lookin at 20's

[PICC_prez]

ok i plan on baggin my car first but i want to cram 20's on a 97 grand am is it possible without any other mods other then air ride and if so what size tires am i lookin at or offsets for rims

[SE2000]

Why not go Dub +4?

[PontiacGT]

*shakes his head

[PICC_prez]

cuz i know there is no way in hell im gonna fit 24's on a 97 i just want 20's for showin and crusin and i have my stock rims powder coated with some michelle tires for when i race

[Vhrus]

It would look retarded IMO. I saw a pic on here of a gold grand am rolling on 20's and it looked like some sort of freaky clown car, just not good at all. Sometimes more/bigger isnt always better and im pretty sure this would be one of those cases. Like boobs bigger is better to an extent, then regardless of size they just look like shit.

Oh and go look inside your wheel wells, do you think a 20" rim will fit in there (without looking like a monster truck) without modification? Some days im surprised my stock 16" rims and tires fit in there lol.

[SE2000]

225/10-24 should fit on there nicely. If you want wheels for looks, ask what people like. The 20's question has been asked.

It's like putting basketball size implants on a 5' 85 lb woman. Can it be done =yes, do you want to, probally not

[PICC_prez]

Originally posted by Vhrus
It would look retarded IMO. I saw a pic on here of a gold grand am rolling on 20's and it looked like some sort of freaky clown car, just not good at all. Sometimes more/bigger isnt always better and im pretty sure this would be one of those cases. Like boobs bigger is better to an extent, then regardless of size they just look like shit.

Oh and go look inside your wheel wells, do you think a 20" rim will fit in there (without looking like a monster truck) without modification? Some days im surprised my stock 16" rims and tires fit in there lol.

ya i just looked at me spring plate when i was replacing my locked up and melted idler pulley 20's would be a very close fit and i dont think 24's would work and they would look dumb IMO i just want the 20's for show and cruse purpose i think im just gponna find someone around me that has 20's that will fit and try them on and see what she looks like

[SE2000]

Originally posted by PICC_prez
ya i just looked at me spring plate when i was replacing my locked up and melted idler pulley 20's would be a very close fit and i dont think 24's would work and they would look dumb IMO i just want the 20's for show and cruse purpose i think im just gponna find someone around me that has 20's that will fit and try them on and see what she looks like

Since you're going to need tires, you have to take in the combination. A 14" wheel with a tall tire can be the same diameter as a 20"wheel with a very low profile tire. A 225-14 is the same width as a 225-20. Rim width vary along with offset. The wider the wheel, the more critical the offset.

[b2089]

215/40 18s will fit it. Using the formula to compare tire sizes I guess you could use a 215/30 20 too bad they don't make them in that size. I can do the math for you but I have no clue what tire sizes you can find. Does anyone know what available tire is closest to 215/30 20

[SE2000]

225/30-20 is 25.3" so slightly larger than a 205/55-16. But then a 225 will look skinny on that size wheel.

Running too large a wheel is like hooking up with an ugly ho, yeah you can brag you got some but any respect you get will be flushed once they see her. Things without good looks are not worth bragging about.

[b2089]

Originally posted by SE2000
225/30-20 is 25.3" so slightly larger than a 205/55-16. But then a 225 will look skinny on that size wheel.

Running too large a wheel is like hooking up with an ugly ho, yeah you can brag you got some but any respect you get will be flushed once they see her. Things without good looks are not worth bragging about.

While I agree, I'm convinced the OP is going to do it anyway. I hope he can find one that works without damage.

[The Artist]

So let me give you an answer that doesn't come from the common man

You said bags, and you said show, which means this isn't necessarily going to be your dd (or at least I hope not)

20's might not fit, but you are at least going to need to remove your wheel wells altogether and you may even need to roll ure fenders to get the wheel to tuck inside the wheel well. In my sig pic below, i'm running 19's with a 2" drop from intrax to give you an idea. And I can tell you as the car sits right now, there is no way the wheels will fit inside of fender... partly due to the fact that they are made of hi temp epoxy so I can't just go get them rolled, partly due to the overall width (9")

Obviously its going to look a lil funny on the road, but what these guys are not understanding is that from a show perspective, or at any point you are parked, the car is going to be on the ground, tucking said 20's, and it'll look at least ok if not good

my favorite part of this site is how people with stock se's and gt's come on and talk shit to anyone who wants to modify their car in anyway... Just remember folks, you gotta have shit to talk shit :) This guy asked a simple question, and all I see is references to the generic line of "just cause you can, doesn't mean you should"... How about "it's mine and i'll do what I want with it"

Another thing to mention is that you guys are obviously huge law obiding citizens... anyone wanting to do mods like this prolly doesn't care that their speedo is going to be off by a few mph's so lets get that out of the way as well.

