V8 Alero Build

[A57]

OK here some pic's for what ive started and should have installed
in the week or so..

[A57]

see pic

[A57]

another look..

This pic was before i put on the brakes..

i need to mod a few thing's and i'll get pic for u asap.

[99blackSE]

What cutting up have ya done so far?

Looks fun for sure! Keep us updated!

[A57]

rear end area is cut up...

[Nighthawk243]

I wonder if you can get an SC/T style hood for that bad-boy after its done. ;).

[DomestikDemon]

Yea, if you buy the header panel, fenders, bumper, and headlights from a GA, theres prolly other crap too, but Im not much of a body work type person.

[A57]

Yea have to make a custom hood.

[Pte Socks]

im not gonna ask. What gears you runnin back there?

[A57]

3.45

[A57]

Updated pix...

Rear end in..

[Nighthawk243]

looks good so far, keep us updated.

[01_grandam]

Thats one bada$$ project ya got there! Can't wait to see it finished.

[A57]

Yes all i will keep posting pics of the build.

[Pinnacle]

more more more :)

[A57]

:D

[01_grandam]

What kind of motor is going in it?

[A57]

Originally posted by 01_grandam
What kind of motor is going in it?

Either a TPI 350 or LT1 and if possible LS1.

IT all depends on $$ and when i get my motor and trans sold too.

[Patchez]

If you can make it happen, go LS1. Man, that's one hell of a project you have there, you got balls!

[01_grandam]

For sure LS1! My brother has a LS1 camaro thats got a big cam and nitrous with a few other little bolt ons and it is a damn rocket.

[RazorDX]

That looks like a wicked project. I can't wait to see the pics!

[Zero]

I wish i could that. GOOD LUCK and hope everything goes well. When you are done can I ride it. LOL :D :D

[Nighthawk243]

Any update?

[A57]

Originally posted by Nighthawk243
Any update?

Funny you ask.... Well right now i'm getting tool's to remove my motor and trans in a couple weeks when I am on Vacation...

I will be taking pics... And will post asap...

[99GrandAMSE]

Cool :)

[oldassz]

sheesh sleeper!

[ChevelleSSLS6]

it's the 1999 Olds 442 GM should have built.

400 horses
4 speed
dual exhuast

muahahahahahaha!

[95whitese]

OMG that is one hell of a beast. I always pondered whether it was possible or not. I am glad I at least get a glimspe of what my future plan would look like. Kepp up the good work man, and if you put an ls1 in it, you put install some wheelie bars on the back man because you are going to fly.

[Pinnacle]

People will NEVER expect a V8 in an Alero, you will win many race of the red light :)

[Nighthawk243]

Originally posted by Pinnacle
People will NEVER expect a V8 in an Alero, you will win many race of the red light :)

Hell... an Oldsmobile is something most people would expect to be a pushover.

[95whitese]

Yep I was also thinking that, in fact you are probably better off putting the V-8 in the alero because of that. I had a chance of a lifetime to buy a sleeper caprice that was throwing out easily 325 hp. I think this one will be better because of the small siza and weight of the car. It kinda reminds me of the '75 Trans Ams with that huge SD-455 in it.

[BlackJack]

thread Jesus strikes again:

did this guy ever finish the project?

[trogdorpontiac]

i'm jealous, i wish i had the skillz required to do something like that.

[infernus]

Why not stick with the independent suspension in the rear? Going back to a solid axle will completely change the handling characteristics.

[TA^Guy]

Why not stick with the independent suspension in the rear? Going back to a solid axle will completely change the handling characteristics.
A solid axle is much stronger and can handle much more abuse, especially when you throw sticky tires into the mix.

[djdanger]

A solid axle is much stronger and can handle much more abuse, especially when you throw sticky tires into the mix.


Not too mention who cares about the handling on a car, that is designed to go fast in a straight line....:D

[Big Joe]

Not too mention who cares about the handling on a car, that is designed to go fast in a straight line....:D

:agree:

[Deggy Fresh]

one word LS1

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z6/deggyfresh/226954-1.jpg

[djdanger]

one word LS1

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z6/deggyfresh/226954-1.jpg

D-Zammmmmm

[TA^Guy]

Not too mention who cares about the handling on a car, that is designed to go fast in a straight line....:D
I'm not sure what the builders plans are for the car, but I can assure anyone that you can make a vehicle with a solid rear axle handle as good as one with IRS. IRS is only a big benifit when going over uneven terrian or encountering bumpers, pothole, etc while cornering. Otherwise with the proper chassis setup, a solid axle is guaranteed to atleast keep both tires flat to road and parallel with each other.

