Turbo

[Housor]

hye i was wondering if this turbo would go on my car and what else i'd need to make it work.

[mutt421]

What turbo?

[Matt95GT]

A turbo is only a fraction of the puzzle. The turbo manifolds, charge piping, fuel/tuning and supporting mods are a majority of it.

[xspsi6]

Any turbo will pretty much fit on any car but fabrication is where the expense comes in at.

[boost21]

some http://www.duckproducts.com/common/graphics/upload/all/STD_Logo.gif
and http://www.insuremeblog.com/agent/BLOGIMAGES/elbow%20grease.jpg
will get you there

[GrandAmGTTT]

Your gonna need patience and some money to buy the parts. and while your at it get a buddy or two to help you.

[GrandAmGTTT]

what kind of turbo are you gettin anyways?

[Housor]

im not getting a turbo i would make my own set up but i don't know nearly enough about engines it seems as tho if i did it myself it would be a hell of alot cheaper then the supercharger kit.

[Sweet98GA]

if you don't know what you alot about engines, how do you plan on putting together a turbo kit that will work and be cheaper than s/c?

lets say you have access to a shop that won't charge you any labor, you will still need a t3/t4 hybrid (don't waste your time w/ just a t3 as it won't boost alot, and don't go w/ just a t4 cause it'll take too long to spool), turbo manifold, whole new exahust system, air filter, charge piping, intercooler, afpr, boost controller. You are gonna spend at least 2000-2500 for a decent setup. But i'm guessin you don't have a labor free shop, and if you don't know what you are doing, i'd strongly advise that you don't go tryin to do this by yourself. So lets add on another 1500-2000 in labor costs... just as much as a s/c that comes w/ instructions and is something you can do w/ a decent tool set in a day, or get installed

[dajuiceman]

what would be the benefit of having a turbocharger vs a supercharger. I think i would rather have the supercharger because you dont have the lag that you get with the turbocharger plus theres already a supercharger kit out there for our cars (of course it will cost you your left nut it's so damn expensive).

[Deggy Fresh]

"life is to short to wait for turbo lag"

[grandam01]

This lag you both speak of doesn't exist with the amount of boost you can push on our cars, once you get up in boost passed possibly 1 bar, or 14.7 psi, then you have more lag, but the t3/t4 hybrid keeps lag down.

Supercharger you get what is called parasitic loss, which means your enigne is being drawn due to the supercharger being run off the accessory belt, it requires some of your engines power to make the power. Also a turbo kit on ebay, a universal one that includes the turbo is roughly $900, soo lets say you go to a shop and they charge you about $700 or less for custom turbo manifolds, a shop near me would charge me less but i know the guy, then a few extra pieces of tubing and maybe a computer tuning at a shop with a dyno, for me a guy I know owns a shop (haddad motorsports) he can tune my car using his dyno for roughly $400. sooo 900 plus 700 plus 400, thats roughly $2000, more than half the price of any supercharger out there.

All depends on what you want, both are valid ways to go, I plan on doing a turbo once i am done with school, turbo is a very efficient way to make power, superchargers are getting there but a centrifigual S/C still takes from the motor initially.

Hope this kind of helps.

[TurboGAT]

First off you cant put any turbo on a car.....if you put a 35g turbo on a 3.4 motor thing wont spool till like 5grand and if you put too small of a turbo the motor will eat the turbo up...if you do not know that much about engines i suggest you dont do your own kit b/c it will cost you a lot more money than the s/c kit....turbos themselves are expensive unless you buy a crappy one off ebay....plus there is so much more you need...grand ams have shitty radiators plus the cars run hot to begin with, you need a fuel pump, fuel pressure regulator, injectors, custom manifold or up-pipe, custom downpipe, intercooler and piping, flanges, fittings, steel braided line, tuning software, tunning, etc. Trust me i have done two custom turbo kits on grand ams....its a long and very expensive process to DO IT THE RIGHT WAY. Do yourself a favor and do it the rite way dont buy a turbo off ebay unless its a GOOD and Brand name turbo...Its something you dont want to mess with because it will cause you more headaches down the road

As for s/c vs. Turbos.....turbos are more effecient and provide more power than a s/c. You wont get nearly the same power out of a s/c than a turbo....As for that, turbo are obviously more expensive. I totally agree with everything that grandam01 said.

-Brian

[grandam01]

turbogat the turbo the use on the universal kit is a t3/t4, just the rest of the stuff is universal piping and a universal I.C.

