help installing a 4 channel

[jackpot]

at the moment I have (installed) alpine HU, r-type 6x9's, spx components, running from the monsoon amp

I have been waiting a while to install my "mrv f345" but there have been many delays, however with this recent discovery of the amp remaining on when my car is off, thus draining my battery, I want to do this fairly soon having to unplug the clip of wires from my amp everynight so that if I dont start my car in a day or so its not dead

Im wondering can I use the stock wires somehow that are already there to hook up to the new amp? would I have to cut that whole clip of wires and do the wires coming from the speakers originally in the monsoon system run to the amp or to the stereo then to the amp?

if that is possible and I dont have to run all new wire from all the speakers to the new amp what else is required, as far as I know i'll need some RCA wires, a remote turn on wire? and 4 gauge running from the battery (plan to use my top posts for the audio)

I'v heard I need a fuse on the POS wire between the battery and the amp? though I read in the manual not have fuses between the amp and battery on the POS, can anyone confirm and or what amp fuse id need for this

also is the monsoon power wires in that entire mass of wires in the clip and if so how to remove that from the source

thanks

peace
JP

[Blackhawk]

You want a fuse within 18 (12 is better) inches of the battery so you don't get an electrical fire with your wires. You may want to get new speaker wires just to make removing that wire bundle easier, just unhook it all, hook the speaker wires to the monsoon wires, and pull it thru. The wires should run from the HU to the amp and then to the speakers, but not sure how they have the wire routed in the monsoon.

Also, what size fuse does your amp have? You want that size or smaller in the wiring to protect the amp.

[jackpot]

thanks for the help

I just ripped out my HU its an alpine CDE-9846, there was a mess of wires behind it, hooked up to some sort of adapter that plugged into another connector into the back of the HU (boxy connector)

there was another black cord that I disconnector (power wire?) and besides that there is only two other output/input jacks in the back, one white one red, says SWR next to them, is one of those wires for a sub or both?

I have no idea if the mess of wires I disconnected goes to the amp and then there are other wires from the amp that go to the speakers? the mess of wires connected to the amp are all wrapped together.

First I have no idea why RCA's arnt running to the amp, suppose monsoon ones dont have that feature, second I have no idea where I would run RCA wires from the HU to my new amp, do I need some sort of connector piece for the HU?

If someone who had the monsoon system and did an upgrade could tell me if the wires from the HU go to the speakers then to the amp or if they go to the amp then to the speakers?

I suppose I should leave all those wires in there incase I want to put it back stock and sell it someday, would be crazy to put all those back, so now do I need all new wires from the speakers going to the truck or could I tap into some of the wires going to the monsoon amp and be able to put it back together if I had to?

also what should I do about the powerwire running to the monsoon amp if i want to leave the wires there, how would I disconnect that from being hot from the battery

thanks

peace
JP

['96GAGT]

I just ripped out my HU its an alpine CDE-9846, there was a mess of wires behind it, hooked up to some sort of adapter that plugged into another connector into the back of the HU (boxy connector)

there was another black cord that I disconnector (power wire?) and besides that there is only two other output/input jacks in the back, one white one red, says SWR next to them, is one of those wires for a sub or both?

I have no idea if the mess of wires I disconnected goes to the amp and then there are other wires from the amp that go to the speakers? the mess of wires connected to the amp are all wrapped together.

First I have no idea why RCA's arnt running to the amp, suppose monsoon ones dont have that feature, second I have no idea where I would run RCA wires from the HU to my new amp, do I need some sort of connector piece for the HU?

That is correct, the factory monsoon amp gets its signal through the regular wires running to it, what I would do is get a 16ft RCA cable and run that from the output jacks on the back of the HU to the new amp you installed, that way it's getting its signal from the HU. You have to run all new wiring for an aftermarket amp plain and simple, you can't use the stock wires for it, it's not big enough for that.

