So UAW strikes again...

[Nighthawk243]

literally:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20903218/


You would think Lutz would have the balls to just hire non-unionized workers to REPLACE any UAW members who wish to continue striking.

[b2089]

He needs to.

[RazorDX]

I saw this earlier in the morning.

I can't stand these "Unions."

[TA^Guy]

Originally posted by RazorDX
I saw this earlier in the morning.

I can't stand these "Unions."
You and I both.

[04REDGT1]

It's over already.

[car audio dave]

1) lutz doesnt have the authority...rich waggoner (sp?) is the CEO, and even he doesnt have the authority. unions are too strong.

2) dont they realize that their are putting their own employees (members) at risk of loosing their jobs by striking? GM wouldnt be in the position they are in today if it werent for the unions.

3) the unions need to know when to STFU!

[b2089]

Depending on the state you live in Unions may or may not have power. In NC several companies went union only to have all union employees fired and non-union brought in. That isn't against the law thanks to "at will employment". You can't discriminate against a person because of the union but if you fire the whole lot you can get by with it somehow.

[Nighthawk243]

Originally posted by b2089
Depending on the state you live in Unions may or may not have power. In NC several companies went union only to have all union employees fired and non-union brought in. That isn't against the law thanks to "at will employment". You can't discriminate against a person because of the union but if you fire the whole lot you can get by with it somehow.

Yep, Pennsylvania is the same way.

[car audio dave]

i read more about this...it looks like GM found a way to take back some the beenfits that the UAW got over the years.

it looks like UAW realized that they were running the big three into the ground.

[Matt95GT]

Something big is eventually bound to happen with unions... otherwise the big 3 will be tanking sometime in my lifetime.

[TA^Guy]

Unions tend to run alot of companies into the ground. It's no surprise when a factory closes that "hundreds of unions workers are now without jobs"... No 'ish you dumbies, you milked the corperation dry and they no longer could afford to keep their doors open. And these patriotic dipshits cry when they out source overseas, or hire non union labors at half the cost. They aren't being cheap, they are being smart.

[RazorDX]

My dad had a truck driver tell him he's a "horrible American" because he fixed our washing machine himself... because there was a union worker somewhere out there depending on our shit to break.

He wasn't to pleased when I laughed hysterically.

The whole attitude surrounding Unions is just plain annoying. Sure, who doesn't want extra pay and benefits for the next six months or so. The thing is, after those few months you are without a job and the people who worked their asses off their entire life for the company are left without their retirement benefits.

Near-sighted selfishness FTL.

[gir]

unions=stoopid


I had to join a union just to bag friggin groceries at a foodstore, and they've been collecting back dues for months

[Nighthawk243]

Originally posted by RazorDX
My dad had a truck driver tell him he's a "horrible American" because he fixed our washing machine himself... because there was a union worker somewhere out there depending on our shit to break.



Yeah, the dealership wasn't too pleased at me telling them I was going to be the one changing the oil. :lol:

[5speed4]

Wow. Being the "old man" of the forum (based on my "What is your age..." post in the General GA Info section), I'm delighted to see disdain for unions among the young people here.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not entirely anti-union. I think they served a great purpose many years ago and we can all thank them for better working conditions, etc.. However, most unions take it way too far and become power-obsessed, money-obsessed and protectionism-obsessed (tariffs, quotas, etc.). They want to get rich off the back of the company (which eventually kills the company).

[car audio dave]

Well i just think that at this point in this country Unions have overstayed their purpose. Yes they helped create better work environments, competitive wages, and benefits, but now this is all established and we have an society where a company is boycotted for mistreating employees, all unions do now is hurt their employees and the businesses.

[Nighthawk243]

Well i just think that at this point in this country Unions have overstayed their purpose. Yes they helped create better work environments, competitive wages, and benefits, but now this is all established and we have an society where a company is boycotted for mistreating employees, all unions do now is hurt their employees and the businesses.

Agreed.

