

I like the metallic green,really looks good! Also nice shot of your GrandAm with all the green foliage behind her,fits in real well with the color of your car!

[Dj_mod_SE2000]

(good lookin' car. LOVE the color)
This is the only color Green I've ever owned or loved, I wish i had the color code!! it's missing
(Go to www.photobucket.com)
Thank you
(Not liking the rims and tires or the bug deflector,)
Dont like 15''? I dont like cooper anymore, I had to avoid an old woman and inorder to keep from hitting her in the side, i had to do some quick steering. ended up sliding around her and it busted belt on both passenger side tires.!! now i have goodyear H2..
(but I saw the painted drums in the back. That lost you some critical points.)
since so many of you dont seem to like the color, I'm going to paint the black and see whar that looks like, i just had the paint "because of the calipers" and thought i would goahead and paint the drums aswell. you think they look bad now, you should see them stoc, i'll post a pick.
(Funny, Levey has the same car.. different color.. even down to the rims)
are there any pics of it here?? this is a good thing right??
(i noticed u have exhaust on your car and if so what brand)
2.5'' flowmaster, I'm going to modify it a bit a.s.a.p. i'm going to short'n it a bit ;-)
(why did you put your rotors on backwards??)
backwards?? are you sure?? actually, my mechanic did this while i was at work, i have a very limited tool supply.. is this really true??? thier backwards?? really??????????
(most so called american cars are designed, produced and assembled in other country's right?)
"Pontiac,GM?" FORD? CHEVY?? DODGE??
NO WAY! I DONT BELIEVE IT FOR A SECOND!! that would kindof make the term "american cars" a lie!!!
(I think quite a few are assembled in America, but all of the parts come from other countries. I haven't done any research whatsoever though.) then why would you say THAT!!

(I know alot of people got pissed off when Nascar was talking of running Toyota cars, but they are just as American as Ford or Chevy now.)
I DISAGREE!! Toyota crap, is crap i'm not sending my american money overseas to support them and there way of life!!! i'm american and i drive american!! if toyota wants to compete in nascar, so be it. but i also think they should be the mechanics and driver in it... you couldnt pay me ANY AMOUNT OF MONEY to drive it or work on it for them!!! i wont support them in any way!!! shape or form!!!!
(Just to show how 'American' some imports are, Honda/Acura are 59% american built, and Toyota/Lexus are 47%.)
THEY MIGHT BE "ASSEMBLED HERE"but the profit goes to tokyo in a pocket of some goof names wackalot jin tofoo!!
(I like the metallic green,really looks good! Also nice shot of your GrandAm with all the green foliage behind her,fits in real well with the color of your car!)
Thank You! Its the only Good pic i have right now, i work too much (55+ hrs a week.)

Really, Thank You ALL for your positive Comments, Criticisms. ;-) i really do appreciate it!! I plan on keeping this baby and really beefing her up, I'm worrying alittle about the front wheel drive part though, i'm used to the slicks on the back, doesnt make much sence of them being on the front?? does it?? is this car worhty of BEEFING UP?? MOTOE WISE???
i LOOK FORWARD TO READING YOUR ALL'S Comments...

thank you again for your time!!.

Doug M. Proud American Car Owner,Driver Wanabee mechanic.. ;-)

[ancona46]

looks like your rotors are on backwards from the pic

[honda-sux]

guys c'mon lets just leave macro economics and global system theory out of this section and put them back in my textbook. I personally don't like imports because I can't relate to their styling trends. Bottom line I buy domestic cause they're cheap to buy and maintain.

[echoicse]

DJ, I understand other people's opinion on bra's and bug deflectors on the hood but to me I don't mind them at all. Bra's and (plastic) bug deflectors have a purpose-TO PROTECT THE FRONT OF THE HOOD FROM ROAD DEBRIS!! I have a black SE and had to have hood and rear of car repaired/painted-I was in a rear ended accident from Oct. snow in Western N.Y.,four cars involved. Paint job was great...so I'm thinking of protecting the hood w/bug deflector or bra(what you really can't use year round),and seeing it on your GrandAm it doesn't look bad at all!

