Stock Vs. WAI...

[imstock]

I have always had WAI intakes on my cars, typically custom bent to get I near either the airdam or the radiator for fresh air. I always did it for two reasons, it allowed me to wash the filter instead of change it every 3000 miles, and it allowed the engine to breath easier (Cotton Vs Paper).

Being as this is an all new platform for me, I wanted to know how restrictive our intakes really are. Would is be more beneficial to do a budget WAI like I did on my other cars, or would a drop in K&N be more advantageous? I know a WAI intake wouldn't induct denser air then stock, which is why my personal debate is strictly based on air flow through the stock tubes.

Thanks for the advice in advance.

[TA^Guy]

To be honest, you are better with a K&N drop in than a WAI.

The tubing on a WAI will easily flow better, however any gain you may have will suffer due to the preheated air, especially in the summer months. Hey, atleast you'll get better fuel ecconomy in the cold months with a WAI.

[tjsoulsby]

i must agree^^^ I had a stage III CAI and now have a drop in K&N performance filter and i noticed a bigger gain with the drop in.

[bandit307]

i must agree^^^ I had a stage III CAI and now have a drop in K&N performance filter and i noticed a bigger gain with the drop in.

You know that is not what John said. He said you will not notice any gain with a WAI, Not a CAI. WAI sucks in air from the engine bay while CAI does not hence the names. He stated you would notice a bigger gain with the drop in over the WAI.

I dont understand why you bother TJ, every thread about CAI you have to try and prove a point. Just drop it man.

[imstock]

Would a CAI benefit me any more then a drop in K&N? I haven't paid much attention to our intake tubing, but I do know some is corrugated so...

[Matt95GT]

Would a CAI benefit me any more then a drop in K&N? I haven't paid much attention to our intake tubing, but I do know some is corrugated so...

Yes.

On both my first GA (94 3100) and 95 GT (Quad 4, when stock) I couldn't tell the difference between the stock filter and K&N drop-in. (All 94-98 stock airboxes are the same BTW, regardless of engine)

Being that you're in FL, I wouldn't recommend a WAI either. Choice for performance... CAI. If all you care about is the serviceability of the filter, the K&N drop-in will do.

[TA^Guy]

You know that is not what John said. He said you will not notice any gain with a WAI, Not a CAI. WAI sucks in air from the engine bay while CAI does not hence the names. He stated you would notice a bigger gain with the drop in over the WAI.
Correct, I said a drop in would be better than a WAI.

CAI > Drop In > WAI

Reading is fun'duh-mental.
Yes.

On both my first GA (94 3100) and 95 GT (Quad 4, when stock) I couldn't tell the difference between the stock filter and K&N drop-in. (All 94-98 stock airboxes are the same BTW, regardless of engine)

Being that you're in FL, I wouldn't recommend a WAI either. Choice for performance... CAI. If all you care about is the serviceability of the filter, the K&N drop-in will do.
Agree.

[tjsoulsby]

yea bandit, i realize he said warm air, i can read. what i was saying is i had a cold air(and you said is better) and i had better accel with the K&N performance drop in than the cold air. so obviously the drop in will be better than a warm air. and no, i was not trying to prove anything. last time i checked, this is am OPEN forum, it is used to express opinions. i have mine and you have yours.

[PontiacGT201]

now some people say you dont get a gain from a wai But I did on my car but a cai would do alot better. it up to how much you want to pay.

[Deggy Fresh]

to be honest with you, i went back to stock from CAI after i had my motor rebuilt, because the shop wouldnt warrenty the motor with the CAI on it. I honestly can't tell any difference in power, i can in sound but not power...for a CAI to be affective it should be combinded with some exaust work...otherwise i dont think there is a noticable gain, not saying there isn't a gain at all, but i dont think it would be noticable..

[llsht14]

theres some magnuson moss act saying that they cant just not warranty something because u want to mod it. unless they prove that it caused the problem

[imstock]

If you alter the engine in anyway after they release it to you, then they don't need to warranty anything which is why it's important to always be able to to go back to stock in a few hours.

I think I will do a DIY CAI sometime this winter, not just for the minute HP gain, but so the engine breaths easier. Hell, a K&N alone can net you 13% better MPG. I am somewhat biased though as my bro-in-law was their #1 rep in Central Florida two years in a row... lol...

[infernus]

Whats the difference between Fram Air Hog and K&N other than the name? They're about the same price...