Personally, unless the work conditions dip back to unacceptable, I say disolve the unions.

[infernus]

Unions = communism

[04alyGT]

Agreed.

Personally, unless the work conditions dip back to unacceptable, I say disolve the unions.

Screw dissolving them, just deport them....revoke all of their citizenships
Seriously, how do you just wake up one day and say "Hey, my company is going bankrupt...I need more money"?

[03gt2nv]

boy o boy, you guys have no idea what you are talking about. i work for gm lordstown...have for 10 years, anyone who thinks my union is worthless is simply jealous of my job. you kids really need to spend a little more time reading the paper and watchng the news so you dont make yourself sound like complete fools. LMAO.....its your government that put these coorprations in the position that they are in. we pressured gm because we made hundreds of millions of dollars in consessions...so we wanted a commitment from gm to keep our jobs in the us and not slave wages in china or mexico. our union is still a powerhouse, it fights for a good lifestyle for my family... and the quality and productivity of the us plants is higher than ever, in fact my plant beats out toyota's big kentucky plant in ALL catagories. FYI toyota and honda employees make about 2-4 dollars less than i do per hour, but wages are only less than 10% of the total cost of the vechicle anyhow...

[b2089]

No sympathy for the union even after your empassioned speech. Any company that pays a man 15 dollars an hour to stand still and turn whatever bolts are put in front of him is not in a good position.

I'm all for keeping the jobs in the US, but those jobs are killing the company. If they could pay a person a fair but not union gouged wage to do the job in the US they wouldn't have moved so many to Canada and Mexico.

[5speed4]

No sympathy for the union even after your empassioned speech. Any company that pays a man 15 dollars an hour to stand still and turn whatever bolts are put in front of him is not in a good position.

I'm all for keeping the jobs in the US, but those jobs are killing the company. If they could pay a person a fair but not union gouged wage to do the job in the US they wouldn't have moved so many to Canada and Mexico.

$15 per hour? Actually, I think the lowest union wage is $24 per hour.

[5speed4]

boy o boy, you guys have no idea what you are talking about. i work for gm lordstown...have for 10 years, anyone who thinks my union is worthless is simply jealous of my job. you kids really need to spend a little more time reading the paper and watchng the news so you dont make yourself sound like complete fools. LMAO.....its your government that put these coorprations in the position that they are in. we pressured gm because we made hundreds of millions of dollars in consessions...so we wanted a commitment from gm to keep our jobs in the us and not slave wages in china or mexico. our union is still a powerhouse, it fights for a good lifestyle for my family... and the quality and productivity of the us plants is higher than ever, in fact my plant beats out toyota's big kentucky plant in ALL catagories. FYI toyota and honda employees make about 2-4 dollars less than i do per hour, but wages are only less than 10% of the total cost of the vechicle anyhow...

First of all, it's not just wages, but all the fantastic healthcare benefits, time-off, overtime-pay, holiday pay, job bank, etc. that cost the company. Second of all, that 10% really matters. GM already has to keep their prices lower than the imports just to make up for the (perceived) lack of reliability. Being able to lower their prices more would mean more sales...stronger company...better vehicles.

[infernus]

boy o boy, you guys have no idea what you are talking about. i work for gm lordstown...have for 10 years, anyone who thinks my union is worthless is simply jealous of my job. you kids really need to spend a little more time reading the paper and watchng the news so you dont make yourself sound like complete fools. LMAO.....its your government that put these coorprations in the position that they are in. we pressured gm because we made hundreds of millions of dollars in consessions...so we wanted a commitment from gm to keep our jobs in the us and not slave wages in china or mexico. our union is still a powerhouse, it fights for a good lifestyle for my family... and the quality and productivity of the us plants is higher than ever, in fact my plant beats out toyota's big kentucky plant in ALL catagories. FYI toyota and honda employees make about 2-4 dollars less than i do per hour, but wages are only less than 10% of the total cost of the vechicle anyhow...

But what about unions and their ponzi scheme pension plans?