[Korbendallas68]

Holy shit this rocks. We got a DO-er and not a TALKER on a V8 swap!

This looks to be a very sweet project. Can't wait to see more progress!

[BlackJack]

Holy shit this rocks. We got a DO-er and not a TALKER on a V8 swap!

I would have thought the same thing, but since the latest updates from the project owner is from back in what...january or february? Haven't heard a peep since.

[Korbendallas68]

Hmm. True. But since he's done as much as installing the rear-end, there may be hope.

[Nighthawk243]

He's probably working on the car too much to get on the forums....

[A57]

Hello guys,

Funny thing today that i have to deal with...

that fact that some do not belive that i am swapping my alero into a V8..

[Nighthawk243]

We were wondering what was going on with that project.

[A57]

more pix

http://www.cardomain.com/ride/214200/14

copy a see...

[A57]

Its still going...granted is slow, but i hve to sell a few thing like my 3400 and trans. to make room 4 my 350tpi...

Some duche bag over at gagt closed my new threat and well there lost..

[GtAudioFreak]

Thats crappy of them over there. how many miles is on your 3400

[TA^Guy]

Hello guys,

Funny thing today that i have to deal with...

that fact that some do not belive that i am swapping my alero into a V8..
Is that a cup for rear springs or airbag?

[Korbendallas68]

Some duche bag over at gagt closed my new threat and well there lost..

Isn't that 95% of them? :lol:

Good to see some updates on this. Looking forward to more!

[A57]

The spring pocket can be made for air or spring..in my case i'm doing spring..

"Thats crappy of them over there. how many miles is on your 3400"

i have 72k on the motor and about 15 k on a remand gm tranny...

[TA^Guy]

What springs do you plan on using?

Is that a Fbody rear axle?

[lightningGA]

can't wait to see more Will :D

[A57]

[QUOTE=TA^Guy;1135328]What springs do you plan on using?

Is that a Fbody rear axle?


DING DING DING !!!! we have a winner!!! good eye...

TA, with all the stuff i have to sell and build at the sametime...It's crazy!

OK guys, to fresh sorry to cut u a new one in my 4 sale threat.. but i'm not a scammer, ask lighting ga he know's me...From AEDcentral.

all i'm trying to do is REP AED and the n-body as a whole..
my V8 alero is take much longer than i wanted to. $$ is tight for me and i hoping to sell what i dont need to fund my car...

the stuff is all ur gains.. if you need it.

thanks for all you support..

Will AKA A57 Aleromi:D

[TA^Guy]

What can I say, I've owned 6 Fbodies, and 4 where 3rd Gens. Even did a couple 3rd Gen axle swaps. lol

You plan on ussing Fbody springs too? If so from year/model?

[A57]

What can I say, I've owned 6 Fbodies, and 4 where 3rd Gens. Even did a couple 3rd Gen axle swaps. lol

You plan on ussing Fbody springs too? If so from year/model?



a 82-88 rear end 9bolt stock spring (cut for ride height)...

i rocz ...

:D

[TA^Guy]

Are you going to run it as a Two link with a Panrod bar?

Are you reusing the torque bar from the Camaro as well?

[A57]

Are you going to run it as a Two link with a Panrod bar?

Are you reusing the torque bar from the Camaro as well?


Yes i am.. have the panrod and torque arm as well..

Basic i'm using the drive train from the camaro..that what fit under the n-body cars.. AED is sell a kit now with all the HOT stuff to make this really nice , but right now i'm just doing stock or a bit better if $$ allows...:)

[TA^Guy]

Sounds good, you could also checkout SuicideDoors.com for some of their 3 and 4 link parts. I was going to suggest the 3 link wishbone if you weren't planning on running the factory torque arm. Their wish bone bolts around the inspection cover and all you'd need to do is make a nice ridged mount for the center of it.

Check out Spohn.net for some killer suspension parts. IMO they are some of the best, especially for 3rd generation Fbodies. This guy was on of the first to start converting 4th gen parts to a 3rd gen chassis. They have a very nice adjustable torque arm that might help reduce some wheel hop you may get.

BTW, when setting up that axle make sure you check your pinon angle.

[ChevelleSSLS6]

www.hotrodders.com has loads of info on suspension theory and design, I normally go there for technical help. The factory torque arms... if they are what I think they are (run parallel to wheelbase, from brake/suspension parts to the unibody about 2 feet forward of the axle... I'd box those in by welding some steel to the open end and they'll be a lot stronger without spending a lot of $$.

[TA^Guy]

Can't box them in, they aren't a "C" shape. They aren't flat either, hard to explain. However you can box in the trailing arms.