If someone who had the monsoon system and did an upgrade could tell me if the wires from the HU go to the speakers then to the amp or if they go to the amp then to the speakers?

They go from the HU to the AMP then they go to the speakers.

I suppose I should leave all those wires in there incase I want to put it back stock and sell it someday, would be crazy to put all those back, so now do I need all new wires from the speakers going to the truck or could I tap into some of the wires going to the monsoon amp and be able to put it back together if I had to?

Leave the existing ones there and run new wires to the speakers in the car, so that you can reinstall the old wiring if you decided to remove it or sell it.

also what should I do about the powerwire running to the monsoon amp if i want to leave the wires there, how would I disconnect that from being hot from the battery

It should just be a plug. Just unplug it and use leave it there, if its not plugged in it's not going to suck power. Just run new wires to your speakers and leave the existing ones there. Make sure you cap them off so they don't touch each other and short out.

thanks

peace
JP

[jackpot]

hey man, thanks a lot for answering them like that, really helps out a lot

ok so im going to run all new wire, am going to rip apart my door panels today and try to get wire going back to the trunk from the front components

now I only have a few questions about hooking up the new amp to my alpine HU (as stated CDE-9836
there is only two plugs in the back (white and red), the black powerwire and an area for a connector that I unplugged (says ontop of the HU where each pin goes to each speaker)
since im not going to be having an individual wire for each speaker and am going to run RCA wires, where do the RCA wires connect to on the back of the HU (I suppose its 3 wires though I could be wrong, is it just one wire that the RCA consists of?)

do I have to buy an adapter piece that connects into that pin connector deal or do I use the red/white outputs?

also where does the remote turn on wire connect to on the HU, to one of the pins in the mess of them?

I also have another amp and sub I want to hook up sometime after I get my 4 channel installed, is there any room on my HU for two amps or do I have to somehow then connect both my amps with only one RCA wire running?

thanks bundles and bundles

peace
JP

[jackpot]

man this monsoon setup is a joke lol argh im learning first hand personally about that mistake GM made, what a mess of wires

i have my passenger door panel off and im going to leave it like that for insentive to make myself get this done

peace
JP

['96GAGT]

hey man, thanks a lot for answering them like that, really helps out a lot

ok so im going to run all new wire, am going to rip apart my door panels today and try to get wire going back to the trunk from the front components

Dont draw power away from the components run the wires seperately to the back UNLESS it's a part of the component set. Other wise don't split the power from it

now I only have a few questions about hooking up the new amp to my alpine HU (as stated CDE-9836
there is only two plugs in the back (white and red), the black powerwire and an area for a connector that I unplugged (says ontop of the HU where each pin goes to each speaker)
since im not going to be having an individual wire for each speaker and am going to run RCA wires, where do the RCA wires connect to on the back of the HU (I suppose its 3 wires though I could be wrong, is it just one wire that the RCA consists of?)

What you want to do is go to any place that sells RCA cables, tell them it's for car audio or go to an audio seller and they will know what you need. It's going to be one cable that has two ends on each of it they are normally red and white this is for the left and right input on the amplifier, if your amplifier only has a single plug input then youll need a downsizing splitter. which goes from two to one as far as a connection goes. Don't forget that you need to run a remote wire from your headunit to your remote turn on, on the amp so it knows when to turn on, if your new to this, you may want to have someone who knows what they're doing help you out. Audio shops dont charge for information. Just the work :lol:

do I have to buy an adapter piece that connects into that pin connector deal or do I use the red/white outputs?

What do you mean?

also where does the remote turn on wire connect to on the HU, to one of the pins in the mess of them?

If you have the owners manual/installation manual it will tell you which color wire it is, it's usually blue and it will say remote on it.

I also have another amp and sub I want to hook up sometime after I get my 4 channel installed, is there any room on my HU for two amps or do I have to somehow then connect both my amps with only one RCA wire running?