Dave, your best bet is to try and find someone with 20's with a 5x100 bolt pattern and slap one on and see what happens. Then from there you can get a better idea as to what you will need to do to get these on there and not damage them or your car. Another thing I will definitely suggest you do is upgrade your brakes... at least better rotors and pads... 20's will have a much larger rolling mass which means its going to take more power to stop them. For about $2500 you can get front 13" and rear 12" disc brakes (rear is a conversion from drum to disk) from wilwood and that will stop you and look really nice coming thru your spokes

find someone with a 20" wheel, put it on, and take a pic :)

[The Artist]

here's a cardomain to a stock gt kit bagged w/ 18's

http://www.cardomain.com/ride/220484

i know its only 18's but i want you to possibly accept the fact that 20's won't fit... if you contact him i bet he'd be able to answer questions for you about being bagged w/ wheels

[PICC_prez]

Originally posted by Sweet98GA
here's a cardomain to a stock gt kit bagged w/ 18's

http://www.cardomain.com/ride/220484

i know its only 18's but i want you to possibly accept the fact that 20's won't fit... if you contact him i bet he'd be able to answer questions for you about being bagged w/ wheels

i was just curious about the 20's the car will be a dd and will have a second set of rims my stock 16s as i stated before will still be used the 20's are for cruisin on gration and woodward and shows other then that 16's will be used and the 20's for summer but the 18's look nice and maybe 19's and i like your grand am. and yes i have a guy rollin and cuttin out my fenders so i can slam it down. ive been into baggin cars but never had the money to do or a car i deemed worth it. so thank you for the help im probably gonna find some 20's to try on and see

[SE2000]

Originally posted by Sweet98GA
So let me give you an answer that doesn't come from the common man

You said bags, and you said show, which means this isn't necessarily going to be your dd (or at least I hope not)

20's might not fit, but you are at least going to need to remove your wheel wells altogether and you may even need to roll ure fenders to get the wheel to tuck inside the wheel well. In my sig pic below, i'm running 19's with a 2" drop from intrax to give you an idea. And I can tell you as the car sits right now, there is no way the wheels will fit inside of fender... partly due to the fact that they are made of hi temp epoxy so I can't just go get them rolled, partly due to the overall width (9")

Obviously its going to look a lil funny on the road, but what these guys are not understanding is that from a show perspective, or at any point you are parked, the car is going to be on the ground, tucking said 20's, and it'll look at least ok if not good

my favorite part of this site is how people with stock se's and gt's come on and talk shit to anyone who wants to modify their car in anyway... Just remember folks, you gotta have shit to talk shit :) This guy asked a simple question, and all I see is references to the generic line of "just cause you can, doesn't mean you should"... How about "it's mine and i'll do what I want with it"

Another thing to mention is that you guys are obviously huge law obiding citizens... anyone wanting to do mods like this prolly doesn't care that their speedo is going to be off by a few mph's so lets get that out of the way as well.

Dave, your best bet is to try and find someone with 20's with a 5x100 bolt pattern and slap one on and see what happens. Then from there you can get a better idea as to what you will need to do to get these on there and not damage them or your car. Another thing I will definitely suggest you do is upgrade your brakes... at least better rotors and pads... 20's will have a much larger rolling mass which means its going to take more power to stop them. For about $2500 you can get front 13" and rear 12" disc brakes (rear is a conversion from drum to disk) from wilwood and that will stop you and look really nice coming thru your spokes

find someone with a 20" wheel, put it on, and take a pic :)

I assume you aretalking about us. The question was to put larger wheels under a basically stock car.

We suggested a more reasonable approch and we get bagged for being old farts that don't know what we're talking about. Just because we may not be picking up college ho's anymore,doesn't me we haven't in the past. Maybe life has taught us that it's not all that cracked up to be. A more mature woman may not be as flashing and impress the not worth impressing but we know we have someting we'll enjoy a lot more. I hope this comparrison explains where at least I am coming from.
You assumed a show car. You also explain that you have to go big brakes are needed, rolled fenders are needed and it's not pratical on the street. He did not want to do any of that by the original post. Also no mention of it being a show car. Maybe thats why we discouraged such a wheel. If he stated it was primarily a show car and he had $6k to drop, my opinion would have been different. Since you are running scrawny 19's, I guess that puts you into our group as you're not doing it yourself. You even discourage it . I'm not ragging on you, but don't dismiss us for not wanting our DD to be like that. And remember, a show car with the same size wheels as everyone else does not stand out.