I do agree though there is a lot of work I plan on doing it myself just because I can. I am also going to school for mech. eng.

take some automotive classes before puting a turbo on your car, you can have friends do it but if something breaks and noones around to help, then you got yourself in a pickle.

[TurboGAT]

I know its a t3/t4 turbo and thats a good size to put on but im saying the actual quality of the turbo....you have to be careful with off brand ebay turbos because they suck.

thats good that you know whats up and how to do a good amount of this shit....it truly helps...i saved my self a lot of money not goin to a guy and doin it myself

good luck man

-Brian

[angrysk8r]

There's nothing completely wrong with an ebay turbo. I know a couple people who have used cheap ebay turbochargers and haven't had problems with them. Obviously, it is always better to shell out the money and buy a good brand name turbo, but hell, the way I see it is that if you want to go fast for cheap it can't hurt too much to get an ebay turbo (given you know the seller is somewhat reputable and hasn't had people complaining about fried turbos). I mean, even if the cheap turbo is prone to failure at half the lifespan of a good turbo, you've probably ended up spending less than half of the money you could have spend on a brand name turbo. All you would need to do is buy a new turbo and bolt it on.

[nubraskan]

There's nothing completely wrong with and ebay turbo. I know a couple people who have used cheap ebay turbochargers and haven't had problems with them. Obviously, it is always better to shell out the money and buy a good brand name turbo, but hell, the way I see it is that if you want to go fast for cheap it can't hurt too much to get an ebay turbo (given you know the seller is somewhat reputable and hasn't had people complaining about fried turbos). I mean, even if the cheap turbo is prone to failure at half the lifespan of a good turbo, you've probably ended up spending less than half of the money you could have spend on a brand name turbo. All you would need to do is buy a new turbo and bolt it on.

X2, The turbo isn't likely to cause you to blow your motor either so long as you're monitoring the pressure and fuel delivery. If it goes bad, go back to stock and you're out 200-300$. Not a big deal if you didn't have 1k to throw down for a turbo in the first place.

[TurboGAT]

True but i look at it as if you going to do a turbo set up and spend all that money do it right and buy a good turbo....to each his own but thats just me

-Brian

[angrysk8r]

Well yea, like I said, if you have the money a good turbo is definitely worth it.

[grandam01]

pshshshsh just go buy one of those electric superchargers, man they add mass amounts of horsepower, and the torque they produce is astonishing. hahaha

Just kidding. :-)

[angrysk8r]

pshshshsh just go buy one of those electric superchargers, man they add mass amounts of horsepower, and the torque they produce is astonishing. hahaha


Are you freaking retarded or something??!!? I've never read a post that stupid before in my life. Those cheap electric turbo/superchargers don't do anything at all but reduce horsepower, you're a freaking idiot.















jk :D

[wyatt p]

Also know how much psi you are running. Anything over 9 psi you will probably have to go with aftermarket pistons and connecting rods. Depending on how hard you run the car, you can fry your pistons or throw a connecting rod. I am getting my engine rebuilt and I am putting in better connecting rods, pistons, comp cam, port and polish intake,and a valve job. I am doing this to prep my engine to run 14psi or better when I add a turbo.

[angrysk8r]

No one really knows the limits of our bottom ends. Hell, there are grand prixs running 9s with stock bottom ends (although their compresson may be lower). Not to say that a built bottom end is a bad idea, it's actually a good idea, just saying that no one can really say exactly when our bottom end will give out

[wyatt p]

I agree. No one knows. I figure that if I have the engine out getting it rebuilt, I might as well get everything done all at once. It's an extra vehicle, so I don't have to worry about transportation. Once I add the turbo,possibly twin I have not decided yet, I will post times.

[grandam01]

Are you freaking retarded or something??!!? I've never read a post that stupid before in my life. Those cheap electric turbo/superchargers don't do anything at all but reduce horsepower, you're a freaking idiot.



jk :D
Pshshsh man what the shenanigans im no idiot. hahahaha.

I will agree however that noone has really ever pushed our bottom ends, I hear a bunch of people say that they run into problems pushing more boost than that but..... that was a while ago when i first got my car, 9 psi is usually good for most stock setups, but any car that are pushing more boost usually have lower compression ratios. not to mention that a good radiator would be a great investment and maybe higher octane gas and if it is still running hot some alky injection.