[imstock]

There are, for the most part, two kinds of filter material. Cotton such as K&N and Paper such as the OEM filter. There are also steel mesh filters but those are for track applications only so I wouldn't bother looking into them. There are as many brands making cotton filters as there are making vehicles themselves, so you just have to do research before buying. Best thing about K&N is they are "rechargeable" meaning you can wash/rinse them off and reapply their protective oil coating instead of replacing the filter. Other brands (Fram included IIRC) are what they refer to as 'dry' filters, meaning they don't need re-oiled after being cleaned.

Make sense?

[lvemy3100]

If you alter the engine in anyway after they release it to you, then they don't need to warranty anything which is why it's important to always be able to to go back to stock in a few hours....



not quite...

http://www.ravelco.com/magnusonmossact.htm?b44d3a98

[imstock]

First, thats for the dealer warranty. Second, every warranty is going to have stipulations. I know as a FACT that if you modify your cars drivetrain the dealer/mechanic can void the warranty. I know this because the transmission in my best friends Ford Focus went to shit in the first year he owned it, he took it into the dealership and they blamed it on the after market clutch he had installed (lawyer was unable to do anything). They wouldn't even put it back together until he paid them to do so. He traded it in with the blown tranny for a minivan for work. I also know several mechanics in South Florida that void their warranty's with the installation of parts which were DIY (intakes, ebay chips, etc) including the shop that sponsored my old car club which I knew about because he would warranty it if he did the install too. The majority of mechanics have clauses in their warranty to protect them.

Now back to the topic at hand...

[infernus]

Buying a car brand new is pointless anyways, IMO.

[imstock]

Agree'ed. The car is worth $20k when you test drove it, but the first time it leaves the lot in someones name it depreciates at least 13%. But only for you, they could still resell it for almost the MSRP.

[TA^Guy]

Hell, a K&N alone can net you 13% better MPG.
That is complete, and utter BS.

Maybe 13% better fuel ecconomy over a nasty filthy paper filter, but other wise no one should expect to see ANY fuel ecconomy incress.

Yes it will flow easier than a paper element filter, however lets all remember the #1 important fact about internal combustion engines. More Air requires more fuel. With that said I would LOVE to see true testing of a new K&N vs a new paper filter to see both hp incress and fuel ecconomy.

I highly doubt you'll even see 1-2% incres in mpg let along 13%. Some people and companies love to uses unlogical theories to make rediculous claims and fool consumers into purchasing their products.
Whats the difference between Fram Air Hog and K&N other than the name? They're about the same price...
Major brands, basically nothing really. They all have their gimmicks that sell.
Car Craft did a entir AIr Filter shoot out years back, testing brands, sizes, ect and what it came do to was that they all were about the same and that size doesn't matter, infact some of the larger ones they use had less of a gain than others of the same brand.

[TA^Guy]

Buying a car brand new is pointless anyways, IMO.Not really.

We bought our GA brand new, said we'd never do it again. However after buying our Ford used we are ready to get rid of it and waste the money on a new car.

Buying a used car you never know who owned it before. You don't know how it was treated or cared for. You can do a car fax, but that might not show any smaller accidents that weren't reported to insurence companies or had a police report made.

I buy my motorcycles new because if someone mistreated it or didnt take good care of it, it's your life you are putting a price on.

With a new car you get the full warrenty, so if something does happen you can bring it back and have it covered. You also have the choice of any options avalible, colors, ect. You don't have to search for ever to find one with the options you want, in thr color you want, in decent condition, and hope the milage and price are right for you.

So if you have the money and luxury of being able to purchase a brand new car, there is alot of peice of mind that goes with it.

[infernus]

Yeah, but worrying about it getting scratched or breathed on wrong would drive me nuts.

[TA^Guy]

Yeah, but worrying about it getting scratched or breathed on wrong would drive me nuts.
Iscratch all my new vehicles right off the bat. Some place unnoticable, but then it gets all the pain of the 'first scratch' out of the way. But I know what you mean. Only 800 miles on our black GAGT and the broom fell off the handle at the car wash and I put a deep white 12" scratch across the hood.

Car wash paid for it to be repainted... twice.

My motorcycle was two weeks old when some jealous POS poured crap all over the front of it while it was parked at the mall.

People are dirtbags and shit happenes, life goes on I guess.

[infernus]

True that. I still can't keep myself from saying "AWWW WTF?!" every time I find a new one. :lol: