Ram Air vs CAI

[GTMatt]

I have been reading, much reading, to much reading and I cant find an answer to this. If I missed it I do apologize.

I looked at the fender inlet to the air box, and eyeballed the inlet for the ram air setup.

Is there a reason people dont rout the C.A.I from the ram air? I understand moisture is a factor however is it that big of a problem? and shouldn't be just as problematic stock?

Thanks,
Matt:D

[coupe]

To many curves to make it useful in anyway.

[kingkill83]

I have been reading, much reading, to much reading and I cant find an answer to this. If I missed it I do apologize.

I looked at the fender inlet to the air box, and eyeballed the inlet for the ram air setup.

Is there a reason people dont rout the C.A.I from the ram air? I understand moisture is a factor however is it that big of a problem? and shouldn't be just as problematic stock?

Thanks,
Matt:D

on stock GAGT's the air filter is located in the air box, roting a CAI into the ram air would mean, if done right having the filter in the front of the RA system, thus getting it dirtier faster, etc etc.

Ram air is efficient at gains, but only in speeds of excess 55 MPH. otherwise, its jsut a badge.

[tjsoulsby]

a proud badge at that

[kingkill83]

a proud badge at that

not to mention a well known one to. it commands respect from people. its pretty much a step towards forced induction but one done by physics. atleast in theory. it has its proven points. i prefer it over the CAI personally. in a way it is its own CAI.

and the more horsepower you push the engine, the more efficient the R.A.

[GA_GT1]

there are a couple of downfalls to our ram air. 1.) there is only a small opening for the air induction its self. 2.) there is small tubing all the way through which slows down air fllow. 3.) LOTS of un needed bends and turns which also looses air flow and at that actually keeps the air in the engine bay longer than needed resulting in the air being heated up and resulting in a slight loss of power. I still have my ram air in my car and dont plan on changing it but that could change. cold air intake takes the air directly to the engine with virtually no bend.s, curves, ect. if you want to upgrade yourt stock ram air setup i suggest getting a K&N drop in filter.

[jackpot]

has anyone ever tried the CAI from milzy motorsports?

looks quite apart from others, using plastic? tubing instead of metal

wondering if anyone has tried or knows anything about it

peace
JP

[Windjunkie]

The RA intake is right at the nose so you get high pressure unlike some of the (non functional) scoops which are on top of the hood (lower pressuer which wouldn't work well despite looking cooler). You tend to see a lot of guys who want to make those functional, but they'd need to be higher in the airstream to really work as good as a nose mounted one.

I think at highway speeds, the pressure gain on the stock system outweighs the need for a shorter smooth pipe (CAI). It's not a very big TB intake anyway, so having twists and turns won't matter so much when you have enough pressure for the given volume.

Ram AIR always gets a bad rap from guys who want to improve their track times for the reasons stated above where a CAI will work better -- off the line you have zero pressure into the intake, so it's all about breathing easier without a damn snorkel up your nose.

Personally, I find my GAGT to be very good at passing speeds on the highway. It's a comfortable car and has been on numerous cross country road trips. For touring, I can't imagine a car that fits me better (and I've rented a lot of em). The GT I own now seems a lot better than the ones I've rented in years past at highway speeds, and I think some of that is the RAM Air (which you don't get at AVIS). Even with 105K miles it's darn good over 65 mph to 90 in stock config.

Joe

[speedemon77]

i just put a cold air intake on my 02 gagt and noticed a big diference in throttle response and it sounds like its breathing better i also have iridium plugs and a performance chip which i broke does anyone know about these chips they connect at the iat sensor is there really any gain in using one. I bought my parts from yourhotcar.com

[Deggy Fresh]

i just put a cold air intake on my 02 gagt and noticed a big diference in throttle response and it sounds like its breathing better i also have iridium plugs and a performance chip which i broke does anyone know about these chips they connect at the iat sensor is there really any gain in using one. I bought my parts from yourhotcar.com

They don't make "performance chips" for Grand Am's. Take it off your car.

[speedemon77]

its not on i broke it actually my dog ate it lol

[Deggy Fresh]

At least its in a better place than on your car.

[speedemon77]

the chip is supposed to send a different signal to the computer thus adjusting the intake ratio

[Deggy Fresh]

the chip is supposed to send a different signal to the computer thus adjusting the intake ratio

It doesn't do a thing. You wasted your money.

[speedemon77]

well im getting a new one for free and im gonna dyno before and after i'll let you know

[awfulwaffle]

very very bad for your car. It's not a chip, it's a resistor. A 30 cent resistor that is meant to provide the resistance that the IAT sensor creates at 55 degrees Farenheit. In essence, it's causing your car to think that 55 degree air is coming into it, and it richens the a/f ratio. So think of it this way.

If the car thinks it's 55 and it's hotter out, there will be too much fuel for the hotter, expanded air mass entering the cylinders. If it is colder than 55 then the car will lean out, because the denser air will not have enough fuel being mixed into it. Might end up in detonation.

You get the idea. It's worthless. Dyno or not, you're only doing harm to your car.

[eric99gt]

its not on i broke it actually my dog ate it lol

Your dog is smarter than you are....at least he knew it should be destroyed. :D:lol:

[TA^Guy]

lmao these are always the best threads.
the chip is supposed to send a different signal to the computer thus adjusting the intake ratio
Yeah it makes your car run rich.