[A57]

Yep got it coverd have a angle finder..

Yep i know they alot of trick stuff ......

thanks for the tip...

as for wheel hopping there is none...

the G57 AKA Bettyrace doesnt do that at all...

ck out utube and see the vid of betty burn out.

that has all stock rear end parts... from 87 irocz.

[A57]

Can't box them in, they aren't a "C" shape. They aren't flat either, hard to explain. However you can box in the trailing arms.

i think he meaning running a flat piece stock steel on the flat side of teh link arms.

[A57]

www.hotrodders.com has loads of info on suspension theory and design, I normally go there for technical help. The factory torque arms... if they are what I think they are (run parallel to wheelbase, from brake/suspension parts to the unibody about 2 feet forward of the axle... I'd box those in by welding some steel to the open end and they'll be a lot stronger without spending a lot of $$.


Yep i'm a member on that site... alot of info..

I getting to boxing them in, but its really not need ...but i will just 4 the hell of it...20 bucks in steel...and it done...:)

[TA^Guy]

A Burnout won't show wheel hop because it's not hooking up. The torque arm is designed to reduce wheel hop however it still has a decent ammount of play in the end when enough torque is applied with sticky tires. My '92 Z28 had to be checked every so often because of it. The TPI motors may not make a great advertised peak hp as the LT or LS series engines, but the long runners produce a very respectable amount of torque,enough in near stock form (bolt on mods) to twist the roof of a hardtop car where it's noticeable to the eye.

Anothe rsuggestion to anyone else thinking of doing this might be to find a Gbody car with a baby 4 link style rear suspension and use something like that.

[A57]

Yea i know what your getting at,as there can be with a 10 bolt rear end..but the aussi 9 bolts are the sh*t... With the 3.45 posi gear and looking around 350+ foot pound of toqure.. i'm pretty sure there wont be any wheel hop for a street sleeper. I dont think i'll be running some 10.5 slicks just yet...

[89hornet]

screw that, put a northstar in it.

[Crazy83519]

only problem is he is going for a rear wheel drive, and the northstar is a transverse v8

[89hornet]

if he can put a v8 in a alereo than i'm shure he could make it work.

[Nighthawk243]

only problem is he is going for a rear wheel drive, and the northstar is a transverse v8

Plus the Northstar doesn't have as much power as some other V8's of the same price.

[A57]

YEA I COULD...But then what am i going to do with the rear end i have up under it.???

Northstar's are cool but too much of headache...:eek:

[89hornet]

true dat, it would be even cooler if he carbed it, but that would kill gas milage.

[A57]

true dat, it would be even cooler if he carbed it, but that would kill gas milage.

Carb motor get pretty good gas milage if tune right...

that why i'm going with TPI set up and hoping to get 30 on the highway..

:D

[TA^Guy]

Ok, first this guy goes from suggesting a Northstar motor (yuck), to suggesting carburation (double yuck). I have a feeling these are just random thoughts, because neither of those two relate at all. Maybe next he'll suggest a 4 cylinder diesel Izusu motor. lol

[95whitese]

Wow man... I'm impressed. Can't wait to see the finished product.

[89hornet]

Wow your a quick learner, yes those were random thoughts of just different ideas, and yes a northstar and a carburator are to very different things. No a carb is not yuck, if it was yuck then nascar, old cars, and dirt track racers wouldn't use it. Most of the most powerful cars in the world use carburators.

[RazorDX]

screw that, put a northstar in it.

The Northstar is horridly inefficient compared to today's V8 engines. I don't see how it would be worthwhile to try to put a Northstar in longitudinally.

[TA^Guy]

Wow your a quick learner, yes those were random thoughts of just different ideas, and yes a northstar and a carburator are to very different things. No a carb is not yuck, if it was yuck then nascar, old cars, and dirt track racers wouldn't use it. Most of the most powerful cars in the world use carburators.
Hmm that's funny, because some of the most power, and drivable cars ever mass produced are fuel injected, go figure...

Sure carbs have their place, but if someone is going through the trouble to build something unique then why in gods name would they want to kill it with a shade tree caburator setup?

Without going with a tunnel ram setup, I'd love to see a carburated intake manifold with the same length intake runners as a basic TPI plentium.

Fuel Injection > Carburator
The Northstar is horridly inefficient compared to today's V8 engines. I don't see how it would be worthwhile to try to put a Northstar in longitudinally.
Exactally, a Northstar motor was advanced 15 years ago, but today it's a outdated, weak, non-performance engine.