[urweak]

Originally posted by echoicse
DJ, I understand other people's opinion on bra's and bug deflectors on the hood but to me I don't mind them at all. Bra's and (plastic) bug deflectors have a purpose-TO PROTECT THE FRONT OF THE HOOD FROM ROAD DEBRIS!! I have a black SE and had to have hood and rear of car repaired/painted-I was in a rear ended accident from Oct. snow in Western N.Y.,four cars involved. Paint job was great...so I'm thinking of protecting the hood w/bug deflector or bra(what you really can't use year round),and seeing it on your GrandAm it doesn't look bad at all!

Car bras CAUSE damage to the paint. If they are not removed WEEKLY to be cleaned, then dirt builds up under there and as the bra moves scratches the paint. Also it oxidizes the paint 100% faster then paint without a bra. Bug deflectors are also unsightly, and only protect a small area of the hood. Id rather have a few stone chips then an ugly bug deflector on my hood.

[urweak]

Originally posted by Dj_mod_SE2000
THEY MIGHT BE "ASSEMBLED HERE"but the profit goes to tokyo in a pocket of some goof names wackalot jin tofoo!!

No, all the companies have American bases. Not to mention all those jobs these compainies provide. So if you think that all the profit from these companies goes to japan then you are extremly misguided. Lets consider Honda for a minute, they have a network of dealerships that employee people, then the network of people who supply those dealerships with verious things (office supplies, car parts, even the cars themselves) Then look at the plants they build these cars in, thats even more jobs, then look at the North American branch of Honda, even more jobs there, and all these places have other places that they get things from creating more jobs and so on down the line. Just think if Honda North America moved everything overseas tomorrow, there would be millions of jobs lost all over the country. Im sure that would put a hurting on the economy.

[echoicse]

Originally posted by urweak
Car bras CAUSE damage to the paint. If they are not removed WEEKLY to be cleaned, then dirt builds up under there and as the bra moves scratches the paint. Also it oxidizes the paint 100% faster then paint without a bra. Bug deflectors are also unsightly, and only protect a small area of the hood. Id rather have a few stone chips then an ugly bug deflector on my hood.

I know what your saying about bra's,it happened to me w/Cavalier-I went thru a rain storm on a trip and sun came out,and it got real hot. By the time I could stop and look under the bra I had a new colored hood under the bra! But like I wrote before I also "respect" other people's opinion...still going to think about bug deflector.:D

[tenspeed]

Rotors - Not all rotors are the same. Some have the slots to the rear, some to the front. Depends on the brand. They should have the direction or side on the outer lip with part number and minimum thickness.

Bra's - I have a "Le Bra" with the white felt/cotton liner. I've used it for a couple of winters with no noticeable paint damage. I guess not all car bra's are the same either.

[RickHigginsHtbr]

Originally posted by pyro
looks good, but like the others said, the bugflectors, rims and PAINTED DRUMS!! gahh, weve all been there dont worry...but why did you put your rotors on backwards??

X2, although at first glance i didnt notice any of it.

[Rayz]

Originally posted by tenspeed
Bra's - I have a "Le Bra" with the white felt/cotton liner. I've used it for a couple of winters with no noticeable paint damage. I guess not all car bra's are the same either.
Oh it's for your car I though it was for when you dressed up :D

[Nighthawk243]

Depends on the bra you use for your car, one from walmart is probably not going to do well... You want the more expensive ones... preferably from Victoria Secret. :lol:

[Dj_mod_SE2000]

(looks like your rotors are on backwards from the pic)
There labled (L) & (R) sitting in driver seat is how its supposed to be right?? L=Driver Side & R=pasenger side?

(Bottom line I buy domestic cause they're cheap to buy and maintain.


__________________
rice is not for Detroit,

What's the deal with stick-on scoops, and spining hub caps??)

i couldnt agree more!! Amen Brother! ;-)

(DJ, I understand other people's opinion on bra's and bug deflectors on the hood but to me I don't mind them at all. Bra's and (plastic) bug deflectors have a purpose-TO PROTECT THE FRONT OF THE HOOD FROM ROAD DEBRIS!! seeing it on your GrandAm it doesn't look bad at all!)

