Some general questions about 92-95 GA SE/GT

[JGrant]

What are the main differences between the SE / GT of these years? Looking through various exterior and interior modifications done on cardomain I've noticed a few, but have also noticed many things I thought were GT on SE vehicles.

So what sets the GT apart from the SE models? Are they purely interchangeable? I've read on the modification list thing stickied that you can clear the GT tails but not the SE tails, could I clear GT tails and put them on my SE with no problems or fabrication needed?

I've also noticed differences in the gauge clusters. I've noticed a 'sports' gauge cluster with the following:
http://www.speedhut.com/images_products/E-PON-GRAM-02-NEW.jpg

Whereas my cluster does not have half of the stuff on that cluster, If I found the entire unit on ebay could I simply plug in where mine was? Or is the computer different aswell? Is it possible to make some modifications to make it work?

Any other general information I should know that could help me in doing modifications to my 95 SE, interior or exterior, would be great thanks.

[LargeFish]

It's basically a trim option, but also controls what other options may be available. Big thing I see is that the HO was only available on the GT model in 92-94. No HOs in 95. People have changed dash clusters, but it requires some changes to senders.

[Big Joe]

everything thats comes on a GT will fit on an SE. There basically the same car. The GT comes with a different body kit and different tail lights. Most most other things that you usually see on a GT can be found on an SE in some occasions.

The GT came standard with that gauge cluster but its not that uncommon to find it in an SE. It was basically an option, along with a few other things. You could swap the GT cluster over to your SE but the Oil Pressure gauge will not work with the current sensor you have in there. It will need to be swapped out to a GT sensor. You also have to remember that if you switched clusters the millage would be off.

[JGrant]

Mileage is already off due to engine switch ;P engine currently has 39,000 miles, but cluster lists about 150k

[JGrant]

Originally posted by LargeFish
It's basically a trim option, but also controls what other options may be available. Big thing I see is that the HO was only available on the GT model in 92-94. No HOs in 95. People have changed dash clusters, but it requires some changes to senders.

What do you mean by the HO?

[04alyGT]

I had a 95 GT....god i miss her
GT has a GT style body kit, which includes front fascia, rear fascia, side skirts, spoiler. Also has a different transmission (v6 model at least), gauge cluster with tach, and GT specific rims. It also has a stiffer suspension.
Oh duh, and dual exhaust with slightly larger piping than the SE. 2 1/4 inch i think.
http://www.gaownersclub.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=69809&highlight=HEY+HEY+IM+BACK
- My old car, those are the GT rims i was talking about.

[LargeFish]

Originally posted by JGrant
What do you mean by the HO?

The most powerful engine offered in 92-94 was the Quad 4 HO. See the 2.3 engine specific section for a lot more info.

[Big Joe]

Originally posted by JGrant
Mileage is already off due to engine switch ;P engine currently has 39,000 miles, but cluster lists about 150k

Your mileage is off for your engine but not off for the car, witch is what really matters.

[Nighthawk243]

Originally posted by LargeFish
The most powerful engine offered in 92-94 was the Quad 4 HO. See the 2.3 engine specific section for a lot more info.

Yep.

The Oldsmobile had an even hotter engine, the W41.

[JGrant]

Btw I've been wondering, would I have any problems with my engine I've switched it out with, its 3.1 MPFI and it came with the stock 3100. Any foreseeable problems that might arise since I'm using the stock GA computer and stock everything except the engine?

[Big Joe]

nothing that wouldn't have happened right away. there both 60 degree engines it cant be that much different.

[TA^Guy]

Why didn't you just pull the motor and put the SFI from the 3100 onto the MPFI long block?

[Matt95GT]

As everyone mentioned, it is mostly cosmetic/trim differences. The only 2 things exclusive to the GT:
1. The application of the 2.3L Quad 4 HO engine and Getrag transmission team.
2. FE3 suspension (exclusive to 2.3 HO on 92-94, and the manual trans 2.3 LD2 on 95)

Originally posted by 4576foxtrot
Also has a different transmission (v6 model at least) It also has a stiffer suspension.
Oh duh, and dual exhaust with slightly larger piping than the SE. 2 1/4 inch i think.


Those are not true.
Transmissions are identical between SE and GT when equipped with a V6.

All GT's are at least FE2 suspension, but FE2 was also available on the SE, and was packaged with larger wheels/tires.

All 92-95's have 2.0" exhaust piping.

Originally posted by JGrant
Btw I've been wondering, would I have any problems with my engine I've switched it out with, its 3.1 MPFI and it came with the stock 3100. Any foreseeable problems that might arise since I'm using the stock GA computer and stock everything except the engine?

If it runs now, probably not. Any big problems would have presented themselves in sensor incompatibilities. Since the 3.1 MPFI engine wasn't rated to have as much power as the 3100 SFI, air/fuel ratio may be off as a result of which injectors you're using and PCM fuel tables. This would only occur at open-loop WOT... the PCM is robust enough to hold stoich at idle and partial throttle.

[JGrant]

Is there a thread made yet on the 92-95 to 96-98 conversion yet? I'm checking JYs around for parts I need to get and now sure exactly what all I need.

I'm wanting to do this so I can get a 96-98 bodykit, so wondering what parts do I need.
Hood, fenders ( front and back? ), trunk lid, anything else? Dont need to get new doors do I? :P From reading various things on the forum I've read that the rear end conversion is hell. How hellish is it? What exactly does it entail and how is the front conversion? Is the front pretty simple bolt on?

Edit: For the conversion am I going to have to new bumper absorbers aswell?

[Big Joe]

Originally posted by JGrant
I'm wanting to do this so I can get a 96-98 bodykit

You know that every kit they make for the 96-98 is also made for the 92-95 right?