[magt]

hey housor call jrp in Mississauga.on, they can fabricate a kit and tune it for you
jrponline.com ask for jay

[angrysk8r]

Pshshsh man what the shenanigans im no idiot. hahahaha.

I will agree however that noone has really ever pushed our bottom ends, I hear a bunch of people say that they run into problems pushing more boost than that but..... that was a while ago when i first got my car, 9 psi is usually good for most stock setups, but any car that are pushing more boost usually have lower compression ratios. not to mention that a good radiator would be a great investment and maybe higher octane gas and if it is still running hot some alky injection.

a new radiator wouldn't really be very necessary, the stock one is fine, if you need to run cooler you can get a 180 or 160 degree thermostat, it's also quite a bit cheaper.

higher octane gas is pretty much a must if you want to keep your KR down while running boost, I'd say get the highest you can find at your local pumps (BP sells the highest around where I live, 92 octane, and if I really wanted to, maybe for a track run or something, a local place sells 100 octane for offroad use), alky also would help like you said.

[grandam01]

nahh if you are pushing higher than 9 psi you would want a better raiator i have the 180 t-stat in my car its good but on warmer days it still creeps up above 200. I think it to be a wise investment if you are going to build a car for performance a performance radiator would be a good idea, thats just me.

[angrysk8r]

it's true a good radiator wouldn't hurt...but I'm pushing 7 psi and a stock 195 t-stat and the coolant temp always stays just below 200, right where it should be, i'd say unless you actually have temp issues then you shouldn't get a better radiator, just my 2 cents though, i'm always money conscious :D

[grandam01]

understandable, 7 psi? wow dang i wish during the summer here at the track i was sittin at around 210-215 with the stock t-stat, N/A. I will say that being money conscious with a modified car is not a good idea, i understand completely as I am a college student and never have money, but if you want performance you gotta be able to afford all that goes with it otherwise you will pay in the end. Just my .02.

[spy]

nahh if you are pushing higher than 9 psi you would want a better raiator i have the 180 t-stat in my car its good but on warmer days it still creeps up above 200. I think it to be a wise investment if you are going to build a car for performance a performance radiator would be a good idea, thats just me.

You don't REALLY need one. If you are wild about it, get one. When I had my car prowling the streets of Vegas in summertime, it would be a pinch above 200, but the car never suffered. Oh yeah Vegas is hot hot heat. Now if you're going to be doing spirited driving on something such as a roadcoarse for extended periods, then it is definitely a good idea to upgrade that radiator.

[grandam01]

true true, spy i would imagin the heat in vegas is pretty hot.

[spy]

true true, spy i would imagin the heat in vegas is pretty hot.

stoooooooooooopid hot. that's for sure, but the ladies wear less, and the cars still look good. :)

[grandam01]

hehehe I like it when the ladies wear less, mmmmhhhmmmmm, very nice how much?

Sooo spy you still gettin that 510? I too am selling my GA but for a newer ish datsun, well 91-93 240sx.

P.S let me know if you know anyone out that way who has a stock one for sale

[spy]

hehehe I like it when the ladies wear less, mmmmhhhmmmmm, very nice how much?

Sooo spy you still gettin that 510? I too am selling my GA but for a newer ish datsun, well 91-93 240sx.

P.S let me know if you know anyone out that way who has a stock one for sale

There's always a 240sx for sale out here, it's just whether or not you wanna pay $1000-4000 for one, which the price is a great teller of condition. I have a line up on an sr20det blacktop from an s14 car for sale too.

I'm still trying to find a suitable 510, it's hard to find the one i like.

[nubraskan]

I will say that being money conscious with a modified car is not a good idea, i understand completely as I am a college student and never have money, but if you want performance you gotta be able to afford all that goes with it otherwise you will pay in the end. Just my .02.

You can get away with a lot if you know what you're doing.

[grandam01]

true true, but im saying that skimping on parts for the car then its not too good to be money conscious, shoot i won't let anyone touch my car, well save for paint cause I can't.

[grandam01]

There's always a 240sx for sale out here, it's just whether or not you wanna pay $1000-4000 for one, which the price is a great teller of condition. I have a line up on an sr20det blacktop from an s14 car for sale too.

I'm still trying to find a suitable 510, it's hard to find the one i like.



Yeah dude a great condition 240 stock, im not gonna go for a sr20 yet, im looking for an s13 hatchback bone stock. I know they are only worth about 2 grand in "excellent" condition once I sell my car I will be looking to spend around $2,000-2,500 on one.