Thank you! l like it!! you can REALLY SEE the dynamics VERY WELL when its Snowing! No Chips, no Paint damage! anyware around it. When i bought the car acouple years ago it already had the bug deflector on. the only way i will take it off is i had a nice carbon hood, and even then i would probebly put it on and see what it looked like.. lol

(No, all the companies have American bases. Not to mention all those jobs these compainies provide. So if you think that all the profit from these companies goes to japan then you are extremly misguided.)

I dont think sooo, sure, after they pay the overhead, the rest of the profit goes overseas into their pocket.
and if they where not here!! then ford, or gm or even maybe chevy would have a higher DEMAND and the would build more factories! and in turn KEEP OUR MONEY HERE IN THE GOOD OLD U.S.A. and employ Americans to build american.

Lets consider Honda for a minute, they have a network of dealerships that employee people, then the network of people who supply those dealerships with verious things (office supplies, car parts, even the cars themselves) Then look at the plants they build these cars in, thats even more jobs, then look at the North American branch of Honda, even more jobs there, and all these places have other places that they get things from creating more jobs and so on down the line.

i think i answered this one already, buy american, pay american employ american, support american LOVE AMERICA.

Just think if Honda North America moved everything overseas tomorrow, there would be millions of jobs lost all over the country. Im sure that would put a hurting on the economy.)

NAH NOT REALLY not if they would hurry up and do it, but if they keep coming it would...if they left now, it would be a blessing, sure it would hurt alittle for a very short time, but if all those jap craps and there cars where gone, the american need, jobs would be supplyed by american supply and demand and american companys would florish, besides i dont know about you, but the idea of all of the foreign companys keep moving here and selling there crap to everyone, sounds scarry, the american companys shrink and wither away or have to out source. what does that do to us as a whole?? It qripples us. makes us dependent and i blame the US Government for that. KEEP AMERICAN JOBS IN AMERICA, GIVE AMERICAN INCINTIVES TO STAY HERE!!
Do you remember what we done to those people in WWII??? i bet they havent forgoten EITHER or forgiven us for it!!!
would you??!!!
just look at the toyota tundra commercial,logo! looks like a topped off mushroom cloud to me!!
no thanks! i'll stick with good old american technology!! I'll pay americans to fix my american sh!t and smile the whole time too and from the american bank!!;-)

Dont get me wrong! I like china dolls, i love godzilla i even think some of thier customs are cool and i wasnt in WWII, but they treat thier own people like SH!T and dont try to tell me they dont hold a grudge. I would!!

Sorry didnt mean to get started.... i thought about this for a long time and for the way things are going now!! we are going to get bit in the, you know where!!! in our life time ill bet!!

Back to the good old PONTIAC that know has a rear mail seal leaking! GOD i LOVE AMERICA!! and i truly mean it, i'll have it fixed!! and i'll Fight for HER!! my car and family too!!!

Did i mention i love my bug deflector too?? LMAO

My rims??? come on! they are (American Racing) 15'' CHROME SNIPERS ($) need i say more??
sure, there 15'' like i said before, i'm old school, i like rubber not all rims, besides hit one of those american holes in that american road you all drive on and see what that does to your 1'' sidewall 18'' rim? LOL mine will be ok..
(?)

[1CoopGT03]

Nice looking car . Yup your rotors are on backwards .

[1CoopGT03]

Easy to fix .