[PICC_prez]

Originally posted by PICC_prez
cuz i know there is no way in hell im gonna fit 24's on a 97 i just want 20's for showin and crusin and i have my stock rims powder coated with some michelle tires for when i race


ok i did say for show and cruising and the first post i put was i plan on baggin it so i can tuck rim and there arent that many 96-98 grand ams in mich that are bagged and tuckin rim. not tryin to be an a$$hole but in his defense i did say the 20's were for show and cruisin for for every day. they wont be too practical for a michigan winter....lol

[LittleWhiteGT]

If u do get 20's on your car PLEASE upgrade your brakes. My buddy was telling me about some d-bag that had 22's on his 99+ grand am and it had stock brakes, it also rubbed like a mother f-er and the guy wanted the shop to do some thing about it to stop rubbing..... any was please upgrade your brakes u will need it for the bigger rims.

[PICC_prez]

Originally posted by LittleWhiteGT
If u do get 20's on your car PLEASE upgrade your brakes. My buddy was telling me about some d-bag that had 22's on his 99+ grand am and it had stock brakes, it also rubbed like a mother f-er and the guy wanted the shop to do some thing about it to stop rubbing..... any was please upgrade your brakes u will need it for the bigger rims.


most def brakes are getting upgraded even if i dont do the 20's i still want to upgrade brakes and im worried about rubbin but i saw the 19's on my year car and they look damn good and less hassle anyway thanx for all the help guys


oh ya and dont assume the OP is gonna do it anyway that is why i asked for advice you know what they say when you assume you make an a$$ of u not me

[b2089]

Hey no disrespect intended. I simply meant I thought you'd do it whether I liked it personally or not. I'm all for people doing what they like. I'm on the opposite side of the spectrum here, I CHOOSE to keep the 16's and don't have them just because they came on the car.

[PICC_prez]

i just get alot of negativity on this forum and all i did was ask a question so i just take defense now. i didnt mean to get jumpy just used to bein dissed anbd kinda sick of it ya know.....keep your eys out for my car i have a lot of work goin into it this summer system lighting bags paint a bunch of stuff.......then next summer is gonna be my motor swap hopefully

[b2089]

People are very free with their opinions, but I guess that's to be expected.

One thing I've noticed about big wheels is alignment type problems. I used to do tire rotations at a previous job and I saw a lot of 80s big cars (Caprice style boxes of varying brands) with 20s or better and all of them seemed to wear on the outside edges. It was some of the most extreme uneven tire wear I've ever seen with the inside being newish and both edges having the steel belt sticking out until the tire failed. Oddly enough this was on front and back tires. Any idea what caused it, because I never could figure it out.

Let me clarify, when I say outside edges I really mean inside and out. The middle of the tire would be good but both sidewalls would be worn into.

[PICC_prez]

damn not sure maybe they had suspension problems. a friend of mine had one of those bubble box cars (crap) and he didnt have any problems but he dumped a sh_t load of money into suspension and alignments and he had to got it check almost every other month and it was always fed up it was a 80 somethin caprice with like 28's on it.

[SE2000]

They probally were not running the tires hard enough to keep those heavy cars from wearing the outside edge. You put way oversized wheels on your car and those low profile tires make the car ride like a old buckboard. A show car gets no miles and hits no potholes so stuff whatever you can on those but it's not practical on a DD

[ridincleanga]

hmmm don't kow if 20's will fit on a 97 but here's a pic of my 2004 on 20's i'm running a 225/35/20 tire on it, it rubbed a lil when i first got them but it doesn't rub no more, when i replace the tires imma go wit a 225/30/20 tire to give me more clearancehttp://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t196/ridinclean27/Donald_s_Cherry_Bomb_0045.jpg

[PICC_prez]

that don look bad im gonna check into that more thanx

[litdevil316]

Originally posted by Sweet98GA
Another thing I will definitely suggest you do is upgrade your brakes... at least better rotors and pads... 20's will have a much larger rolling mass which means its going to take more power to stop them. For about $2500 you can get front 13" and rear 12" disc brakes (rear is a conversion from drum to disk) from wilwood and that will stop you and look really nice coming thru your spokes

find someone with a 20" wheel, put it on, and take a pic :)

what wilwood kit is this you speak off? i'd trust wilwood before i trust a break kit from RSM, but i wasnt able to find a wilwood 13" kit for grand ams.

[Dave C]

Michigan winters definately will be bad, but even in the summers as a DD if you go down a road with potholes or over some uneven railroad tracks you better slow down...

[PICC_prez]

Originally posted by Dave C
Michigan winters definately will be bad, but even in the summers as a DD if you go down a road with potholes or over some uneven railroad tracks you better slow down...


oh i no this . i had underbody light onit with it lowered and i kept them in one piece for the summer and i drive slow over tracks anyway even if my car is stock you hit those tracks and pot holes right you f up your front end but thanks tho