Any ideas for 6x9" speakers ?

[jean-seb]

Hi guys and gals !
I'm looking to replace my rear speakers by some good ones. What are the brands you like and trust ?

My system is basic and I want to keep it that way;
- Pioneer DEH-2800MP head unit
- Sony Xplod 4x6" 2-way in the doors
- Sony Xplod 6x9" 3-way on the rear deck (one of them is going bad)

I do not want to go the amp/sub route, and they don't have to be 3-way. I just want them to be able to handle lots of bass on their own. And the budget is about 150-200$cdn.

Anyway, thanks in advance !
J-S

[MXculture]

ur never gonna get deep bass with just speakers, they arent a sealed unit...and lots of bass with just speakers sounds like shit...there are some speakers that output more bass then others...i dont know them, im more of a speakers with nothing but sound and no bass...with all the bass at in the sub at the back...thats how you get good sound...but.....to my experiances, base with door 6x9 and 4x6 just sounds like shit...they're made for sound, not bass...and with that budget...any speaker you plan on getting wont give you want you want...good speakers range from 200 to 350...200$ will get you a not bad brand. Phoenix Gold are pretty good, Alpine type R components are my speakers of choice....Infinity arent too bad either...they make good speakers but i dislike their subs...but the alpine and pheonix gold ur looking at 250+$ for a set of two..alpine type S...still good, 1 step down from the type R...and a lil easier on the wallet...but without a sub..ull never get hard bass...it might shake ur mirror a little bit..but newer car systems do that also...like i said, speakers are made for sounds, subs are made for bass...use your 200$ budget, and go to your local hawk shop and u can get urself 2 subs in a box and an amp for like 200-250$...and most of the shit there isnt crap...its usually pretty good

I hawked my subs when i lost my job, 2 alpine type s in a bassworks dual ported box with an alpine v12 1200Watt amp, they gave me 175$ and my friend baught it for 225$...and they were like a year old...thats just pretty well broken in...ull come across better deals with alot better hard hitting hardware...so check it out man.

[jean-seb]

Thanks man ! I know that my basic set-up isn't the best. My sister has a 10" sub and a 200w amp and man it made my system sound like crap. But I prefer speed, so that's why I don't want to carry too much extra weight. So I think that the option I have is to increase my budget for a good pair of 6x9s and not expect too much bass then.

Now I have brands and models I can look for next time I go shopping and I thank you for that !

I'll let you know what I decide to go with.

J-S

[Jordon'sGrandAm]

Ive got pioneer all the way arround in my car i like it.
Now if you want top brand in your car go eclipse thats the best out there from what i know.

[daxx]

... But I prefer speed, so that's why I don't want to carry too much extra weight. So I think that the option I have is to increase my budget for a good pair of 6x9s and not expect too much bass then...

Whatever 6x9's you get, if you add an amp I think you'd be surprised just how much bass you can get out of them. I'm thinking of something with 3-4 times the power of your deck and a low-pass filter at 150Hz or less.

[Jibo]

ur never gonna get deep bass with just speakers


YOU would be surprised what amping the speakers will do for Bass, sure you are not going to be winning any competitions, but for most people it will be enough bass.

I originally had my speakers all running off of the deck, and a 10 inch sub in a sealed box in the trunk. That was ripped off. I replaced it with a 4 channel Amp for my speaker's instead, and I must say I am impressed with the sound clarity now. Definitely will not be winning any awards with my system but the clarity is about 10x better now. Enough Bass to suit my needs as well.

[MXculture]

Whatever 6x9's you get, if you add an amp I think you'd be surprised just how much bass you can get out of them. I'm thinking of something with 3-4 times the power of your deck and a low-pass filter at 150Hz or less.

I do agree with this...and with Jibo aswell...amping your speakers does alot...but still with only certain songs will the base actually sound clean...unless you have better speakers and by that i mean a bigger budget...i was also refering what i said to the budget...if youre gonna get an amp for pretty hard base in your speaker unless you upgrade...all i meant

[jean-seb]

Thanks guys for the replies !
I was looking at some Pioneer amps, would the 2-channel 300W amp work ok to power just the back speakers ? It's about three times more powerful than the deck's amps. I like the size too.