If this amp your installing is going in the trunk it's not hard to add another amp, all you need to do is get a distritbution block and all that does is split up all your connections in 2, 3 or 4 ways. so your good there.

thanks bundles and bundles

peace
JP[/QUOTE]

['96GAGT]

man this monsoon setup is a joke lol argh im learning first hand personally about that mistake GM made, what a mess of wires

i have my passenger door panel off and im going to leave it like that for insentive to make myself get this done

peace
JP

It really isn't a joke from GM, they designed this with a premium audio listener in mind. It's got a bit of small punch to it. I guess it was ment to satisfy some folk and detour them from installing after market sound?

[tubpub11]

The deck you have only has 1 set of pre-outs. you are going to have to split it since the 4 channel amp should have 2 sets of inputs (front and rear) you are going to lose your fader. You will need 2 sets of RCA cables. and no you don't have a sub pre-out on that deck. if you want to make it a bit easier and not loose your fader I would suggest getting a deck that has 3 sets of pre-outs. (front, rear, sub) but if you don't mind losing the fader then your deck will do fine.

[jackpot]

well then

I have another amp for the sub pdx 1.600, there isnt anyway to connect that amp to the v-12 amp when I hook it up eh? I need another pre-out just for the sub amp then on my HU? I suppose that RCA would only be one wire?

I was contemplating getting a new HU but since im not hooking up my sub right now and just the 4 channel I think ill wait until I hook up the sub/amp to get a new one and will have to make do with no fader for now

how do I have to "split" the RCA wire for the amp to use my current HU, get another two connector pieces and split POS and NEG and put them to each of the front/rear terminals?

and to 96GAGT I was planning on running wires from each component pair in each door to the trunk making two wires, one for each speaker, but thanks for making sure lol

the other problem I have with my HU is im not sure how to have it hooked up to power, attena etc, at the moment there is a wire plug clip that plugs in the back that has an adapter piece connected to the stock wiring kit, can I just leave that plugged in the back of the HU as it was, though with the wires diconnected to the speakers and monsono amp, will that be ok to have plugged in and will it power the HU as it did previously?

peace
JP

['96GAGT]

ok was just making sure.

[jackpot]

what wire do I need to use for the remote turn-on?

can I use a 16 guage speaker wire, as far as I can see there is one wire that goes to the amp and it splits to two wires going to the HU?

peace
JP

[tubpub11]

For the remote wire I usually just use 18-20 awg and it's just a single wire from the deck to the amp. if you look in the deck manual it will give the the color you are looking for. usually its the blue or blue with white line.

Here is the rca Y adapter (splitter) I was talking about earlier http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=3371474
you will need 2. One for the white plug and a second one for the red plug.

Do you have the proper wiring harness?? Amost sounds like you are trying to splice into the factory one.

[jackpot]

im pretty sure im getting to know what I have to do lol I really really appreciate your guys patient and help, it really means a lot

I do have the proper harness and this is where my confusion comes into play, currently the alpine harness is spliced into the factory one as it was working with the monsoon system

I suppose im going to have to disconnect each wire and reconnect only a few of them with the new remote wire, that pretty much right?

I had only thought the remote wire turned into two at the HU because in the manual it shows the wire as having two ends split somehow at the HU

I ran all the wires tonight, in the rain, under a carport, got all the new wires for the front components through the rubber door pipes, what a beech, ran the drivers side across the front and back down the passenger side underneath the plastic door gaurd piece I popped off

Though its annoying and frustrating cause I want it done its also really cool ripping the car part this much and knowing how it all works aswell learning about the audio

peace
JP

[jackpot]

well its almost done...

have all my speaker/rca wires running down my passenger side and the power wire on the other, cant see anything..sweet lol, getting through the firewall was a little tricky, pushed my way underneath a rubber fitting for other wires, fishing the wire from the hood was the hard part.