[bandit307]

D

Sorry just not feeling it. Dont like the bug deflector or vent visors. The painted callipers and drums just scream look at me and dont flow with any other color on the car. I personally not a huge fan of the rim design chosen. Also not a huge fan of white lettering on the tires. (more if a truck thing IMO)

[echoicse]

Since were talking (writting) about American vs. Asian,how many "American" auto companies have manufacturing plants over their???? WHY IS THAT????? They might provide jobs over here in America,so why do the foreign auto plants RESIST allowing their American auto workers to "Unionize"? You can tell me blah-blah and other b.s. I don't have to worry if the supervisor gets pissed off at me for some stupid reason and fires me...what do I do now(says that auto worker)...I have a family to provide for...NOBODY TO FIGHT FOR ME!!!(says that auto worker) I'm a G.M. U.A.W. American Auto Worker-G.M.,and Proud Of That! I WANT SOMEBODY TO FIGHT FOR MY FUTURE! Can they say that??? You really believe that notion that those "profits" that Toyota,Honda,Nissan,etc. stays in America! B.S. MAN,WAKE UP !!!! All American jobs are at stake now!!!! Read the paper,how many jobs have been lost forever because of outsourcing,wages that everyone can live on. Unions,not our gov't., fought for wages people can live on,can those jobs that went overseas,can those people say that! WHOM IS GETTING RICHER, NOT US,WHERE IS THE MIDDLE CLASS GOING TOO? So,everyone out their who has bought a "true" American automobile or truck,I THANK-YOU !!! Echoise.

[ancona46]

your rotors if they are from r1concepts should go like this

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c292/ancona46/My%20Car/june06052.jpg
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c292/ancona46/My%20Car/june06051.jpg

[Dj_mod_SE2000]

echoicse

Please dont misunderstand me, im not againt asians! per say
what im against is them running all the american companys out to outsourcing to other countrys just to survive.. also.. im with you on the unions, i wish i could join one, the only one i ever belonged to done us no good, the plant closed, so i lost my job, the best job i ever had to date!!

(profits" that Toyota,Honda,Nissan,etc. stays in America! B.S. MAN,WAKE UP !!!!)

i am awake, i also know how business work, the person,people that hold that company recieve profit!! do your home work, if they didnt recieve profit, what would be the point??

I'll be looking into my rotor instalation, thank you all for your imput!!

Dj

[coupe]

Im anti-union personaly.

[coupe]

Originally posted by echoicse
Since were talking (writting) about American vs. Asian,how many "American" auto companies have manufacturing plants over their???? WHY IS THAT????? They might provide jobs over here in America,so why do the foreign auto plants RESIST allowing their American auto workers to "Unionize"? You can tell me blah-blah and other b.s. I don't have to worry if the supervisor gets pissed off at me for some stupid reason and fires me...what do I do now(says that auto worker)...I have a family to provide for...NOBODY TO FIGHT FOR ME!!!(says that auto worker) I'm a G.M. U.A.W. American Auto Worker-G.M.,and Proud Of That! I WANT SOMEBODY TO FIGHT FOR MY FUTURE! Can they say that??? You really believe that notion that those "profits" that Toyota,Honda,Nissan,etc. stays in America! B.S. MAN,WAKE UP !!!! All American jobs are at stake now!!!! Read the paper,how many jobs have been lost forever because of outsourcing,wages that everyone can live on. Unions,not our gov't., fought for wages people can live on,can those jobs that went overseas,can those people say that! WHOM IS GETTING RICHER, NOT US,WHERE IS THE MIDDLE CLASS GOING TOO? So,everyone out their who has bought a "true" American automobile or truck,I THANK-YOU !!! Echoise.

I dont see what union has to do with anything.

[TA^Guy]

I used to work for an american company that built locomotives. The project I was working on however was for Melco, a copany owned by Mitsubishi. Yes, every now and then some big wigs from Japan would be strolling the plant and over looking our work. However their stride for prefection is far greater than other American companies we built stuff for under the same building. Since I was in the paint department I can only comment on that part of the build. But inspection on every unit was done before it move on to the rest of assembally. And inspection could be a pain in the butt. Paint depth had to be with in a 0.01 tolerence, paint adhiresion test were made to every unit, no drips or runs were allowed on final coat, heavy orange peel was unacceptable. And all this for a large inverter box that is going to be under a passenger car where the only person who may ever see it is someone servicing it. And even then they will mostly only see the access panels.