Anyway, if you check my GA's second page on cardomain, it shows that my car is soundproofed from the windshield to the tailights...and that makes an enormous difference in clarity.

Thanks,
J-S

[jean-seb]

Hey MXCulture,
After a bit of research on GAOC, I found a website, woofersetc.com. They sell the Alpine Type-R 6x9 for 120$. Cheaper than I thought. They sell the Phoenix Gold for 55$ ! Am I hallucinating ?

I think I know where I'm getting my audio stuff now.

J-S

[Matt95GT]

My advice would be not to waste a lot of money on 6x9's. While I agree that amping speakers makes a difference, it is not advisable to amp the rear fill speakers. I made this mistake in my first system... amped some aftermarket rear 6x9's hoping to get more bass out of them. While it helped, I still wasn't satisfied with the bass output, and it killed the stereo imaging of the front because the rear was overpowering. I learned that lesson the hard way. If you want bass, get a sub.

In my current stereo config, I simply purchased the cheapest 6x9's offered from MB Quart (Discus series IIRC) to go with the component set I focused my effort on up front. The rear 6x9's are run directly off the headunit, being the only speakers not amped. I have them faded down so they don't interfere with the front sound stage. (in fact, some people don't have rear speakers at all when going for SQ)

[Metallman56]

so you want 6x9s that have good bass cause your not getting a sub. well first of all as others have said in there, your not going to get much bass outta anything without an amp. you dont need a big amp, just one thats about 100x2. also that small of a amp will be cheap, which is good.

As far as 6x9s with bass, there are not a lot. however there are some. i personally think the best bass 6x9's i've ever heard are the Pioneer Rev's. you can find those here.
http://www.onlinecarstereo.com/CarAudio/ProductDetail.aspx?ProductID=14550

the biggest problem is getting these to fit, cause there big. heres link to for size.
http://www.dabearz.com/forums/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=1853

also you might want to consider a shallow mount woofer. low weight, low space, and good sound.
http://www.woofersetc.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.display&Product_ID=5802

[GregFarz78]

Don't amp 6x9s it sounds horrible and drowns out your front stage, get cheap rear speakers just for rear fill and a decent set of components with a small amp 100x2 will be plenty

[Metallman56]

not if you want bass. which he does

[350F]

I'm not a car audio expert, but I like to think I am somewhat knowledgeable. I have a Panasonic HU, and have these Infinity 6x9s in the rear. (damn they have dropped in price)

http://www.crutchfield.com/App/Product/Item/Main.aspx?g=52300&i=1089613I&tp=91

And I'm running them off of this amp. Once again, I'm no expert but they "bump" pretty good and sound great.
http://www.crutchfield.com/App/Product/Item/Main.aspx?g=120&i=130GM5300T&tp=115

[daxx]

Don't amp 6x9s it sounds horrible and drowns out your front stage

Low pass filters are your friend. :)

A simple way to make the stock "premium" or Monsoon systems sound better is to disconnect the rear "tweeter" components of the 6x9's, so you only get mid-high from the front. I've been living with this until I can source my first choice of 6x9's - Kef Kar 690Q (http://www.pbase.com/bamajohn/kef690q) - that'll match the pair of Kef Kar 160Q's I have already for the doors.

[jean-seb]

Thanks for the replies everyone,

With all your suggestions, I now lean towards cheap 6x9s with maybe a shallow mount sub with a matching enclosure;truck enclosure (http://www.woofersetc.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.display&Product_ID=3531).

Anyway, I'll see when I get there.

[jean-seb]

so you want 6x9s that have good bass cause your not getting a sub. well first of all as others have said in there, your not going to get much bass outta anything without an amp. you dont need a big amp, just one thats about 100x2. also that small of a amp will be cheap, which is good.

As far as 6x9s with bass, there are not a lot. however there are some. i personally think the best bass 6x9's i've ever heard are the Pioneer Rev's. you can find those here.
http://www.onlinecarstereo.com/CarAudio/ProductDetail.aspx?ProductID=14550

the biggest problem is getting these to fit, cause there big. heres link to for size.
http://www.dabearz.com/forums/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=1853

also you might want to consider a shallow mount woofer. low weight, low space, and good sound.
http://www.woofersetc.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.display&Product_ID=5802

Thanks man ! I like that shallow mount sub, that would be a good compromise for me. The 10" version is even better (1000W too). How small of an amp could I use with it ? Anything as long as the rating is not higher ?