Just because it's a V8 doesn't mean it's worth the time and effort of swapping in. There are many V6 motors on the market that make simular HP numbers.

[89hornet]

well the they were massed produced this way with fuel injection because they were shooting for fuel economy, and something this rare i wouldn't worry to much about fuel economy, and the northstar idea, i wasnt trying to get him to put it in, it was just an idea.

[A57]

Exactally, a Northstar motor was advanced 15 years ago, but today it's a outdated, weak, non-performance engine.

Just because it's a V8 doesn't mean it's worth the time and effort of swapping in. There are many V6 motors on the market that make simular HP numbers.


Yes the northstar engine has it place..in a cadie...sts,dts,fleetwood...Now the new RWD northstar's are alot better..Like the XLR 2dr that's build on a vette like drive train.

Again i'm doing a TPI 350(i hope to find) Vette motor..

[95whitese]

That 350 TPI is a ballsy little motor. My grandma's '88 GTA had a 350 and that car knew how to move. On another note, I would not dis the Northstar. Well yea the 4.9L FWD ones kinda sucked, but the 4.6L puts down 320 HP and the 4.4L is rated at 469HP. They are pretty potent for size. But still I do not want to see it in an n body. I like that 350 TPI because of the torque, and in my opinion fuel injection saved the automotive industry.

[Nighthawk243]

Ok, first this guy goes from suggesting a Northstar motor (yuck), to suggesting carburation (double yuck). I have a feeling these are just random thoughts, because neither of those two relate at all. Maybe next he'll suggest a 4 cylinder diesel Izusu motor. lol

Biodiesel ;).

[TA^Guy]

well the they were massed produced this way with fuel injection because they were shooting for fuel economy, and something this rare i wouldn't worry to much about fuel economy, and the northstar idea, i wasnt trying to get him to put it in, it was just an idea.
Fuel ecconomy and more power. Find me any factory built small block motor that made over 600hp off the assembaly line with a carburator?

How about the Buick Grand National? You do know they made both Grand Nationals and Turbo Buicks with carburated turbocharged 3.8 motors, yet they didn't become the infamous powerhouses until the black years when they introduced sequential fuel injection in 1984. Fuel injection started in production vehicles in the mid 50's, long before they were worried about emissions. Corvettes and BelAirs weren't fuel injected for better fuel ecconomy, they did it for more power via better fuel delivery.

Fuel injection allows better fuel ecconomy because it's more accurate fuel mixture, better atomization, quicker throttle response. It can also self adjust to things like fuel mixture, elevation, air density, air tempatures, humidity, engine knock, and timing without having to tune or adjust anything.

Carburators, to get peak performance you have to adjust it to different elivations, tempatures, adjust jet sizes or accelerator pumps if it's too rich or lean some where in the rpm range, reset the idle, choke it to start it in cold weather, ect.

Hey I like a simple small block with a big carb on it as much as the next guy, but a nice fuel injection system is just so much better.

[ChevelleSSLS6]

Ok, first this guy goes from suggesting a Northstar motor (yuck), to suggesting carburation (double yuck). I have a feeling these are just random thoughts, because neither of those two relate at all. Maybe next he'll suggest a 4 cylinder diesel Izusu motor. lol

They don't even make carb kits for N* engines. They make them for the LS1 engines, and it'd be a cool swap for a classic musclecar. But for something that hits the streets a lot, FI is the way to go. Back on topic, where's my noob paddle?
http://assets.espn.go.com/media/pg2/2002/0103/photo/dazed4_i.jpg

[TA^Guy]

^ He didn't say to carb a Northstar engine. Just that both suggestion were on opposite ends of the spectrum. Besides, if you want to carb ANY motor it can be done. Not like a sheetmetal intake would be all that hard to build.

[AaronGAGT]

you should put in a 4 cylinder diesel Izusu motor

[A57]

you should put in a 4 cylinder diesel Izusu motor


:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

[Greengo 07]

how is this project coming along?

[A57]

how is this project coming along?



Well slow... with things forsale and not really anyone buying the stuff i dont need.. With time ,I hope to sell a few things...I will have more to show in the months comming up...:)

[Greengo 07]

well good luck with all thats coming, really looking forward to seeing how this turns out for you,

[Nighthawk243]

you should put in a 4 cylinder diesel Izusu motor

With the price of gas, that doesn't sound like a bad idea if he converts it to run biodiesel then makes his own fuel. :lol:

[RickHigginsHtbr]

...how did i go a year on here without seeing this thread? Are you selling the 3400 and 4t45e as a whole or by part? Are you running a stock TPI setup? Iron or Alum. heads?