Later on down the road maybe I will do the sr20, im thinkin about doin that after i get a 75 camaro and make a street/strip car.

[spy]

You can get away with a lot if you know what you're doing.

You can get away with a lot if you're doing the labor yourself.

Doesn't matter if you know what you're doing or not, I personally won't use an ebay turbo that is a Garrett knock off.

HOWEVER, I do have tips on getting a TiAL knockoff wastegate and blowoff valve to operate just as good as a legit TiAL product, if people are really into penny pinching.

Buy the knockoff part as cheap as possible, buy a TiAL rebuild kit for that product. Swap the internals, bingo................. You spend less than the actual price of a real TiAL product. You can save anywhere from $20-80 doing this.

[spy]

Yeah dude a great condition 240 stock, im not gonna go for a sr20 yet, im looking for an s13 hatchback bone stock. I know they are only worth about 2 grand in "excellent" condition once I sell my car I will be looking to spend around $2,000-2,500 on one.

Later on down the road maybe I will do the sr20, im thinkin about doin that after i get a 75 camaro and make a street/strip car.

Sr20DET will make for a great daily driver, especially if you have it tuned for E85, ditch the MAF go to speed density, and tune w/ an Apexi POWER FC. Simple fun daily driver, with turbo power.

[grandam01]

Nooo dude i drive almost 100 miles a day to school and back, Im lookin for good gas mileage, Im semi retarded, i decided to go back to school.

[Deggy Fresh]

"life is to short to wait for turbo lag"

im gonna quote myself here and say I was joking about this statement, didn't know I had to put lol or something after it for people to realize sarcasm...:lol::lol::lol:

[grandam01]

hahahaha thats awesome dude. unfortunately yeah, sarcasm is unfortunately not easily seen on the internet.

[spy]

im gonna quote myself here and say I was joking about this statement, didn't know I had to put lol or something after it for people to realize sarcasm...:lol::lol::lol:

all I gotta say is... I never knew lag to be a big enough reason to choose a supercharger over the turbo. To me there simply is no contest between the two on smaller motor'd apps.

[Firefox234]

So the question is where are good places to buy Turbo kits? I've seen the ones on Ebay for $899 without down pipe and turbo manifold so what are the good places to buy kits from?

Also I've started a bit of a war at work among the car guys. Some say the 3400 could handle a twin turbo with the proper engine mods and others say a twin turbo would blow it. Which side is right?

[Matt95GT]

Also I've started a bit of a war at work among the car guys. Some say the 3400 could handle a twin turbo with the proper engine mods and others say a twin turbo would blow it. Which side is right?

Neither... none of them sound like they know what they are talking about. The amount of boost pressure is the concern for how much it can handle. The number of turbos used to make that pressure is irrelevant.

[Firefox234]

Whats the ideal pressure for the 3400 motor?

[spy]

Whats the ideal pressure for the 3400 motor?

it's whatever you build it to handle.

If you don't intend on building up a motor, stick w/ something under 10lbs of boost *just a generalization that's fairly widely accepted as safe*. Stock headgasket and head bolts aren't necessarily made with big boost in mind.

[Firefox234]

it's whatever you build it to handle.

If you don't intend on building up a motor, stick w/ something under 10lbs of boost *just a generalization that's fairly widely accepted as safe*. Stock headgasket and head bolts aren't necessarily made with big boost in mind.

I was thinking of rebuilding most of the motor. Cams, pistons, manifolds, exhaust (not technically the motor)

So does anyone know a good company that sales turbo or twin turbo kits?

Btw love this place. The supporter links alone have given me great ideas about the design and cosmetics of my car.

[spy]

I was thinking of rebuilding most of the motor. Cams, pistons, manifolds, exhaust (not technically the motor)

So does anyone know a good company that sales turbo or twin turbo kits?

Btw love this place. The supporter links alone have given me great ideas about the design and cosmetics of my car.

There are no turbo kits available...

You basically build one up from scratch.
People that have done it have pictures running around somewhere her.

[Firefox234]

Huh that sucks. Heres what I was looking at for modding the motor

http://www.milzymotorsports.com/

Stage 2 Performance Package listed under Engine Performance and 3400. Kit includes: -MMS Stage 2 heads -MMS Stage 2 cam -MMS Complete heads and cam install kit -MMS ported intake manifolds -MMS Stage 2 PCM -MMS 180 t-stat -MMS 36lb injector and harness kit -MMS chromemoly pushrods

Also was looking at this Vortech supercharger kit from http://www.z-spec.com/catalog.htm

Both of those sites I found roaming around here.