Japanese bussiness may not support the US as much as we support them, however it's not a one way street like you would like to believe. They do give alot of american jobs here on our own soil. But giving americans jobs, lowering unemployment and welfare isn't good enough for you. You want to dictate where their money they personally earned goes or where it's spent. Well truth be it told, they also spend a great deal here in this county. So yes, it's not just all going into a overseas bank account.

BTW, very few american cars are popular or even sold in Japan. Why? Not because they won't let us because they don't want to share their wealth or trying to hold us down. It's because their goverment restrictions on automobiles is far greater than even the CARB laws in California. Did you know over seas soma asian countries have a 500cc limit on street driven motorcycles. They can't even sell what they make in their own regions. However should I blame them for making some of the best motorcycles on the market?

I tell you what, once there becomes an american company that can build a motorcycle to match the performance, reliability and value of my Japanese bike I'll buy it. But that will never happen so it's not even worth thinking about.

Originally posted by coupe
Im anti-union personaly.
Me too. My father used to be the president for a local union for decades so I've seen it all. Most of the time the only people who take avantage of a workers union are people that don't deserve to have the job in the first place.


Originally posted by echoicse
So,everyone out their who has bought a "true" American automobile or truck,I THANK-YOU !!! Echoise.
Incase you missed my first post, there is no such thing as a "True American" vehicle anymore.

I'm going to guess you also would never purchase a Camaro of Firebird? I mean they were built in Canada and many of the engines (or atleast the better ones) were casted in Mexico.

[honda-sux]

let me end this little rant!! and for the future let's just focus on the rides...

The Importance that economic factors play in political and social development can be illustrated through the capitalist world system theory. This theory holds that, the notion that most states are sovereign entities is outdated one. States should be regarded as contributors to the maintenance of the global capitalists hierarchy, the main features that vary from state to state is the specialized responsibility that contributes to the strength of the capitalist structure.In short the US established the Liberal capitalist system where it encourages corporate competition to maximize gap between rich and poor. The goal for liberal international politics is to maximize capital with the lowest amount of exertion possible. so it's not an issue of nations It's the system that the US made that is ultimately screwing that country, but that rich will remain rich cause they have no allegence to a flag. we just buy in to that notion....Next topic plz...

[blackgt2k]

not liking the rims, red brake drums (to loud), raised whites on tires, bug deflector. love the color, maybe if you turned around and went with a darker theme so that certain parts didnt stick out as much, it would look better. personally on a dark green car like that, id do the calipers and drums in a gloss black and silver bracket theme. rims wouldnt be as bad, though have them switch to the other side if the tire so the raised whites arent showing.....that along with the red to me is 2 loud....especailly on a dark green car....just my 2 cents....

[urweak]

Originally posted by Dj_mod_SE2000
I DISAGREE!! Toyota crap, is crap i'm not sending my american money overseas to support them and there way of life!!! i'm american and i drive american!! if toyota wants to compete in nascar, so be it. but i also think they should be the mechanics and driver in it... you couldnt pay me ANY AMOUNT OF MONEY to drive it or work on it for them!!! i wont support them in any way!!! shape or form!!!!

The Toyota Camry has 75% American made parts content not to mention it is built in Kentucky. A car with 75% parts content from the US is considered an American car by the US government. No other American sedan in NASCAR has that much of the car made in this country. Ford and GM only have a 73% and DC has only 72%. So why wouldnt you support a an american built car over an import?

Originally posted by Dj_mod_SE2000
THEY MIGHT BE "ASSEMBLED HERE"but the profit goes to tokyo in a pocket of some goof names wackalot jin tofoo!!


All these companies are publicly traded on the stock market. Therefore, anyone who owns stock in these companies gets the profit. So no, the profit does not go to Tokyo, it goes all over the world to whomever owns stock, and receives this money in the way of dividends.

You really need to wake up and learn how the world works, and how business's work before you go off shouting asinine comments like these.

[coupe]

Originally posted by urweak
You really need to wake up and learn how the world works, and how business's work before you go off shouting asinine comments like these.

X2, what a moron

[99GrandAMSE]

Back on topic please!