Thanks again,
J-S
p.s. you have a wicked system in your car !

[Metallman56]

all you need is a 250 watt amp @ 4ohms. which is really small for a woofer. this Alpine amp would work perfect.

http://www.woofersetc.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.display&Product_ID=3732

cheap, its small, and it doesnt take huge wire.

thanks for the compliment on my system. :)

[Shad0wguy]

Hey, if your interested I have a pair of Pioneer 4-way 6x9's that I pulled from my GA that was totalled.

They sounded great and I can get you the model number if you want.

PM me if your interested.

[Ryan625]

You guys talk about amping the speakers...how would you go about doing. What would you need and how much would it cost.

[Spl170s]

i know your wanting 6X9's to fill the void and get some more bass...but seriously, just pick up a decent 8" sub if your worried about weight and buy a cheap prefab box and a 100X1 amp to run it off of. Believe me, you won't be adding weight to your "race car". You will gain more out of a $100-150 tops investment of a cheap sub arrangement in the trunk then you will ever get out of a set of 6X9's. Leave the 6X9 opening with nothing in it to let the sub "breathe" into the car. You won't be disappointed. Its not that hard to do either. Sure you won't shake your neighbors house per-say....but it will sound good inside. and it's obvious your not a bass head by any means.

In any stereo setup you should always focus your soundstage up front. as in, focus on a good set of front speakers on a dedicated amp. Leave the bass to the sub, that is what their made for. You won't ever be satisfied with a 6X9 no matter how much power you put to it.

Put it this way....ever heard a sub placed in a box waaaaay to big for it?? your 6X9's are just setting in the rear deck...basically free air. You will never get the bass you want out of that. put 100 watts to them...sure they will sound louder, basically move more and with that you will destroy them.

Take my advice for what its worth. But even a small 8" sub.....will surprise you setup right.

[daxx]

Put it this way....ever heard a sub placed in a box waaaaay to big for it?? your 6X9's are just setting in the rear deck...basically free air. You will never get the bass you want out of that. put 100 watts to them...sure they will sound louder, basically move more and with that you will destroy them.

An aperiodic membrane (http://audiogearreviews.com/tech/theory/enclosure_design/aperiodic_membrane.asp) negates the need for a full enclosure while saving both trunk space and weight, and with some experimentation can sound as good as a full enclosure.

Disclaimer... I'm into this audio-geekery as I can't give up trunk space for a sub box, no matter how good it may sound.

[Spl170s]

Got me there..haha I figured someone would trump me on my comments.

Looking at this setup in this situation, with no disrespect to the car owner posting this, but i don't think he is into stereo setups as much as some may be. So, i was keeping things as simple as i could.

BUT, i should say this also. A person could...if they wanted to be creative about this with some time pickup a set of small 6X9 enclosures and mount them up underneath the rear deck for the 6X9 to use. It could be done and would be helpful to the speaker i would like to think. then try amping it. just another thought.

[Spl170s]

Got me there..haha I figured someone would trump me on my comments.

Looking at this setup in this situation, with no disrespect to the car owner posting this, but i don't think he is into stereo setups as much as some may be. So, i was keeping things as simple as i could.

BUT, i should say this also. A person could...if they wanted to be creative about this with some time pickup a set of small 6X9 enclosures and mount them up underneath the rear deck for the 6X9 to use. It could be done and would be helpful to the speaker i would like to think. then try amping it. just another thought.

[jean-seb]

Spl170s; you're right ! I'm not into wild stereo set-ups as much as some people are (no harm done :D ). And I do want to keep it simple.

About the sub-only set-up, I'm not a fan of that, as I feel that when the 6x9s holes are covered on the rear deck, the noise from the rear tires and the fuel pump is almost absent, which I like.

As for the 6x9 enclosures, I already gave it a thought, and it could be an interesting option for me, but they would have to have the correct shape so they don't stick out too much in the trunk. And this wouldn't be first on my mods' to-do list for my car.

When I find a wad of bills on the sidewalk, I will invest in a good set of 5.25" component speakers and tweeters for the front.

Thanks again for your suggestions.