[spy]

Huh that sucks. Heres what I was looking at for modding the motor

http://www.milzymotorsports.com/

Stage 2 Performance Package listed under Engine Performance and 3400. Kit includes: -MMS Stage 2 heads -MMS Stage 2 cam -MMS Complete heads and cam install kit -MMS ported intake manifolds -MMS Stage 2 PCM -MMS 180 t-stat -MMS 36lb injector and harness kit -MMS chromemoly pushrods

Also was looking at this Vortech supercharger kit from http://www.z-spec.com/catalog.htm

Both of those sites I found roaming around here.

Have fun with that supercharger kit if you go with it. Expect to buy HPTuners, buy some injectors at the minimum to get that thing running properly, plus learning how to tune yourself or finding a reputable shop to tune for you.

[g4mbl3]

hey,just a quick question, but while i was at a junkyard, i happened upon a little chevy sprint. it had a turbo sticker on the back so i popped the hod and sure enough there was a suzuki engine sittin in there with a intercooler right on top. now just wondering if it was worth it to snag this up or let it go, but it has all the parts that connect to it. i dont know anything about turbo's but if its worth it, il snatch it up and learn from everyone! thx

[grandam01]

heyy spy there is a company that makes a kit, just need someone to get their grand am there to help them redesign the kit.

http://www.turbochargedpower.com/99-04%20Grand%20Am.htm

also milzy is going to be offering a turbo kit for the grand am.

the kit is about $3,500 for everything you need through hp performance.

[spy]

hey,just a quick question, but while i was at a junkyard, i happened upon a little chevy sprint. it had a turbo sticker on the back so i popped the hod and sure enough there was a suzuki engine sittin in there with a intercooler right on top. now just wondering if it was worth it to snag this up or let it go, but it has all the parts that connect to it. i dont know anything about turbo's but if its worth it, il snatch it up and learn from everyone! thx

stop before you start. first learn then buy.

[spy]

heyy spy there is a company that makes a kit, just need someone to get their grand am there to help them redesign the kit.

http://www.turbochargedpower.com/99-04%20Grand%20Am.htm

also milzy is going to be offering a turbo kit for the grand am.

the kit is about $3,500 for everything you need through hp performance.

That link to that kit is pretty tyte and all, and if someone does step up that would be cool. Here's my question, what are they doing for tuning?

With Milzy we'll see when it happens.

I think the shop I did work on grandma with would do a pretty good one off 3.4 turbo job if someone had the money and dedication.

So in the end, there currently is no turbokit you can just call up and order. There IS stuff in the works pending certain things, as it seems right now.

[g4mbl3]

stop before you start. first learn then buy.
thx man, i did reconsider and didnt really want this as what i do know is that you have to run a grade higher of fuel, so im not up for the higher prices. thx again

[grandam01]

yeah spy trevtec did dreks grand am didn't they? also Hp performance just recently took their kit back to redesign it.

[spy]

yeah spy trevtec did dreks grand am didn't they? also Hp performance just recently took their kit back to redesign it.

Trevtec did do Deeks Grand Am back in the day. Then Deek decided to cheap out and not take it to the next level. It's where, at the time, I worked on my grandma up until I axed grandma for being finicky.

[grandam01]

Yeah I saw that you were getting rid of it, did you get the 510 you were looking for?

[spy]

Yeah I saw that you were getting rid of it, did you get the 510 you were looking for?

Still looking casually, but I'm slowly giving up on that. I've been researching T-buckets. There may still be a use for my engine yet!

[grandam01]

Nooo way you are seriously going to put a 4 cyl in a T-bucket??

[spy]

Nooo way you are seriously going to put a 4 cyl in a T-bucket??

that seems like what I want to do. Use my motor, make a new intake manifold that looks like a bomb, make an overly intricate turbo manifold, do some powdercoating of the motor, get a T5 tranny and go to town.

[grandam01]

wow thats new, dude i have seem some 6 cyl. in a t-bucket but never a 4 cyl. cool cool man, I will give it the originality.

[spy]

wow thats new, dude i have seem some 6 cyl. in a t-bucket but never a 4 cyl. cool cool man, I will give it the originality.

we'll just have to see what happens when it happens.

[grandam01]

true true, well you have an original car to show off.