I should have my amp installed tommorow, got everything done today except really hook up the wires to the amp and reinstall the HU

my only question is I ran only one set of RCA wires and bought the Y adapters that split 1 into 2, this should work the same as running two from the amp and splitting to one at the HU?

realizing I loose my fader and will have to run another set when I get a new HU, but when I do I plan to get one with 3 pre-outs and hook my sub and other amp up then while buying a set of RCA wires with 4 ends

will that be ok?

thanks, will post pics when I get it done

peace
JP

[Blackhawk]

Probably the easiest grommet to use is the lower ignition harness, just take a knife and cut a small X into it, run the wire thru, if you slide your underhood fuse box forward then you have a straight shot to the wiring.
The RCA question sounds like it should work, tho it may be easier to just run two RCA sets later on instead of one with four connections.

[jackpot]

will drilling a hole on the side of the trunk behind the carpet, sanding it to bare and attaching my ground wire to that be a good connection?

and blackhawk i meant i'll run 4 rca wires later, 2 sets, same, but they have wires that are 2 sets together, same thing really lol

thanks

peace
JP

[Blackhawk]

Two doors are extremely easy to get to the rear seatbelt bolts on, try that, it'll take a torx bit.

[jackpot]

hey guys

ok, well, its installed, all 4 speakers make sound but very little sound, at this point the factory monsoon was louder lol

i couldnt get that corner cushion piece out to get to the seatbelt bolt so i drilled a hole into the piece of metal that holds the seats on, seems like a good ground.

as well as not having fader control, when i have my balance set in the middle or all the way right all the speakers work, when i put my balance all the way to the left i get no sound

do you think its something to do with my HU conflicting with the amp, I read about turning power off for when an external device is present to give more power to that, does anyone know whats that about

so my problem is, have sound at the speakers but very little, even when my HU is cranked

peace
JP

[Blackhawk]

The middle seatbelt bolts are easy to go to, they're obvious just under the flap or carpet, no removal of anything necessary. What settings do you have on the amp and HU?

[jackpot]

auh the middle seatbelt bolt lol I was trying to get at the passenger side corner one, o well I drilled a hole into the passenger side metal bracket, the amp powers on and as I said it seems like a good ground

ok so the issue, iv played around a little with the gains, got the volume a little louder but no where near as loud as I would think it should be, considering the monsoon when running was louder.

on the HU I have bass, trebel, sub, balance, fader and default

on the amp I have front/rear gain settings, front/rear filter LP/HP and crossover I believe though that maybe built in

I dont know why its not getting the power it should, im almost posative I have the right POS and NEG hookups to the speakers, if it wasnt would it not work at all, give shitty sound or low sound

when the volume on my HU is set at 30 its like it was set at 15 with the previous setup

peace
JP

[jackpot]

ok woa guys I just figured something out

I found out I had my RCA wires put in wrong in the amp but also I found you dont need to use Y adapters at all for this amp, you can set the input channel to 1/2 and it does it on its own for HU with only one pre out

second I found where all my volume is, its in the sub setting on my HU, I was trying to figure out how to turn off the sub output and or turn off the interal amp on the HU and I cranked the sub setting to max and there was all my volume

do you know how to turn that setting off so I have all my power?

peace
JP

[Blackhawk]

So you have it hooked up in the sub preouts on the HU? How many sets does the HU have?

[jackpot]

the HU has only one set of pre-outs which is why I had thought I was going to have to use Y adapters into the amp as another member had sugested but I had found out Y adapters are not required for this amp when running from a HU with one pre out

so yes, my HU has one set of pre outs and for some reason the sub setting adjusts the volume as well as the volume setting does

I believe there is someway to turn off the sub setting on the HU and or to turn off the internal amp in the HU but I dont know how

peace
JP

[Blackhawk]

There may be a sub setting with two modes: independent or adjust to main volume. Both change with the volume but independent does it slightly less.
Why do you want to turn the internal amp off?

[Ralph]

I just looked up you headunit I see it only has one set of pre-outs when setting up a 4-channel you normally have at least 2 sets normally 3. 4 will be for the 4-channel amp and 1 will be for a mono. What you are doing right now is just spliting a mono signal 4 ways. Think of it this way it is seeing your speakers as subs right now and with subs you can adjust the volume by the sub control and also by normal volume. Normal speakers should not get effected by this.

[jackpot]

i want to turn the internal amp on the HU off because its not powering anything

I have a red and a white output from the HU or one set of RCA

I have fixed my balance problem but as I knew I dont have fader controls, there are left and right outputs coming from the HU just not front/rear

so yes I agree for some reason my HU see's the output as for a sub but its not its hooked to my 4 channel, I know the HU can work this way I just dont know how to change it from sub output

peace
JP

[Blackhawk]

I think it'll stay the sub output no matter what you do, most HUs are designed so that you can run subs, the other preouts are extras. I'd just turn off any filters associated with the sub and use the amp for those.
idk about your HU but my Alpine has a feature called "Power lc", when turned off it removes power to any channels that aren't running thru the preamps.

[jackpot]

yes aparently my HU has this power IC, how do you turn it on or off?

still though I turned the sub setting all the way up and put the gain on the amp at 2v, its ok but its not as loud as it was before, I turn the volt down and ya the volume goes up but with distortion, should the volt on the gain match the HU, such as 2v?

I really hope I can get this to pound, even the bass isnt as good, I know its prob cause of the way its configed but damn

peace
JP

[Ralph]

thats because you are only getting a mono signal out of the head unit. Those RCA jacks are created for subs. This is a lower end alpine so I'm pretty sure it cannot be changed. I just took a look at my alpine 9855 and im not seeing a way to turn the Sub rcas into speaker

[jackpot]

alright well i knew i needed a new HU but thats hurtin, do you think it would be louder if the RCA output from the HU was coming from one specific to 4channels

is it damaging to set my gain volt lower than 2v, and what hz should the other gain be set at

r type 6x9 in back, spx components in front

peace
JP

[Ralph]

honestly I try to play with the gain as little as possible since it can be harmful. It is up to you to play with it or not. Just remember gain and volume are not the same thing.

[pentavolvo]

on the alpine you can set it so that it isnt a sub out and just a regular preout so it wont have the sub adjust and u can turn the internal amp off

Press and hold the mute button it shoudl take u to setup then either use arrows or spin knob to scroll through and push band i believe or the play/pause button to turn options on and off

Also turn the radio up to 75-80% adn then set gain on amps so that its just about to distort

[jackpot]

cool thanks man, thats what i needed to know, hold mute, who da thought lol

the gain im a little confused about, such as there is volt setting and hertz setting, do you know the certain hertz i should have if i have r-type 6x9 in back and spx components in front, at the moment i have 40hz for the back and 60hz for the front, does that sound about right?

as for the volt i have it set at 2v right now, is that what you talk about to increase until it distorts? cause that is the only setting that seems to distort if screwed with

i plan to get a new HU soon, in playing around with it iv gotten it to go louder than it was before, still not as loud as when the factory monsoon was installed though, strange i think, bass isnt as strong though the music is a lot cleaner and crisper

peace
JP

[Blackhawk]

Are the hertz set as high pass filters or low pass filters? You increase the gains on the amp until it distorts when at about 3/4 volume, the amp should say gain. The bass you may be missing could actually be muddiness and distortion.

[jackpot]

the hertz on the front components are currently set as HP and the rear 6x9 are set to off, how does that sound lol

little confused, front x types are 40hz-40khz and those are set at 40hz

the rear r-type 6x9 are 60hz-27khz and i have the hertz set for those at 60hz

is that what they should be at or im not sure

i increased, or decreased however you look at it, the volt at 75% until just before it distortes, if i have them way before they distort its a little clearer but no where near as loud

as well at the moment i believe i only have mono signals going to all speakers as i have no fader, maybe when i get a new HU and it has full stereo signals the rear speakers might have more bass?

peace
JP