[JGrant]

no ;] i dunno ;]

[JGrant]

Reason why I was/am confused on that:
AAS Combat G2 Bodykit:

Front on picture of a 96-98
http://www.andysautosport.com/images/detailed_product/exterior/body_kits/body_kit_component/96_98grandam_g2combatfront2.jpg

Front on picture of a 92-95
http://www.andysautosport.com/images/detailed_product/exterior/body_kits/body_kit_component/92silvergrandamf.jpg

The AAS kit pic shown in the in 96-98 looks like the vader kit for 96-98. But the vader kit for 92-95 looks COMPLETELY different...

[JGrant]

Ok
Preparing to order some AAS items:

Andy's Auto Sport G2 Combat Body Kit - FULL KIT ( 96-98 )
Spyder Auto Headlights - Projector (Black/Blue Halo) [For 95 Civic Conversion ]
Vision Auto Fender Flares ( I think the kid would look better with them )

But I need to know what 96-98 parts do I need to get? Do I need to get a 96-98 trunk and/or rear quarter panels or are they the same as 92-95? Do I need to get new front fenders? or am I better off keeping all of my 92-95 parts and modifying the parts that leave gaps?

[Big Joe]

Originally posted by JGrant
Reason why I was/am confused on that:
AAS Combat G2 Bodykit:

Front on picture of a 96-98
http://www.andysautosport.com/images/detailed_product/exterior/body_kits/body_kit_component/96_98grandam_g2combatfront2.jpg

Front on picture of a 92-95
http://www.andysautosport.com/images/detailed_product/exterior/body_kits/body_kit_component/92silvergrandamf.jpg

The AAS kit pic shown in the in 96-98 looks like the vader kit for 96-98. But the vader kit for 92-95 looks COMPLETELY different...

outside of the grills they are exactly the same. I don't get how your saying they are completely different.

[JGrant]

Sorry I wasnt really clear with what I meant there...

Looking at the pics on AAS's website FX Designs VSC kit is identical to the Extreme Dimensions Vader kit. The VSC kit for 96-98 has the exact same features as the vader kit for 96-98 does. However, for the years they have different pics.

Vader is Not NEARLY similar.
http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/8684/vaderhp2.jpg

G2 Is close, but some of the key features I like about the 96-98 version are missing from the 92-95 version.
http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/4749/9698grandamg2combatfronfs5.jpg


As for the Vader and G2 being the same as eachother...here's the 96-98 comparison:
http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/7672/sameeq9.jpg
Its even the same car picture. Look at the reflection in the windows. It was just flipped horizontally and had a different watermark added to it.

The 92-95 Vader and G2 are the same way I just didnt feel like makin a comparison of them to show that they are the same, but different from their future versions.

[ManktheTank19]

Info:

92 - 98 Have the same front bumper and fenders. The difference you see is the 96 - 98 GA have a little fin instead of turn signal lights.

The reason why both bumpers are the same are due to the fact that the fenders are the same.

However, the hood is different between the 92 - 95 and 96 - 98 because of the different formations on the nose of the front bumper.

The rear bumper is almost interchangeable (sp?) but dont forget the 92 - 95 have the reverse lights in the bumper.

The tail lights and hood between 92 - 95 and 96 - 98 are totally different

Also, if you wanted the 96 - 98 gt door skins on your car which I think looks better than the 92 - 95 gt - they change will work :)

I hope this Helps :)

[04alyGT]

I say go find a GT and take the parts off of that and make your car a GT. 95 GT's are hot........although i may be biased :P

[JGrant]

Originally posted by ManktheTank19


Also, if you wanted the 96 - 98 gt door skins on your car which I think looks better than the 92 - 95 gt - they change will work :)

I hope this Helps :) [/B]

What do ya mean by door skins? you mean the moldings on the bottom? If so yea I was thinking about that if I can find a good enough donor car in a JY around here.

Thx for the help ;P

[ManktheTank19]

the door skins are the panels that are on the outside of the door.

[Twista89]

So if my take a sports gauge cluster if I swap one into my car the RPM and battery gauges will still work even though I dont have those on my cluster right now??? Also cant I just swap out the Odometer from mine into the sports cluster???

Edit: Ive found out all the info besides the odometer....is it possible to swap that out of the cluster??

[blu-GA]

will it work out becouse i have a 93 se and i was wanting to do the same swap. if you dont mind me asking what will work and what will not work on the cluster

[Twista89]

yea Ive found out all the info you can do the swap just make sure you get it out of another V6 and not a I4. Only way to swap the odometer is my removing the needles which lies a risk of not putting them back in the same spot but its possible. The only thing that wont work is the oil pressure but that can fixed by replacing with the oil sender with the correct model( although I have doubt that you do not have to do this on the V6 but I may be wrong)

[blu-GA]

so the tach will be fully functional as long as i get it form another 3300 v6

[Twista89]

yes

[blu-GA]

kool have you found out any other kool stuff about what can be done to the 92-95 models i am at a rut

[blu-GA]

it will be kinda nice to have a batt guage and a tach. what engine is the beas engine in our model of car

[Twista89]

Check Link: http://www.gaownersclub.com/forum/showthread.php?t=56844

Anything else not found in there most likely has to be made by yourself as there arent many comestic stuff out there for our years.

Base engine was the SOHC quad4 i believe. 95 DOHC quad was base.

[blu-GA]

well thats kool i fab sh!t all of the time so i guess this wont be any diff. where are the sponsor pages at in this forum

[Matt95GT]

Edit: Ive found out all the info besides the odometer....is it possible to swap that out of the cluster??

Yes and no.
Possible = yes.
Feasible for most people = no. The odometer mechanism includes anti-tampering devices, and it's also likely you'll damage the cluster, odometer mechanism or both in the process.