Lower fuel economy, fouled plugs, more carbon build up in the cylinders, prematurely clogged catalytic converter. Sounds like a good deal, maybe you should buy two!

[Deggy Fresh]

lmao these are always the best threads.

Yeah it makes your car run rich.

Lower fuel economy, fouled plugs, more carbon build up in the cylinders, prematurely clogged catalytic converter. Sounds like a good deal, maybe you should buy two!

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z6/deggyfresh/Owned-Mickey-DomoKid.jpg

[GrandAmGTTT]

LOL HAHA, nice pic

[dankarlinski]

So it wouldn't be beneficial at all to add a cold air intake? I'm better off with my ram air then? Is this correct?

[eric99gt]

no

[dankarlinski]

Ok. Just making sure. Ill stick with my ram then

[nitromanic89]

My GA SE when i bought i didn't realize it came with Ram Air, until i popped the hood open and behold the ram air package was in there. ( I kinda figure something was up cuz at passing speed the motor spooled up really quick and had me off guard for a sec.) The Ram Air i feel is more than perfect for highways speed and sometimes i get stares when i pass people from 50 to 70 as if it were nothing. as a side note my SE came with the muffler setup found on the GAGT.... odd..:)

[stewartfn20]

Ok. Just making sure. Ill stick with my ram then
dude he said no to the fact that you said RA is more beneficial than a CAI. buying a CAI would be better than the RA setup.

[Vampyrate]

has anyone ever tried the CAI from milzy motorsports?

looks quite apart from others, using plastic? tubing instead of metal

wondering if anyone has tried or knows anything about it

peace
JP

save yourself the money and buy one from chromeintakes on ebay. i love milzy, they look to have great products, but tubing is tubing unless its made of duct tape. all piping used in a CAI is the same, the only difference is the filter, which can be replaced with the AEM Driflow (recommended for SRI instead of CAI... SRI is Short Ram Intake, same as the cold air box) or K&N or similar "rechargeable" filter.

the only thing that ram air has over a CAI is that the filter is easier to change. i dread the day when i notice that i need to swap out filters and clean the other because it involves so much work: jacking up car, taking off wheel and wheel well, removing filter, then reverse process

[nitromanic89]

actually the guy was right i was wrong but i still like the RA setup looks nicer

[gt00]

My GA SE when i bought i didn't realize it came with Ram Air, until i popped the hood open and behold the ram air package was in there. ( I kinda figure something was up cuz at passing speed the motor spooled up really quick and had me off guard for a sec.) The Ram Air i feel is more than perfect for highways speed and sometimes i get stares when i pass people from 50 to 70 as if it were nothing. as a side note my SE came with the muffler setup found on the GAGT.... odd..:)SE doesn't come with Ram Air stock , someone obviously added it and the muffler ... ;)

[nitromanic89]

it hard to belive that some one did b/c 2 middle aged women who happen to like Aubren Mist color who owned before i did so it kinda hard to believe that they had it installed but then it again im glad if they they did :)

[Lennyzgt]

a week after i got my gagt i put a k&n filter in it, i didnt really notice a differece. then again the interstate is 45min to an hour away so i dont know if it picked up any highway performace. but when i was changing the filter i noiced some crap ad the bottom of the air box and decided to clean it. in the process of taking the airbox out of the car the gaskets on both of the tubes (one for the ram air and one for the other air horn) were all dryrotted and got destroyed. so my stupid question of the day is are those rubber gaskets benifical to the ram air system? im not really worried about them and i dont feel like going to the local pontiac dealer and get bent over for them.

im also thinking about a cai from doctorspeed hopefully in the near future, but the last i checked the one i wanted was out of stock for now. im not interested in the three piece setup for the reason of changing the filter and im just not comfy with the location of the filter itself.

lenny z

[Vampyrate]

gaskets have a purpose, they create the airtight seal so there are no leaks allowing in unfiltered debris into the IM

[Lennyzgt]

how much crap can really be projected behind the battary? there before the filter anyway, so i see no harm. even with what little discount i get at the dealer i still dont wanna know how much those gaskets cost.


lenny z

[stewartfn20]

im also thinking about a cai from doctorspeed hopefully in the near future, but the last i checked the one i wanted was out of stock for now. im not interested in the three piece setup for the reason of changing the filter and im just not comfy with the location of the filter itself.

lenny z

the place of the filter is not a problem unless you competely submerge the filter. on a side note, DS doesnt know what customer service is and if you buy it youll never get the product. Buy one from MP Racing. End of story.

[Lennyzgt]

thanks for the heads up, ill have to look into the mp. i like the one from ds because it isolated the filter in the engine bay and looked like a good piece. like i said im not sure about the stage 3, besides im lazy and dont want to tear all that crap out.


lenny z

[Vampyrate]

http://motors.shop.ebay.com/_Car-Truck-Parts-Accessories__?_m2home=1&_rkw=Pontiac+Grand+Am+Cold+Air+Intake#item18025850 8813

or save some scratch and get one for ~$40 shipped

[Rotax]

Can we put a short air intake w/o removing the stock box? like just removing the top of the stock box??

[Blackhawk]

You can but why?

[99GrandAMSE]

Guess the answer would be, why not? Regardless, yes, it will work and be economical compared to a complete CAI but if you're going to install the WAI anyway, you might as well remove the bottom portion of the stock air box as the over all appearance will be better.

[GA_mayne]

EDIT: ignore this post
sorry

[Rotax]

hmmm ok thanks :)